Molodezhnaya Hokkeinaya Liga (MHL) - Part II

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Majik1987
02-26-2012, 11:30 AM
Last thread (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?p=44952003#post44952003) was over 1000 posts. Continue the conversation here.

ozo
02-26-2012, 12:33 PM
Last thread (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?p=44952003#post44952003) was over 1000 posts. Continue the conversation here.

It was over 1100 posts. :yo:

Anyway what could Riga trade to Avtomobilist in exchange for Bukarts? More picks that would return players nowhere near Bukarts class/potential?

Helpoing
02-26-2012, 12:43 PM
I think Avto might take a mix of cash and picks. Though Avto isn't such a bad place for Rihards. There isn't enough roster depth, so he might get a few call-ups, plus they also have a MHL team which needs leaders. The only problem is paycheck delay :laugh:

ozo
02-26-2012, 01:05 PM
I think Avto might take a mix of cash and picks. Though Avto isn't such a bad place for Rihards. There isn't enough roster depth, so he might get a few call-ups, plus they also have a MHL team which needs leaders. The only problem is paycheck delay :laugh:

Aren't cash payments illegal in KHL? If so, Avto would trade a really good pick for two (or more) useless picks. They should probably pick the best available Russian. Hard to see any Russian team gaining anything from dratfing Rihards, but hey draft is a joke anyway.

Helpoing
02-26-2012, 01:28 PM
Nope, cash compensations are legal (we sold Darzinsh, remember?):
а) договор встречного перехода, заключаемый между Клубами согласно типовой
форме, при этом допускается обмен неравнозначного количества Хоккеистов;
б) договор о переходе Хоккеиста со встречным предоставлением Клубу права вы-
бора в соответствующем раунде на Драфте Юниоров КХЛ;
в) договор о переходе Хоккеиста со встречной уплатой денежной компенсации
Клубу. Размер такой компенсации устанавливается по соглашению между Клу-
бами;
г) договор о переходе Хоккеиста со встречным предоставлением Клубу спортивных
прав в отношении Хоккеиста, находящегося в статусе «Конфликт», «Закреплен-
ные права», «Выбранный игрок», «ОСА» и др.;
д) «смешанный» договор – договор о переходе Хоккеиста со встречным предостав-
ление любого сочетания перечисленных в подпунктах а) – г) условий.

ozo
02-26-2012, 01:44 PM
Nope, cash compensations are legal (we sold Darzinsh, remember?):

Can't remember selling him. From what, I understand we mutually agreed to part company with him and then he simply signed for Kazan.

Helpoing
02-26-2012, 02:16 PM
Can't remember selling him. From what, I understand we mutually agreed to part company with him and then he simply signed for Kazan.
Maybe I'm mixing up things. Nevertheless, you can buy sell players/players' rights legally in the K.

vorky
02-26-2012, 04:02 PM
Vlci game today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-stale-malopocetni-vlci-nestacili-na-medvede)
Ničuškin (´95) 0+3

vorky
02-27-2012, 04:22 PM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-stumpf-skoroval-junost-mimo-play-off)
1995: Ilja Ivanov, Zadorov and Korenev all 1+0, Šackij and Zykov both 0+1

vorky
02-28-2012, 03:53 PM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-dnes-dva-zapasy-na-spisi-hraju-kuznecke-medvede)
Vlci game (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-vlci-po-prestrelke-podlahli-kuzneckym-medvedom)

Ljapustin (´95) game winning goal

vorky
02-29-2012, 02:49 PM
roster for All Star Game MHL U18 - Future Cup or so (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-komentare/mhl-nominacie-na-pohar-nadeji)
east in russian (http://mhl2.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=61961) and west in russian (http://mhl2.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=61962)

date: 12.march, Chelyabinsk
captains: Khacei (Chacej) and Osnovin
players: 94, 95

why Ivanyuzenkov?? :rant:

vorky
02-29-2012, 02:55 PM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-stumpf-1-1-a-vlci-stracaju-na-junost-uz-14-bodov-tolcinskij-prekonal-grigorenka)
95ers: Bučnevič a Ilja Ivanov both 0+1, Tolčinskij 1+0
Tolčinskij has 18 goals, it is more than Mikhail Grigorenko had last season (17). Both were youngest players (per date year) of a season. Grigorenko had 35 pts, Tolcinskij has 31 pts but more played games.

Grigorenko (http://mhl.khl.ru/players/14867/#c)
Tolcinskij (http://mhl.khl.ru/players/17991/)

Helpoing
02-29-2012, 03:23 PM
HK Juniors win their first home game 4:3 and take the lead in the series 2:1 :handclap:

why Ivanyuzenkov?? :rant:
:help:

Latgale_fan
02-29-2012, 06:05 PM
roster for All Star Game MHL U18 - Future Cup or so (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-komentare/mhl-nominacie-na-pohar-nadeji)
east in russian (http://mhl2.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=61961) and west in russian (http://mhl2.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=61962)

date: 12.march, Chelyabinsk
captains: Khacei (Chacej) and Osnovin
players: 94, 95

why Ivanyuzenkov?? :rant:

I believe there was a vote for starting five and I guess Ivanyuzenkov has a lot of friends, the same about that Dizelist guy from MHL B...... That's why I see some strange surnames where Lipsbergs and Bukarts, imho, should be. In Latvia nobody even noticed that there'll be such a game I guess and even less would know that there was voting for players......

Anyway nice for MHL to do such thing but seems like there are still not many guys who follow MHL very closely and maybe it would've been better that the team would be chosen by coaches of MHL.

Also no offense to Khacei but I think in this list there are some even better candidates than him for captaincy.

Anyway I would've loved to see Latvians represented here and I think Lipsbergs and Bukarts would definitely fit the criteria and could be in top 12 1994/1995 forward category but if there was a vote... well, our bad. And if the vote got in some kind of Dizelist guy and Ivanyuzhenkov then coaches had to include Tolchinsky and Buchnevich etc. top names because otherwise the game would be a farce

Latgale_fan
02-29-2012, 06:15 PM
I think Avto might take a mix of cash and picks. Though Avto isn't such a bad place for Rihards. There isn't enough roster depth, so he might get a few call-ups, plus they also have a MHL team which needs leaders. The only problem is paycheck delay :laugh:
Honestly I don't think Vityaz or Avto would be a bad thing for any young player. In both teams you can get decent ice time + there actually are great youth coaches, maybe less in Vityaz but still the main team has Nazarov and even if he talks like a goon and beats fans with a stick, he's a good specialist and one of Team Russia coaches. In Avto the same, maybe their MHL and KHL teams are at the bottom of the table but that's not because of quality of their schools, IMHO, but because they simply don't have money to compete with the big clubs for players, even in MHL level good players move where the money is :shakehead

Latgale_fan
02-29-2012, 06:18 PM
HK Juniors win their first home game 4:3 and take the lead in the series 2:1 :handclap:

Here's hope they win the series tomorrow :nod::nod: After that it will be hard though, I don't think that reinforcements from HK Riga will arrive too.
But it'd already be an achievement if boys managed to beat Baltica

vorky
02-29-2012, 06:28 PM
I believe there was a vote for starting five and I guess Ivanyuzenkov has a lot of friends, the same about that Dizelist guy from MHL B......
no, he was not selected by fans, look at fans decision (http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=135589&SECTION_ID=) The rest of teams was chosen by coaches or MHL itself.

Tolchinsky and Buchnevich
both are here

cska78
02-29-2012, 08:02 PM
Ivanyuzhenkov has a rich papa, that's why!

Vzhik will tear it up!

Helpoing
03-01-2012, 02:18 AM
@Latgale_fan
I'm very upset that absolutely no Latvian guys were named to the U-18 ASG roster. Rih. Bukarts has even a better point per game rate and a better +/- than Barbashev-juniour (both play for outsiders). Ivanyuzhenkov, Ivanov, Busarov, Kvartalnov, Khatsei - at least one Latvian could've been added instead one of those guys.

Agree with your points on Vityaz/Avto.

vorky
03-01-2012, 05:45 AM
Club from city of Serov wants to join MHL B for next season (http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=135600)

cska78
03-01-2012, 06:51 AM
@Latgale_fan
I'm very upset that absolutely no Latvian guys were named to the U-18 ASG roster. Rih. Bukarts has even a better point per game rate and a better +/- than Barbashev-juniour (both play for outsiders). Ivanyuzhenkov, Ivanov, Busarov, Kvartalnov, Khatsei - at least one Latvian could've been added instead one of those guys.

Agree with your points on Vityaz/Avto.

Khatsei is a good player, but Bukharts clearly should have made it.

cska78
03-01-2012, 06:53 AM
Club from city of Serov wants to join MHL B for next season (http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=135600)

it's great that this is official now.

Latgale_fan
03-01-2012, 08:05 AM
Khatsei is a good player, but Bukharts clearly should have made it.
Khatsei is not a bad player but on this roster there are better guys, imho. Sure if some Latvians look only at points in MHL then Khatsei doesn't look that good but he plays for a strong team and he's certainly better than some other surnames here who aren't even on NHL European Midterm rankings list....

then again Khatsei is only 104 in Midterm rankings while Lipsbers 84 and Jevpalovs 86. On the other hand Jevpalovs and Lipsbergs already had an opportunity to play at WJC, for scouts to look at, while any Russian born 1994 who's not Grigorenko could only dream about that, so I don't know. But I think Lipsbergs and Bukarts should've been there. Lipsbergs 27 pts in 54 games might not say much but then some others on this list haven't done better. Also to add the fact that Lipsbergs is HK Riga's top scorer at the moment, whom else to choose as ''the future'' as the potential MHL club's star next season (or even already this season).

Helpoing
03-01-2012, 01:31 PM
A real battle going on between HK Juniors and Baltica, 2:2 in the 2nd.

Helpoing
03-01-2012, 02:32 PM
VICTORY for Hk Juniors! Great feat!

ozo
03-01-2012, 02:44 PM
VICTORY for Hk Juniors! Great feat!

A really superb achievement. I'm glad that their season isn't over. Tasting some (relative) success, could motivate them to work even harder in future.

vorky
03-01-2012, 03:35 PM
only one game today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-dolezite-vitazstvo-vlkov-nad-juniorkou-sibiru)
Vlci won over Sibir Snipers

cska78
03-02-2012, 07:12 AM
wow, nice job by Riga knocking off Baltica, the Lithuanians had other plans for this season. Now what happens if Juniors promote to MHL-A will they actually go through with it?

ozo
03-02-2012, 07:37 AM
wow, nice job by Riga knocking off Baltica, the Lithuanians had other plans for this season. Now what happens if Juniors promote to MHL-A will they actually go through with it?

Meh, judging by their website, Lithuanians stopped caring a long time ago.

The rulers of club haven't said anything publicly, so we can only speculate. If the unlikely happens and Juniors somehow got promoted, I think club would say, no thanks. It's not like Juniors were outplaying the opposition in every game this season, so the competition is good enough for them and the added cost of shipping another roster around Russia doesn't make it worth it.

Latgale_fan
03-02-2012, 07:45 AM
wow, nice job by Riga knocking off Baltica, the Lithuanians had other plans for this season. Now what happens if Juniors promote to MHL-A will they actually go through with it?

I don't see them moving any further, to the 1/2 finals. "Batir'' will be too good for them. At least guys will be able to travel a bit and finally play against some good Eastern team and compar how's the level there.

