Brad Boyes

Just moved into first place in AHL scoring with 10 points! :clap:

Just moved into first place in AHL scoring with 10 points! :clap:

:cry: Curtis Brown :cry:

Suglobov is tied for 3rd now with 7 points in 4 games. All 7 in the two home games.

:cry: Curtis Brown :cry:
:joker: And now he is with Chicago.

Congrats to Brad Boyes

although he did get 75% of his goals in this one game

Congrats to Brad Boyes

although he did get 75% of his goals in this one game
He has his 10 points in the last three games. He registered nothing the first game.

Wish the Barons still had him. Wishing him well though.

Seems those 15pds of muscle he put on this summer are paying off...

He's got a job in the NHL when it starts up...

Good for him. Hope he does well with the Broonz, there's no room down the middle in Toronto anyways.

He has his 10 points in the last three games. He registered nothing the first game.

Ummm... Brad Boyes scored the first P-Bruins goal of the season in Game 1 of the season against Springfield. He's had points in all four of Providence's games.

Good for him. Hope he does well with the Broonz, there's no room down the middle in Toronto anyways.

I'm sure the Leafs would find room for him if they could have him back. Boyes was the only good forward prospect that the Leafs had and they trade him, MacAuley & a pick for ???

Owen Nolan. :lol

What a brutal deal.

Boyes was the only good forward prospect that the Leafs had

Yeah, because obviously Matt Stajan and Alexander Steen are terrible prospects to have at center...:speechles

Yeah, because obviously Matt Stajan and Alexander Steen are terrible prospects to have at center...:speechles

I never said terrible. Plus, when the deal went down, Stajan & Steen were not as highly thought of as they are now.

Also, I don't think Stajan will be anything more than 3rd line centre in the NHL. Haven't seen enough of Steen to comment but it still doesn't take away from the fact that the Leafs would love to take that deal back. It's no big deal, every team has a few trades they would like to reverse. This is one for the Leafs.

:joker: And now he is with Chicago.

Yeah, and did absolutely nothing for San Jose in the playoffs. I still wonder what could have been if we had him for last year's Calder Cup playoffs.

I never said terrible. Plus, when the deal went down, Stajan & Steen were not as highly thought of as they are now.


Why do you think the Leafs were willing to give up Boyes? Steen was already more talented and Stajan was a virtual clone. Sharks made out nice in that deal but its not like Nolan is doin jack for Toronto. One of the top warriors in the game.

Yeah, and did absolutely nothing for San Jose in the playoffs. I still wonder what could have been if we had him for last year's Calder Cup playoffs.

Yea but Adam this has been discussed in the past...the Sharks are trying to win a cup for themselves not the Barons. Hindsight the deal busted but at the time the Sharks needed a good two-way guy to fill out their lines and Brown fits that bill nicely.

Yea but Adam this has been discussed in the past...the Sharks are trying to win a cup for themselves not the Barons. Hindsight the deal busted but at the time the Sharks needed a good two-way guy to fill out their lines and Brown fits that bill nicely.
Brown is gone and Boyes still has the potential to become a very good second line centre. He will benefit from the lockout and once it's over, he should easily win a spot on the Bruins opening night roster.

Well, as hard as it is to see what Brown did in the playoffs and how good Boyes is doing.

It was good to see Goc out perform Brown in the playoffs :) and Goc now taking over Boyes spot, is 4th in scoring so far and doesn't have Patrice Bergerone or Miro Zalesak on his line either.

I remember saying a big part of moving Boyes was to get Goc 1st line ice time in Cleveland.

Anywho, I'll always have a soft spot for Boyes and I hope he does well, but can he hack in the NHL? He sure looked bad last year vs Dallas. SLow...and -2 ....

Well, as hard as it is to see what Brown did in the playoffs and how good Boyes is doing.

It was good to see Goc out perform Brown in the playoffs :) and Goc now taking over Boyes spot, is 4th in scoring so far and doesn't have Patrice Bergerone or Miro Zalesak on his line either.

I remember saying a big part of moving Boyes was to get Goc 1st line ice time in Cleveland.

