The Official MLB Post-Season Thread

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Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 02:23 PM
The Cardinals are currently steamrolling the Dodgers 7-2 about to be after the end of 6

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 02:41 PM
Larry Walker just hit his second homer of the game

Emerald City Bruin
10-05-2004, 02:48 PM
Larry Walker just hit his second homer of the game

This game needs to end so I can see my SOX!!!

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 02:52 PM
This game needs to end so I can see my SOX!!!

20 minutes on ESPN2! :yo:

Lets Go Red Sox

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 03:04 PM
Great...Gwynn and Sutcliffe with ugh Berman

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 03:16 PM
1-0 Sawx! :yo:

Fish on The Sand
10-05-2004, 03:18 PM
Red Sox will win it all, you heard it here first.

Schilling :bow:
Pedro :bow:
Manny :bow:

Lieber :lol
Loiaza :lol

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 03:22 PM
8-3 Final in St. Louis for the Cardinals

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 04:08 PM
3-0 Sox

Millar with a 2 run homer...CRUSHED

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 04:19 PM
5-0 ... Washburn done for the day

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 04:27 PM
3 run BLAST for Man-Ram...8-0

the route is ON

golfmade
10-05-2004, 04:28 PM
HHAHAHAHAH ouch, 8 runs for Boston in one inning. :lol

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 04:32 PM
HHAHAHAHAH ouch, 8 runs for Boston in one inning. :lol

7 in 1 inning...the Sox scored 1 in the first inning

VO #23
10-05-2004, 04:34 PM
Utter domination so far. Where's the D, Anaheim?

golfmade
10-05-2004, 04:40 PM
7 in 1 inning...the Sox scored 1 in the first inning

Oops, oh well, a TD in one inning is still a spanking.

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 06:16 PM
9-3 route by the Sawx

canadahockeygirl*
10-05-2004, 06:23 PM
I think Schilling looked a little flat, but I'll take the win.

Hopefully Pedro's got his stuff together.

Joe T Choker
10-05-2004, 06:58 PM
I think Schilling looked a little flat, but I'll take the win.

Hopefully Pedro's got his stuff together.

I agree...the Angels were able to get a hit/inning

Herby
10-05-2004, 07:23 PM
The Angels had chances to get key hits early in the game and simply blew it, terrible move by Mike not to bunt over Glaus after the lead-off double in the 2nd.

Oh well, we lost every Game 1 in 02 (ALDS, ALCS and WS) and were able to pull it off, I really like our chances with Colon vs. Pedro tomorrow. Bart has been on fire in the 2nd half.

Old Hickory
10-05-2004, 07:25 PM
Herby! You're alive!

LuckyLUC20
10-05-2004, 07:28 PM
dammit Dodgers.. come on!

John Flyers Fan
10-05-2004, 07:43 PM
dammit Dodgers.. come on!

The Dodgers lack of starting pitching is going to kill them. They can't use their greatest weapon (bullpen) if they can't get a lead.

LuckyLUC20
10-05-2004, 07:55 PM
The Dodgers lack of starting pitching is going to kill them. They can't use their greatest weapon (bullpen) if they can't get a lead.
Starting pitching and offense.. so yeah, they're in trouble if they can't get it going. :banghead:

Tuggy
10-05-2004, 09:25 PM
Santana looked kinda shaky to start the game but he is pitching very well now. Only 78 pitches through 6 innings is a nice pitch count.

John Flyers Fan
10-05-2004, 09:28 PM
This guy singing "God Bless America": is a disgrace.

Tuggy
10-05-2004, 10:18 PM
Twins win 2-0. So much for the sluggin Yankees :D

Hockeyfan02
10-05-2004, 10:21 PM
Twins got timely hits and played excellent defense tonight. Torrii Hunter made 2 great plays tonight. Santana wasnt as dominating but he got out of all the jams. Good for Jacque Jones to hit a homerun with all the stuff hes going through with his dad's passing.

Thoughts on the other games: Red Sox defense looked good today against the Angels while the Angels looked nervous, especially Figgins, which costs them the big deficit. Guerrero didnt do much, while Rameriez got on base for the first run and hit a homerun that put the game away. That matchup is the key to the series IMO. Angels need to win tommorow or I think theyre done, I dont think they can take 2 in a row at Fenway and then beat Schilling.

Perez looked pretty good, then the Cards figuered him out and slugged him around in the 3rd. The Cards line up is just scary all the way through, its gonna be tough to beat them. Dodgers need to score early to have a chance in these games and not make any mistakes in the field.

LuckyLUC20
10-05-2004, 10:37 PM
Santana looked kinda shaky to start the game but he is pitching very well now. Only 78 pitches through 6 innings is a nice pitch count.
Santana didn't have his best stuff tonight, or at least what we've been so used to seeing this season.. but when it counted, he got the outs esp. with men on base (of course, thanks to his defense for turning in, what? 5 or 6 double plays). Nice job, Twins!!

David Puddy
10-05-2004, 11:53 PM
I would love to see the Red Sox win the 100th World Series. They won the first in 1903 against Pittsburgh. Actually, I would love to see anybody but "the Evil Empire" win the American League and the World Championship.

Twins win 2-0. So much for the sluggin YankeesI wouldn't count them out just yet. I have rejoiced in Yankee defeats in the past. but they have come back from the brink of elimination to. The Twins won game one last year against N.Y.

This guy singing "God Bless America": is a disgrace.I agree with you. He's a bass singer from the Metropolitan Opera. There was a thread about a bass Canadian bass singer performaning "Oh Canada" a couple of months ago. Bass singers should stick to singing "Deep River" like Chevy Chase in National Lampoon's Vacation.

Tuggy
10-06-2004, 01:49 AM
I wouldn't count them out just yet. I have rejoiced in Yankee defeats in the past. but they have come back from the brink of elimination to. The Twins won game one last year against N.Y.



Too true...the Yankees are never dead, trust me I know this. Being an A's fan and all I also know that winning the first game, or even the first two for that matter, doens't mean the series is over. But this has to be a huge confidence boost to the Twins to a) win Game 1 in Yankee stadium b) beat their ace c) shut them out.

The series is far from over but a great start either way for the Twins :handclap:

Fish on The Sand
10-06-2004, 02:12 AM
Too true...the Yankees are never dead, trust me I know this. Being an A's fan and all I also know that winning the first game, or even the first two for that matter, doens't mean the series is over. But this has to be a huge confidence boost to the Twins to a) win Game 1 in Yankee stadium b) beat their ace c) shut them out.

The series is far from over but a great start either way for the Twins :handclap:
The Yankees dont have a pitcher good enough to be called ace.

Ironchef Chris Wok*
10-06-2004, 04:18 AM
The Yankees dont have a pitcher good enough to be called ace.

The 83 year old Cuban guy can pitch for me in the playoffs anytime.

John Flyers Fan
10-06-2004, 07:08 AM
The 83 year old Cuban guy can pitch for me in the playoffs anytime.

Problem is that his arm is falling off, and he may not be able to start in round 1.

GKJ
10-06-2004, 09:07 AM
Red Sox will win it all, you heard it here first.

Schilling :bow:
Pedro :bow:
Manny :bow:

Lieber :lol
Loiaza :lol


I said it back in April.

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 10:05 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/probablechart

Wed Oct 6, 2004
Roger Clemens (Hou) Jaret Wright (Atl)

Brad Radke (Min) Jon Lieber (NYY)

Pedro Martinez (Bos) Bartolo Colon (Ana)

Thu Oct 7, 2004
Roy Oswalt (Hou) John Thomson (Atl)

Jeff Weaver (LA) Jason Marquis (StL)

Fri Oct 8, 2004
Kelvim Escobar (Ana) Undecided (Bos)

Undecided (NYY) Carlos Silva (Min)

Sat Oct 9, 2004
Undecided (Ana) Undecided (Bos) - Schilling on 3 days rest? :dunno:

Undecided (NYY) Undecided (Min)

Mike Hampton (Atl) Undecided (Hou)

Matt Morris (StL) Jose Lima (LA)

Douggy
10-06-2004, 10:37 AM
This guy singing "God Bless America": is a disgrace.
I really liked it. It was odd at first, but when he belted it out at the end and showed his range, it was really good.

stanley
10-06-2004, 12:59 PM
SNA,
If the Sox lose Games 2 and 3, I still think they go with Wakefield in Game 4 (Arroyo will pitch Game 3). There would really be no point in throwing Schilling on three days' rest because they'd still need to win Game 5. If Wakefield's knuckler is moving like it did his last two outings, particularly the one in Baltimore, he's going to be tough. Pedro will be one and done in this series. If they need long help, they'll look to Lowe.

