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VIEW THE FULL VERSION : Proposal: Van/NYI and Van/Dal
kushh 01-04-2012, 05:26 PM Schneider, Alberts, NYI 4th
for
Nabokov, Reasoner, NYI 1st
A steep price to pay but Isles finally get a reliable horse. They dont really need another high draft pick they need to start winning. A Schneider/Montoya pairing would be very solid for a long time...maybe Ricky could be an assistant GM or something. Alberts is signed through next year so UFA's can be dealt if needed.
Canucks have been after Reasoner before and he's having a rough year on a bad team. A Malhotra-Reasoner-Lapierre 4th line would be awesome in Van. Nabokov is super cheap, and is a veteran to push Lou who would like a chance to win a cup. Getting a high pick likely allows the Canucks to pick one of the better defenseman or swedish forwards available..
Ballard and Schroeder
for
Robidas and Grossman
Dallas gets rid of a logjam on defense and gets a center prospect they're fairly short on. They get rid of 2 NHL contracts to just one, and get a former 1st rounder for a pending UFA. Gogo, Ballard, Souray, Daley, Fistric, Larsson, Pardy and Bann is a very underated defense still. Schroeder gets a chance to be a offensive player and teams with Glennie for now to get them both on track.
Canucks gets a solid veteran dman Coach V can count on. A little older with with a wealth of experience and signed at a reasonable rate. Adding him and Reasoner at age 34 gives us some veteran incentive other than Salo. Grossman is the real prize as he'd be the perfect compliment to Edler for many years to come, and can likely be signed at a reasonable rate as well.
All in all Canucks get Robidas and Grossman for Ballard and Alberts...Reasoner for Schroeder, Nabokov for Schneider, and a top pick for the 4th we got for free.
Ebbett and Sulzer get waived for Reasoner's spot, Ebbett replaces Schroeder in Chicago and is a perfect guy to callup in the playoffs as an extra forward.
Sedin, Sedin, Burrows
Booth, Kesler, Higgins
Raymond, Hodgson, Hansen
Malhotra, Reasoner, Lapierre
Weise, Bitz
Edler, Grossman
Hamhuis, Bieksa
Robidas, Salo
Rome
Luongo
Nabokov
As of today, Canucks would get the 4th overall and 27th. NYI with Schneider should win a few more games, but still likely around top 10.
Hockify 01-04-2012, 05:31 PM Besides Nabokov the Islanders have Montoya and Poulin and Koskinen and Nilsson and DiPietro under contract, they don't seem to need any more goalies back in any trade for Nabokov.
Noreaster96 01-04-2012, 05:32 PM Schneider, Alberts, NYI 4th
for
Nabokov, Reasoner, NYI 1st
A steep price to pay but Isles finally get a reliable horse. They dont really need another high draft pick they need to start winning. A Schneider/Montoya pairing would be very solid for a long time...maybe Ricky could be an assistant GM or something. Alberts is signed through next year so UFA's can be dealt if needed.
Canucks have been after Reasoner before and he's having a rough year on a bad team. A Malhotra-Reasoner-Lapierre 4th line would be awesome in Van. Nabokov is super cheap, and is a veteran to push Lou who would like a chance to win a cup. Getting a high pick likely allows the Canucks to pick one of the better defenseman or swedish forwards available..
Ballard and Schroeder
for
Robidas and Grossman
Dallas gets rid of a logjam on defense and gets a center prospect they're fairly short on. They get rid of 2 NHL contracts to just one, and get a former 1st rounder for a pending UFA. Gogo, Ballard, Souray, Daley, Fistric, Larsson, Pardy and Bann is a very underated defense still. Schroeder gets a chance to be a offensive player and teams with Glennie for now to get them both on track.
Canucks gets a solid veteran dman Coach V can count on. A little older with with a wealth of experience and signed at a reasonable rate. Adding him and Reasoner at age 34 gives us some veteran incentive other than Salo. Grossman is the real prize as he'd be the perfect compliment to Edler for many years to come, and can likely be signed at a reasonable rate as well.
All in all Canucks get Robidas and Grossman for Ballard and Alberts...Reasoner for Schroeder, Nabokov for Schneider, and a top pick for the 4th we got for free.
Ebbett and Sulzer get waived for Reasoner's spot, Ebbett replaces Schroeder in Chicago and is a perfect guy to callup in the playoffs as an extra forward.