Anywho, I'll always have a soft spot for Boyes and I hope he does well, but can he hack in the NHL? He sure looked bad last year vs Dallas. SLow...and -2 ....
Boyes is not with Bergeron. Bergeron is with Andy Hilbert and Jay Henderson. ;)

I'm not quite sure on Boyes linemates though.

Boyes is not with Bergeron. Bergeron is with Andy Hilbert and Jay Henderson. ;)

I'm not quite sure on Boyes linemates though.

Ahhh yes, they're both centers aren't they?

Brown is gone and Boyes still has the potential to become a very good second line centre. He will benefit from the lockout and once it's over, he should easily win a spot on the Bruins opening night roster.

Yeah, but see, HoT isn't refuting that. He's just saying that the Sharks used a good asset to add something the current team needed for a push in the playoffs.

From a basically un-biased view (though the Sharks are one of my favorites behind the Pens), it was a smart deal by San Jose. They had to get what was needed for the playoffs.

Well, as hard as it is to see what Brown did in the playoffs and how good Boyes is doing.

It was good to see Goc out perform Brown in the playoffs :) and Goc now taking over Boyes spot, is 4th in scoring so far and doesn't have Patrice Bergerone or Miro Zalesak on his line either.

I remember saying a big part of moving Boyes was to get Goc 1st line ice time in Cleveland.

Anywho, I'll always have a soft spot for Boyes and I hope he does well, but can he hack in the NHL? He sure looked bad last year vs Dallas. SLow...and -2 ....

Yes Boyes did look slow vs Dallas but he aslo showed some great playmaking skills

i believe that he was something like a -2 or -3 but non of it was his fault

that wasnt exactly the best game to be your first

the sharks were scrabliing after the sturm injury and Dallas was red hot


although i was mad as hell the sharks traded him, i can see why

Marcel Goc is no doubt the better prospect of the 2.

The guys was unreal in the playoffs.

He will probably be the Sharks main guy on key faceoffs seeing that he wins 60% of them.

His playmaking is right there with Boyes but he is much faster

Defensivly its not even close

Both players can be 2nd line centers but I would take Goc in a heart beat

I wouldnt have said this before the trade but seeing Goc in the playoffs and his offensive production at the end of last year and the start of this year, he has really won me over.

I still really like Brad Boyes and always will but Goc is the superior player

I'm sure the Leafs would find room for him if they could have him back. Boyes was the only good forward prospect that the Leafs had and they trade him, MacAuley & a pick for ???

Owen Nolan. :lol

What a brutal deal.

Wasn't a brutal deal, but more hilarious than anything.

Anywho, I'll always have a soft spot for Boyes and I hope he does well, but can he hack in the NHL? He sure looked bad last year vs Dallas. SLow...and -2 ....

We're not seriously judging a player after *one* game in the NHL?

I'm sure the Leafs would find room for him if they could have him back. Boyes was the only good forward prospect that the Leafs had and they trade him, MacAuley & a pick for ???

Owen Nolan. :lol

What a brutal deal.

Boyes was fifth on the depth chart for young forwards at most. Definitely behind Antropov, Stajan, Steen,and Ponikarovsky. That plus a fourth liner and a pick is pretty good for a world class player.

Yes Boyes did look slow vs Dallas but he aslo showed some great playmaking skills

i believe that he was something like a -2 or -3 but non of it was his fault

that wasnt exactly the best game to be your first

the sharks were scrabliing after the sturm injury and Dallas was red hot


although i was mad as hell the sharks traded him, i can see why

Marcel Goc is no doubt the better prospect of the 2.

The guys was unreal in the playoffs.

He will probably be the Sharks main guy on key faceoffs seeing that he wins 60% of them.

His playmaking is right there with Boyes but he is much faster

Defensivly its not even close

Both players can be 2nd line centers but I would take Goc in a heart beat

I wouldnt have said this before the trade but seeing Goc in the playoffs and his offensive production at the end of last year and the start of this year, he has really won me over.

I still really like Brad Boyes and always will but Goc is the superior player
Yea.......didn't Goc let Conroy skate right past him on a draw that caused a huge goal in the series?