The problem might not be so bad for the Yankees for a couple of reasons. For one, Lieber has been really good the last month. Second, they have a very good offense. Third, the back of their bullpen is strong, even without an in-sync Quantrill.

However, it's becoming more apparent that they're going to need contributions from their starters, and they haven't gotten a solid series of starts out of anybody lately except the guy that lost in Game 1 and the 83-year-old Cuban who can't throw harder than Amanda of the Bad News Bears right now. If the Yankees go nowhere this October, the reason on their epitath should absolutely read: "Starting pitching."

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 04:03 PM
4-1 Astros with two outs in the top of the 3rd ... Berkman just went yard

Tuggy
10-06-2004, 04:04 PM
4-1 Astros with two outs in the top of the 3rd ... Berkman just went yard

He cranked that one!

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 04:19 PM
Charles Thomas just ran into the rocket with the bases loaded...and 1, 2, 3, 4 sit down

golfmade
10-06-2004, 04:21 PM
He cranked that one!

I was making a sandwhich while the game was on TV and the second I heard the hit I knew it was going out of the yard, what a hit!

golfmade
10-06-2004, 04:24 PM
Ouch, right off the shin. That's gotta hurt.

Hockeyfan02
10-06-2004, 04:50 PM
Beltran goes yard....I didnt think that one had enough to go and thought Jones was gonna catch it. Wright is now out. Clemens isnt pitching very well, but like Santana last night is getting out of the james hes getting himself in.

GKJ
10-06-2004, 05:00 PM
Sat Oct 9, 2004
Undecided (Ana) Undecided (Bos) - Schilling on 3 days rest? :dunno:


If it is a must win for the Red Sox, probably. If not, they should hold Schilling for a Game 5.

Tuggy
10-06-2004, 05:10 PM
Clemens is going to done here after the 5th. He hasn't been good at all but when your team puts up 7 runs...

golfmade
10-06-2004, 05:52 PM
I've gotta go to work soon but I predict a 4-2 Twins win. Go Twins!!! :yo:

Tuggy
10-06-2004, 06:38 PM
3-1 Twins after 1.5

Fish on The Sand
10-06-2004, 06:45 PM
Yankees just don't have good enough pitching to do anything in the playoffs. Its showing right here. I mean Lieber is their top pitcher right now, that says enough.

Hockeyfan02
10-06-2004, 07:55 PM
Yankees just don't have good enough pitching to do anything in the playoffs. Its showing right here. I mean Lieber is their top pitcher right now, that says enough.

I thought Mussina pitched pretty well last night, much better than Lieber is tonight, he just didnt get any run support.

BAuldie
10-06-2004, 08:44 PM
wooo.. the Canadians come through and tie it up for Minnesota in the top of the 8th. Morneau with an RBI single and Koskie with an RBI double (woulda been 2 RBI's but the ball bounced out).

Only Rivera's 3rd blown save in the post season ever.

:banana:

FlyersHomer DM03
10-06-2004, 09:14 PM
The Braves team that came out to play was such a contrast to the Braves that have played all season--usually when a pitcher fills up the bases like Clemens did, all season we made other teams pay, just not today. Mike Hampton pitches tomorrow in a must-win...uh oh

Tuggy
10-06-2004, 09:15 PM
Mike Hampton pitches tomorrow in a must-win...uh oh

And against Oswalt :lol

GKJ
10-06-2004, 09:15 PM
The Braves team that came out to play was such a contrast to the Braves that have played all season--usually when a pitcher fills up the bases like Clemens did, all season we made other teams pay, just not today. Mike Hampton pitches tomorrow in a must-win...uh oh


because they're a fluke?

Tuggy
10-06-2004, 09:16 PM
Into extra's we go :handclap:

GKJ
10-06-2004, 09:23 PM
I have a feeling this game will go like 14 innings

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 09:59 PM
HORRIBLE base running mistake by Bellhorn in the top of the 2nd

:shakehead ... bench him Francona!

John Flyers Fan
10-06-2004, 10:04 PM
6-5 Twins

Hunter smokes one to deep left. :banana: :banana:

GKJ
10-06-2004, 10:05 PM
6-5 Twins

Hunter smokes one to deep left. :banana: :banana:

get him a contender.

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 10:05 PM
6-5 Twins

Hunter smokes one to deep left. :banana: :banana:

YES!!!

:yo: :bow: :handclap:

GKJ
10-06-2004, 10:06 PM
It's only 1-0, but Colon i already around 60 pitches.

2 more innings like that and he will have 120 pitches and not even be eligible for the win.


No one warming up for the Twins, Nathan will at least start his 3rd inning.

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 10:07 PM
1 all in Anaslime...come on Pedro!...get your pitches DOWN

GKJ
10-06-2004, 10:25 PM
Joe Nathan blows the save. Threw 9 straight balls at one point.



:shakehead

John Flyers Fan
10-06-2004, 10:26 PM
Joe Nathan blows the save. Threw 9 straight balls at one point.



:shakehead

Not Nathan's fault ... Gardenhire is a bonehead. Once he walks two in a row, he has to take him out of the game.

Can't expect your closer to pitch 3 innings.

Hockeyfan02
10-06-2004, 10:27 PM
Not Nathan's fault ... Gardenhire is a bonehead. Once he walks two in a row, he has to take him out of the game.

Can't expect your closer to pitch 3 innings.

Exactly. I thought someone else should have faced Rodriguez. Great game so far though.

GKJ
10-06-2004, 10:29 PM
Not Nathan's fault ... Gardenhire is a bonehead. Once he walks two in a row, he has to take him out of the game.

Can't expect your closer to pitch 3 innings.

Thats what the :shakehead was for. Took balls from Gardenhire though.


They should have had someone warming up while he was pitching to Cairo.


Yankees win on Romero's first pitch.

Ronnie Bass
10-06-2004, 10:30 PM
Damn, is there a tougher place to win on the road in the playoffs than Yankee Stadium??

Un****ingbelievable.

Hockeyfan02
10-06-2004, 10:31 PM
What kind of throw was that from Jones?! :dunno:

John Flyers Fan
10-06-2004, 10:32 PM
What kind of throw was that from Jones?! :dunno:

He was flat-footed ... didn't catch it with any momentum going forward.

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 10:32 PM
Damn, is there a tougher place to win on the road in the playoffs than Yankee Stadium??

Un****ingbelievable.

what about the 5 double plays last night in the 2-0 Twins victory?

and the Twins know that Mariana isn't as invincible as he once was...good first two games by the Twins...a little better managing and its 2-0 Twins going back to the Twin Cities

John Flyers Fan
10-06-2004, 10:32 PM
Damn, is there a tougher place to win on the road in the playoffs than Yankee Stadium??

Un****ingbelievable.


Far too often it's due to brainlock from opposing managers (Little, Francona, Gardenhire ....)

GKJ
10-06-2004, 10:38 PM
Far too often it's due to brainlock from opposing managers (Little, Francona, Gardenhire ....)


Why do managers leave their pitchers in too long in the Bronx?



This baffles me.


Oh well, this will just set up better when the Red Sox win.

John Flyers Fan
10-06-2004, 10:40 PM
Why do managers leave their pitchers in too long in the Bronx?

This baffles me.

Oh well, this will just set up better when the Red Sox win.

Sox need the twins to beat the Yanks.

Sox won't beat the Yankees.

Ronnie Bass
10-06-2004, 10:42 PM
what about the 5 double plays last night in the 2-0 Twins victory?

and the Twins know that Mariana isn't as invincible as he once was...good first two games by the Twins...a little better managing and its 2-0 Twins going back to the Twin Cities

I never said they would never ever lose their, but when ever teams try to put them out for the count or close to it, it's near impossible it seems, it's as if that place WILLS them to win and survive.