But if they somehow gain a possibility to go to MHL, I'd say they won't go. Latvia's hockey is not as strong to support two successful MHL teams (if we really play with 92,93,94 born guys, not with that many overagers) and, as it was already said, MHL B is good enough for a team based on 93,94 guys to play in.

ozo
03-02-2012, 02:25 PM
I don't see them moving any further, to the 1/2 finals. "Batir'' will be too good for them. At least guys will be able to travel a bit and finally play against some good Eastern team and compar how's the level there.



After a closer inspection, Batyr doesn't look like a much better team than Baltica. Most of the team leaders are 20-21 year-old cast-offs from Ufa, though the whole roster on average is a fair bit more younger than Lithuanian. If Juniors will manage to take at least one game from the in Neftekamsk, it could go both ways.

vorky
03-02-2012, 03:15 PM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-riga-ma-play-off-na-dohlad)
Goalies Ustinskij (Gazovik) and Šaryčenkov (MVD) had A
F Kugryšev (Červená Armáda) and Tuljakov (Ruskí Víťazi) with hattrick
Bučnevič (´95) game winning goal, he has 14+25 and should be best among his age group (I will make stats after regular season ends). He has more pts than Mikhail Grigorenko had last season (17+18).

Latgale_fan
03-02-2012, 03:24 PM
A really superb achievement. I'm glad that their season isn't over. Tasting some (relative) success, could motivate them to work even harder in future.
Their season will not end for some time, they still have Latvian league play-offs aheah. I was wondering, if they get past Batyr or have a longer series, how will it affect their Latvian league play-offs that should start a bit later...

Guys have a lot of games this season... 36 MHL B regular season games + 38 Latvian league games= already 74 games + play-offs in both leagues, it could amount to around 90 games at the end of the season. Huge strain on young players :( There's also U18 WC coming and 5-6 guys could be there from HK Riga...

Sure they can get some reinforcements from HK Riga if HK Riga season ends early but still it might get pretty confusing/ bad if they get past Batyr, HK Riga has longer play-off series and Latvian leagues play-off comes up too. They already postponed Latvian league game for MHL B play-off.

ozo
03-02-2012, 04:00 PM
Their season will not end for some time, they still have Latvian league play-offs aheah. I was wondering, if they get past Batyr or have a longer series, how will it affect their Latvian league play-offs that should start a bit later...

Guys have a lot of games this season... 36 MHL B regular season games + 38 Latvian league games= already 74 games + play-offs in both leagues, it could amount to around 90 games at the end of the season. Huge strain on young players :( There's also U18 WC coming and 5-6 guys could be there from HK Riga...

Sure they can get some reinforcements from HK Riga if HK Riga season ends early but still it might get pretty confusing/ bad if they get past Batyr, HK Riga has longer play-off series and Latvian leagues play-off comes up too. They already postponed Latvian league game for MHL B play-off.

You absolutely had to find a negative in this, didn't you? :D Dunno, it's better like this, than like some 5-6 years ago than we had to play Energia and LM 5 times per season and call it a season. If worst comes, and success becomes unbearable (the most absurd thing I've ever written in my life) they can always throw a series in one competition. :D

Latgale_fan
03-02-2012, 04:25 PM
You absolutely had to find a negative in this, didn't you? :D Dunno, it's better like this, than like some 5-6 years ago than we had to play Energia and LM 5 times per season and call it a season. If worst comes, and success becomes unbearable (the most absurd thing I've ever written in my life) they can always throw a series in one competition. :D
Don't necessarily find it negative, only the fact that they might be too tired at the end to go much further in play-offs.
And I don't know how's it with other MHL B teams. Do they play, say, in Russia 3rd tier leagues or somewhere else except of MHL B. Cause 36 games for a season seems too little but as I said, 74 in the regular season might be ok for NHL but I don't know about young players who still also need a lot of time to practice and tone their skills, not only to play every day... Even in CHL they don't play as many games.

vorky
03-02-2012, 04:35 PM
Do they play, say, in Russia 3rd tier leagues or somewhere else except of MHL B.
I dont think so. IMO MHL B will have more games next season because it will have more clubs.

ozo
03-02-2012, 04:58 PM
Don't necessarily find it negative, only the fact that they might be too tired at the end to go much further in play-offs.
And I don't know how's it with other MHL B teams. Do they play, say, in Russia 3rd tier leagues or somewhere else except of MHL B.

If MHL B clubs parent team, doesn't have proper MHL affiliate, than said youth team acts as one, for example, Oktan - Molot (VHL), Altay Barnaul Jr -Altay Barnaul (Russia3) . None team's fully participates in two tournaments simultaneously with the same roster, but Moscow team players can play and odd game in regional championships as well (especially younger players).

vorky
03-03-2012, 07:41 AM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-juniorka-astany-prisla-o-play-off-vecer-na-spisi-juniorka-omska)
F Pankov and Emelin has been playing for Tolpar since february..both started season in VHL/KHL.
It seems Kazakhs wont make play-off, MHK Spartak will make it.

EDIT:
Vlci vs Omsk (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-vlci-hladko-podlahli-juniorke-omska)

Helpoing
03-03-2012, 09:49 AM
Don't worry about HK Juniors busy schedule, they have a big roster and a good rotation (about 40 players if you count OLC & MHL-B together).

Plus HK Juniors will get a boost from HK Riga in the Latvian play-off later rounds (management added 10+ players at the deadline, mostly '92s and older). Podzinsh will play for them no doubt, to become eligible to play for Team Latvia.

Latgale_fan
03-04-2012, 05:54 AM
Buchnevich is a beast, 45 games 15g+29a= 44pts. Few more games and by PPG he could become top scorer of MHL ijn U17 group, beating Kucherov's 54pts in 53 games in 2009/2010. Also considering how relatively weak he started the season and has now become a point machine, today it was 1+4 or sth.

Of course he's playing on a great team but so was Grigorenko last year. Though he doesn't seem as good as Nichushkin or Tolchinsky when it comes to national team games.

vorky
03-04-2012, 01:23 PM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-junost-prehrala-bucnevic-prekonal-grigorenka)
MHK Spartak makes play-off, fight for last spot in divisions is among HK Riga/Lions Pete, Čajka/Reaktor and Mamuty Jugry/Gazovik

hattricks Artjom Fjodorov (´93,MHK Chimik) and Alexej Trandin (´90, Almaz)

Rihards Bukarts (´95) 0+1
Pavel Bučnevič (´95) 1+4 - he has played 45 games/44 pts, Kučerov (´93) played 53 games/54 pts in 09/10, Mikhail Grigorenko played 45 games/35 pts last seaon.

great attendance in Bobrujsk and Voskresenk

Latgale_fan
03-04-2012, 02:15 PM
HK Riga almost guarantees play-offs. 2 games left, 5 points ahead of "Silver Foxes'' who also have 2 games... and Riga has two home games vs outsiders, Vlci.

vorky
03-04-2012, 02:33 PM
HK Riga almost guarantees play-offs. 2 games left, 5 points ahead of "Silver Foxes'' who also have 2 games... and Riga has two home games vs outsiders, Vlci.

yes, HK Riga makes play-off for sure

vorky
03-05-2012, 09:17 AM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-zacal-posledny-tyzden-zakladnej-casti)
last week of regular season has just started
F Matvej Tymčenko (´95) of Amur played 2nd game in MHL, had A

Mathradio
03-06-2012, 10:37 AM
Vasilevski would probably be better off playing in the VHL if his VHL affiliate is in the playoffs.

cska78
03-06-2012, 01:13 PM
they have decent goalies in the V

vorky
03-06-2012, 03:20 PM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-stumpf-prispel-k-bodu-junosti-petrohradske-levy-definitivne-mimo-play-off)
big victory Red Army over Olympia (12:3) - Gusev (2+4),Kučerov (3+1)
Slepyšev (´94) scored 2 goals
Tolčinskij (´95) 1+1, he has 33pts, Mikhail Grigorenko had 35pts
other 95guys: Ilja Ivanov (1+0), Rihards Bukarts (0+1)

Helpoing
03-06-2012, 03:45 PM
Vasilevski would probably be better off playing in the VHL if his VHL affiliate is in the playoffs.
Toros is one of the strongest teams in the V, no way would they put an 18yo in goal (even if he is very talented; well, maybe Tretiak would do :D). Besides, the kid still has room to grow in the M.

ozo
03-06-2012, 04:22 PM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-stumpf-prispel-k-bodu-junosti-petrohradske-levy-definitivne-mimo-play-off)
big victory Red Army over Olympia (12:3) - Gusev (2+4),Kučerov (3+1)
Slepyšev (´94) scored 2 goals
Tolčinskij (´95) 1+1, he has 33pts, Mikhail Grigorenko had 35pts
other 95guys: Ilja Ivanov (1+0), Rihards Bukarts (0+1)

Seems like the only competition CSKA can win nowadays is MHL. How the might have fallen :D

vorky
03-06-2012, 04:54 PM
seems this Buchnevich guy is clever one
(http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=135667)

Вы закрепились в «Алмазе». Какая следующая цель?
Хочу сыграть в КХЛ. Надеюсь этим летом попасть на сборы основной команды.
You are key guy of Almaz. What is next aim?
I want to play KHL. I hope I will make training camp of senior team in summer

Есть ли игроки, игра которых вам импонирует?
В НХЛ нравится, как играют Дацюк и Малкин. А в КХЛ – Вадик Шипачёв. Было бы здорово сыграть с ним за «Северсталь».
What player do you like?
I like play of Datsyuk and Malkin from NHL. From KHL I like Shipchyov, would be great to play with him for Severstal

vorky
03-07-2012, 11:38 AM
MHL today (http://www.webhokej24.sk/rusko/mhl-aktualne/mhl-petrohradske-levi-vyhrali-derby-s-ska-1946-dvakrat-ich-ale-uvidia-aj-na-spisi)
St.Pete derby, last game of Lions in regular season

Helpoing
03-09-2012, 12:53 AM
It's been in the news for a while: Roman Lyubimov got into a major quarrel with his coach (with a Radulov-esque public tweet), packed his things and left for Tver, his hometown.

cska78
03-09-2012, 10:06 AM
It's been in the news for a while: Roman Lyubimov got into a major quarrel with his coach (with a Radulov-esque public tweet), packed his things and left for Tver, his hometown.

with Uvaev? that's too bad (((((

Latgale_fan
03-09-2012, 09:29 PM
http://sportacentrs.com/hokejs/mhl/10032012-elegants_vartu_guvums_indrasis_izpildijum

Indrašis ''Granlund" goal in MHL vs Vlci. Not the first such goal in MHL, Spartak youth also did that in the game vs Chaika in November

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcFVdejz7io

Helpoing
03-09-2012, 11:53 PM
with Uvaev? that's too bad (((((
He didn't clarify, but I think it was Uvaev. Screenshot. (http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/7538/ae703cf02cdd.jpg)

cska78
03-10-2012, 02:24 PM
Lyubimov played in the last game

cska78
03-10-2012, 02:25 PM
He didn't clarify, but I think it was Uvaev. Screenshot. (http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/7538/ae703cf02cdd.jpg)

wow....