Yea but Adam this has been discussed in the past...the Sharks are trying to win a cup for themselves not the Barons. Hindsight the deal busted but at the time the Sharks needed a good two-way guy to fill out their lines and Brown fits that bill nicely.

I understand that aspect of it HoT, but I wouldn't deal a kid the caliber of Boyes, even with Hennessy and Goc waiting in the wings. Brown didn't do much to help and Goc looked like he could have hung in those playoffs playing nightly.

Yea.......didn't Goc let Conroy skate right past him on a draw that caused a huge goal in the series?

Actually he lost the draw but were was the defenseman? :dunno:
And after assisting a game winner vs the Blues, and then scoring the game winner to send us to the conference finals (which we never have done) you really can't complain.

Side note: I'm glad the Sharks moved Boyes instead of Goc, But I think Boyes is a great guy, and is going to be a very valuable player in Boston. He's going to be a force on the powerplay and reminds me of a Viny Damphouse of two years ago and should put in about 50-60 points in his prime.

I understood what the Sharks were trying to do when they lost Marco STurm, and hell we went to the conference finals, it's just to bad that Brown didnt' do anything to help us. Goc with very limited ice time out performed him and even forced him self onto a line with Damphouse and Marleau in game 6 vs the Flames.

Boyes was fifth on the depth chart for young forwards at most. Definitely behind Antropov, Stajan, Steen,and Ponikarovsky. That plus a fourth liner and a pick is pretty good for a world class player.

McCauley a 4th liner? He scored 20 goals and 47 points this year with less ice time and less PP time. On top of that, McCauley plays great defense.

Nolan scored 48 points this year and 56 the year before with more ice time and PP time and less defensive commitment.

But Nolan also makes 7 million dollars per year. I think an Owen Nolan for Alyn McCauley trade straight up would benefit the team getting McCauley much much more.

But the leafs also threw in Boyes and a 1st rounder, it was a terrible trade.

Boyes was fifth on the depth chart for young forwards at most. Definitely behind Antropov, Stajan, Steen,and Ponikarovsky. That plus a fourth liner and a pick is pretty good for a world class player.

boyes is behind all 4 of those guys, eh? i guess you're entitled to an opinion, but i bet that he winds up at least 2nd out of those 5 when it's all said and done.

boyes is behind all 4 of those guys, eh? i guess you're entitled to an opinion, but i bet that he winds up at least 2nd out of those 5 when it's all said and done.

You know how it goes 'nugs- Toronto prospects are worldbeaters until they get traded. Then, they magically slip down the depth chart.

I was around these boards quite a bit when Boyes was a Leaf prospect. There was no shortage of love for him then- especially when he was putting up big numbers for the Erie Panthers in his final couple of junior seasons.

Boyes will be solid in the NHL- nothing spectacular. But considering the Bruins were woefully thin in young center prospects, he was a great pickup to get them when they did and the return they gave up for him.

Boyes will be solid in the NHL- nothing spectacular. But considering the Bruins were woefully thin in young center prospects, he was a great pickup to get them when they did and the return they gave up for him.

I didn't like that deal when it happened, and I still hate that deal. But I guess it was simply the fact that I really liked the players going the other way, it made sense in terms of a Toronto depth chart POV.

Boyes still has a great chance to be a solid NHL'er. While he has had trouble so far, in terms of adjusting his offense to the NHL game, or at least cracking the NHL full time, he's still a solid prospect in my books. He's definitely got the AHL game down now, he's definitely ready for the next step (too bad there isn't one currently). But I have faith in Boyes because his best attribute is his hockey sense. That's why he's excelled so much at every level. His hockey sense is superior to most other players on the ice and he's an incredible playmaker. While his skating still isn't great, he makes up for it in other areas and it's not so horrible that it's going to hold him back.

I'd agree with you, when all is said and done, I expect Boyes to become a solid second line center, maybe a normal 20-25 guy, somewhere around 60 points in a career year.

McCauley a 4th liner? He scored 20 goals and 47 points this year with less ice time and less PP time. On top of that, McCauley plays great defense.

Nolan scored 48 points this year and 56 the year before with more ice time and PP time and less defensive commitment.

