Darren Dreger: The Toronto Maple Leafs will not trade Jake Gardiner to another team

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=388513

The Maple Leafs abundance of defencemen makes the team popular with clubs looking for blueline help. According to Dreger, Jake Gardiner is unavailable, and the only way that Luke Schenn would be moved is if the Leafs were made an offer they couldn't refuse. Carl Gunnarsson, Cody Franson and Keith Aulie are also generating interest.

Chicago, Detroit, New Jersey, Edmonton and Winnipeg are among the teams still searching for defencemen.

If this is true, our chances of making a deadline day splash are looking grim

Fine by me - about Gardiner and Schenn.

I could see Aulie being trade bait, but only if it makes sense for the team and not for the sake of making a trade.

Good!

Well, we wont be dealing with winnipeg....thats certain.

Didn't really need to be said. Also, he would be traded in a heartbeat for the right player.

Is it sad that at this point in the season, I'd rather keep Gardiner than Schenn?

Don't get me wrong, I really like Schenn, but I think he could be used to do better things here, AKA bring in a # 1C or something else that could benefit us more.

Glad Burke would play hard ball with him, though, and I'm glad he's holding onto Gardiner.

I'll only believe something like this if it came directly out of Burke's mouth. If it is somehow true, that can change with one phone call as Burke would say.

Not a problem with me, I'd like to keep our Gardiner-Schenn pairing thank you very much :)

as it should be

If we retain Gardiner and sign Grabo then I'm pretty happy as finding those peices on the deadline or free agency aren't easy!! I'm a firm believer in sometimes the best deals are the one's you don't make and this is a prime candidate!

Though I expect a little more done than this of course!

Aulie to Edm for one of their young or young-ish forwards would make a lot of sense.

Aulie+Lombardi for Hemsky?

Good. I don't want to see Jake or Luke moved.

So is this just his opinion, or is it based on anything tangible?

So is this just his opinion, or is it based on anything tangible?

Him and Nonis are cousins, I'm assuming that's where he got his info

Not a problem with me, I'd like to keep our Gardiner-Schenn pairing thank you very much :)

me too, not in any hurry to trade either of them.

Aulie and Komi are the only d-men i'd be okay with moving at this point based on probable returns

I could see Aulie being trade bait, but only if it makes sense for the team and not for the sake of making a trade.

Glad to hear that Burke is not going to move Gardiner no matter what. The kid is a star in the making, going from a who knows at beginning of camp to one of the best dfencemen we have; not to mention he leads all rookie dmen in ice-time, points and I believe plus/minus as well.

Schenn is trade bait still, Burke has said he doesnt PLAN on moving him UNLESS a deal he cannot refuse comes his way i.e. deadline day deal.....that is when prices of players go up, and GM's give more then they normally would, which is why Burke usually makes his deals before dead-line day.

I really dont know what to expect this year. There is no mystery we need a #1 center who can score, or a close second is a big PFW winger with offensive upside; however, of late our shoddy goaltending has cost us big time. Though I do think this is partially a coaching error by Wilson. I have been saying for a couple weeks to stop rotating Reimer and Gus, and pick one of them and try and run with it. While both goalies are playing poorly, you cannot expect much out of them when the most the play in a row is 2 games, and then the other guy goes in. An example is Gus. He was at his best, and won the #1 role while Reimer was hurt, and was starting to steal games. Then he loses Reimer goes in and puts on a 3 game show, and for whatever reason has a terrible 4th game, and then back with Gus, who lost some of his confidence. I cannot blame him. The guy finally thinks he is playing well enough and then Reims steals the show. You absolutely cannot blame either of the guys for the way they are playing, when the coach keeps swapping them in and out, no matter how you practice its is not like a game, especially this time of year.

So I think either Burke gets us a goalie if he has seen enough, OR he speaks with Wilson and they both decide to stick it out with one of the 2 guys we have. Then we need to go out and get a veteran with leadership. I think many forget we are the youngest team in the NHL and I firmly believe that all these rumors are really negatively affecting our guys. We need a vet, who has been in the playoffs before, a guy that can calm our guys down, and give them a boost, like Mark Recchi did with the Pens the year they won the cup. I think we have most of the ingredients of a cup team, its all about consistency, and adding a couple key pieces,

1) a big name #1 center/ PFW winger with scoring ability

2) a vet with experience to help out the kids

3) ONLY IF Burke and Wilson dont think either is suitable to run with for awhile get a goalie

In the end though, one wonders who is availble, and which way Burke is going to go. But something will be done by the 27th at 3pm its just a matter of what and who.

Aulie to Edm for one of their young or young-ish forwards would make a lot of sense.

Aulie+Lombardi for Hemsky?