Sedin, Sedin, Burrows
Booth, Kesler, Higgins
Raymond, Hodgson, Hansen
Malhotra, Reasoner, Lapierre
Weise, Bitz
Edler, Grossman
Hamhuis, Bieksa
Robidas, Salo
Rome
Luongo
Nabokov
As of today, Canucks would get the 4th overall and 27th. NYI with Schneider should win a few more games, but still likely around top 10.
Isles don't need young goalies, I think theyre more than happy to have Poulin and Nilsson while keeping the what is more than likely to be a high first. Also, do the Canucks have our 4th this year? They might, but I wouldnt remember anyway
Laterade 01-04-2012, 05:34 PM Thats a gross trade for grossman
:sarcasm:
SLAPSHOT723 01-04-2012, 05:35 PM That's a terrible move for the Islanders. Why would we want Schneider when we have Montoya (who's really just as good), Poulin, and Nilsson? And we give up our 1st, which can be top-10? No thanks.
Frozen Failure 01-04-2012, 05:42 PM Dallas would definitely pass on that. I think they'd prefer to keep Grossman, and Robidas for Ballard doesn't seem like a move anyone would make.
WangMustGo 01-04-2012, 05:50 PM Noway from the Islanders. Schneider is great, but we have very good goalie prospects. Poulin and Nilssen could both become NHL starters in the future.
y2kcanucks 01-04-2012, 06:00 PM Canucks say no way to these deals.
PWJunior 01-04-2012, 06:36 PM It's funny how many trade proposals always include the Isles 1st round pick. Lottery picks are not given up easily so unless a true stud is coming to the Isles, then don't bother.
kasper11 01-04-2012, 06:48 PM Yes, lets trade a top-5 pick for a goalie who is a UFA after next season. Great idea.
Sneekypete 01-04-2012, 07:05 PM I hope u were kidding with the Islander trade.......
Cogburn 01-04-2012, 07:27 PM The Islanders trade would be about what I'd want for Schneider....they just don't think they need him (Montoya isn't "about as good" as Schneider, I'm not saying you should move your first and Nabokov for an upgrade though). In that case, it's an overpayment if they don't think they need Schneider, they don't think they do, awesome...the 1st being a top 10 pick is not the price you pay for what you believe is a spare part. That trade needs an overhaul, and I don't think we (Vancouver) will surrender what the Islanders want for a pick that high.
Then again, it's Wang's team, and I don't think he really cares how many goalies he has, he'd probably want Snow to sign as many as he can.
As for the Dallas trade, I'd do it. I disagree with Frozen Failure on the point that no one would or should trade for Ballard. He has finally adapted to a system that is tough on defenders to learn and is finally playing....well, well. I don't expect fans of teams to be offering top players for him, look how many trade offers started with him in it as "cap dump" from Canucks fans, but we made a huge investment in him, and GM's are more likely to remember how he used to play, a decent defense partner, or a team that gave him as many minutes as he could handle in Florida and Phoenix. Would I trade Grossman or Robidias for him straight across? Not if I'm Dallas, but Schroeder doesn't get much respect around here, and I wouldn't trade him straight across for either defender coming our way....so....split the difference? I think a pick or player of some manor would have to go Dallas' way as well, but I haven't the foggiest as to what they're needs are.
kushh 01-04-2012, 07:28 PM It's funny how many trade proposals always include the Isles 1st round pick. Lottery picks are not given up easily so unless a true stud is coming to the Isles, then don't bother.
Yes, lets trade a top-5 pick for a goalie who is a UFA after next season. Great idea.
I hope u were kidding with the Islander trade.......
Noway from the Islanders. Schneider is great, but we have very good goalie prospects. Poulin and Nilssen could both become NHL starters in the future.
Dipietro, Montoya, Nabakov, Poulin, Koskinen Nilsson and Rosen is the most ragtag bunch of goalers you could piece together.
As a Canuck fan this is dreaded goalie graveyard calibre.
Looking at it, I feel the pain from our very own Garth Snow days.
The huge shoulder pads. The 3 headed Garth Snow, Kevin Weekes, some other bum combo...
Remember when we traded Weekes for Potvin? Potvin/Snow..what a combo!
Thats what the Isles are right now.
Every team can claim their goalies in the wing are the future.