IJKPrinciple
03-12-2012, 11:44 AM
West wins the Future Cup.
Thus West has won all 3 all-star games: Challenge Cup (MHL-A all-star game), Generation Cup (MHL-B all-star game), Future Cup (MHL U-18 all-star game)

:yo:

cska78
03-12-2012, 01:20 PM
West wins the Future Cup.
Thus West has won all 3 all-star games: Challenge Cup (MHL-A all-star game), Generation Cup (MHL-B all-star game), Future Cup (MHL U-18 all-star game)

:yo:

yup, but they still think they have better players in the east)))

ozo
03-12-2012, 01:48 PM
yup, but they still think they have better players in the east)))

Well they have more hockey hotbeds in the east.

Helpoing
03-12-2012, 02:07 PM
News about the World Junior Cup (link to the respective thread). (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?p=45946183#post45946183)

cska78
03-15-2012, 11:32 AM
Play offs in MHL-A have started today, right now listening to the Red Army game (1:1 so far).

MHL - B - is an interesting situation, with the amount of overagers I thought, that Berdsk would cruise through the play offs, yet they ran into trouble with Kransoyarsk already (2:2 after 4 games) Oktan is impressive, still don't understand why noone drafted Abramov...

IJKPrinciple
03-16-2012, 08:25 PM
Red Stars will participate in the 2012 IIHF U20 Challenge Cup of Asia. Interesting stuff.

Helpoing
03-19-2012, 03:01 PM
Krasnaya Armiya is one step away from a failure of epic proportions.

IJKPrinciple
03-19-2012, 10:02 PM
I don't get one thing about the play-outs - teams that have enough points so they can't end in one of the two last places even if they lose all remaining games - what's their motivation to win? They might as well not show up for the games and get an automatic 3-0 loss.

This is kind of similar to the current situation in the Russian football league - where during this season (and this season only) the 8 teams with most points after 30 rounds play in one group (for the championship), while the remaining 8 play in the other group (trying to avoid relegation). The "relegation group" teams have no chance to get beyond the 9th place (even if they have more points than the 8th placed team in the "championship group").

But all this is probably similar to a situation in a hockey league where even if there's only one group, however you have a specific number of points that guarantees you that even if you win all remaining games in regular season, you won't be getting to the playoffs, while if you lose every remaining game, there is still no chance you'll be endangered by ending on any of the relegation places in the standings. A "DMZ" of sorts.

Helpoing
03-20-2012, 01:48 PM
Only 1 team in the East managed to prolong the series, while Loko, Reaktor & Tolpar (!!!) went down 0:3. And in the West 3 series are tied 2:2.

Payback time for Atlanty :p:

Latgale_fan
03-20-2012, 02:02 PM
I don't get one thing about the play-outs - teams that have enough points so they can't end in one of the two last places even if they lose all remaining games - what's their motivation to win? They might as well not show up for the games and get an automatic 3-0 loss.


I too don't get this play-out thing. They could've just taken 8 teams and made a reverse play-off. The best in points vs worst in best of 5 series, then the wining 4 teams are safe and the remaining 4 still battle to win their series and be safe while those 2 teams who lose both series are relegated. Instead they add still another 16 or so games to the schedule to all these teams...

ozo
03-22-2012, 08:09 AM
Though Kemerovo, Kurgan, etc all should have a team in the MHL B as well.

Quoted from the old thread, because we can tick the box next to Kurgan. :naughty:

cska78
03-23-2012, 06:53 AM
looks like Riga has packed it in, West is very competitive this year.

cska78
03-23-2012, 02:24 PM
Red Army wins in OT (Lyubimov)! looses 4 players for the next round though: Zykov, Lisov, Timirev, and Tolchinskiy are off to u18.

IJKPrinciple
03-23-2012, 05:12 PM
The MHL-B presented the trophy that will be awarded to the playoff champion. Ladies and gentlemen, the Regions Cup!

http://mhl2.khl.ru/upload/photo/DSC_0004_vnutr.jpg

I couldn't wrap my mind around what this cup reminds me of, but now I got it! To me, it's a clear ripoff of the IIHF World Championships trophy.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll96e3UTBq1qcamu1o1_500.jpg

cska78
03-27-2012, 03:35 PM
heard the rumor today from one of the Allhockey posters, that Olimpia, Belie Tigry and Khimik may petition out of the MHL and join RHL.

Helpoing
03-27-2012, 03:57 PM
heard the rumor today from one of the Allhockey posters, that Olimpia, Belie Tigry and Khimik may petition out of the MHL and join RHL.
RHL is the 3rd tier league right now?

EDIT: And what's their reasoning? Or is it just the continuation of FHR vs MHL battle?

ozo
03-27-2012, 04:06 PM
heard the rumor today from one of the Allhockey posters, that Olimpia, Belie Tigry and Khimik may petition out of the MHL and join RHL.

I guess these cities simply want to play at senior level, right? I'm all for the return of the established hockey names like Olimpia and especially Khimik to senior hockey. :handclap:

IJKPrinciple
03-27-2012, 06:45 PM
RHL is the 3rd tier league right now?

Correct, it is below KHL and VHL.

cska78
03-28-2012, 06:59 AM
I guess these cities simply want to play at senior level, right? I'm all for the return of the established hockey names like Olimpia and especially Khimik to senior hockey. :handclap:

well yes, but probably can't afford to keep the team in the MHL for $ reasons. And knowing how our NT coaches look at lower tier leagues for talent( for example this guy: http://mhl2.khl.ru/players/16673/, who all of a sudden no longer being called up to NT) - that will take these 3 cities off the junior NT map. Plus, there's almost no way to follow RHL except for non-professional web-sites here and there plus the ever poor FHR site.

ozo
03-28-2012, 10:34 AM
well yes, but probably can't afford to keep the team in the MHL for $ reasons. And knowing how our NT coaches look at lower tier leagues for talent( for example this guy: http://mhl2.khl.ru/players/16673/, who all of a sudden no longer being called up to NT) - that will take these 3 cities off the junior NT map. Plus, there's almost no way to follow RHL except for non-professional web-sites here and there plus the ever poor FHR site.

I don't quite follow you. Abramov was actually called to NT camp from the old pervaya league so Khimik players still will have chance of being spotted. And the KHL draft will milk the best players away anyway.

cska78
03-28-2012, 12:12 PM
I don't quite follow you. Abramov was actually called to NT camp from the old pervaya league so Khimik players still will have chance of being spotted. And the KHL draft will milk the best players away anyway.

Pervaya liga was at that point >>>>> RHL, as he started playing in MHL-B he wasn't called up anymore.

ozo
03-28-2012, 12:40 PM
Pervaya liga was at that point >>>>> RHL, as he started playing in MHL-B he wasn't called up anymore.

I'm not sure I agree, most of the pervaya league sides are still at the RHL, if anything there nowadays are less reserve sides with unsettled rosters so competition seems more legit. Though you could be right, I don't know.

vorky
03-28-2012, 01:27 PM
Kristall Berdsk and Oktan Perm are in final of MHL B. According to rules, these clubs should promote to MHL A for next season.

cska78
03-28-2012, 02:24 PM
I'm not sure I agree, most of the pervaya league sides are still at the RHL, if anything there nowadays are less reserve sides with unsettled rosters so competition seems more legit. Though you could be right, I don't know.

considering the fact that pervaya liga lost all the teams from the KHL (to MHL), some to VHL and some directly to MHL I think it's reasonable to claim that it got weaker.

cska78
03-28-2012, 02:26 PM
Kristall Berdsk and Oktan Perm are in final of MHL B. According to rules, these clubs should promote to MHL A for next season.

not so sure Berdsk is a good candidate but Oktan sure is - pretty strong school, mostly relying on it's own kids. Berdsk has a lot of older guys from the side. Will be a worthy final either way.

vorky
03-28-2012, 02:44 PM
not so sure Berdsk is a good candidate but Oktan sure is - pretty strong school, mostly relying on it's own kids. Berdsk has a lot of older guys from the side. Will be a worthy final either way.

we will see... final decision will be made after season. There is chaos about next season.. we dont know if Tatranskí Vlci goes on or not. What about joining Energie Karlovy Vary to MHL A not B?? Many Qs, we will see.

cska78
03-29-2012, 06:51 AM
we will see... final decision will be made after season. There is chaos about next season.. we dont know if Tatranskí Vlci goes on or not. What about joining Energie Karlovy Vary to MHL A not B?? Many Qs, we will see.

that we will :)

vorky
03-30-2012, 01:50 PM
Am I blind? 7 100 people in Khabarovsk, sold out..
http://mhl.khl.ru/report/205/?idgame=34047

Khabarovsk is out, Atlanti goes on

ozo
04-01-2012, 05:28 AM
Which is the youngest team still in the competition? I need a team to root for.

Helpoing
04-03-2012, 01:35 PM
Red Army and Almaz tied at 3 after 1st OT.

EDIT: RA wins it.

cska78
04-03-2012, 07:17 PM
Great win, considering that Red Army is shorthanded on D (only 5 guys)

IJKPrinciple
04-09-2012, 01:12 PM
Batyr has bronze in MHL-B after beating Dizelist in both matches.

kiluj
04-11-2012, 01:51 PM
Red Army in the finals. Gusev with 5 points game (4 goals).

IJKPrinciple
04-13-2012, 03:42 PM
Oktan wins Regions Cup. Yastreby in the finals.

vorky
04-13-2012, 04:31 PM
Table
Avto, 68games, 74pts
Olympia, 69g, 68pts

Tatranskí Vlci, 68g, 67pts
Ladya, 69g, 61pts

It is almost sure Ladya will be relegated to MHL B. Second relegated team should be Olympia. Both will play last 3 games against each other. Avto will save your MHL A spot, Vlci can be relegated - we will see. Vlci needs 10 pts of 12 to save.

Oktan Perm and Kristall Berdsk promote according to rules. Final decision will be made soon.

ozo
04-13-2012, 04:37 PM
Table
Avto, 68games, 74pts
Olympia, 69g, 68pts

Tatranskí Vlci, 68g, 67pts
Ladya, 69g, 61pts

It is almost sure Ladya will be relegated to MHL B. Second relegated team should be Olympia. Both will play last 3 games against each other. Avto will save your MHL A spot, Vlci can be relegated - we will see. Vlci needs 10 pts of 12 to save.

Oktan Perm and Kristall Berdsk promote according to rules. Final decision will be made soon.
It probably won't be as simple as there are those rumours of some teams like Khimik leaving the MHL. So Lada could be saved in such fashion after all.

vorky
04-13-2012, 04:46 PM
It probably won't be as simple as there are those rumours of some teams like Khimik leaving the MHL. So Lada could be saved in such fashion after all.

I agree, therefore I wrote "according to rules". Plus we dont know what will be destiny of Vlci and Energie K.Vary joining. Btw, Khimik wants to play VHL or dissapear? If they want to play VHL, they have to create MHL team as well.

ozo
04-13-2012, 04:47 PM
I agree, therefore I wrote "according to rules". Plus we dont know what will be destiny of Vlci and Energie K.Vary joining. Btw, Khimik wants to play VHL or dissapear? If they want to play VHL, they have to create MHL team as well.

From what I understand the RHL is their destination of choice.

vorky
04-13-2012, 04:54 PM
thx, strange solution for me.

ozo
04-13-2012, 05:05 PM
thx, strange solution for me.