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GOOD! Gardiner should not be available, period. He's our only young dman who has high end 2-way potential, I can see him becoming a top pairing dman who's a great puck mover, a very legit offensive threat, and a guy who can defend at a high level with elite skating ability. Not a player I'd want to give up, at all.

Any other dman but Phaneuf I would be OK with moving in the right deal. Gardiner and Phaneuf should both be untouchable, though.

Fair enough.

People will still find a way to debate in this thread :help:

I love the fact that Burke won't trade him.

Imagine if JFJ was still GM? We probably would have reacquired Jason Blake back in a trade for something like Gardiner, Schenn and a 1st. Blake would also get a 5 year no-trade clause.

Him and Nonis are cousins, I'm assuming that's where he got his info

I don't believe they are directedly related.

haaaappppyyyy i`m loving the kid...

If we trade Gardiner we're certifiably insane.

I don't believe they are directedly related.
2nd cousins, and considering they both live in the same city and are involved in hockey they probably talk

If we trade Gardiner we're certifiably insane.

It would come back and haunt us just like Tuukka Rask has.

That would be great if we kept Schenn Gardiner

But we have to deal some D we have to many and can use a Gunnar or Aulie or Franson to get us the big banger prospect we need desperately

Chicago has McNeil and i think we should go for him

Also deal Gabo if were not going to sign him and get another first + a top prospect....hopefully another big banger for our bottom 6...

Thats might solve our sand paper isuues or lack thereof...

Good to hear, trading Gardiner would be really stupid.

2nd cousins, and considering they both live in the same city and are involved in hockey they probably talk

I've heard as much but never seen it confirmed. I've also heard that Nonis' wife and Dregers wife are distant cousins and that's the connection.

Either way I doubt very much Nonis would give him any top secrets.

No one should be untouchable

I don't think Detroit's looking for a defenceman anymore after picking up Quincey yesterday

Not that I doubt the Gardiner thing is true (it's the logical conclusion about his availability), but I personally believe these "Hockey Insiders" (in this case, Dreger) are full of ****. The more he keeps talking, the more TSN likes him though.

Dreger and Nonis are second cousins


how well do any of you peeps know your second cousins?

No one should be untouchable

this. gardiner does look like he has a lot of potential though.

I'd trade Schenn before Gunnarson. Burkeys probably just manipulating the media to highten his players value though.

Dreger and Nonis are second cousins


how well do any of you peeps know your second cousins?


lol

It would also be pretty damn sad if Deger's job depends on his second cousin feeding him scraps. One incident at once-a-decade Christmas dinner they probably spend together, and bye-bye to Dreger's job. Back to shining Pierre McGuire's bald head for $7 an hour.

Is it sad that at this point in the season, I'd rather keep Gardiner than Schenn?

Don't get me wrong, I really like Schenn, but I think he could be used to do better things here, AKA bring in a # 1C or something else that could benefit us more.

Glad Burke would play hard ball with him, though, and I'm glad he's holding onto Gardiner.

Same, Schenn has limited potential being one way

No one should be untouchable


^^^^

This, except that NO ONE is untouchable. Is Gardnier a solid DMan, yes, is Gardnier a star in the making, no one knows for sure, is Gardnier a superstar, no, not yet anyway. So to Leaf fans, if say OV, Crosby, Chara, and so on were offered up, you believe your GM would be an idiot to take it, I thought so. Lets not forget all the great players who have been traded over the years, #99 comes to mind, so everyone is available for the right price. Dreger makes me laugh, no different than Ekland, just guessing and throwing #$%& at the wall to see what sticks, some of his statement will prove correct and most will prove wrong. Got to say though, he is pretty smart because he usually leads with "if the Leafs feel, or if the Habs beleive, and so on. Anyone can do that.

I don't want to trade Gunnarsson or Franson, I'd be fine with trading Schenn though.

Dreger flip flops between what he says

Dreger and Nonis are second cousins


how well do any of you peeps know your second cousins?

I have to imagine they're fairly familiar with each other, considering it is one's job to follow and report on everything the other does.

lol

It would also be pretty damn sad if Deger's job depends on his second cousin feeding him scraps. One incident at once-a-decade Christmas dinner they probably spend together, and bye-bye to Dreger's job. Back to shining Pierre McGuire's bald head for $7 an hour.

I miss Pierre on TSN. Knows tons of hockey knowledge and awkward enough to make you laugh + has an orgasm every other period.

I'd trade Schenn before Gunnarson. Burkeys probably just manipulating the media to highten his players value though.