Those players still need to develop.
Cory Schneider is ready.
He's a RFA conveniently so you get to work out the deal yourself.
Kinda like when we aquired Lou.
The whole Dipietro situation is a joke. The 3 headed Nabokov situation is a joke.
Montoya could be a decent 1b guy. I wouldnt hang my hopes in him being the undisputed #1 though.
Tank, Tank, Tank or finally try to win? I think Schneider would stabalize the Isles goaltending for a long time..just dont give him a 12 year deal..
Mizral 01-04-2012, 07:29 PM Hate to parrot the Canucks fanboys but Schneider is quite an upgrade for the Isles in goal. If this trade was made at around this point in the season there would be no chance the Isles are in the lottery.
That said if I was an Isles fan I think I'd be more interested in parting with the 2nd + something rather than a 1st. Honestly though I'd rather see Scheider moved for more immediate returns than the Isles draft pick.
kushh 01-04-2012, 07:37 PM We cant accept a 2nd and a prospect. We need a Calvin De haan at 12th overall.
A Morgan Reilly at 10.
A Mathew Dumba at 7.
A Ryan Murray at 3.
These are all things a top pick can get us. This is what Cory Schneider needs to return us.
No team will give up THEIR Calvin De haan. They keep their Ryan Eliis' and their Dougie Hamilton's..
If we can get a veteran NHLer in Reasoner, and maybe a motivated cheap as heck Nabokov to make a run at it..its win/win.
If we can get a high first, and keep ours as well, we might be able to pick and choose which dman we get.
HooliganX2 01-04-2012, 07:39 PM Schnieder has comparable nhl numbers to montoya while playing with better defense. The age is a lot closer then most people realize. Its not a trade they give up a first for. Montoya at one time was and uo and coming highly touted goalie.
blankall 01-04-2012, 07:42 PM Hate to parrot the Canucks fanboys but Schneider is quite an upgrade for the Isles in goal. If this trade was made at around this point in the season there would be no chance the Isles are in the lottery.
Really? Schneider plays well on a great team, we have yet to see how he would perform on an awful one. You really think it's a guarantee he would move the Isle ahead in the standings.
kushh 01-04-2012, 07:44 PM Schnieder has comparable nhl numbers to montoya while playing with better defense. The age is a lot closer then most people realize. Its not a trade they give up a first for. Montoya at one time was and uo and coming highly touted goalie.
If it was Schneider brought in last year when Montoya was instead, he'd already be at Jimmy Howard status. Instead, Al Montoya is still middling around in this goalie trifecta, and Schneider is stuck behind Lou.
Schneider and resigning Montoya too would solidify the Isles goaltending for the first time in a long time. Thats what they'd pay for.
PWJunior 01-04-2012, 07:47 PM We cant accept a 2nd and a prospect. We need a Calvin De haan at 12th overall.
A Morgan Reilly at 10.
A Mathew Dumba at 7.
A Ryan Murray at 3.
These are all things a top pick can get us. This is what Cory Schneider needs to return us.
No team will give up THEIR Calvin De haan. They keep their Ryan Eliis' and their Dougie Hamilton's..
If we can get a veteran NHLer in Reasoner, and maybe a motivated cheap as heck Nabokov to make a run at it..its win/win.
If we can get a high first, and keep ours as well, we might be able to pick and choose which dman we get.
So your proposal is just a thinly veiled attempt to acquire a potential lottery pick. That's fine, but I hope you realize how rare that is unless it's included in a blockbuster deal for a STAR player. I'm sorry, but Schneider will not net a 1st rounder in return. The goalie market isn't the same as the market is for skaters. You can bring up the Varlamov deal, but I think that was an exception rather than the norm.
Frozen Failure 01-04-2012, 07:53 PM I said a Robidas for Ballard swap would be a trade no one wants to do. Trading Ballard might be on the Canucks plate, but I don't think Robidas for Ballard will happen.
BLAME CANADA* 01-04-2012, 07:55 PM Nah I don't want to trade Schneider this season.
BLAME CANADA* 01-04-2012, 07:56 PM I said a Robidas for Ballard swap would be a trade no one wants to do. Trading Ballard might be on the Canucks plate, but I don't think Robidas for Ballard will happen.