Remember the WS games against Arizona, Red Sox last year, I mean I really could go on, it is amazing.

GKJ
10-06-2004, 10:44 PM
Sox need the twins to beat the Yanks.

Sox won't beat the Yankees.


That's what you think ;)



I'll take it either way.

Ronnie Bass
10-06-2004, 10:44 PM
Far too often it's due to brainlock from opposing managers (Little, Francona, Gardenhire ....)

It still up to the players to win it or lose it, but your right, that too is amazing that the opposing mangers start managing like Charlie Brown.

Avery4Byng*
10-06-2004, 10:44 PM
Sox need the twins to beat the Yanks.

Sox won't beat the Yankees.

I hate to say its true, but it is so true.

Son of Steinbrenner
10-06-2004, 10:45 PM
:)

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 11:14 PM
3 all in Anaheim

:yo: Varitek :yo:

GKJ
10-06-2004, 11:14 PM
Varitek dials 9.


Tie game out west.

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 11:27 PM
Francisco Rodriguez already?

:dunno:

Tuggy
10-06-2004, 11:30 PM
Francisco Rodriguez already?

:dunno:

Since they don't play tommorrow and considering the situation, probably not a bad idea

Joe T Choker
10-06-2004, 11:42 PM
4-3 Sox

Joe T Choker
10-07-2004, 12:49 AM
Nixon with an RBI single after Manny doubles and Ortiz is walked...

the Angel catchers have SUCKED tonight

5-3 Sox

Joe T Choker
10-07-2004, 12:52 AM
8-3

Cabrera with a bases clearing TRIPLE

Take that nomah

Hockeyfan02
10-07-2004, 12:53 AM
Sox have gotten to the Angels bullpen. 8-3 with Foulke on the mound to close it. I dont think the rally monkey can help the Angels now.

Blackjack
10-07-2004, 01:30 AM
Why do managers leave their pitchers in too long in the Bronx?

Not just in NY, managers push their star pitchers harder in October. Remember Mark Prior last year? I actually think it's can be a good call, BUT, you must be very quick with the hook if they show any signs of fatigue. Walking Miguel Cairo on 5 pitches is a sign of fatigue.

GKJ
10-07-2004, 06:54 AM
Not just in NY, managers push their star pitchers harder in October. Remember Mark Prior last year? I actually think it's can be a good call, BUT, you must be very quick with the hook if they show any signs of fatigue. Walking Miguel Cairo on 5 pitches is a sign of fatigue.


I kind agree. No problem with him sending Nathan out there to start the inning, he used to be a starter, but you can't send him out there and hope, and I think thats what Gardenhire did. I think you can bet he won't make that same mistake again.



And now the Sawx get to come home and hopefully take this in 3. Keith Foulke getting a 4 out save was a bit scary until the Red Sox finally put up some run support.

Hockeyfan02
10-07-2004, 11:16 AM
My daily thoughts on the games:

Like the Yankees the night before, the Braves couldnt put the runs in when they got Clemens in trouble. Clemens looked shaky but pitched himself out of jams. Ausmus's homerun was the play of the game. It settled the Astros down and then began the slug fest. Oswalt vs Hampton should be good today. Beltran and Jones are questionable for todays game so thats something to watch for sure.

Yankees finally got their bats going but the Twins have proven they can hang with em. Hunter has had an excellent series so far. ARod finally earned that big paycheck hes been getting for years going 4 for 6. Gardenhire made a big blunder: I think he made the right move leaving Nathan in but should have taken him out after he walked Jeter. Twins can still win this series but they should be up 2-0. Yankees always seem to find a way to win these October extra inning games in Yankee stadium. Worst part of this game for me was John Miller going on and on about Jeters home run about how it was Ruth esque, Jackson esque, spetacular, fanatastic, blah, blah...it was a 1st inning homerun to tie the game...a long shot but get your lips off the guys butt.

Pedro Martinez came out and pitched a good game last night and stuck it up everyones butt who said he was done. I'm surprised he won because the Sox were given numerous oppertunities with the bases loaded early and plated one...usually that comes back to bite a team. Variteks home run was huge as it got to the Angels bullpen tied and not with an Angels lead. That had a huge effect on the game IMO. Red Sox bullpen outpitched the Angels bullpen and although the Red Sox bullpen is solid, I didnt think they would. Red Sox up 2-0 going back to fenway with Schilling needed for game 5 if necessary looks like a win for them, especially with talk of Washburn for game 4 and colon for game 5...one of those guys on short rest is gonna get hammered by the Sox, if they make it past game 3.

David Puddy
10-07-2004, 11:42 AM
Worst part of this game for me was John Miller going on and on about Jeters home run about how it was Ruth esque, Jackson esque, spetacular, fanatastic, blah, blah...it was a 1st inning homerun to tie the game...a long shot but get your lips off the guys butt.
You think that's bad; you should have heard Susan Waldman, who now does post-game reporting for the Yankees' YES Network, when she was in the broadcast both. She made a comment about Jeter being the first player from the dugout to congratulate a teammate after the teammate hit a home run. It made me want to puke.

Gardenhire made a big blunder: I think he made the right move leaving Nathan in but should have taken him out after he walked Jeter.Ron Gardenhire gets the second annual Grady Little Award for mismanagement of his pitching staff. I can't see the Twins ending the Yankees' season after losing a game like that. I hope that I am wrong.

Fish on The Sand
10-07-2004, 03:01 PM
on sportsnet they were talking about putting Schilling in for a possible game 4 on short rest. This is an absolutly horrible idea.

Pedro can't under any circumstance start on short rest, so he is done for the series, minus a possible inning or so in relief if neccessary.Anyways, here is my reasoning. Schilling although a great pitcher on short rest, is still better on full rest. So why start him on short rest, and risk losing game 4 and forcing to pitch Wakefield in a decisive game 5 on the road. If your going to lose game 4, don't waste your best pitcher. I'd prefer Schilling on the mound for game 5 than Wakefield. If the sox lose in 5 games, and Schilling is the game 4 starter, Francona should be fired. plain and simple.

Tuggy
10-07-2004, 03:23 PM
Bagwell with his first EVER postseason homerun! Lets go Astros :yo:

Joe T Choker
10-07-2004, 03:50 PM
Thu Oct 7, 2004
Roy Oswalt (Hou) Mike Hampton (Atl)

Jeff Weaver (LA) Jason Marquis (StL)

Fri Oct 8, 2004
Kelvim Escobar (Ana) Bronson Arroyo (Bos)

Kevin Brown (NYY) Carlos Silva (Min)

Sat Oct 9, 2004
Undecided (Ana) Undecided (Bos)

Undecided (NYY) Johan Santana (Min)

John Thomson (Atl) Brandon Backe (Hou)

Matt Morris (StL) Jose Lima (LA)

Sun Oct 10, 2004
Undecided (Bos) Undecided (Ana)

Undecided (Min) Undecided (NYY)

Undecided (Atl) Undecided (Hou)

Undecided (StL) Undecided (LA)

Joe T Choker
10-07-2004, 03:58 PM
2-0 'Stros with 1 out and 1 on in the bottom of the 3rd

stanley
10-07-2004, 04:27 PM
on sportsnet they were talking about putting Schilling in for a possible game 4 on short rest. This is an absolutly horrible idea.
No, no. I can't see a world in which that happens. Ultimately, having Schilling on four days on the road as opposed to three in Fenway is a no-brainer.

In no world is pitching Schilling and Pedro is Games 4 and 5, respectively, a viable scenario. They're up 2-0! Somebody ought get Sportsnet a clue.

John Flyers Fan
10-07-2004, 05:07 PM
You think that's bad; you should have heard Susan Waldman, who now does post-game reporting for the Yankees' YES Network, when she was in the broadcast both. She made a comment about Jeter being the first player from the dugout to congratulate a teammate after the teammate hit a home run. It made me want to puke.


She's just brutal. I thanks God she no longer works for the fan.

Besides the fact that she sucks on the radio she grew up in New England and was a HUGE Red Sox fan ... then she moved to New York and became a HUGE Yankees fan.