Very true

^^^^

This, except that NO ONE is untouchable. Is Gardnier a solid DMan, yes, is Gardnier a star in the making, no one knows for sure, is Gardnier a superstar, no, not yet anyway. So to Leaf fans, if say OV, Crosby, Chara, and so on were offered up, you believe your GM would be an idiot to take it, I thought so. Lets not forget all the great players who have been traded over the years, #99 comes to mind, so everyone is available for the right price. Dreger makes me laugh, no different than Ekland, just guessing and throwing #$%& at the wall to see what sticks, some of his statement will prove correct and most will prove wrong. Got to say though, he is pretty smart because he usually leads with "if the Leafs feel, or if the Habs beleive, and so on. Anyone can do that.

I think this is pretty obvious to just about anyone. When he says that he is untouchable, he means that he would not trade him for his standard market value, and I agree with him. Gardiner is an excellent rookie defenceman on his entry level contract, they would be stupid to move him.

Tukka Rask is a prime example of short-sightedness. There is no need to trade our best young players in some kind of knee jerk panic trade.

Aulie to Edm for one of their young or young-ish forwards would make a lot of sense.

Aulie+Lombardi for Hemsky?

Oft-injured (in the last couple of seasons at least) UFA? No thank you.

I miss Pierre on TSN. Knows tons of hockey knowledge and awkward enough to make you laugh + has an orgasm every other period.

Don't know what to say when a man misses another man for what's bolded.

Unsurprising news.

Trade Phaneuf and try to sign Suter for 7.5million. Suter is a huge upgrade on Phaneuf for 1 Million more.

Trade Phaneuf and try to sign Suter for 7.5million. Suter is a huge upgrade on Phaneuf for 1 Million more.

And if he decides to go elsewhere?

Then we're out a Captain and a good Defenseman.

I think this is pretty obvious to just about anyone. When he says that he is untouchable, he means that he would not trade him for his standard market value, and I agree with him. Gardiner is an excellent rookie defenceman on his entry level contract, they would be stupid to move him.

Tukka Rask is a prime example of short-sightedness. There is no need to trade our best young players in some kind of knee jerk panic trade.


Well said, standard market value, lateral moves rarely work. I would never trade Gardiner on a lateral move, his upside is very very high, at least that is what I think.

I really don't care about trading Gardiner, he is good keep him. But still improve this team. But I don't think Burke consults with Dreger on what he plans on doing, this is probably to drive his value up

Great news! I can sleep much better the next 5 nights.

Darren Dreger: The Toronto Maple Leafs will not trade Jake Gardiner to another team

If the Leafs make a trade, it will probably be with another team.

:teach:

If the Leafs make a trade, it will probably be with another team.

:teach:

LOL :laugh:

And if he decides to go elsewhere?

Then we're out a Captain and a good Defenseman.

Wait til the offseason. Not like we're gonna win the cup this year.

Fine by me - about Gardiner and Schenn.

Agreed.

I hope Gunnarsson is in that category as well.

And if he decides to go elsewhere?

Then we're out a Captain and a good Defenseman.

What are we missing here?

An overpaid defenseman that leads us to golf season in april?

OP Topic: Thank you! I cannot imagine dealing away Gardiner, the guy is so far one of the best defencemen I've seen from the Leafs in a long while.

Great news

Fine by me - about Gardiner and Schenn.
I echo this sentiment.

OK good decision

Good. Jake Gardiner should go nowhere.

If this is true, our chances of making a deadline day splash are looking grim

sometimes the best trades are the ones u dont make.

the splash on deadline deal might be keeping these 2 gems.

WELL.... that's a relief.

Dreger and Nonis are second cousins


how well do any of you peeps know your second cousins?

One of my 2nd cuzins lives with me. We're about 5 yrs apart in age. His mom, who is my 1st cuzin, is about 20 yrs older than me. It's a big world out there.

GOOD! Gardiner should not be available, period. He's our only young dman who has high end 2-way potential, I can see him becoming a top pairing dman who's a great puck mover, a very legit offensive threat, and a guy who can defend at a high level with elite skating ability. Not a player I'd want to give up, at all.

Any other dman but Phaneuf I would be OK with moving in the right deal. Gardiner and Phaneuf should both be untouchable, though.

i think Jesse Blacker wil be a good 2-way defender too :) and stuart percy.

im not saying we should trade gardiner but we do have more prospects we can trade

I'd love for Colborne and Kadri to be on that list as well

Good. Trade Gunnarsson please.

Is it sad that at this point in the season, I'd rather keep Gardiner than Schenn?

Don't get me wrong, I really like Schenn, but I think he could be used to do better things here, AKA bring in a # 1C or something else that could benefit us more.

Glad Burke would play hard ball with him, though, and I'm glad he's holding onto Gardiner.

Absolutely not.