It all comes down to money. Even VHL/MHL and MHL nowadays is ridiculously expensive. It will happen to every team which will lose its sponsors.

vorky
04-13-2012, 05:26 PM
800 mil euro for MHL A or 400 mil eur for MHL B is expensive? I dont know, I read statements that playing MHL is cheaper/equall than former Pervaya Liga. If I am correct, this debate was before MHL A or B creating.

cska78
04-18-2012, 03:10 PM
i hear Karlovy V. may be joining the MHL?

zorz
04-18-2012, 03:27 PM
i hear Karlovy V. may be joining the MHL?

I think it is done deal. But nobody knows if they will be somehow related to HC Lev or not. Also nobody knows if HC Lev will have it's own team if KV would be separate.

vorky
04-18-2012, 04:12 PM
according to Efimov, fate of Vlci will be known soon, maybe next week.

cska78
04-18-2012, 09:15 PM
i heard HC Lev had no interest of carrying an MHL team, at least this coming season. HC Poprad, probably can't afford to support the wolves, no there's any point for them to play in the MHL-B...

vorky
04-19-2012, 04:23 AM
this info is sad and rumoured for couple of weeks. Unfortunatelly, if Wolves dissapeares, Slovakia will not have participant at World Club Junior Cup acc.to Efimov.

ozo
04-19-2012, 08:01 AM
I see no point of having Poprad or HK Riga there for the sake of "Internationality". If they aren't champions then GTFO. Reminds me the times when Japan was artificially kept in Elite WC.

vorky
04-19-2012, 08:23 AM
I see no point of having Poprad or HK Riga there for the sake of "Internationality". If they aren't champions then GTFO. Reminds me the times when Japan was artificially kept in Elite WC.

Do you mean Junior Club World Cup? I dont like idea if czech rep or Slovakia is represented by MHL team of respective country. The same Latvia, Belarus. On the other hand, does Latvia or Belarus better jr team? Slovakia, Czech rep is another story...tourney takes place 2nd edition, future can be another

IJKPrinciple
04-19-2012, 10:20 AM
this info is sad and rumoured for couple of weeks. Unfortunatelly, if Wolves dissapeares, Slovakia will not have participant at World Club Junior Cup acc.to Efimov.

What the? This is stupid. Slovakia should send the Slovak Junior Extraliga champion, which is Košice.

vorky
04-19-2012, 10:30 AM
What the? This is stupid. Slovakia should send the Slovak Junior Extraliga champion, which is Košice.

I agree with you.. read this
Мне бы очень хочется верить в то, что с "Татранскими волками" все будет хорошо, и мы найдем 12-ю страну (для участия в Кубке мира). Если мы будем понимать, что они прекратят свое существование и не приедут на Кубок мира, то мы остановимся на десяти командах, которые уже подтвердили свое участие", - рассказал Ефимов корреспонденту агентства (http://rsport.ru/hockey/20120418/592340610.html)

I understand this statement like I wrote earlier. Maybe journalist wrote something what Efimov did not say....

IJKPrinciple
04-19-2012, 10:36 AM
I agree with you.. read this


I understand this statement like I wrote earlier. Maybe journalist wrote something what Efimov did not say....

So if Vlci dissolve, not only won't MHL ask Košice to participate, they will also kick out the 11th team (USA or Switzerland I presume).

Just great. :shakehead :(

vorky
04-19-2012, 10:51 AM
not like this, Switzerland has not confirm participation as I understand. We will see. Maybe slovak federation is not interesting in participation.. I would not be suprised

IJKPrinciple
04-22-2012, 01:09 PM
I'd like to congratulate Vlci on retaining their MHL-A membership by winning today's match against Junost. Too bad this is probably their last match ever if they disband after this season.

vorky
04-22-2012, 01:27 PM
According to sport results, Olympia and Ladya are relegated to MHL B. We will see what happens with Vlci in midseason. Oktan Perm and Kristall Berdsk should promote.

cska78
04-24-2012, 07:31 AM
I hope RA wins today! by getting Lisov and Zadorov back and finally playing a game with at least 3 pairs of d-man, team has looked better. It's pretty unthinkable, that a team played 5 d-men throughout most of the play offs and managed to make it to the finals!

cska78
04-24-2012, 10:14 AM
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137093

summary of Efimov's appearance on Autoradio.

vorky
04-24-2012, 10:34 AM
Is reducing matches during regular season a good idea? what do you think? I look at J20 SuperElit schedule, swedes has also 46-50 games. What about CHL, Finns?

cska78
04-25-2012, 07:40 AM
I have no opinion here, simply don't know.

vorky
04-26-2012, 11:44 AM
Omskie Yastreby is champion

cska78
04-26-2012, 03:15 PM
Omskie Yastreby is champion

good for them :rant::rant::rant:

Latgale_fan
04-27-2012, 08:00 AM
Is reducing matches during regular season a good idea? what do you think? I look at J20 SuperElit schedule, swedes has also 46-50 games. What about CHL, Finns?
IMO the number of games is fine as it's the same (or even bit less) than CHL, J20 Superelit, USHL has... They should get rid of this play-out thing (with continuing the regular season for these clubs) and should rather make it like reverse play-off if they need that kind of thing... for bottom 8 teams to, say, in the series of best (worst) of 5 to decide 2 worst teams that leave the league....

I don't think people cared much about this play-out... it was just another bunch of games, usually even played without foreigners who were already back home (like both Dašutins from MVD and Bukarts from Latvia didn't play in these games...).

Also I don't know about this relegation thing as IMHO MHL-B level is much lower than MHL level at the moment so there's not much sense in it... Maybe MHL B level will increase with time but seeing how Dinamo Riga uses MHL B team as the farm club of HK Riga and other KHL teams probably do the same, I don't know....

cska78
04-27-2012, 09:30 AM
HC Energia has officially joined the MHL, now how come it's MHL-A (is it?) I don't get it.
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137211&SECTION_ID=1

zorz
04-27-2012, 09:45 AM
They will probably just replace Tatranski vlci which most likely won't exist anymore.

cska78
04-27-2012, 09:47 AM
They will probably just replace Tatranski vlci which most likely won't exist anymore.

that's what I thought, but it's still kinda fishy...

zorz
04-27-2012, 09:51 AM
that's what I thought, but it's still kinda fishy...

It is, but do you really want me to repeat that phrase which pops up from time to time on this board? :)

vorky
04-27-2012, 10:00 AM
MHL annouced 6 new members of MHL B. So it means Energia will play MHL A. My opinion.
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137214

EDIT

MHL B newcomers: Dmitrov, Zaurale Kurgan, HK Ryazan, Buran Voronezh, HK Belgorod, Sputnik Nižniy Tagil

zorz
04-27-2012, 10:06 AM
MHL annouced 6 new members of MHL B. So it means Energia will play MHL A. My opinion.
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137214

EDIT

MHL B newcomers: Dmitrov, Zaurale Kurgan, HK Ryazan, Buran Voronezh, HK Belgorod, Sputnik Nižniy Tagil

do you know which clubs they are affilated to?

btw. I think it's not necessarily bad thing for Czech hockey to have a club in MHL. Maybe HC Lev could add their team in the future too. It could convince some players not to leave for CHL too early as we see many of them are not ready when they leave.

vorky
04-27-2012, 10:13 AM
Dmitrov -
Zaurale Kurgan - VHL club
HK Ryazan - VHL club
Buran Voronezh -
HK Belgorod -
Sputnik Nižniy Tagil - VHL club and Alexander Radulov :D

I dont know about rest of them

cska78
04-27-2012, 10:41 AM
Buran and Belgorod are from RHL (former first league), Dmitrov had a team in Vyshaya Liga, that went bankrupt in 09 (correct me if the date is wrong), and they have decided to have a team in the MHL-B as of next season.

cska78
04-27-2012, 10:42 AM
It is, but do you really want me to repeat that phrase which pops up from time to time on this board? :)

something like: this is Russia?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

zorz
04-27-2012, 10:55 AM
something like: this is Russia?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

yeah and everything is possible there :laugh: ;)

cska78
04-27-2012, 11:04 AM
Buran and Belgorod are from RHL (former first league), Dmitrov had a team in Vyshaya Liga, that went bankrupt in 09 (correct me if the date is wrong), and they have decided to have a team in the MHL-B as of next season.

the interesting aspect is that Yrasolavl' was planning to have Loko play in Dmitrov in the MHL as well...we'll see

vorky
04-27-2012, 01:05 PM
Antonov confirmed on twitter that Energie will play MHL A

cska78
04-27-2012, 01:39 PM
Antonov confirmed on twitter that Energie will play MHL A

on which ground?

Fulcrum
04-27-2012, 01:54 PM
Energie joining- This is a great thing. It's a good club with history and traditions. Just want to say welcome to all the Czech fans, hopefully you will enjoy the league.

Hopefully this partnership will help with unnecessary migration of players to CHL.

vorky
04-27-2012, 01:58 PM
on which ground?

sorry, I dont undestand you..
here it is https://twitter.com/#!/AAntonov_MHL

Latgale_fan
04-28-2012, 07:09 AM
that's what I thought, but it's still kinda fishy...

I don't necessarily see anything fishy there IF TATRANSKI VLCI ceize to exist. After all if LEV moves to Prague, their MHL team (presumably Energia is the far club/junior club of LEV) can move too...
If Vlci stay in the league as a junior club of, say, Slovan, it would raise more questions for me as it was said that MHL A is and will be 32 teams...

But in any case I support that KHL clubs would automatically have junior clubs in MHL A. I know it might not be possible in future but, if MHL B competition doesn't increase, there will be no use for a KHL club to play its juniors in MHL B... this year already candidates for NT Latvia Bukarts (who also became topscorer in Spengler Cup and already has 3 goals for NT in WC) and Indrašis played in MHL. If Riga got relegated, what wouls they gain in MHL B... It's lightyears behind MHL level...

So I don't really like relegation at all in MHL A... or in total I've never been a believer of open leagues, I think it's a nice idea but in reality it can't really work (see EPL, for example or Spanish league or whatever, clubs don't gain anything from it... Elitserien is one great example but if they had 16 teams in the top league, it'd be the same... bad teams would be replaced by other bad teams and they'd never be able to develop any further as they'd always fear of playing lower level hockey next season....)

J17 Vs Proclamation
04-28-2012, 08:44 AM
So I don't really like relegation at all in MHL A... or in total I've never been a believer of open leagues, I think it's a nice idea but in reality it can't really work (see EPL, for example or Spanish league or whatever, clubs don't gain anything from it... Elitserien is one great example but if they had 16 teams in the top league, it'd be the same... bad teams would be replaced by other bad teams and they'd never be able to develop any further as they'd always fear of playing lower level hockey next season....)

I won't comment on relegation in relation to the MHL, as i don't know the implications financially of such a system, nor do i know the situation of many of the Junior teams.

However, relegation as a system in the EPL (and other leagues) works very well. It's asinine to suggest otherwise. If you close the EPL, you destroy the entire system. You create a tier of 20, who are guaranteed large sums of capital year on year, whilst the rest will never have that, have little incentive to develop players/academies beyond their limitations competition wise, and you'd see the tier below the elite slowly die.

Manchester City were in tier 3 of English football a decade ago. Middlesborough were in the Europa Cup final a few seasons ago, and now live in Tier 2, as do former Champions league winners Nottingham Forrest. Big teams like Newcastle, West Ham have been relegated recently, whilst a team like Reading promotes this year (and has a 30k stadium, bigger than various stadia in the premiership today). An open system works. Many clubs gain from it.