Ballard hasn't been bad for us he's been pretty solid this season. I don't see us out looking to deal Ballard unless we're trading him as part of a deal to bring in a much better D man.
LatvianTwist 01-04-2012, 07:57 PM I hate Ballard's contract, but I think I'd consider it. Who knows how he'd play here, and we could really use a great center prospect. Grossman and Robidas aren't playing all that great, and I don't see how, on the ice, Ballard could be much worse. But for no, it's a polite no, but I think there's potential.
UP, why exactly would we want to keep Grossman? He's been awful lately, his contract expires this OS, and I'd definitely prefer Ballard over him right now.
Mony01* 01-04-2012, 07:59 PM Schneider, Alberts, NYI 4th
for
Nabokov, Reasoner, NYI 1st
A steep price to pay but Isles finally get a reliable horse. They dont really need another high draft pick they need to start winning. A Schneider/Montoya pairing would be very solid for a long time...maybe Ricky could be an assistant GM or something. Alberts is signed through next year so UFA's can be dealt if needed.
Canucks have been after Reasoner before and he's having a rough year on a bad team. A Malhotra-Reasoner-Lapierre 4th line would be awesome in Van. Nabokov is super cheap, and is a veteran to push Lou who would like a chance to win a cup. Getting a high pick likely allows the Canucks to pick one of the better defenseman or swedish forwards available..
Ballard and Schroeder
for
Robidas and Grossman
Dallas gets rid of a logjam on defense and gets a center prospect they're fairly short on. They get rid of 2 NHL contracts to just one, and get a former 1st rounder for a pending UFA. Gogo, Ballard, Souray, Daley, Fistric, Larsson, Pardy and Bann is a very underated defense still. Schroeder gets a chance to be a offensive player and teams with Glennie for now to get them both on track.
Canucks gets a solid veteran dman Coach V can count on. A little older with with a wealth of experience and signed at a reasonable rate. Adding him and Reasoner at age 34 gives us some veteran incentive other than Salo. Grossman is the real prize as he'd be the perfect compliment to Edler for many years to come, and can likely be signed at a reasonable rate as well.
All in all Canucks get Robidas and Grossman for Ballard and Alberts...Reasoner for Schroeder, Nabokov for Schneider, and a top pick for the 4th we got for free.
Ebbett and Sulzer get waived for Reasoner's spot, Ebbett replaces Schroeder in Chicago and is a perfect guy to callup in the playoffs as an extra forward.
Sedin, Sedin, Burrows
Booth, Kesler, Higgins
Raymond, Hodgson, Hansen
Malhotra, Reasoner, Lapierre
Weise, Bitz
Edler, Grossman
Hamhuis, Bieksa
Robidas, Salo
Rome
Luongo
Nabokov
As of today, Canucks would get the 4th overall and 27th. NYI with Schneider should win a few more games, but still likely around top 10.
Really ur giving nabokov for schneider lol nabakov has like 4 wins in 20 gp
keslehr* 01-04-2012, 08:00 PM Sign me up.
CREW99AW 01-04-2012, 08:07 PM The Islanders trade would be about what I'd want for Schneider....they just don't think they need him (Montoya isn't "about as good" as Schneider, I'm not saying you should move your first and Nabokov for an upgrade though). In that case, it's an overpayment if they don't think they need Schneider, they don't think they do, awesome...the 1st being a top 10 pick is not the price you pay for what you believe is a spare part. That trade needs an overhaul, and I don't think we (Vancouver) will surrender what the Islanders want for a pick that high.
Then again, it's Wang's team, and I don't think he really cares how many goalies he has, he'd probably want Snow to sign as many as he can.
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Your argument that it's Wang's team and he probably wants Snow to sign as many goalies as he can is such a weak argument.Right up there with hey it's Snow.
Wow,how original.
Kevin27NYI 01-04-2012, 08:09 PM Dipietro, Montoya, Nabakov, Poulin, Koskinen Nilsson and Rosen is the most ragtag bunch of goalers you could piece together.
As a Canuck fan this is dreaded goalie graveyard calibre.
Looking at it, I feel the pain from our very own Garth Snow days.
The huge shoulder pads. The 3 headed Garth Snow, Kevin Weekes, some other bum combo...
Remember when we traded Weekes for Potvin? Potvin/Snow..what a combo!
Thats what the Isles are right now.
Every team can claim their goalies in the wing are the future.