That does NOT happen.

Ronnie Bass
10-07-2004, 05:35 PM
Atlanta - Boston is being played under protest.

David Puddy
10-07-2004, 06:01 PM
John Smoltz led off the ninth with single in 2-2 game.

Bobby Cox has called phone shannanigans against Phil Garner. Garner claimed that the phone to the bullpen wasn't working. Cox protest, I believe, is that the phone was fine, but Garner used it to get extra time for his reliever to get ready.

Joe T Choker
10-07-2004, 07:24 PM
1-0 Dodgers...

Werth goes Yard

HughJass*
10-07-2004, 07:47 PM
As much as I have to hear jack ***** at ESPN never giving the Braves proper dap, I wanted to put my foot through everyone's chest today as if the Braves were dead in this matchup against the 'Stros. If you were in a coma for a few days, they made it sound as if the Stros had a 3-0 game lead over the Bravos.

1-1, b*tch. Game on.

Braves to the Series.

Son of Steinbrenner
10-07-2004, 07:58 PM
No, no. I can't see a world in which that happens. Ultimately, having Schilling on four days on the road as opposed to three in Fenway is a no-brainer.

In no world is pitching Schilling and Pedro is Games 4 and 5, respectively, a viable scenario. They're up 2-0! Somebody ought get Sportsnet a clue.
i don't think blondie pitches on three days rest in this series simply because the red sox are going to pitch him twice on 3 days rest in the alcs. schilling is a horse but having him pitch on 3 days rest 4 times in two weeks could be a little to much to ask.

GKJ
10-07-2004, 08:06 PM
i don't think blondie pitches on three days rest in this series simply because the red sox are going to pitch him twice on 3 days rest in the alcs. schilling is a horse but having him pitch on 3 days rest 4 times in two weeks could be a little to much to ask.


if they win game 3, it might not be a problem

Son of Steinbrenner
10-07-2004, 08:15 PM
if they win game 3, it might not be a problem
we shall see

LuckyLUC20
10-07-2004, 08:15 PM
Weaver come on!

GKJ
10-07-2004, 08:27 PM
Weaver come on!


It's not really his fault...

Son of Steinbrenner
10-07-2004, 08:30 PM
does anybody like scooter?

Ronnie Bass
10-07-2004, 08:32 PM
does anybody like scooter?
Dude, I just hustled over to comment on that, WTF was that??

John Flyers Fan
10-07-2004, 08:39 PM
Green & Bradley with back-to-back jacks.

3-3.

That shot by Bradley was a mamoth blow.

Nuke Laloosh - " I had it like an egg."

Crash Davis - "He scrambled that sum*****."

Fish on The Sand
10-07-2004, 08:50 PM
does anybody like scooter?
I love scooter haha.

Scooter: unearned runs are runs scored off of errors. errors are what happens when kevin millar plays defence. look at me fly past a falling kevin, look at kevin jump out of the way. look at kevin roll around.

John Flyers Fan
10-07-2004, 08:55 PM
Cal Eldred couldn't hit water if he fell out of a ****in boat.

LuckyLUC20
10-07-2004, 09:04 PM
Dude, I just hustled over to comment on that, WTF was that??
It's Fox trying to be cool. :banghead:

GKJ
10-07-2004, 09:05 PM
He grooved that for Finley and he should have slammed that.

LuckyLUC20
10-07-2004, 09:07 PM
He grooved that for Finley and he should have slammed that.
He got under it.. he knew he missed it just by his reaction.

Ronnie Bass
10-07-2004, 09:08 PM
When in the hell did they start interviews managers during the game?? I'm old time, don't care for that at all. :(

Tuggy
10-07-2004, 09:15 PM
I just got in, what happened to Marquis? Gone after 3.1 innings? That bad?

LuckyLUC20
10-07-2004, 09:19 PM
I just got in, what happened to Marquis? Gone after 3.1 innings? That bad?
Gave up back to back jacks by Shawn Green and Milton Bradley. Then walked a couple of batters in the same inning. He was clearly struggling tonight.

GKJ
10-07-2004, 09:20 PM
I just got in, what happened to Marquis? Gone after 3.1 innings? That bad?


All 3 runs left the yard.

Tuggy
10-07-2004, 09:20 PM
Gave up back to back jacks by Shawn Green and Milton Bradley. Then walked a couple of batters in the same inning. He was clearly struggling tonight.

And so comes the hook :D Thanks

Tuggy
10-07-2004, 09:22 PM
Weaver diggin a hole here

LuckyLUC20
10-07-2004, 09:25 PM
Come on, Jeff.. regroup!

LuckyLUC20
10-07-2004, 09:27 PM
freakin Edmonds.. what a dive.

Tuggy
10-07-2004, 09:30 PM
Renteria singles to make it 4-3 Cards.

GKJ
10-07-2004, 09:31 PM
bloop single, 6-3 now.


Weaver should be done.

LuckyLUC20
10-07-2004, 10:51 PM
This sucks.

FlyersHomer DM03
10-07-2004, 11:03 PM
As much as I have to hear jack ***** at ESPN never giving the Braves proper dap, I wanted to put my foot through everyone's chest today as if the Braves were dead in this matchup against the 'Stros. If you were in a coma for a few days, they made it sound as if the Stros had a 3-0 game lead over the Bravos.

1-1, b*tch. Game on.

Braves to the Series.

can i get a...

the braves are well off for having split the first two games, they now face the back half of the stros rotation.

and yes, you are correct, on ESPN, jeff brantley needs to shut the (heck) up...he kept going "yeah the braves need to work out the kinks in their new ballpark". The Astros are the darlings of everyone because they came from such a huge defecit in the standings...but the bias ESPN put against Atlanta is ridiculous (barring David Justice, who is incredibly unbiased).

The Braves let several opportunites slip by tonight, but they still gutted out a win, thats fine with me.

Hockeyfan02
10-08-2004, 02:02 PM
Daily thoughts:

I think Garner made a bad move in taking Oswalt out. I didnt see the real reason to it since he had been pretty much shutting the Braves down all day. I think he should have let Oswalt finish the inning then turn it over to Lidge. Astros offense didnt do much yesterday. Nice matchup of closers for 3 innings between Smoltz and Lidge, its rare you see that. Furcal has been the most dangerous Brave in this series, he seems to be a threat to get on base every AB and has been dangerous on the base paths. It'll be interesting to see if Houstons home field streak holds up, if the Braves will continue their dominance of the Astros in the postseason, and whos going to pitch for the Astros the rest of the series.

Dodgers have had a nice run but I think their season is as good as over. The Cardinal bats are really too much to handle and the Dodgers dont have the starters that can contain em long enough to get to Gagne. Dodgers defense let Weaver down in the 2nd inning when the Cards put up a few runs. Cards 6-8 hitters came through and thats scary because the big guns didnt do much. It shows you how good of a lineup they really have.

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 03:21 PM
Lets Go Red Sox!

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 04:23 PM
75+ pitches for Escobar through 3 innings...I'd say he's about out of gas...what a game plan executed flawlessly by the Red Sox hitters working the counts repeatedly

Dr Love
10-08-2004, 04:31 PM
Well I just about vomited hearing Blowman call Kevin Media-***** Millar "Don Mattingly." Ah, the mute button.

Fish on The Sand
10-08-2004, 04:35 PM
1st and second nobody out, Bellhorn up, 2-0 count. Sox could end this right here. He walks, bases juiced, noone out Manny, then Ortiz, then Nixon. Sox are in the alcs for the 2nd straight year.

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 04:35 PM
Escobar = DONE

Man Ram with the bases loaded and no outs...hhhmmm

Fish on The Sand
10-08-2004, 04:39 PM
omg I got all excited there haha. Mueller counts though, 3-1. Ortiz will drive home a couple or more....

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 04:41 PM
*cues Franz Ferdinand's Take Me Out*

Manny missed it by 1 or 2 inches...maybe

Fish on The Sand
10-08-2004, 04:46 PM
did I call it or did I call it, mind you only one run scored, but runners 2nd and 3rd with 1 out, and 2 already in aint bad, especially with Nixon up followed by Varitek I think.