Personally i believe the open league format as helped Swedish hockey tremendously. Various teams from SEL-2 have excellent youth acadamies, and there are many big markets in the second tier. It creates competition and incentive for those markets to improve themselves.

Again, i don't profess to know whether such a system is good for Russian Junior hockey, but you categotically wrong in your other asusmptions.

zorz
04-28-2012, 10:26 AM
I don't necessarily see anything fishy there IF TATRANSKI VLCI ceize to exist. After all if LEV moves to Prague, their MHL team (presumably Energia is the far club/junior club of LEV) can move too...
If Vlci stay in the league as a junior club of, say, Slovan, it would raise more questions for me as it was said that MHL A is and will be 32 teams...

But in any case I support that KHL clubs would automatically have junior clubs in MHL A. I know it might not be possible in future but, if MHL B competition doesn't increase, there will be no use for a KHL club to play its juniors in MHL B... this year already candidates for NT Latvia Bukarts (who also became topscorer in Spengler Cup and already has 3 goals for NT in WC) and Indrašis played in MHL. If Riga got relegated, what wouls they gain in MHL B... It's lightyears behind MHL level...

So I don't really like relegation at all in MHL A... or in total I've never been a believer of open leagues, I think it's a nice idea but in reality it can't really work (see EPL, for example or Spanish league or whatever, clubs don't gain anything from it... Elitserien is one great example but if they had 16 teams in the top league, it'd be the same... bad teams would be replaced by other bad teams and they'd never be able to develop any further as they'd always fear of playing lower level hockey next season....)

That team belongs to Karlovy Vary of the czech league. It has nothing to do with HC Lev.

cska78
04-28-2012, 10:27 AM
I don't necessarily see anything fishy there IF TATRANSKI VLCI ceize to exist. After all if LEV moves to Prague, their MHL team (presumably Energia is the far club/junior club of LEV) can move too...
If Vlci stay in the league as a junior club of, say, Slovan, it would raise more questions for me as it was said that MHL A is and will be 32 teams...


Do you have a link that Energia is a MHL farm of LEV (Prague)? As far as I've heard - Lev weren't interested in having an MHL team; therefore, I was inquiring - how come they get direct spot in the MHL-A. Because if you follow the many precedents, where a third place from the lower league promotes to take a place of a team that has folded: should be Batyr.

vorky
04-28-2012, 10:44 AM
zorz and cska78 are right. Energie Karlovy Vary as MHL team has nothing to do with HC LEV Prague. Btw Tatranski Vlci is still MHL club (follow Antonov twitter). I see there the same scenario like KS last summer

vorky
04-28-2012, 01:12 PM
Dmitrov -
Zaurale Kurgan - VHL club
HK Ryazan - VHL club
Buran Voronezh -
HK Belgorod -
Sputnik Nižniy Tagil - VHL club and Alexander Radulov :D

I dont know about rest of them

Buran should play VHL next season as well

IJKPrinciple
04-30-2012, 05:14 PM
Well according to this:
http://tatranskivlci.eu/clanek.asp?id=Emotivna-rozlucka-v-dobrej-nalade-hraci-sa-rozp%E0chli-buducnost-v-rukach-HK-Poprad-280

Vlci oh so hope HK Poprad would take them under their wing.
So lets say Vlci stays in MHL and Energie joins.
This scenario would mean that only 1 MHL-B team could join MHL-A for upcoming season (because of max number of teams at 32)

So either MHL representatives are 100 % sure Oktan or Kristall Berdsk will decline to be promoted to MHL-A or......

We'll just have to wait and see - this can be interesting...

zorz
04-30-2012, 05:35 PM
Well according to this:
http://tatranskivlci.eu/clanek.asp?id=Emotivna-rozlucka-v-dobrej-nalade-hraci-sa-rozp%E0chli-buducnost-v-rukach-HK-Poprad-280

Vlci oh so hope HK Poprad would take them under their wing.
So lets say Vlci stays in MHL and Energie joins.
This scenario would mean that only 1 MHL-B team could join MHL-A for upcoming season (because of max number of teams at 32)

So either MHL representatives are 100 % sure Oktan or Kristall Berdsk will decline to be promoted to MHL-A or......

We'll just have to wait and see - this can be interesting...

...or they will be given an offer they couldn't refuse :)

IJKPrinciple
05-01-2012, 09:25 AM
New hockey jerseys of Red Stars for the upcoming IIHF U20 Challenge Cup of Asia:
http://mhl.khl.ru/upload/MHL/upload2012/3_640.jpg
http://mhl.khl.ru/upload/MHL/upload2012/1_660.jpg
http://mhl.khl.ru/upload/MHL/upload2012/2_640.jpg

Looking good.

Source: http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137257

zorz
05-01-2012, 09:42 AM
just out of curiosity, why does MHL name their select team "red stars"? I think they could come up with a better name, this sounds like it was a reference to something from the past.

cska78
05-01-2012, 10:17 AM
just out of curiosity, why does MHL name their select team "red stars"? I think they could come up with a better name, this sounds like it was a reference to something from the past.

my guess it is, for NA trips association with Red Army.

vorky
05-01-2012, 10:30 AM
I think it is good marketing thing to call it Red Army. Red Army is brand in NA, everyone knows what coutry it comes from. So, it is easier for promotion. Red Army is created escepacially to play exibition games in NA.

zorz
05-01-2012, 10:36 AM
well I'm not entirely sure if I like that the league where is going to be czech club wants to be associated with communism in 2012, but that's almost off topic, so that's all I'm going to say.

cska78
05-01-2012, 12:01 PM
well I'm not entirely sure if I like that the league where is going to be czech club wants to be associated with communism in 2012, but that's almost off topic, so that's all I'm going to say.

has nothing to do with communism, rather a recognizable name for an average Joe.

Latgale_fan
05-10-2012, 10:51 AM
I think it is good marketing thing to call it Red Army. Red Army is brand in NA, everyone knows what coutry it comes from. So, it is easier for promotion. Red Army is created escepacially to play exibition games in NA.
Well that's INTERESTING when you have Latvians on the roster from HK Riga whose ancestors fought for Waffen SS........

Btw Sprukts will play for CSKA next year, I believe his grandfather was in Latvian Legion too... ah the history and politics. Lithuanian basketball fans used to say "better a daughter prostitute than a son in CSKA'' but well, in reality, modern CSKA or ''Red Stars" have as much to do with communism and Soviet army as Belgrade "Crvena Zvezda" football club...

These are just brand names now. I personally don't bother much about this but I know some Latvians who do so I understand ''zorz'' position in that matter.

cska78
05-10-2012, 07:09 PM
Количество возрастов, имеющих право принимать участие в чемпионате МХЛ, снизили на год, получив схему "с 17 до 20 лет". Потому что, когда тебе стукнуло 21, нужно выступать в КХЛ, высшей или студенческой лиге. Кроме того, турнир поделят по принципу Запад - Восток. Потому что в этом возрасте ребята должны не жить в самолетах и гнаться за количеством матчей за сезон, а ездить друг к другу в гости на автобусе и иметь много времени для тренировок.

Ну а для тех, кто не пробьется в МХЛ, федерация запустит юниорские чемпионаты страны.


great news, no more 21-22 yo! bingo!

cska78
05-10-2012, 07:19 PM
does it mean, that the next year the oldes age will be 92?

ozo
05-11-2012, 03:46 AM
Количество возрастов, имеющих право принимать участие в чемпионате МХЛ, снизили на год, получив схему "с 17 до 20 лет". Потому что, когда тебе стукнуло 21, нужно выступать в КХЛ, высшей или студенческой лиге. Кроме того, турнир поделят по принципу Запад - Восток. Потому что в этом возрасте ребята должны не жить в самолетах и гнаться за количеством матчей за сезон, а ездить друг к другу в гости на автобусе и иметь много времени для тренировок.

Ну а для тех, кто не пробьется в МХЛ, федерация запустит юниорские чемпионаты страны.


great news, no more 21-22 yo! bingo!

Holy cow, there will be a huge turnover of players in most clubs, leaving many players in a limbo. As unfair it is to current overagers if this indeed goes through, it absolutely had to be done. By the way, where did you get this quote from?

That could explain why Toryanik joined HK Sarov, although he clearly still was MHL eligible for CSKA juniors if we go by the old rules.

cska78
05-11-2012, 06:39 AM
Holy cow, there will be a huge turnover of players in most clubs, leaving many players in a limbo. As unfair it is to current overagers if this indeed goes through, it absolutely had to be done. By the way, where did you get this quote from?

That could explain why Toryanik joined HK Sarov, although he clearly still was MHL eligible for CSKA juniors if we go by the old rules.

Torchenyuk*. I got this from Tretyak's interview to sport-express. Looks like international goalies won't be counted towards the 5 players limit and Russian goalies must play a certain %

Fulcrum
05-13-2012, 07:39 PM
Torchenyuk*. I got this from Tretyak's interview to sport-express. Looks like international goalies won't be counted towards the 5 players limit and Russian goalies must play a certain %

This new U20 is huge news. if true and if it goes through

It:
-Gives (MANY MANY) more opportunities to youngsters
-Improves the value of VHL (21 yr olds improving VHL clubs)
\/ \/ \/ \/ \/
-Better Farm system
-More selection for junior teams, improved depth

Now Russian hockey needs:
1.Standardized and organized Kids hockey (schools)
2.ECHL equal for those who don't make it into VHL
3.More student/college based hockey

vorky
05-14-2012, 09:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I3XM7Y0FSA

about age limit and reasons (since 10:00)

ozo
05-14-2012, 10:03 AM
There's an article on MHL site anout HK Belgorod, but does anyone know what will happen to their senior team? Will it be dismantled or will there be two teams with the same name?

vorky
05-14-2012, 07:19 PM
source (since 24:00) (http://www.hctorpedo.ru/index.php?newsid=1748&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Torpedo will have affiliate in MHL B. I dont know if is direct team of Torpedo or Sarov (VHL farm). Any idea what club it could be?

cska78
05-14-2012, 07:42 PM
source (since 24:00) (http://www.hctorpedo.ru/index.php?newsid=1748&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Torpedo will have affiliate in MHL B. I dont know if is direct team of Torpedo or Sarov (VHL farm). Any idea what club it could be?

my guess would be Sarov...I am sorry but even chaika is pathetic, what other team we are talking about...I had been watching Sarov's transaction, they had been signing some young guys...On the same note, will MHL-B age be also U20 or like before?

vorky
05-14-2012, 07:54 PM
my guess would be Sarov...I am sorry but even chaika is pathetic, what other team we are talking about...I had been watching Sarov's transaction, they had been signing some young guys...On the same note, will MHL-B age be also U20 or like before?

yep, it is Sarov (link above since 51:00). I dont know how it will be in MHL if U20 or U21 but some changes should be in VHL (look video around 40-50:00) to be younger. I am looking forward to reading new rules in summer

cska78
05-15-2012, 06:58 AM
yep, it is Sarov (link above since 51:00). I dont know how it will be in MHL if U20 or U21 but some changes should be in VHL (look video around 40-50:00) to be younger. I am looking forward to reading new rules in summer

yeah I read about the changes in the VHL....should be at least 2 u20, 2 u21, 5 u23 or somth like that...too complicated.

vorky
05-22-2012, 06:08 AM
Gazovik Tyumen renamed as Тюменский Легион. How to translate it? Tyumen what?

perklunt
05-22-2012, 06:35 AM
Gazovik Tyumen renamed as Тюменский Легион. How to translate it? Tyumen what?