If you take this thread and replace the name "Gardiner" with "Stralman", it gets pretty depressing really fast.

Step back a bit with the hype.

Well said, standard market value, lateral moves rarely work. I would never trade Gardiner on a lateral move, his upside is very very high, at least that is what I think.

I'd trade him for a lateral move, if it's a young star center or something, but since that's not likely to materialize, I'd stand pat. No way he should go in a package for someone older like Nash though.

Id rather see Burke do nothing at the trade deadline than do something stupid and desperate. If he traded Gardiner the first thing we'd be looking for would be a Gardiner.

If you take this thread and replace the name "Gardiner" with "Stralman", it gets pretty depressing really fast.

Step back a bit with the hype.

We didn't hype Stralman though. And comparing Stralman's play to Gardiner's in their rookie season, Gardiner is miles ahead of what Stralman was, not even close. Stralman's hype was from Sweden, Gardiner's hype was earned by him coming out of nowhere and playing great. Easily the best leafs rookie defensmen since Kaberle, perhaps beyond that. That being said, you don't want to trade the rookie defensemen, who is already in your top 4 and playing over 21 minutes a game, and not wait to see how good he can become. The age old curse in leaf land is trading assets only to see them blossom somewhere else. I think we have enough assets that we can say no to JG and say yes to all the other young defensemen on this team, and if that is not enough then the price is too steep if it's with Gards in the package.

What are we missing here?

An overpaid defenseman that leads us to golf season in april?


Perspective.

Why in gods name would we trade Jake Gardiner. We got Duncan Keith Jr right here. And I think we are trading Schenn way too soon. He's going to be a beast. Find another way Burkey!

1st
Kadri
Kulemin
Aulie
McCarthur

for

Nash, Umberger and a Pick. Pleasure doing business with ya Columbus.

Glad to hear it, add Schenn, Kadri to that list please.

Although for the record he would trade him in a second for Toews, so even though that's not going to happen there is nothing that's 100%.

I'll only believe something like this if it came directly out of Burke's mouth. If it is somehow true, that can change with one phone call as Burke would say.

Really? I'm a huge fan of Burke, but he's a blatant liar when it comes to this type of stuff. Always has been. He simply doesn't care, and will tell the media X vehemently until Y occurs. I find it amusing.

Why in gods name would we trade Jake Gardiner. We got Duncan Keith Jr right here. And I think we are trading Schenn way too soon. He's going to be a beast. Find another way Burkey!

1st
Kadri
Kulemin
Aulie
McCarthur

for

Nash, Umberger and a Pick. Pleasure doing business with ya Columbus.

This is insanity. Trade all that for a guy who's nothing more then a 65 point player on his own. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Kulemin and Mac have show they can be 60 point players, Kadri will likely be one as well then we throw in Aulie and a pick? Nash has quickly become a superstar with no stats to actually back it up. He's not Crosby,Stamkos or Malkin. He's not on that level. That type of package, one where everything is mortgaged, should only be made for the very elite.

Why in gods name would we trade Jake Gardiner. We got Duncan Keith Jr right here. And I think we are trading Schenn way too soon. He's going to be a beast. Find another way Burkey!

1st
Kadri
Kulemin
Aulie
McCarthur

for

Nash, Umberger and a Pick. Pleasure doing business with ya Columbus.

Great then we will be a one line team instead of a two line team.

Well TD looks pretty bad now

Well TD looks pretty bad now

Who's TD?

Tyler Durden?

thank the god the heaven and the holy mighty spirit... or whatever

This is insanity. Trade all that for a guy who's nothing more then a 65 point player on his own. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Kulemin and Mac have show they can be 60 point players, Kadri will likely be one as well then we throw in Aulie and a pick? Nash has quickly become a superstar with no stats to actually back it up. He's not Crosby,Stamkos or Malkin. He's not on that level. That type of package, one where everything is mortgaged, should only be made for the very elite.

Because he also plays with scraps.

In our system, with our team, Nash puts up 80 points a year easily.

Of course, we don't really need offense...but the guy would definitely produce here.

Burke has used Dreger for the last couple of years to try and manipulate market value for his players.

I like Dreger but he really has become Burke's little lap dog.

Aulie to Edm for one of their young or young-ish forwards would make a lot of sense.

Aulie+Lombardi for Hemsky?

Soon to be 29 year old forward is neither young or youngish

Gardiner is going to be on the all rookie team...
He seems destined for stardom.

Gardiner is going to be on the all rookie team...
He seems destined for stardom.

In the same way Schenn seemed destined for captaincy a couple years ago?

Not saying he's going to fall well below his ceiling, but the sample size is just too small to make any assumptions on stardom.

Jesus Christ, I hope not.