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 04:47 PM
did I call it or did I call it, mind you only one run scored, but runners 2nd and 3rd with 1 out, and 2 already in aint bad, especially with Nixon up followed by Varitek I think.

Shields is missing by an inch or two here and an inch or two there...bases loaded coming up ;)

Fish on The Sand
10-08-2004, 04:47 PM
intentional walk, Millar has a huge chance to end this right now.

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 04:49 PM
Error to the shortstop...5-1

Fish on The Sand
10-08-2004, 04:49 PM
Eckstein boots it, unearned run, bases still loaded, this time for Varitek. Varitek hits a rally killer, but not before 3 runs score.

Fish on The Sand
10-08-2004, 04:54 PM
Arroyo just made Molina look foolish. What an ugly swing. Wow, what a play by Varitek :jump:

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 04:56 PM
Arroyo just made Molina look foolish. What an ugly swing. Wow, what a play by Varitek :jump:

agreed...he deserves a gold glove one of these years

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 04:57 PM
What a devastating curve by Arroyo to retire the side :eek: :yo:

David Puddy
10-08-2004, 05:00 PM
Arroyo looks like Pedro circa 1999 -- 5 IP, 0 BB, 6 K's, 2 hits, 1 ER.

Fish on The Sand
10-08-2004, 05:09 PM
Mueller scores. Wow

ATG
10-08-2004, 05:26 PM
Not even the monkey could save them now

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 05:30 PM
yes yes yes yes...Santana to start game 4 of the Yankees-Twins series

:yo: :banana: :teach: :bow: :handclap:

Fish on The Sand
10-08-2004, 05:40 PM
what a start from Arroyo. This is, dare I say, the best team in Red Sox history?

Douggy
10-08-2004, 05:57 PM
OH MAN!!! Vladdy IS CLUTCH!!!! :yo:

ATG
10-08-2004, 05:57 PM
Not even the monkey could save them now

Forget i said that.Vladdy with a grand slam 6-6

Douggy
10-08-2004, 05:57 PM
Not even the monkey could save them now
What about a dude named Guererro?? :bow:

Hockeyfan02
10-08-2004, 05:59 PM
I am stunned.

ATG
10-08-2004, 06:00 PM
What if the monkey was named Guererro??

One strong monkey then

VO #23
10-08-2004, 06:02 PM
F U VLADDY! :madfire: :mad: :madfire:

VO #23
10-08-2004, 06:03 PM
what a start from Arroyo. This is, dare I say, the best team in Red Sox history?

Oh yeah, and zip it.

The Guy on the Couch*
10-08-2004, 07:22 PM
<3 David Ortiz.

John Flyers Fan
10-08-2004, 07:23 PM
WTF .. why bring in Washburn ???

Saving Percival for next year ???

Joe T Choker
10-08-2004, 08:49 PM
****...this Yankees-Twins game is pretty much over

GKJ
10-08-2004, 09:20 PM
****...this Yankees-Twins game is pretty much over


I want the Yankees. I want them to bring it.

GKJ
10-08-2004, 09:22 PM
I dindt get to see the game, but it looks like the Angels made their comeback when Arroyo got pulled. Was he winded or struggling? I saw 2 guys got on base. The first thing i thought of was the anti-Grady Little in Francona.

Chartrand
10-08-2004, 09:55 PM
I think Arroyo walked the first man and that was it for him. He said, postgame, that he still felt strong enough to go atleast two more...but most pitchers say that.

First postseason start and his numbers compare favorably to Schilling's and Pedro's starts in the series.

Hockeyfan02
10-08-2004, 10:57 PM
Wow what a crazy game in Boston today. Gotta hand it to the Angels for coming back from that and not giving up, shades of the 02 team but it wasnt meant to be. Ortiz came up huge today 2 doubles for him is unbelieveable considering his size. KRod, Foulke, Donnelly, and Arroyo all pitched huge for their teams today. Have to question the move to bring in Washburn when KRod was looking lights out. Other than that Sciosia made all the right moves today to get his team in the game. Francona's best move was leaving Ortiz in the game in the 8th, I thought for sure Roberts was coming in. I could probably go on and on about this game, but I like to keep it to one paragraph. MVP of this series for me: Manny Ramierez .385 average, 1 hr, 7 rbis, 3 runs, was a factor offensively in all the games. My goat of the series: Garret Anderson, .154 average, 0 rbis, 1 run...I expected more but he was looking hurt all series.

Twins got to Brown early, but after that Brown cruised. Big outing for him with all the questions going in about the Yankees starting pitching. I didnt think Torre needed to bring in Rivera, but the Yanks wanted the strangle hold on the series and Rivera shut down the Twins rally. Jeter with a big night tonight, with the exception of that throw into the dugout. Best postseason SS of all time for sure, not gonna call him the best SS of all time just yet because the guy to his right is a much better SS. Santana needs to pitch the game of his life tommorow to keep this alive. Twins could still pull this out with Radke going in game 5 but they need to get to game 4 for them to have a chance.

Bruinster*
10-09-2004, 09:30 AM
As a Red Sox and Baseball fan, I prey for a Red Sox-Yankees series, even with the lost, last year serie was incredible .

GKJ
10-09-2004, 09:53 AM
As a Red Sox and Baseball fan, I prey for a Red Sox-Yankees series, even with the lost, last year serie was incredible .


I'm wanting the Twins to win, but I have been going around saying I want the Yankees.

Tuggy
10-09-2004, 01:10 PM
Great start for the Astros :handclap: Beltran has a 2 run jack! Currently 2-0 bot 3 in Houston.

Tuggy
10-09-2004, 01:57 PM
Looks like Vazquez gets the nod for the Yanks today, that should be interesting. While Santana is going on 3 days rest.

Ronnie Bass
10-09-2004, 02:08 PM
As a Red Sox and Baseball fan, I prey for a Red Sox-Yankees series, even with the lost, last year serie was incredible .

The only way to take care of a jinx is to meet it head on.

John Flyers Fan
10-09-2004, 02:16 PM
The only was to take care of a jinx is to meet it head on.

Root hard for Santana and the Twins today. At least then Mussina will have to pitch.

Then you'd have the following match-ups

Tues. Schilling - Lieber
Wed. Pedro - Brown
Fri. Arroyo - Mussina
Sat. Schilling/Wakefield - Vazquez/El Duque
Sun. Schilling/Wakefield - Lieber
Tue. Pedro - Brown
Wed. Schilling/Arroyo - Mussina

canadahockeygirl*
10-09-2004, 02:23 PM
<3 David Ortiz.
I have never seen as many men at a baseball park cry as many times as I did last night-- first when Vlad hit the dinger, then when Ortiz (lovingly known here as Shrek) blasted it over the Monster.

Absolutely awesome game... My opinion of Manny Ramirez would have totally been changed had he been able to come through first... luckily someone did!

Fish on The Sand
10-09-2004, 03:25 PM
I have never seen as many men at a baseball park cry as many times as I did last night-- first when Vlad hit the dinger, then when Ortiz (lovingly known here as Shrek) blasted it over the Monster.

Absolutely awesome game... My opinion of Manny Ramirez would have totally been changed had he been able to come through first... luckily someone did!
He was clearly the best player in the series though, that's not enough to change your opinion?

Hockeyfan02
10-09-2004, 03:50 PM
Brutal call in Twins/Yankees game today. They called Jones out at 2nd on a steal when Jeter never touched him. 1-0 Twins after 1.

Joe T Choker
10-09-2004, 03:54 PM
Brutal call in Twins/Yankees game today. They called Jones out at 2nd on a steal when Jeter never touched him. 1-0 Twins after 1.

my god that was a horrible call by the ump...he shouldn't be allowed to be in uniform for the rest of this series and the rest of the postseason, that was just terrible! :shakehead :mad: :banghead:

mackdogs*
10-09-2004, 03:56 PM
The Yankees do seem to get the majority of the calls it seems, but that was just bad. That could be very important later on.

Dr Love
10-09-2004, 04:57 PM
Sheffield makes the highlights for all the wrong reasons.

Ronnie Bass
10-09-2004, 05:08 PM
Does anbody realize that the Astros have NEVER won a playoff series? That's amazing, they have had some pretty good teams in the past.