Legion of Tyumen or Tyumen Legion.

cska78
05-22-2012, 06:42 AM
now Chehovskie Vityazi got to be renamed to Chehovskaya Bratva

vorky
05-22-2012, 06:47 AM
http://mhl.khl.ru/upload/000001111.jpg

cska78
05-22-2012, 08:40 AM
http://redarmy.cska-hockey.ru/news.php?id=2011

changes in CSKA - 8 out. Torchenyuk and Plotnikov big parts of the team since day one - wanna wish them best of luck in the rest of their careers, as well as the rest of the kids...again that VHL farm, so much needed, nowhere to be found...

IJKPrinciple
05-22-2012, 01:30 PM
http://mhl.khl.ru/upload/000001111.jpg

this is sparta tyumen!!!

vorky
05-29-2012, 01:32 PM
rules in next season MHL A

eligible players: 1991-1995 (unlimited amount of 96ers if pass medical tests) BUT VHL/KHL can have max of 3 guys born 1991, independent club can dress max of 4 such guys.

This season every club can have 5 guys born 1990 (equivalent to 91ers next season)

structure: Two conferences, regular season only with teams of your conference (2 home/away). Play off is a bit complicated - it is best of 8 clubs in conference, 1st and 2nd round is played inside conference, then cross-over

Play-out is also played. It consists of 9th-16th team of conference.

Promotion/Relegation: I dont understand it. My interpretation is that worst team of every conference is relegated AND winner of MHL B is promoted. But it is not equal.. can anyone help?

Статья 41.
Переход команд
Команды, занявшие последние места в своих конференциях во втором этапе Чемпионата, и победитель Первенства МХЛ – Всероссийского соревнования по хоккею среди молодежных команд осуществляют взаимный переход.
Команда-победительница Первенства МХЛ – Всероссийского соревнования по хоккею среди молодежных команд получает право в следующем хоккейном сезоне выступать в Чемпионате, а команды, занявшие последние места в своих конференциях в Чемпионате, в следующем хоккейном сезоне перестают выступать в Чемпионате и участвуют в Первенстве МХЛ – Всероссийском соревновании по хоккею среди молодежных команд.


MHL B

4 conferences (North-West, Center, Sibir, Ural). Model of CHL.

http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137743

cska78
05-29-2012, 02:10 PM
rules in next season MHL A

eligible players: 1991-1995 (unlimited amount of 96ers if pass medical tests) BUT VHL/KHL can have max of 3 guys born 1991, independent club can dress max of 4 such guys.

This season every club can have 5 guys born 1990 (equivalent to 91ers next season)

structure: Two conferences, regular season only with teams of your conference (2 home/away). Play off is a bit complicated - it is best of 8 clubs in conference, 1st and 2nd round is played inside conference, then cross-over

Play-out is also played. It consists of 9th-16th team of conference.



Promotion/Relegation: I dont understand it. My interpretation is that worst team of every conference is relegated AND winner of MHL B is promoted. But it is not equal.. can anyone help?




MHL B

4 conferences (North-West, Center, Sibir, Ural). Model of CHL.

http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137743

well this is disappointing, they were saying 91s will not be able to play in the mhl...as far as relegation goes you sound like 1 team promotes and two relegate - that makes no sense.

zorz
05-29-2012, 02:16 PM
well this is disappointing, they were saying 91s will not be able to play in the mhl...as far as relegation goes you sound like 1 team promotes and two relegate - that makes no sense.
Play-out is also played. It consists of 9th-16th team of conference.

Really does it make no sense? It would make sense if the current number of teams rises by 1 with adding Karlovy Vary and all other teams stay in the league.

IJKPrinciple
06-01-2012, 11:32 AM
"Mytishchenskie Atlanty" changed their name to "Atlanty".
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137821

vorky
06-02-2012, 06:06 AM
Metalurgs Liepaja wants to play MHL
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137827

ozo
06-02-2012, 06:11 AM
Mettalurgs Liepaja wants to play MHL
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137827

There's a single "t" in a word Metalurgs. ;)

BalticWarrior
06-02-2012, 07:13 AM
If Metalurgs does join i think it will be another improvement for our youth hockey.

vorky
06-02-2012, 07:44 AM
thx, fixed

ozo
06-02-2012, 02:52 PM
Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk will probably join MHL B this summer. There are rumours that Pavlodar (also KZ) wants to do the same, but they would ice a team like Berdsk - full of leftovers from everywhere for quite some time, because their own school currently has no players of necessary age.

yunost
06-02-2012, 05:22 PM
Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk will probably join MHL B this summer. There are rumours that Pavlodar (also KZ) wants to do the same, but they would ice a team like Berdsk - full of leftovers from everywhere for quite some time, because their own school currently has no players of necessary age.

Ust-Kamenogorsk should be accepted to MHL A in my opinion.

ozo
06-02-2012, 05:27 PM
Ust-Kamenogorsk should be accepted to MHL A in my opinion.

For historic achievements it would looks logical, but lately they haven't exactly been a prolific programme, so probably it does not make sense. It's been, what ten years, since last NHL draftee? If they will be good enough (which they won't because then plan on icing younger kids) they will win promotion easily. Hell, even Metalurgs Liepaja will whoop their ***** if they will manage to hold on to their best prospects.

On a random note - LM might have more Lithuanians on their roster than Baltica Vilnius had last year :D

yunost
06-02-2012, 08:37 PM
For historic achievements it would looks logical, but lately they haven't exactly been a prolific programme, so probably it does not make sense. It's been, what ten years, since last NHL draftee? If they will be good enough (which they won't because then plan on icing younger kids) they will win promotion easily. Hell, even Metalurgs Liepaja will whoop their ***** if they will manage to hold on to their best prospects.

On a random note - LM might have more Lithuanians on their roster than Baltica Vilnius had last year :D

I wasnt thinking for a second and overlooked the promotion option, in that case I just hope they get promoted soon.

They may not have a prolific program right now, but they have a good long-time hockey organization. Besides, im not sure half the MHL clubs have had a player drafted by the NHL in the last 10 years so I dont know how much that says.

IJKPrinciple
06-06-2012, 10:01 PM
Rumor is Tatranski Vlci will stay and the league will have 33 teams. :amazed:

vorky
06-07-2012, 07:25 AM
Rumor is Tatranski Vlci will stay and the league will have 33 teams. :amazed:

I would not say it is rumour but fact. I have such info, and league confirmed (http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137889)it

You know, Energia Karlove Vary (Czech rep) is a new MHL A team AND Tatranski Vlci (Slovakia) will stay in league as well. So, amount of club has increased in MHL A since last season. It was 32 clubs last season, now it is 33. Tatranski Vlci can be renamed.

cska78
06-07-2012, 07:28 AM
I would not say it is rumour but fact. I have such info, and league confirmed (http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137889)it

You know, Energia Karlove Vary (Czech rep) is a new MHL A team AND Tatranski Vlci (Slovakia) will stay in league as well. So, amount of club has increased in MHL A since last season. It was 32 clubs last season, now it is 33. Tatranski Vlci can be renamed.

will they be associated with some club?

vorky
06-07-2012, 07:36 AM
will they be associated with some club?

I have no idea now. I would say that not. Similar case as Karlove Vary. IMO it wont be the same model as last season when Vlci was direct affiliated to HC LEV Poprad. Lets wait until july to know more. HC LEV Prague admitted that maybe they will negotiate with Energie about cooperation during summer, but now they are NOT doing it. I can see similar scenario with Vlci and Slovan, possible cooperation in future but today they are no negotiations as I know

zorz
06-07-2012, 07:45 AM
I have no idea now. I would say that not. Similar case as Karlove Vary. IMO it wont be the same model as last season when Vlci was direct affiliated to HC LEV Poprad. Lets wait until july to know more. HC LEV Prague admitted that maybe they will negotiate with Energie about cooperation during summer, but now they are NOT doing it. I can see similar scenario with Vlci and Slovan, possible cooperation in future but today they are no negotiations as I know

KV's MHL team will be logically affilated to their extraliga team, so it's not the same case as tratranski vlci.

vorky
06-07-2012, 07:52 AM
KV's MHL team will be logically affilated to their extraliga team, so it's not the same case as tratranski vlci.

you are right with KV´s MHL team. By affiliation I mean affiliation to KHL club. KV and Vlci wont be direct affiliation of KHL club like Vlci was last season to HC LEV Poprad IMO. They will be independent MHL clubs which can cooperate with KHL club.

cska78
06-07-2012, 08:43 AM
so then I have a question - supposedly a KV or TV relegate to MHL-B, what happens then? Does the team continue to participate in the MHL? Because if they just quit upon relegation - that's not good for the league.

zorz
06-07-2012, 09:01 AM
so then I have a question - supposedly a KV or TV relegate to MHL-B, what happens then? Does the team continue to participate in the MHL? Because if they just quit upon relegation - that's not good for the league.

Wait a minute, I'll just look into my crystal ball and tell you then :sarcasm:

cska78
06-07-2012, 09:24 AM
Wait a minute, I'll just look into my crystal ball and tell you then :sarcasm:

the reason why I am asking that - KV have joined the league in violation of it's rules, which leads me to believe - MHL wants international teams at all cost and international teams don't want to play in the MHL-B. I am not pulling this out of my dupa, u know.

vorky
06-07-2012, 09:36 AM
so then I have a question - supposedly a KV or TV relegate to MHL-B, what happens then? Does the team continue to participate in the MHL? Because if they just quit upon relegation - that's not good for the league.

as I know KV is one year project and then club will decide if to continue in MHL or not.

Hoping for NO guaranteed spot in MHL A for slovak/czech clubs. It is not good for sport but I understand why league or slovak/czech clubs would want to have guaranteed spot.

vorky
06-11-2012, 07:16 AM
Seems FHR will launch league U18 and Fetisov said that "student league" will be create.

FHR discussed changes in kids and junior hockey as well. Unfortunatelly, no details.
http://fhr.ru/content/news/10739.html

cska78
06-11-2012, 09:03 AM
Seems FHR will launch league U18 and Fetisov said that "student league" will be create.

FHR discussed changes in kids and junior hockey as well. Unfortunatelly, no details.
http://fhr.ru/content/news/10739.html

interesting...don't see the financial burden, unless they simply rename the local U18 tournaments all over Russia and that's it)

ozo
06-14-2012, 07:21 AM
Karaganda most likely will disband MHL B team.

cska78
06-14-2012, 07:39 AM
Karaganda most likely will disband MHL B team.

why? since they came to the VHL they need a team in the Kazakh league? If that's the case MHL-B games are so rare and few in between, that they can use the same team in both tournaments.

cska78
06-14-2012, 08:00 AM
apparently Efimov is going to pay a visit to Estonia, which may result in a MHL-team.

ozo
06-14-2012, 08:11 AM
why? since they came to the VHL they need a team in the Kazakh league? If that's the case MHL-B games are so rare and few in between, that they can use the same team in both tournaments.