But Nolan also makes 7 million dollars per year. I think an Owen Nolan for Alyn McCauley trade straight up would benefit the team getting McCauley much much more.

But the leafs also threw in Boyes and a 1st rounder, it was a terrible trade.

Whatever McCauley did with the Sharks, on the Leafs he was a fourth liner.

boyes is behind all 4 of those guys, eh? i guess you're entitled to an opinion, but i bet that he winds up at least 2nd out of those 5 when it's all said and done.

Two NHL teams, so far, say no.

Whatever McCauley did with the Sharks, on the Leafs he was a fourth liner.

It wasn't like he (McCauley) sucked in Toronto and got it together in SJ. He was great for the Leafs in that play-off run...

Oh, and that pick turned out to be Mark Stuart... both Stuart and Boyes will be lining up vs. Toronto for a decade after Nolan retires.

Can't criticize the Leafs for trying to win (trade for Nolan)... they have just had their pants pulled down over it now though, and it is understandably embarassing...

I'm a Leaf fan, I'm a BIG Boyes fan, and I was very sad when that trade was announced. It turned out to be a terrible, we could have had Boyes and Mark Stuart if that trade wasn't made. Anyways it happens to every team, sometimes trades work, sometimes they don't and this one didn't.

:cry:

It wasn't like he (McCauley) sucked in Toronto and got it together in SJ.


31 points in his last 146 games with Toronto, and getting some decent minutes also. Pretty sucky.

McCauley was just better suited to the less physical and less competitive Pacific division, I guess.


He was great for the Leafs in that play-off run...


And afterwards....nothing.


Oh, and that pick turned out to be Mark Stuart... both Stuart and Boyes will be lining up vs. Toronto for a decade after Nolan retires.

Can't criticize the Leafs for trying to win (trade for Nolan)... they have just had their pants pulled down over it now though, and it is understandably embarassing...

Nothing to be embarassed about, they didn't give up much.

Boyes isn't in the lead anymore. :p:

Jason King and Peter Sarno are. :yo:

Boyes isn't in the lead anymore. :p:

Jason King and Peter Sarno are. :yo:


Hudler will lead the league in points in the end. He's only 4 points back in 3 less games.

McCauley was just better suited to the less physical and less competitive Pacific division, I guess.

Less physical division ?? Coming from a Leafs fan.......priceless !!

The Habs & Sens are two of the least physical teams in the entire NHL. Not to mention the Bruins & Sabres don't scare anyone either. The Leafs are the only physical team in that division and they don't play against themselves.

I'd say the Pacific Division (LA, ANA, SJ, DAL, PHX) is easily more physical than the Northeast.

Less physical division ?? Coming from a Leafs fan.......priceless !!

The Habs & Sens are two of the least physical teams in the entire NHL. Not to mention the Bruins & Sabres don't scare anyone either. The Leafs are the only physical team in that division and they don't play against themselves.

I'd say the Pacific Division (LA, ANA, SJ, DAL, PHX) is easily more physical than the Northeast.

I don't think he had any problem with physical play. His melon may be a little soft but that hasn't been a problem lately. I'd love for him to still be a Leaf but he's not, so you move on. I like Nolan but hindsight being 20/20, I wouldn't like to see the Leafs make that trade again.

I don't think he had any problem with physical play. His melon may be a little soft but that hasn't been a problem lately. I'd love for him to still be a Leaf but he's not, so you move on. I like Nolan but hindsight being 20/20, I wouldn't like to see the Leafs make that trade again.

And thats fine, I was just pointing out the fact (to the guy that said it) that the Northeast is probably the least physical division in the NHL. I agree with you.

And thats fine, I was just pointing out the fact (to the guy that said it) that the Northeast is probably the least physical division in the NHL. I agree with you.

I think there is a perception that the East is tougher, more grinding type hockey and the West is more flowing.

Boyes was fifth on the depth chart for young forwards at most. Definitely behind Antropov, Stajan, Steen,and Ponikarovsky. That plus a fourth liner and a pick is pretty good for a world class player. .
I think you are drastically underestimating Boyes' position in the Toronto prospect system at the time of the trade.