BubbaBoot
10-09-2004, 05:08 PM
The Yankees do seem to get the majority of the calls it seems, but that was just bad. That could be very important later on.
Happened last year too...the phantom tag by Soriano(?) last year on a double play....didn't even come close to the runner and it killed a rally/momentum. Sox fans went beserk when they saw th reeplay and littered the field with debris.

Dr Love
10-09-2004, 05:09 PM
Does anbody realize that the Astros have NEVER won a playoff series? That's amazing, they have had some pretty good teams in the past.
Yup, which is why it's interesting they're playing the Braves, who are nearly as futile given all their chances.

Ronnie Bass
10-09-2004, 05:15 PM
Yup, which is why it's interesting they're playing the Braves, who are nearly as futile given all their chances.

What is it like, 12 or 13 divison titles in a row, just one World Series title? That is pathetic.

BubbaBoot
10-09-2004, 05:22 PM
He was clearly the best player in the series though, that's not enough to change your opinion?
Um, Johnny Damon had 7 hits / .467 / 4 runs / 3 SB's / 8 TB / and a couple of stellar plays in the field.
Ortiz 6 hits / .545 / 4 runs / 4 RBI's / 5 BB - 2 K / 1.000 SLUG% / 11 TB
Manny 5 hits / .385 / 3 runs / 7 RBI's / 1 BB - 4 K / 10 TB

I'd say it's pretty much neck & beard & dreds....

BubbaBoot
10-09-2004, 05:26 PM
What is it like, 12 or 13 divison titles in a row, just one World Series title? That is pathetic.
Yuh know...I've always found this mindboggling....2nd, 3rd place or 4th out of 30 teams is pathetic.
With all the crappy teams, (hello Mets), that haven't made the playoffs in years, the Baves are pathetic?
I guess the Minnesota Vikings just sucked and Elway was a crappy QB until he won that Super Bowl, eh?

Ronnie Bass
10-09-2004, 05:36 PM
Yuh know...I've always found this mindboggling....2nd, 3rd place or 4th out of 30 teams is pathetic.
With all the crappy teams, (hello Mets), that haven't made the playoffs in years, the Baves are pathetic?
I guess the Minnesota Vikings just sucked and Elway was a crappy QB until he won that Super Bowl, eh?

How in the hell did you know I was a Mets fan?? Man, want to talk about pathetic? :lol

Nah your right, it doesn't make a team truely pathetic, but if I was the fan of the Braves I would feel pissed off, frustrated, teased and just plain tired of being Cinderalla just about every year, espicially with the talent that they have had over the years, but that's me.

Better? :p:

David Puddy
10-09-2004, 05:38 PM
Happened last year too...the phantom tag by Soriano(?) last year on a double play....didn't even come close to the runner and it killed a rally/momentum. Sox fans went beserk when they saw th reeplay and littered the field with debris.
In the 1999 ALCS, two straight games ended on bad calls. In both instances, Nomar, who was crushing the ball, was about to come to the plate.

Hockeyfan02
10-09-2004, 05:38 PM
Um, Johnny Damon had 7 hits / .467 / 4 runs / 3 SB's / 8 TB / and a couple of stellar plays in the field.
Ortiz 6 hits / .545 / 4 runs / 4 RBI's / 5 BB - 2 K / 1.000 SLUG% / 11 TB
Manny 5 hits / .385 / 3 runs / 7 RBI's / 1 BB - 4 K / 10 TB

I'd say it's pretty much neck & beard & dreds....

I'd give the edge to Manny because he was an offensive factor in all 3 of the games. But anyway it doesnt really matter because all 3 had a big series and delivered for the Sox which is what they needed. To me the key to the series was the matchup between Vlad and Manny, whoever performed better their team would win the series and it was clearly Manny who outdueled Vlad.

Chartrand
10-09-2004, 05:44 PM
Happened last year too...the phantom tag by Soriano(?) last year on a double play....didn't even come close to the runner and it killed a rally/momentum. Sox fans went beserk when they saw th reeplay and littered the field with debris.

Of course, let's not forget the first phantom tag:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brew/image/1999/oct/chuck1017.jpg

What a coincidence...it looks like Mr. Knoblauch is wearing <gasp> a Yankees uniform.

Ronnie Bass
10-09-2004, 06:29 PM
God Damn Yankees!!! :mad:

All tied up 5-5.

DJ Spinoza
10-09-2004, 06:32 PM
I really, really hate the Yankees. :banghead:

Fish on The Sand
10-09-2004, 06:33 PM
Yup, which is why it's interesting they're playing the Braves, who are nearly as futile given all their chances.
Half of the 'stros playoff exits are vs the braves. Most recently in 2002, again in 99, and I believe 97 as well.

Ronnie Bass
10-09-2004, 06:33 PM
I really, really hate the Yankees. :banghead:

Yeah, but ya gotta admit, they got guts.

Fish on The Sand
10-09-2004, 06:34 PM
Ron Gardenhire is an idiot. If the Yankees go on to win, Gardenhire is soley responsible for not 1, but 2 losses this series. Also, the Twins are a vastly overrated team. Average rotation, weak pen, and a poor hitting team. As soon as the tribe and Chisox get some consistancy, we are looking at a 3rd place team.

BubbaBoot
10-09-2004, 06:48 PM
How in the hell did you know I was a Mets fan?? Man, want to talk about pathetic? :lol

Nah your right, it doesn't make a team truely pathetic, but if I was the fan of the Braves I would feel pissed off, frustrated, teased and just plain tired of being Cinderalla just about every year, espicially with the talent that they have had over the years, but that's me.

Better? :p:
Yeah.....I would be frustrated too, and as a Red Sox fan I can emulate....but it certainly ain't pathetic.

Ronnie Bass
10-09-2004, 06:53 PM
ARod lead off the ninth with a double. *sigh*

Joe T Choker
10-09-2004, 07:03 PM
ARod lead off the ninth with a double. *sigh*

Nathan > ALL

FearTheFlyers
10-09-2004, 07:16 PM
. As soon as the tribe and Chisox get some consistancy, we are looking at a 3rd place team.

Yeah, I seem to remeber hearing this last year, and the year before, and the year before, and...

Hockeyfan02
10-09-2004, 07:34 PM
6-5 Yankees...ARod scores on a wild pitch.

GKJ
10-09-2004, 07:35 PM
what the hell happened to the twins? I just got home, I know they were up 5-1

GKJ
10-09-2004, 07:44 PM
Yankees/Red Sox ALCS.




Bring it.

The Guy on the Couch*
10-09-2004, 07:45 PM
Nice. :gman:

Hockeyfan02
10-09-2004, 07:46 PM
what the hell happened to the twins? I just got home, I know they were up 5-1

Juan Rincon happened.

Joe T Choker
10-09-2004, 07:49 PM
what the hell happened to the twins? I just got home, I know they were up 5-1

their was some spotty umpiring in this game, to say the least

Ronnie Bass
10-09-2004, 07:51 PM
Does anybody else sick of those stupid American Airline commercials, that one where the guy can't remember his daughters new boyfriend but that attendant at the gate somehow does, give me a break.

Dr Love
10-09-2004, 07:55 PM
Does anybody else sick of those stupid American Airline commercials, that one where the guy can't remember his daughters new boyfriend but that attendant at the gate somehow does, give me a break.
It's not quite as annoying as the cover of Phil Collins that they keep using as a bumper. It's one of the few times that Phil Collins actually rocks harder than somebody else.

Son of Steinbrenner
10-09-2004, 07:57 PM
now the real fun begins
:snide:

HughJass*
10-09-2004, 08:06 PM
Speaking of spotty umpiring, this Dodgers/Cards game is a joke at the moment. First, a ball hits the end of Alex Cora's bat, but he immediately acts as if he's hit by a pitch. Then, Jose Lima lays down a phantom bunt and everyone is safe. Cora could have been called out, but the real issue is the fact that I said "phantom" because the ball came off the ground and hit Lima's bat again. He should have been called out. This inning should have been over 10 minutes ago.

Uh oh, runs finally came across the plate. Bad breaks for Matt Morris, courtesy of crappy umpiring. Cora and Lima both score when both men had noooooooo business being on base.