But there's 56 games in Kazakh league, Karaganda doesn't have the player resources like Astana in order to participate in both leagues. It also is easier to stomach frequent losses in men's league that in Russian second string junior competition. :laugh:

cska78
06-14-2012, 08:18 AM
But there's 56 games in Kazakh league, Karaganda doesn't have the player resources like Astana in order to participate in both leagues. It also is easier to stomach frequent losses in men's league that in Russian second string junior competition. :laugh:

http://yvision.kz/post/269602, you are right...Now, if I were Efimov, any new team would have to sign - 5 year (or so) contract, and if a team was to withdraw, they would be obligated to pay some sort of fine, I say worth an average league budget times the amount of years violated by the contract. (per say Kazahmys played 1 year, let's say an average budget in the MHL is 20 million rubles, so that times 4 - would be an 80 million fine that could be used as a stab-fond for the league) What do people think?
My personal opinion is - these 1 year teams are making a joke out of the league.

ozo
06-14-2012, 08:26 AM
http://yvision.kz/post/269602, you are right...Now, if I were Efimov, any new team would have to sign - 5 year (or so) contract, and if a team was to withdraw, they would be obligated to pay some sort of fine, I say worth an average league budget times the amount of years violated by the contract. (per say Kazahmys played 1 year, let's say an average budget in the MHL is 20 million rubles, so that times 4 - would be an 80 million fine that could be used as a stab-fond for the league) What do people think?
My personal opinion is - these 1 year teams are making a joke out of the league.

I agree, I wouldn't want to see this becoming a trend.

cska78
06-15-2012, 10:16 AM
Steel Lions are now Mechel (MHL-B)

cska78
06-15-2012, 12:42 PM
another team went belly up in the MHL-b - Stal'nie Izhi...Izhstal' has no money to support an MHL team.

cska78
06-18-2012, 08:49 AM
Omskie Yastrebi are coming to Haverhill for Boston Hockey Nights tournament in early august. I plan on seeing 1-2 games. Interested in Rasskazov.

vorky
06-22-2012, 01:27 AM
G Serebryakov is staying in MHL, in MVD. Clever guy!
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137953

ozo
06-22-2012, 03:39 AM
G Serebryakov is staying in MHL, in MVD. Clever guy!
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=137953

That's a nice propaganda article :laugh:

cska78
06-22-2012, 06:58 AM
That's a nice propaganda article :laugh:

:yo::yo::yo:

cska78
06-22-2012, 07:04 AM
oh, there's gonna be a team from Moldavia in the MHL-b, ouch.

cska78
06-25-2012, 01:36 PM
17 y.o. Finagin signs with Amurskie Tigry (previously of Mytishi and Orenburgh)

zorz
06-25-2012, 02:19 PM
oh, there's gonna be a team from Moldavia in the MHL-b, ouch.

good for them. I didnt know there was any hockey there.

cska78
06-25-2012, 03:57 PM
good for them. I didnt know there was any hockey there.

there was, during soviet times they had a team in the 2nd league. But the bad thing is - the team is just for the money of one enthusiast, so it could be a season, could be half, could be two, unless there's warranty of continuity of the project why take them on?

zorz
06-25-2012, 05:49 PM
there was, during soviet times they had a team in the 2nd league. But the bad thing is - the team is just for the money of one enthusiast, so it could be a season, could be half, could be two, unless there's warranty of continuity of the project why take them on?

there are no real warranties for anything in this world. so who cares if they have a piece of paper promising something or not.

cska78
06-25-2012, 06:04 PM
there are no real warranties for anything in this world. so who cares if they have a piece of paper promising something or not.

I am not talking piece of paper, I am talking contractual guarantees and penalties for failure to follow up on the promises.

QRemparts
06-25-2012, 09:36 PM
Will Ivan Nikolishin(CSKA), Maxim Lazarev(AK Bars) and Sergei Korobov(SKA) will play in the MHL next year?

cska78
06-26-2012, 07:02 AM
Will Ivan Nikolishin(CSKA), Maxim Lazarev(AK Bars) and Sergei Korobov(SKA) will play in the MHL next year?

pretty sure Nikolishin will

perklunt
06-27-2012, 07:04 AM
ill just leave it here
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cska78
06-27-2012, 07:09 AM
very cool

The Special K
06-27-2012, 07:35 AM
I read that Nikita Kvartalnov signed with sibir. Is he going to be with the minor team or will he get a shot in the KHL?

Spasiba!

cska78
06-27-2012, 09:53 AM
I read that Nikita Kvartalnov signed with sibir. Is he going to be with the minor team or will he get a shot in the KHL?

Spasiba!

he played for Severstal' (Almaz) in the MHL, I assume if that's true he plays for the Snipers in the MHL

cska78
06-27-2012, 09:54 AM
CHL import draft is feasting on the MHL...

vorky
06-28-2012, 07:29 AM
CHL import draft is feasting on the MHL...

many guys wont go here, as Pivtsakin. I am suprised no Nichuskin...

cska78
06-28-2012, 09:04 AM
many guys wont go here, as Pivtsakin. I am suprised no Nichuskin...

many guys won't go to the CHL teams, that drafted them? is that what you mean?

vorky
06-28-2012, 09:43 AM
many guys won't go to the CHL teams, that drafted them? is that what you mean?

Prokhorkin has contract with CSKA, Serebryakov stays in Dynamo and I can go on

cska78
06-28-2012, 12:29 PM
Prokhorkin has contract with CSKA, Serebryakov stays in Dynamo and I can go on

you don't seem to understand English sometimes, I am not arguing your statements, just trying to figure out what you mean, lol

vorky
06-28-2012, 12:56 PM
you don't seem to understand English sometimes, I am not arguing your statements, just trying to figure out what you mean, lol

ok, see you. As I know Vasilevskiy stays in Ufa as well

Helpoing
06-29-2012, 04:58 AM
many guys won't go to the CHL teams, that drafted them? is that what you mean?
I have actually read vorky's "here" as "there", because I expected him to say that (a special salute goes to a famous Austrian doctor).

20 Russian players selected overall, 20 Czechs, 7 Slovaks, 5 Latvians, 2 Ukrainians; it will be interesting to see who departs.

BalticWarrior
06-29-2012, 05:31 AM
Maybe this is bit of topic,but can anybody tell me where Rihards Bukarts will play next season? in HK riga or somewhere else?

vorky
06-29-2012, 09:04 AM
Avangard Omsk will have team in MHL B (http://mhl2.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=62414). It is second club, as I know, which will have team in MHL A and MHL B. First one in Ak Bars Kazan

Helo
Rihards should stay in Kapitan as I know, club starts camp 10.7

ozo
06-29-2012, 11:33 AM
Avangard Omsk will have team in MHL B (http://mhl2.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=62414). It is second club, as I know, which will have team in MHL A and MHL B. First one in Ak Bars Kazan



DR's two junior teams disagrees. ;)

cska78
06-29-2012, 12:55 PM
Avangard Omsk will have team in MHL B (http://mhl2.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=62414). It is second club, as I know, which will have team in MHL A and MHL B. First one in Ak Bars Kazan

Helo
Rihards should stay in Kapitan as I know, club starts camp 10.7

they are so original - HC Omskie Yastreby, HC Yastreby))

ozo
06-29-2012, 12:59 PM
they are so original - HC Omskie Yastreby, HC Yastreby))

Few good combinations are still left - Yastrebskie Omski HC? Omsk CH Yastreb.

vorky
06-29-2012, 01:04 PM
yep, I forgot Dinamo Riga, my bad

vorky
07-03-2012, 05:44 AM
St Pete Lions (Silver Lions) new logo
http://cs301402.userapi.com/v301402889/2e99/5ktt_p0g1Io.jpg

cska78
07-03-2012, 07:08 AM
mass exodus from Khimik continues, MHL-b may be looming.

Latgale_fan
07-13-2012, 06:59 PM
CHL import draft is feasting on the MHL...
you've got it relatively mild actually... 20 guys drafted from almost 30 MHL teams I believe.

At the same time there are 4 Latvians all from HK Riga, all of them will be leaving... Lipsbergs (94), Jevpalovs (94), Kulda (94), Rosinskis (94)... the guys that should have been the future of the club...

Considering that Kuzmenkov (93) goes to Liepaja playing for Belarus league club and his original youth club, guys like Andersons (Switzerland, 93), Dashutin (MVD, 93), Klavins (J20 Elitserien, 93) are already long time abroad, as well as drafted and already with entry level NHL deals Pelss (92) and Girgensons (94), and Blueger (94)... and Kolesnikov (QMJHL, 92) who left last year, Kenins (NLA, 91)....

So there you can see with what kind of ''future'' Dinamo Riga is left... ok, some of these guys might return either to MHL club or to Dinamo Riga later but while with you guys, in Russia, someone always leaves but many stay, in Latvia for Dinamo ALL TALENTED YOUTH ALWAYS LEAVE.... and all that's left is 2nd rate guys even for Latvia's standard. So then you try to compete in MHL...



At the moment it is hard to imagine what will HK Riga be like this year. The 94 line is destroyed, only Jeliseev left, ok we have Rihards Bukarts now, couple of 2nd rate 94s from HK Juniors (HK Riga farm) and some of 93s who were never that good year and the best (as I mentioned, Dashutin, Andersons, Klavins) are already abroad.... Upītis and Bičevskis as 91 who will pobably be playing in Dinamo Riga more anyways, Podzins (92) who lacks motivation at any level lower than KHL... and a bunch of talented, yeah, but still young 95s... On the one hand we can dance in joy that it will really look like U20 team where prospects will be able to play, on the other hand...what kind of prospects and for what future, except Bukarts and other 2 guys bon 95 + 2 overagers there are prospects for Belarus league. I don't expect much joy watching them play this year... and who can say that Rihards Bukarts or Golovkovs, other 95 talents won't leave the team next year after a successful season...

ozo
07-14-2012, 02:28 AM
you've got it relatively mild actually... 20 guys drafted from almost 30 MHL teams I believe.

At the same time there are 4 Latvians all from HK Riga, all of them will be leaving... Lipsbergs (94), Jevpalovs (94), Kulda (94), Rosinskis (94)... the guys that should have been the future of the club...

Considering that Kuzmenkov (93) goes to Liepaja playing for Belarus league club and his original youth club, guys like Andersons (Switzerland, 93), Dashutin (MVD, 93), Klavins (J20 Elitserien, 93) are already long time abroad, as well as drafted and already with entry level NHL deals Pelss (92) and Girgensons (94), and Blueger (94)... and Kolesnikov (QMJHL, 92) who left last year, Kenins (NLA, 91)....

So there you can see with what kind of ''future'' Dinamo Riga is left... ok, some of these guys might return either to MHL club or to Dinamo Riga later but while with you guys, in Russia, someone always leaves but many stay, in Latvia for Dinamo ALL TALENTED YOUTH ALWAYS LEAVE.... and all that's left is 2nd rate guys even for Latvia's standard. So then you try to compete in MHL...