Those players still need to develop.
Cory Schneider is ready.
He's a RFA conveniently so you get to work out the deal yourself.
Kinda like when we aquired Lou.
The whole Dipietro situation is a joke. The 3 headed Nabokov situation is a joke.
Montoya could be a decent 1b guy. I wouldnt hang my hopes in him being the undisputed #1 though.
Tank, Tank, Tank or finally try to win? I think Schneider would stabalize the Isles goaltending for a long time..just dont give him a 12 year deal..
Montoya has played 17 games, has a 2.45 GAA and a .920 save percentage. He has a 6-5-3 record.
Nabokov has played 15 games, has a 2.49 GAA and a .920 save percentage. He has a 5-8-0 record.
Something tells me brining in Schneider will not be the difference maker for wins.
Frozen Failure 01-04-2012, 08:11 PM I hate Ballard's contract, but I think I'd consider it. Who knows how he'd play here, and we could really use a great center prospect. Grossman and Robidas aren't playing all that great, and I don't see how, on the ice, Ballard could be much worse. But for no, it's a polite no, but I think there's potential.
UP, why exactly would we want to keep Grossman? He's been awful lately, his contract expires this OS, and I'd definitely prefer Ballard over him right now.
Because, like Niskanen, I don't think we should just let him go? The biggest guys on the blueline next year would be Pardy and Fistric and maybe Dillon. I don't think he's been completely awful. I dunno what else you guys are expecting out of him.
CREW99AW 01-04-2012, 08:18 PM Dipietro, Montoya, Nabakov, Poulin, Koskinen Nilsson and Rosen is the most ragtag bunch of goalers you could piece together.
Looking at it, I feel the pain from our very own Garth Snow days.
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Isles and their scout are happy with Montoya and their trio of young goalie prospects.
Worry less about the NYI young goalies and more about the low return goalies are bringing back in trades.With Schneider due to become a ufa in 2013,good luck landing anything close to a top 5 lottery pick,in a strong draft.
IslesRock4 01-04-2012, 08:31 PM Let's not kid ourselves, the Isles would love to add a goalie like Schneider.
However, adding another goalie to the jam is not an immediate need of the organization and that's why you won't see them trading a potential high draft pick for one. If this was going to be that one big move to put the Isles over the top, then sure, they'll be open to trading their first rounder. But the Isles are a long ways from that. Schneider doesn't solve anything right now (at that price).
You can argue all you want that Schneider is better than Montoya/Poulin, but the difference does not justify giving up the pick. The Isles will much rather bank on that 1st becoming a more suitable player for the team.
CREW99AW 01-04-2012, 08:40 PM Let's not kid ourselves, the Isles would love to add a goalie like Schneider.
However, adding another goalie to the jam is not an immediate need of the organization and that's why you won't see them trading a potential high draft pick for one. If this was going to be that one big move to put the Isles over the top, then sure, they'll be open to trading their first rounder. But the Isles are a long ways from that. Schneider doesn't solve anything right now (at that price).
You can argue all you want that Schneider is better than Montoya/Poulin, but the difference does not justify giving up the pick. The Isles will much rather bank on that 1st becoming a more suitable player for the team.
Also,let's stop with the nonsense that 'hey the isles can just sign Schneider to an extension'.
Isles are barely above the cap floor,hanging on until 2015.
They aren't going to be interested in spending their limited budget,outbidding other teams for Schneider.
Cogburn 01-04-2012, 11:50 PM Your argument that it's Wang's team and he probably wants Snow to sign as many goalies as he can is such a weak argument.Right up there with hey it's Snow.
Wow,how original.
Actually my argument is that you guys don't think you need an upgrade on the several potential back ups (as of this season) to Nabokov, that the trade doesn't work because NYI fans value Schneider as a piece they can supply from with in the organization (which I disagreed with, but completely understand) and that it should be completely retooled if the Canucks want any of those pieces from the Islanders.
My joke was that Wang is insane and he and Snow love to collect goaltenders like they're hockey cards.
I personally don't see alot of Wang/Snow jokes, and feel like I AM original though, so thanks I guess.
canucksPK 01-04-2012, 11:56 PM Yeah I'll take Ryan Murray sure
CREW99AW 01-05-2012, 03:35 AM Actually my argument is that you guys don't think you need an upgrade on the several potential back ups (as of this season) to Nabokov, that the trade doesn't work because NYI fans value Schneider as a piece they can supply from with in the organization (which I disagreed with, but completely understand) and that it should be completely retooled if the Canucks want any of those pieces from the Islanders.