Dr Love
10-09-2004, 08:07 PM
LIMA TIME!!! BELIEVE IT!!!



"it" most likly being 5 runs in 6 IP

HughJass*
10-09-2004, 08:11 PM
Also, the Twins are a vastly overrated team. Average rotation, weak pen, and a poor hitting team. As soon as the tribe and Chisox get some consistancy, we are looking at a 3rd place team.

Yeah, for the past few years the Chisox and Indians have been so much better. Thank God for......uhhhhmmm...not winning a damn thing and being out of post season contention every year :shakehead

Stop smoking that Chronic, dude. Don't be a hater.

GKJ
10-09-2004, 08:25 PM
Speaking of spotty umpiring, this Dodgers/Cards game is a joke at the moment. First, a ball hits the end of Alex Cora's bat, but he immediately acts as if he's hit by a pitch. Then, Jose Lima lays down a phantom bunt and everyone is safe. Cora could have been called out, but the real issue is the fact that I said "phantom" because the ball came off the ground and hit Lima's bat again. He should have been called out. This inning should have been over 10 minutes ago.

Uh oh, runs finally came across the plate. Bad breaks for Matt Morris, courtesy of crappy umpiring. Cora and Lima both score when both men had noooooooo business being on base.


they need instant replay.

Fish on The Sand
10-09-2004, 08:35 PM
Yeah, for the past few years the Chisox and Indians have been so much better. Thank God for......uhhhhmmm...not winning a damn thing and being out of post season contention every year :shakehead

Stop smoking that Chronic, dude. Don't be a hater.
Not so much the tribe, but the chisox have had problems staying healthy, and if they did stay healthy there is no doubt in my mind the twins have at most 1 playoff appearance since 1991. Indians obviously havent been better, but I think right now they are, and next year will be the proof. They have a better overall rotation(obviously not a dominant ace like Santana, but after that its pretty thin for the twins), and the bullpen is looking a lot better, especially if Sauerbeck pitches like last year. Not to mention an offence which is top 5 in the majors. Obviously the Twins had to win the games they did to get where they got, so I can't take anything away from them, but they are a vastly overrated team, and the past 2 years have exposed them for exactly that.

Fish on The Sand
10-09-2004, 08:38 PM
Juan Rincon happened.
Ron Gardenhire happened is a better way of putting things.

Santana pitched 5 inning, allowed 1 run, and threw only 87 pitches. Granted he was on short rest, but your bullpen is already pretty bad, and its not like you couldn't have gotten another inning from Santana, probably 2. What was he saving Santana for, a possible relief appearance on monday? Gardenhire said he thought Santana was done, if he was done, he wouldnt have struck out 4 of the last 6 he faced. he was just getting into his groove. This coupled with the absolutly insane and inept decision to pitch Nathan 3 inning in game 2 should end his tenure with the twins.

The Guy on the Couch*
10-09-2004, 08:47 PM
Some real dumb plays by the Twins. Ron Gardenhire is an idiot.

First(actually, not first, they made dumb plays the entire series) they let A-rod steal 3rd base because they paid NO attention to him on 2nd.

Then Pat Borders tries to backstab that wild pitch. Doesn't even put his body in front to try and block it. That's your SEASON on the line there, chief.

LuckyLUC20
10-09-2004, 09:05 PM
Lima Time!!!!

Hockeyfan02
10-09-2004, 09:20 PM
Jose Lima is pitching the biggest game of his life. I think hes the funniest pitcher in the majors with all the stuff he does. For what hes been through it was great to see him come off the mound in the 8th.

GKJ
10-09-2004, 09:28 PM
You'll get to see him come off the mound again, he's coming out for the 9th.

FearTheFlyers
10-09-2004, 09:30 PM
You'll get to see him come off the mound again, he's coming out for the 9th.

:eek: Lima over Gagne?

Joe T Choker
10-09-2004, 09:30 PM
You'll get to see him come off the mound again, he's coming out for the 9th.

if ANYONE gets on...Gags is coming in...I would almost put my bank account balance on it.

Tuggy
10-09-2004, 09:37 PM
Great job Lima!! :handclap: Well deserved man!

FearTheFlyers
10-09-2004, 09:37 PM
Lima retires the side in the ninth :yo: :banana: :bow: :jump: :amazed:

GKJ
10-09-2004, 09:40 PM
Awsome. Now Gagne can go 3 innings tomorrow.



Wishful thinking.

LuckyLUC20
10-09-2004, 09:41 PM
Lima is truly one of the good guys. I'm so happy to see him get a complete game out of this. He has worked hard all year long. He was an invitee to the Dodgers' spring training camp, and look at him now. He gave the Dodgers their first victory in the post season since 1988. Wow... Go Lima Time!!!!

Shawn Green hit 2 homers! Steve Finley came up big with the bases loaded. There was some controversy in that same inning with Lima's bunt. He should've been out.. but I'll take it.

Go Dodgers!!!

Joe T Choker
10-09-2004, 09:43 PM
Lima is truly one of the good guys. I'm so happy to see him get a complete game out of this. He has worked hard all year long. He was an invitee to the Dodgers' spring training camp, and look at him now. He gave the Dodgers their first victory in the post season since 1988. Wow... Go Lima Time!!!!

Shawn Green hit 2 homers! Steve Finley came up big with the bases loaded. There was some controversy in that same inning with Lima's bunt. He should've been out.. but I'll take it.

Go Dodgers!!!

That was such a great post-game interview with Lima...he's a class guy and a guy that MLB should promote more in their promos

:handclap: Dodgers :handclap: Lima Time

two out of three*
10-09-2004, 09:46 PM
I have never witnessed an energy EVER like the energy that was shown at Dodger Stadium tonight. WOW, brought a tear to my eye.

LuckyLUC20
10-09-2004, 09:49 PM
That was such a great post-game interview with Lima...he's a class guy and a guy that MLB should promote more in their promos

:handclap: Dodgers :handclap: Lima Time
Most Definitely! You have to love this guy's spirit, his attitude.. etc. He's a competitor. He wants the ball in a big game and he showed why tonight. He shut out the most potent offense in the National League! A team that has killed the Dodgers' starters in the first two games. The best thing about Lima is he never turns down an autograph. He signs autographs for hours before games and after games. He's a quality guy.. always doing something for the community.

You've gotta see him with his Salsa Band... lol, he's crazy. :banana:

Son of Steinbrenner
10-09-2004, 09:52 PM
whats the pitching matchups for the games tommorow?

John Flyers Fan
10-09-2004, 09:54 PM
whats the pitching matchups for the games tommorow?

Russ Ortiz vs. Clemens on 3 days rest

I think it will be Woody Williams vs. Odalis Perez in the other game

Son of Steinbrenner
10-09-2004, 09:58 PM
Russ Ortiz vs. Clemens on 3 days rest

I think it will be Woody Williams vs. Odalis Perez in the other game
wow thats a risk with clemens on three days rest i don't know what his stats are doing it but i remember with the yankees he never looked comfortable.

i say astros wrap it up tommorow though while the dodgers push it to game 5. i wonder if they would dare start jeff weaver?

Hockeyfan02
10-09-2004, 09:58 PM
Daily game thoughts:

Astros have found a 3rd starter in Brandon Backe. Had a bad inning in the 3rd but the rest of the game he just cruised. Beltran is having a real coming out party. Game 2 was probably the ribs because hes been mashing the ball in the other 2 games. Astros seem to be a different team at their home park with 19 wins in a row. Ensberg had a quiet 3 rbi day, not bad for them to get that kind of production outside the 2-5 guys. Anyone seen JD Drew or Chipper Jones? :dunno: Booby Cox needs a rehaul of his lineup, Andruw Jones should be hitting higher than 7th, hes carrying their offense right now.