One could argue that Antropov and Steen could be considered ahead in the depth chart, but there was no way he was definitely behind Stajan, let alone Ponikarovsky.




You know how it goes 'nugs- Toronto prospects are worldbeaters until they get traded. Then, they magically slip down the depth chart.

I was around these boards quite a bit when Boyes was a Leaf prospect. There was no shortage of love for him then- especially when he was putting up big numbers for the Erie Panthers in his final couple of junior seasons.

Boyes will be solid in the NHL- nothing spectacular.
It works the other way too. Before the Leetch trade, you'd be ridiculed if you mentioned that Kondratiev was going to start the year with the Leafs, and heaven forbid you considered Jarko Immonen a good prospect.

However, once they were no longer Toronto property, the Leafs were absolute fools for parting with such young talent for the aging Brian Leetch.

I think you too, are understimating Mr. Boyes albeit slightly. If you are going based solely on point production, he may be slightly above average - but his tangibles will put him a notch ahead IMO.

Less physical division ?? Coming from a Leafs fan.......priceless !!

The Habs & Sens are two of the least physical teams in the entire NHL. Not to mention the Bruins & Sabres don't scare anyone either. The Leafs are the only physical team in that division and they don't play against themselves.

I'd say the Pacific Division (LA, ANA, SJ, DAL, PHX) is easily more physical than the Northeast.

The Northeast has these things called "rivalries" making the games far more intense than your typical Sharks-Coyotes game. I mean, who cares?

The Northeast has these things called "rivalries" making the games far more intense than your typical Sharks-Coyotes game. I mean, who cares?

The Pacific has rivalries too. Just because you don't care about them, it doesn't make them less physical.

The Northeast has these things called "rivalries" making the games far more intense than your typical Sharks-Coyotes game. I mean, who cares?

sharks - stars
stars - yotes
yotes - kings
kings - ducks
ducks - stars



sharks - kings is a pretty good game too.

sharks - stars
stars - yotes
yotes - kings
kings - ducks
ducks - stars



sharks - kings is a pretty good game too.

For comparison:

Toronto-Montreal
Toronto-Ottawa
Toronto-Boston
Toronto-Buffalo
Montreal-Boston
Ottawa-Montreal

In addition, a Leafs game is a big game to EVERY team in the league.

In addition, a Leafs game is a big game to EVERY team in the league.

:lol :lol: :joker:

That is truly laughable.

:lol :lol: :joker:

That is truly laughable.

Give me a break, your own team would LOVE to see the Leafs come to town 10 times a season.

Give me a break, your own team would LOVE to see the Leafs come to town 10 times a season.

Fans of other teams may look at a Leafs game with more importance but thats only because of the arrogance of most Leafs fans and the clowns that play for the team.

The only players that would look at it any different would be players from the Toronto area.

Why would a game against a team that hasn't won "jack squat" in 37 years be more important ??

EDIT: Guess I can make that 38 years now.

Fans of other teams may look at a Leafs game with more importance but thats only because of the arrogance of most Leafs fans and the clowns that play for the team.

The only players that would look at it any different would be players from the Toronto area.

Why would a game against a team that hasn't won "jack squat" in 37 years be more important ??



I don't know, it just always is.

Wish the Barons still had him. Wishing him well though.

And I wish the Leafs still had him. :banghead:



Plus, when the deal went down, Stajan & Steen were not as highly thought of as they are now.

By you. I'm pretty sure the Leafs felt more comfortable trading Boyes with the immergence of Stajan. The Leafs knew they found a gem in Stajan.




It wasn't like he (McCauley) sucked in Toronto and got it together in SJ. He was great for the Leafs in that play-off run...


Yea, he had those 20 games when he produced decently when he was thrown onto the first line because of necessity... and then he had the six years of mediocre hockey prior to that run, in which he barely kept healthy, rarely moved off the 4th line and was once sent to St. John's because he wasn't playing well enough.

You know how it goes 'nugs- Toronto prospects are worldbeaters until they get traded. Then, they magically slip down the depth chart.


Actually, it's pretty much the opposite.

Any Leaf prospect is considered crap/overrated/both while they're with the Leafs, but if they ever get traded elsewhere, look out...