My joke was that Wang is insane and he and Snow love to collect goaltenders like they're hockey cards.
I personally don't see alot of Wang/Snow jokes, and feel like I AM original though, so thanks I guess.
Nabokov and Montoya were on 1 yr deals,each bought in when goalie injuries hit.
The press has indicated that 36 yr old Montoya,who wants to play for a cup contender,only joined the team o he could play and build up his value.He'll be dealt when Snow finds a trade partner.Both Nabokov and Montoya are ufa this July.
The isles are happy with the potential of all three youngsters and not rushing their dvelopment.
Yeah,that's collecting goalies.As I said..weak.
Campoli2Burrows 01-05-2012, 03:49 AM Nabokov and Montoya were on 1 yr deals,each bought in when goalie injuries hit.
The press has indicated that 36 yr old Nabokov,who wants to play for a cup contender,only joined the team o he could play and build up his value.He'll be dealt when Snow finds a trade partner.Both Nabokov and Montoya are ufa this July.
The isles are happy with the potential of all three youngsters and not rushing their dvelopment.
Yeah,that's collecting goalies.As I said..weak.
Fixed
CREW99AW 01-05-2012, 03:55 AM Fixed
Thanks
palindrom 01-05-2012, 04:05 AM I take it the timing for this trade is now or at the deadline.
Im not sure Schneider value will that much superior to Nabokov at the deadline. Teams in a playoff spot will be looking for a reliable proven goalies.
Teams out of the playoffs will wait this summer to acquire a goalie. Teams will then have more option via UFA/RFA (young goalie as Elliot/Harding or Montoya could be UFA).
My take?
At the Deadline NYI will trade Nabokov to the highest bidder for draft/prospect or young player (Schneider isnt that young!). They will try to re sign Montoya, and Schneider could be traded or lost as a RFA next summer.
I just cant picture Vancouver as the highest bidder to acquire Nabokov Service.
palindrom 01-05-2012, 04:17 AM If it was Schneider brought in last year when Montoya was instead, he'd already be at Jimmy Howard status. Instead, Al Montoya is still middling around in this goalie trifecta, and Schneider is stuck behind Lou.
Schneider and resigning Montoya too would solidify the Isles goaltending for the first time in a long time. Thats what they'd pay for.
Last year NYI was on the market around the league to get a young goalie. They looked at all the option around the league (including Schneider) and rightfully choose Montoya for a 6th round pick.
Bennrocks 01-05-2012, 04:24 AM I hate Ballard's contract, but I think I'd consider it. Who knows how he'd play here, and we could really use a great center prospect. Grossman and Robidas aren't playing all that great, and I don't see how, on the ice, Ballard could be much worse. But for no, it's a polite no, but I think there's potential.
UP, why exactly would we want to keep Grossman? He's been awful lately, his contract expires this OS, and I'd definitely prefer Ballard over him right now.
Tbh i dont think the Value is there for Dallas, Schroeder is Meh imo producing at about .5 PPG pace in the AHL, i think we could get more for Grossman, and dont really want a Ballard for Robi swap
Bennrocks 01-05-2012, 04:25 AM Because, like Niskanen, I don't think we should just let him go? The biggest guys on the blueline next year would be Pardy and Fistric and maybe Dillon. I don't think he's been completely awful. I dunno what else you guys are expecting out of him.
Grossman hasn't been awful but i think he's regressed since his knee injury last year
hefsbeaver 01-05-2012, 12:29 PM So your proposal is just a thinly veiled attempt to acquire a potential lottery pick. That's fine, but I hope you realize how rare that is unless it's included in a blockbuster deal for a STAR player. I'm sorry, but Schneider will not net a 1st rounder in return. The goalie market isn't the same as the market is for skaters. You can bring up the Varlamov deal, but I think that was an exception rather than the norm.
we have already passed up a deal with a first coming back for him..........so this is just wrong
txomisc 01-05-2012, 12:48 PM Id do it from a Dallas perspective but mostly because I still think Schroeder has big time potential. I was going to say no because of Ballards term but then I looked and its only a year beyond Robidas' contract so its not really that big of a deal.
bluechipbonzo 01-05-2012, 01:16 PM The OP has clearly failed to do his DD on the state of the Islanders goaltending prospects.