Twins choked this series away theres no doubt about it. They had 2 games in the bag and blew it. This series should be a Twins win or in todays case going to back to New York. Santana left with a 4 run lead and it should have been over at that point. Yankees are a resiliant club, but the Twins handed them this series. Gardenhire made some questionable moves especially in game 2 and today leaving Rincon who was starting to slip. I thought Borders should have stopped the ball that got by him to score the run. Twins should be dissapointed because they werent outplayed, they were the better team but blew it. My MVP of the series: Alex Rodrieguez: Made some big defensive plays in the field and got some big hits in the late innings for the Yankees. 3 doubles, 2 stolen bases, .421 average, 1 hr, 3rbis. My goat: Ron Gardenhire. Made some questionable moves leaving Nathan in game 2 and leaving Rincon in today. Red Sox/Yankees will be fun to watch.

Jose Lima pitched the game of his life tonight. I didnt think it could be done but the Cards bats were completely silenced tonight. Best pitching performance of this postseason and will probably be of the entire playoffs IMO. Questionable calls in the 3rd will be talked about for sure. Shawn Green has been carrying the Dodgers offense and hes going to need some help if the Dodgers want to force a game 5. 2-7 hitters for the Cards went 2 for 21. :amazed:

John Flyers Fan
10-09-2004, 10:01 PM
wow thats a risk with clemens on three days rest i don't know what his stats are doing it but i remember with the yankees he never looked comfortable.

i say astros wrap it up tommorow though while the dodgers push it to game 5. i wonder if they would dare start jeff weaver?

Garner is an idiot for starting Clemens on 3 days rest with the Astos up 2-1.

Clemens era on 3 days rest is over 9. :eek:

Chaos
10-09-2004, 10:02 PM
Garner is an idiot for starting Clemens on 3 days rest with the Astos up 2-1.

I agree...what makes it worse is if they lose, then they have Oswalt on 3 days rest back in Atlanta.

Hockeyfan02
10-09-2004, 10:03 PM
wow thats a risk with clemens on three days rest i don't know what his stats are doing it but i remember with the yankees he never looked comfortable.

i say astros wrap it up tommorow though while the dodgers push it to game 5. i wonder if they would dare start jeff weaver?

Clemens on 3 days rest is better than Redding or Munro who both have eras over 5.

Weaver is slated to go against Woody Williams in game 5. Marquis is schedueled to go tommorow but Williams is on normal rest. If I'm Larussa though I save Williams for game 5.

Son of Steinbrenner
10-09-2004, 10:05 PM
Garner is an idiot for starting Clemens on 3 days rest with the Astos up 2-1.

Clemens era on 3 days rest is over 9. :eek:
i knew it had to be pretty high but a 60% roger clemens could still muscle out a win but its a huge risk because oswalt would also have to pitch on 3 days rest. i really don't follow the NL who is the 4th starter the astros are passing over?

GKJ
10-09-2004, 10:07 PM
Garner is an idiot for starting Clemens on 3 days rest with the Astos up 2-1.

Clemens era on 3 days rest is over 9. :eek:

I agree. I'd take my chances with Munro. This isn't a must win, and the Astros hitters already have a lot of confidence, plus the Astros haven't lost a game at home in about 16 years.

John Flyers Fan
10-09-2004, 10:24 PM
i knew it had to be pretty high but a 60% roger clemens could still muscle out a win but its a huge risk because oswalt would also have to pitch on 3 days rest. i really don't follow the NL who is the 4th starter the astros are passing over?

They really don't have one. With Pettite and Wade Miller out hurt, they have very little starting pitching.

two out of three*
10-09-2004, 10:25 PM
If you were Dodger Manager Jim Tracy, would you start Odalis Perez, or a different pitcher? Edwin Jackson? Kaz Ishii? For sure NOT Hideo Nomo. Wilson Alvarez? Personally Alvarez seems like a good idea IMO, because I think Odalis will struggle on just 3-days rest.

GKJ
10-09-2004, 10:30 PM
Ishii and Nomo are not on the post season roster.



Why Ishii is not on it...God only knows.

Son of Steinbrenner
10-10-2004, 02:20 AM
i know one thing about lima he has the hottest wife in sports.

Ironchef Chris Wok*
10-10-2004, 03:27 AM
I'd give the edge to Manny because he was an offensive factor in all 3 of the games. But anyway it doesnt really matter because all 3 had a big series and delivered for the Sox which is what they needed. To me the key to the series was the matchup between Vlad and Manny, whoever performed better their team would win the series and it was clearly Manny who outdueled Vlad.

As a Red Sox fan...

Manny Ramirez was a joke in LF in game 2. What an absolute disgrace of an outfielder.

The thing is... he CAN be good. That's what pisses me off. It's not like he was Jeremy Giambi in that he just can't field. He can make these spectacular plays and great throws, but sometimes he's just terrible.

Joe T Choker
10-10-2004, 12:57 PM
Russ Ortiz is getting OWNED today by Craig Biggio...a double to start the game and a 3 run homer...hehehe

Fish on The Sand
10-10-2004, 02:19 PM
Clemens, like Santana was pulled after 5 and 87 pitches and like the twins pen they immediatly give back the lead. Qualls goes single, out, double, home run.

hardcore_fan
10-10-2004, 02:41 PM
Russ Ortiz is getting OWNED today by Craig Biggio...a double to start the game and a 3 run homer...hehehe
And now Biggio is out of the game, and I'm mystified as to why?

Joe T Choker
10-10-2004, 03:27 PM
Garner should be castrated, horrible job of managing the game...you never pull your best player out of the game when he's destroying the opponents pitching...time for Beltran and Co to get their stuff together

John Flyers Fan
10-10-2004, 03:28 PM
Garner should be castrated, horrible job of managing the game...you never pull your best player out of the game when he's destroying the opponents pitching...time for Beltran and Co to get their ****** together

Garner mistakes today:

#1. Starting Clemens on 3 days rest.

#2. Double switch taking Biggio out.

#3. No-double switch, which forces you to take Lidge out.

Joe T Choker
10-10-2004, 03:35 PM
Garner is gonna get killed in the post game press-conference

John Flyers Fan
10-10-2004, 03:36 PM
Smoltz is a complete stud.

John Flyers Fan
10-10-2004, 03:37 PM
Garner is gonna get killed in the post game press-conference

Which can be seen on ESPNews.

Fish on The Sand
10-10-2004, 03:39 PM
Garner mistakes today:

#1. Starting Clemens on 3 days rest.
I don't consider that a mistake, I consider taking him out a mistake. What's the point in starting somebody if you plan on pulling them after anything fewer than 6 innings? What a waste of your staff ace.

John Flyers Fan
10-10-2004, 03:49 PM
I don't consider that a mistake, I consider taking him out a mistake. What's the point in starting somebody if you plan on pulling them after anything fewer than 6 innings? What a waste of your staff ace.

Their bullpen sucks. They knew that Clemens on 3 days reast would only be able to give them 5 or 6 good innings.

If Clemens is on full rest in game 5 he can give them 7 or 8.


Oswalt will also have to go on 3 days rest tommorow, and chances are they'll be going to that shaky bullpen early again tomorrow.

Joe T Choker
10-10-2004, 03:56 PM
Houston fans are praying for a rainout tomorrow with Tropical Storm

http://www.w3.weather.com/weather/map/USGA0028?from=LAPmaps

This game is almost certainly gonna be played on Tuesday...normal rest for Oswalt

GKJ
10-10-2004, 06:44 PM
LIMA TIME! BELEIVE IT!



oh...sorry

Joe T Choker
10-10-2004, 07:27 PM
1-0 Dodgers

Jayson Werth dials 9 for long distance!

Booo YAH

Hockeyfan02
10-10-2004, 07:49 PM
1-0 Dodgers

Jayson Werth dials 9 for long distance!

Booo YAH

1-1.

Reggie Sanders hit the redial button. ;)

Joe T Choker
10-10-2004, 08:11 PM
2-1 Cardinals

Odalis Perez pulled

John Flyers Fan
10-10-2004, 08:16 PM
2-1 Cardinals

Odalis Perez pulled

The Dodgers starting pitching is an abomination.

GKJ
10-10-2004, 08:23 PM
The Dodgers starting pitching is an abomination.


Except when it's....LIMA TIME!



BELEIVE IT!

LuckyLUC20
10-10-2004, 08:27 PM
Freakin Odalis... Wilson Alvarez struck out both Edmonds and Sanders to end the inning. It's all up to the bullpen now.

Let's get some timely hits, please!!! Go Dodgers!!!