At the moment it is hard to imagine what will HK Riga be like this year. The 94 line is destroyed, only Jeliseev left, ok we have Rihards Bukarts now, couple of 2nd rate 94s from HK Juniors (HK Riga farm) and some of 93s who were never that good year and the best (as I mentioned, Dashutin, Andersons, Klavins) are already abroad.... Upītis and Bičevskis as 91 who will pobably be playing in Dinamo Riga more anyways, Podzins (92) who lacks motivation at any level lower than KHL... and a bunch of talented, yeah, but still young 95s... On the one hand we can dance in joy that it will really look like U20 team where prospects will be able to play, on the other hand...what kind of prospects and for what future, except Bukarts and other 2 guys bon 95 + 2 overagers there are prospects for Belarus league. I don't expect much joy watching them play this year... and who can say that Rihards Bukarts or Golovkovs, other 95 talents won't leave the team next year after a successful season...
I hear you, but it's never been about success of MHL team right? There are only so many competative options for our kids at home so this exodus will simply offer chance to break through to new set of players. Who would of thought that our kids line will be able to excel like that? They got noticed and now they have a great option to prove themselves at a new level (or different settings if someone doesn't think CHL is still better league). Hopefully if all the names you named doesn't succeed in their respective foreign teams, they'll still have a chance to fall back at Dinamo either way.

Latgale_fan
07-15-2012, 05:53 AM
I hear you, but it's never been about success of MHL team right? There are only so many competative options for our kids at home so this exodus will simply offer chance to break through to new set of players. Who would of thought that our kids line will be able to excel like that? They got noticed and now they have a great option to prove themselves at a new level (or different settings if someone doesn't think CHL is still better league). Hopefully if all the names you named doesn't succeed in their respective foreign teams, they'll still have a chance to fall back at Dinamo either way.

Of course but I am still waiting for that young talent who would be willing and able to prove that you can grow NHL superstar in Latvia... As people are using this ''In Latvia there are no coaches and no chance to develop into a great player'' slogan for 10 years already, as a basis of that claim mentioning the fact that Karsums, Daugavins, Bartulis, Kulda, Darzins developed in CHL... when NO PLAYER OF QUALITY actually was left in Latvia to develop in these years, so we can't compare how would they do vs those who went to CHL.

Indrasis brief moments of brilliance at this year's WC (who has all his career been based in Latvia), despite him being only a subpar talent only made me lean more towards the ''CHL ruins talents'' camp here...

I don't believe and never have believed the fact that in Latvia there are no good coaches. If there were none, we would not have Balderis before, Irbe, Ozolins, Zholtock or Skrastins who played very well in NHL... Also if we talk about recent CHL "success stories'' and mention Daugavins, Karsums, Bārtulis.... sorry but are they success stories? When they left Latvia, they had a potential to reach more than the 4th line in NHL....

Sure it's great that scouts will see those guys next year and maybe draft somebody too, but... Do we need high drafts or quality players? Karsums was a 2nd round pick, Bartulis and Daugavins 3rd, I believe... I can name 2 Belorussians who never went CHL, were drafted lower but are more influential in NHL now than these guys will ever be...

Maybe Rihards Bukarts will develop into something special, Georgs Golovkovs, the sensation of last years U18.... while maturing in Latvia, playing for Dinamo until the age of 20 or more and then going to NHL.

I also can't understand the strange fascination with AHL in Latvia. If we would ask a Swede or a Russian, where would they like their Girgensons to develop if they are not in NHL already at the age of 18, the answer would probably be the local club in these countries.... In Latvia, even if Dinamo Riga somehow got back the rights to Girgs from CSKA and Zemgus would be wiling to play in Dinamo, I think the fans would get heart attack when hearing that their golden boy left superior foreign fairytale league AHL to play for drab and cold ''bears skating on ice'' Dinamo Riga in joke league KHL..... When Rihards Bukarts signed with Dinamo there was also this feeling that fans were already writing off the player. For what reason?? It's unexplainable... We want Dinamo to succeed and win the cup one day, we know that we don't have money to buy superstars, we know we don't want only foreigners to play there and would like to keep the number to the current 5-6 preferably but... we don't want our players to develop in Dinamo system. So what do we want actually?

BalticWarrior
07-15-2012, 08:09 AM
Of course but I am still waiting for that young talent who would be willing and able to prove that you can grow NHL superstar in Latvia... As people are using this ''In Latvia there are no coaches and no chance to develop into a great player'' slogan for 10 years already, as a basis of that claim mentioning the fact that Karsums, Daugavins, Bartulis, Kulda, Darzins developed in CHL... when NO PLAYER OF QUALITY actually was left in Latvia to develop in these years, so we can't compare how would they do vs those who went to CHL.

Indrasis brief moments of brilliance at this year's WC (who has all his career been based in Latvia), despite him being only a subpar talent only made me lean more towards the ''CHL ruins talents'' camp here...

I don't believe and never have believed the fact that in Latvia there are no good coaches. If there were none, we would not have Balderis before, Irbe, Ozolins, Zholtock or Skrastins who played very well in NHL... Also if we talk about recent CHL "success stories'' and mention Daugavins, Karsums, Bārtulis.... sorry but are they success stories? When they left Latvia, they had a potential to reach more than the 4th line in NHL....

Sure it's great that scouts will see those guys next year and maybe draft somebody too, but... Do we need high drafts or quality players? Karsums was a 2nd round pick, Bartulis and Daugavins 3rd, I believe... I can name 2 Belorussians who never went CHL, were drafted lower but are more influential in NHL now than these guys will ever be...

Maybe Rihards Bukarts will develop into something special, Georgs Golovkovs, the sensation of last years U18.... while maturing in Latvia, playing for Dinamo until the age of 20 or more and then going to NHL.

I also can't understand the strange fascination with AHL in Latvia. If we would ask a Swede or a Russian, where would they like their Girgensons to develop if they are not in NHL already at the age of 18, the answer would probably be the local club in these countries.... In Latvia, even if Dinamo Riga somehow got back the rights to Girgs from CSKA and Zemgus would be wiling to play in Dinamo, I think the fans would get heart attack when hearing that their golden boy left superior foreign fairytale league AHL to play for drab and cold ''bears skating on ice'' Dinamo Riga in joke league KHL..... When Rihards Bukarts signed with Dinamo there was also this feeling that fans were already writing off the player. For what reason?? It's unexplainable... We want Dinamo to succeed and win the cup one day, we know that we don't have money to buy superstars, we know we don't want only foreigners to play there and would like to keep the number to the current 5-6 preferably but... we don't want our players to develop in Dinamo system. So what do we want actually?

This,million times this,you are right on the spot with this observation,i was absolutley stunned when fans already wrote off bukarts when he didnt went the chl route,i mean look at grandlund,tarasenko,kuzentsov, did they go to chl? no,are they gonna be superb players in NHL? absolutley,but to be fair to the fans you shouldnt be basing your opinion by just reading immature teenagers at sportcentre.

cska78
07-18-2012, 09:16 AM
I know we have bookworms here...so are the MHL teams allowed to have 1991 born players? first they banned it, then they said that only teams that don't have a KHL affiliate are allowed to do that, what now?

vorky
07-18-2012, 09:29 AM
I know we have bookworms here...so are the MHL teams allowed to have 1991 born players? first they banned it, then they said that only teams that don't have a KHL affiliate are allowed to do that, what now?

nobody banned 1991 as I know, it was only idea for future.

В матчах Чемпионата принимают участие хоккеисты в возрасте от 17 лет (1995 года рождения) до 21 года (1991 года рождения) включительно. При этом количество хоккеистов 1991 года рождения в самостоятельных клубах – не более 4 человек. Количество хоккеистов 1991 года рождения в клубах, имеющих команду КХЛ/ВХЛ – не более 3 человек. С письменного разрешения МХЛ, после прохождения медицинского обследования в одном из лечебных учреждений, рекомендованных Медицинским центром КХЛ, допускается участие в матчах хоккеистов в возрасте 16 лет (1996 года рождения) без ограничения их количества.
http://mhl.khl.ru/upload/MHL/upload2012/reglament_2012_13.pdf

So, 1991-1995 (1996 after medical tests)
Maximum of 4 kids born 1991 if club is NOT affiliated to VHL/KHL club
Maximum of 3 kids born 1991 if club IS affiliated to VHL/KHL club

Helpoing
07-18-2012, 09:35 AM
Well, it is better than 5 player limit in the previous years, but it is still too high. 1-2 guys for independent teams and no '91s for teams with affiliates sounds right.

cska78
07-18-2012, 09:40 AM
Well, it is better than 5 player limit in the previous years, but it is still too high. 1-2 guys for independent teams and no '91s for teams with affiliates sounds right.

this I want

vorky
07-18-2012, 09:58 AM
Well, it is better than 5 player limit in the previous years, but it is still too high. 1-2 guys for independent teams and no '91s for teams with affiliates sounds right.

I agree with this idea

BalticWarrior
07-18-2012, 12:28 PM
******* its going to be exciting watching Rihards Bukarts this season in HK Riga,cant wait :D

ozo
07-24-2012, 07:59 AM
Has there been any rumours about Balrica Vilnius of MHL B. Haven't heard a thing about them, will they still be participating? Saw one of their players signing a deal in Slovakia, not sure he was still MHL eligible, but this silence doesn't look encouraging.

cska78
07-24-2012, 08:06 AM
Has there been any rumours about Balrica Vilnius of MHL B. Haven't heard a thing about them, will they still be participating? Saw one of their players signing a deal in Slovakia, not sure he was still MHL eligible, but this silence doesn't look encouraging.

nope. Stal'nie L'vy (used to be a Mechel's mlb-b) are now becoming an MHL-B team for Izhstal' and stal'nie izhi are done.

ozo
07-24-2012, 08:19 AM
nope. Stal'nie L'vy (used to be a Mechel's mlb-b) are now becoming an MHL-B team for Izhstal' and stal'nie izhi are done.
So where this Izhstal's MHL side will be based, in Chelyabinsk or Izhevsk?

cska78
07-24-2012, 08:33 AM
So where this Izhstal's MHL side will be based, in Chelyabinsk or Izhevsk?

idk...just read this info on mhl web-site.

vorky
07-24-2012, 08:34 AM
Has there been any rumours about Balrica Vilnius of MHL B. Haven't heard a thing about them, will they still be participating? Saw one of their players signing a deal in Slovakia, not sure he was still MHL eligible, but this silence doesn't look encouraging.

As I know all Slovaks left Baltica.

croAVSfan*
07-24-2012, 01:40 PM
Patriot Budapest new team in MHL

http://jegkorong.blog.hu/2012/07/24/a_patriot_budapest_az_mhl-ben_indul

vorky
07-24-2012, 02:20 PM
Patriot Budapest new team in MHL

http://jegkorong.blog.hu/2012/07/24/a_patriot_budapest_az_mhl-ben_indul
really?

croAVSfan*
07-24-2012, 02:33 PM
really?

Dont speak hungarian, just copied link from another forum;)

cska78
07-24-2012, 06:26 PM
Patriot Budapest new team in MHL

http://jegkorong.blog.hu/2012/07/24/a_patriot_budapest_az_mhl-ben_indul

MHL-B I hope? they go to the same division with Moldova)

Teragor
07-26-2012, 06:50 AM
New logo of MHL club "Altaiskie Berkuti" (Altai Golden Eagles):

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/821/altaiberkuts.jpg

And logo of American football team Philadelphia Eagles:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1121/keyartphiladelphiaeagle.jpg

Find 10 Differences.

cska78
07-26-2012, 07:21 AM
LOL creativity is an interesting thing!

cska78
07-27-2012, 07:00 AM
http://www.allhockey.ru/news/127310/ - new teams in the MHL

Stal'nie Izhi are gone, Baltica is an uknown, so is Kirovo-chepetsk (heard they have troubles too)