Fans of other teams may look at a Leafs game with more importance but thats only because of the arrogance of most Leafs fans and the clowns that play for the team.


Clowns?

Like Thugtuzzi?


The only players that would look at it any different would be players from the Toronto area.

Why would a game against a team that hasn't won "jack squat" in 37 years be more important ??

EDIT: Guess I can make that 38 years now.

It's called ratings and popularity.

And your team has won 0 Cups, ever. Be quiet.

I think you too, are understimating Mr. Boyes albeit slightly. If you are going based solely on point production, he may be slightly above average - but his tangibles will put him a notch ahead IMO.

Solid but unspectacular could be used to describe an outstanding player like Jeremy Roenick- it is all in the beholder.

I believe that Boyes will be a 60-70 point player in this day and age. Maybe he'll end up being a lot less. Maybe a lot more. But I don't think I'm underestimating him. Just trying to be realistic in my projection of him at his best.

Actually, it's pretty much the opposite.

Any Leaf prospect is considered crap/overrated/both while they're with the Leafs, but if they ever get traded elsewhere, look out...

Um, actually it isn't.

But thanks for interjecting your opinion here.

For comparison:

Toronto-Montreal
Toronto-Ottawa
Toronto-Boston
Toronto-Buffalo
Montreal-Boston
Ottawa-Montreal

In addition, a Leafs game is a big game to EVERY team in the league.

Those rivalries are mostly laughable. Boston-Montreal is only good in the playoffs and I dont care much for Ottawa-Toronto. Toronto-Montreal? Sorry, but theres little rivalrie between these teams other then the fans.

In addition, a Leafs game is a big game to EVERY team in the league.

:lol :lol :bonk: :bonk:

I don't think he had any problem with physical play. His melon may be a little soft but that hasn't been a problem lately. I'd love for him to still be a Leaf but he's not, so you move on. I like Nolan but hindsight being 20/20, I wouldn't like to see the Leafs make that trade again.
Thank you. At the time Maccauley wasn't doing all to well, looking back, Maccauley's development along with Nolan's freak injuries make the deal a surefire win for the Sharks. I'm still happy to have Nolan on the Leafs, and without the freak eye and knee injuries this year, I doubt the trade would be looked upon so lowly.

For comparison:

Toronto-Montreal
Toronto-Ottawa
Toronto-Boston
Toronto-Buffalo
Montreal-Boston
Ottawa-Montreal

In addition, a Leafs game is a big game to EVERY team in the league.
:banghead:

Toronto-Montreal? Sorry, but theres little rivalrie between these teams other then the fans.

That is one of the funniest things I have read in here. Thank you.

:banghead:

Are smilies a crutch to people who can't put a thought together in writing?

Are smilies a crutch to people who can't put a thought together in writing?
Firstly, he's right. The rivalry between Montreal and Toronto has been pretty much completely phased out between players and the fans are the only ones who are keeping it going.

And how in the world do you come to the conclusion that every one of our games is important to the NHL? :badidea:

Firstly, he's right. The rivalry between Montreal and Toronto has been pretty much completely phased out between players and the fans are the only ones who are keeping it going.



So if the fans are going nuts the players don't notice? Amazing.



And how in the world do you come to the conclusion that every one of our games is important to the NHL? :badidea:


1) Most hockey players are Canadian

2) Most of those are from Ontario

3) A Leaf game has more of a chance to be seen by family and friends than others.

4) I have been to Leafs games in various places in the US and Canada, sellouts all the time.

So if the fans are going nuts the players don't notice? Amazing.
Sure they notice but its not as if the players trulky hate each other. Old Detroit-Colorado games and more recent Ottawa-Toronto games have that sort of intensity and hatred.

1) Most hockey players are Canadian

2) Most of those are from Ontario

3) A Leaf game has more of a chance to be seen by family and friends than others.

4) I have been to Leafs games in various places in the US and Canada, sellouts all the time.
I'm sure they might put a bit of extra effort in, but less than 20% of the NHL is from Ontario, and quite frankly iut very rarely makes much of a difference.

Also you'd be hard-pressed to find a sold out game against the Leafs in Chicago, Carolina, Nashville, Anaheim, Pittsburgh etc.