Also, it's funny how these proposals allow one team to trade from a strength, but discount the other team's strength (both teams goaltending is an organizational strength IMO).
In other words, if the Islanders are moving their first round pick, it won't be for goaltending help...it would be for a wing to play with Tavares, or a top four defenseman to take the pressure off Streit.
You can say that Poulin or Nilsson aren't sure things, but that's not the way NHL teams think- they build their teams (and in particular where goaltenders are concerned) with the assumption that player A is going to slot in as a number one goalie, and go from there- you have to trust in what you have developing on the farm, and hope it works out. You don't go and undermine your plan by bringing in another goaltender. That's like giving up on the ones you currently have- and then have to worry about trading them...
We saw how that worked out with Luongo and DiPietro...Schneider has the makings of a number one, but IMO he's not head and shoulders above Poulin or Nilsson. That's also not to say Schneider isn't the best of the three, currently. However, any of these three could be CAREER NHL number ones, and any (or all) of the three could have a few pedestrian seasons and disappear with the likes of Raycroft, Mason, Deslauriers, and perhaps (?) Niemi, Halak, etc.
We need to wait and see what Schneider can do as the clear-cut number one. The strong defense of the Canucks also plays a role here.
Here's an interesting read on Schnieder and small sample sizes where goalies are concerned.
http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2011/12/09/drance-numbers-what-do-we-know-about-nhl-goalies-after-fifty-games/
Scottrockztheworld* 01-05-2012, 01:19 PM Tbh i dont think the Value is there for Dallas, Schroeder is Meh imo producing at about .5 PPG pace in the AHL, i think we could get more for Grossman, and dont really want a Ballard for Robi swap
Points don't tell the entire story. He is the best forward in Chicago & the reason he has such low point totals is because the team is a very low scoring team. Same thing was said about Hodgson last year but look at him now.
BLAME CANADA* 01-05-2012, 01:54 PM I take it the timing for this trade is now or at the deadline.
Im not sure Schneider value will that much superior to Nabokov at the deadline. Teams in a playoff spot will be looking for a reliable proven goalies.
Teams out of the playoffs will wait this summer to acquire a goalie. Teams will then have more option via UFA/RFA (young goalie as Elliot/Harding or Montoya could be UFA).
My take?
At the Deadline NYI will trade Nabokov to the highest bidder for draft/prospect or young player (Schneider isnt that young!). They will try to re sign Montoya, and Schneider could be traded or lost as a RFA next summer.
I just cant picture Vancouver as the highest bidder to acquire Nabokov Service.
Schneider is 25 years old that's pretty young.
IslesNorway 01-05-2012, 02:07 PM So Vancouver's back up goalie is worth a lottery pick let alone a possible first overall? AND an experienced starter to boost? Get real!
CREW99AW 01-05-2012, 02:33 PM Schneider is 25 years old that's pretty young.
He's also a ufa July 2013.
Isles,with their tight team budget,won't be giving up top youngsters/lottery picks for 1 yr of Schneider.
BLAME CANADA* 01-05-2012, 02:41 PM He's also a ufa July 2013.
Isles,with their tight team budget,won't be giving up top youngsters/lottery picks for 1 yr of Schneider.
Didn't know I said trade us your top 3 pick for Schneider?....
It's funny how many trade proposals always include the Isles 1st round pick. Lottery picks are not given up easily so unless a true stud is coming to the Isles, then don't bother.
In a few years time NYI will have everyone on the team including 4th liners and #5-6D who will be lottery picks.
arsmaster 01-05-2012, 02:57 PM Didn't know I said trade us your top 3 pick for Schneider?....
It is common knowledge the Islanders pick in the lottery.
It happens every year!
PWJunior 01-05-2012, 03:04 PM In a few years time NYI will have everyone on the team including 4th liners and #5-6D who will be lottery picks.
Hey, you may be right. It still doesn't change the fact that Schneider is not worth a lottery pick.
CREW99AW 01-05-2012, 03:17 PM Hey, you may be right. It still doesn't change the fact that Schneider is not worth a lottery pick.
Cmon PWJunior.
Trades that make sense for both teams involved, are so overrated.
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