So if the fans are going nuts the players don't notice? Amazing.




1) Most hockey players are Canadian

2) Most of those are from Ontario

3) A Leaf game has more of a chance to be seen by family and friends than others.

4) I have been to Leafs games in various places in the US and Canada, sellouts all the time.

All I see is a Leaf fan trying to be as homeristic as possible. :joker:

All I see is a Leaf fan trying to be as homeristic as possible. :joker:

Used to always be a big game when the Bruins came to town. Not so much any more.

The only rivalries in the Northeast that mean anything anymore are:

Toronto-Buffalo
Montreal-Boston
Ottawa-Toronto

The rest have really phased out over time.

Clowns?

Like Thugtuzzi?

It's called ratings and popularity.

And your team has won 0 Cups, ever. Be quiet.

Yes, clowns.

Yes, just like Bertuzzi.

Ratings and popularity don't make the games any bigger for the players. Only fans and TV companies.

My team actually has 1 Stanley Cup, within the last 38 years, thank you very much.

The only rivalries in the Northeast that mean anything anymore are:

Toronto-Buffalo
Montreal-Boston
Ottawa-Toronto

The rest have really phased out over time.

ESPN had the Montreal-Toronto rivalry ranked number 5 in all North American sports but according to some people here it has suddenly disappeared. Replaced by Sharks-Duck, I guess.

Didn't realize the title of this thread was " Toronto Breeds the Best Rivalries"

ESPN had the Montreal-Toronto rivalry ranked number 5 in all North American sports but according to some people here it has suddenly disappeared. Replaced by Sharks-Duck, I guess.
Of course, because ESPN roolz !@!1.

Over time, Montreal-Toronto is probably the biggest and best rivalry in hockey, these days not so much. The teams haven't even met in the playoffs since the seventies.

What does Curtis Brown have to do with Boyes? According to TSN, Boyes was traded for McLaren... (in the 3 way deal)

What does Curtis Brown have to do with Boyes? According to TSN, Boyes was traded for McLaren... (in the 3 way deal)

McLaren for Jillson

Next year:
Boyes/Delmore-Brown-Jillson

so effectively McLaren turned into Boyes...

We're not seriously judging a player after *one* game in the NHL?

And not after 5 games in the AHL this year either. He will be a tweener....NHL/AHL shuttle.

I think the leafs would love to dump Nolan. Cant find a taker because he is no longer worth the 5 mil per year and has injury problems now. He's on the down slide.

I really dont like the denial I keep sensing from people like Leafaholix(every team has those though). I cant see how you can say Boyes and McCaully+1st for Nolan made sense. It didnt and it never will, even at the time I couldnt believe it, never mind now. Your talking 3 first rounders: Thats two good prospects and a young cheap guy who almost won the Selke while posting 20 goals. I'd take that alone over Nolan anytime. Theres no room is not a good argument at all IMO, if you have a good player you FIND room for him. Nieuwendyke wont be playing for the next 10 years you know. Boyes could have been a great complement to Sundin.

Theres no room is not a good argument at all IMO, if you have a good player you FIND room for him. Nieuwendyke wont be playing for the next 10 years you know. Boyes could have been a great complement to Sundin.
At the same time with Stajan, Steen, Antropov down the middle, it's not the like the Leafs centers position(s) will be bleak after Nieuwendyk leaves.

I really dont like the denial I keep sensing from people like Leafaholix(every team has those though). I cant see how you can say Boyes and McCaully+1st for Nolan made sense.

It makes a lot less sense to keep Boyes and McCauley if you have a chance to use them to get Nolan.

Everyone makes bad trades at some point, Boyes is a grreat player I been his fan for a while now since his OHL days. I think he is great to watch and is a hard worker and i think he will make it to the NHL, one day as a 2nd line center, potential is there. You cannot say that guy isn;t good because he got traded twice before playing in the NHL. Trading is part of the game, to get something you have to give something. Boyes was traded to the Sharks because if the eafs wanted Nolan they had to include him in the deal because they liked him a lot, at the time I believe Sharks weren't deep at the center spot in terms of the prospects. Bill Watters came on Fan 590 moments after the trade was announced, and said he hated the fact they had to trade Brad Boyes, he said if we didn't include him this trade would have not been made. He was the make or break of the trade. Sadly the Leafs pulled the trigger. Boyes became expandable on the Sharks after they took Hennessy and they liked him better then Boyes. I do not know what Wilson was thinking when he made the 3 way trade, which sent Boyes to the Bruins, in my opinion that was a steal for the Bruins who lack good center prospects and got a good one in Boyes.

Sharks like players who can skate and play two ways, Boyes lacks in both areas...but man did it hurt to loose him....I think with his vision and just love for the game and his hands, Oh BOY THOSE HANDS! he was worth keeping.


Overall moving him was bad in a way, but it really has made Goc blossum.... Still though, I didn't like that trade to begin with, and hate it more now.

So far Boyes has been traded twice, and each time he has been moved the team dealing him away has looked foolish in the end.

Sharks like players who can skate and play two ways, Boyes lacks in both areas...but man did it hurt to loose him....I think with his vision and just love for the game and his hands, Oh BOY THOSE HANDS! he was worth keeping.


Overall moving him was bad in a way, but it really has made Goc blossum.... Still though, I didn't like that trade to begin with, and hate it more now.

So far Boyes has been traded twice, and each time he has been moved the team dealing him away has looked foolish in the end.

I like the Sharks they are one of my favoite teams, and when Boyes got traded I was kind of happy because it was Sharks that he was traded to, but now the BRUINS, I'm not happy about that in any way. :banghead:

Sharks like players who can skate and play two ways, Boyes lacks in both areas...but man did it hurt to loose him....I think with his vision and just love for the game and his hands, Oh BOY THOSE HANDS! he was worth keeping.

Overall moving him was bad in a way, but it really has made Goc blossum.... Still though, I didn't like that trade to begin with, and hate it more now.

So far Boyes has been traded twice, and each time he has been moved the team dealing him away has looked foolish in the end.

The Sharks did not appear to get much in return for Boyes now that Brown
is a Blackhawk which for the short term makes the trade look like a clear
win for the B's. I have to say that Boyes is a project player at this point
and is not a slam dunk to make it in the NHL as a 2nd line player. He's pretty one dimensional as xsharkie points out. I think Boyes can overcome the playing
in both ends of the ice with his drive for success and coaching. He *really*
needs more speed and to add some more muscle to his frame for the NHL game.
Being small and slow is not a recipe for success in the NHL.

He *really*
needs more speed and to add some more muscle to his frame for the NHL game.
Being small and slow is not a recipe for success in the NHL.

I don't understand why someone thinks they are contributing something to the board by repeating stuff they have heard.

Boyes constantly works on his skating and put on 15pds of muscle this summer...

He's not a speedster... but he is not "slow". For his size it seems like he should be faster...but he is not "slow".

I don't understand why someone thinks they are contributing something to the board by repeating stuff they have heard.

Boyes constantly works on his skating and put on 15pds of muscle this summer...

He's not a speedster... but he is not "slow". For his size it seems like he should be faster...but he is not "slow".

I remember when he was a Leaf prospect he went to the AHL all star game and in the skills competition he was in the fastest skater competition and finished 2nd last i forget the time he got. I don't think he's "SLOW" he doesn't have the quick first step.

Sure they notice but its not as if the players trulky hate each other. Old Detroit-Colorado games and more recent Ottawa-Toronto games have that sort of intensity and hatred.


I'm sure they might put a bit of extra effort in, but less than 20% of the NHL is from Ontario, and quite frankly iut very rarely makes much of a difference.

Also you'd be hard-pressed to find a sold out game against the Leafs in Chicago, Carolina, Nashville, Anaheim, Pittsburgh etc.

actually, the one time the leafs came to Nashville, it was a sellout. It took 5 seasons for the Laffs to make an appearance here in Music City, and it was pretty much a sell out for that reason.

Also, I'd like to think that the Detroit - Nashville rivalry is one of the best in the NHL. You may think I'm a homer but the players hate each other. Ask Mr. Chelios if ya don't believe me.