Online Debate: Do the Canucks go with Luongo in the playoffs?

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Here Teppo goes. I just listened to it and I thought this time it was a close call buit I agree with the host that starting Schneider is worth a shot. You can't debate that Luongo has trouble when it counts.

By Teppo's standards that makes me a wrong as well. Give me your best shot #27. :shakehead

You gotta go with Lou to start, but if I was vignault I don't think twice about putting schneider in if Luongo has a bad game or the team goes down by 2-0 or something like that.

Ya I just laugh when Vancouver fans say they should go with Schneider

Most of us agree to start Luongo, but the leash won't be as long as it was in the last playoffs

A "shaky" Luongo was in the Conn Smythe conversation for most of the playoffs and went all the way to game 7. The Canucks lost for a lot of reasons, but the biggest reason was 8 goals in 7 games. Luongo had 2 shutouts in that series.

Yet people seriously suggest starting Schneider?

Luongo carried this team to game 7 of the cup finals last year.

And he'll try to do it again but this time we'll win it if we do.

They should start Schneider if they want a better chance to win every night.

Id starts Luu but if he lets in more than 5...hes done for the rest of the season

They should start Schneider if they want a better chance to win every night.

Amen!

Our GM, Mike Gillis is on record as stating that Lu is the guy, barring "injury."

Yes. Injury.

I see right through you, Gillis.

There was an article in the province today that had Schneider saying that the Canucks should start with Luongo in the first game in the playoffs.

Don't think Schneider will start game 1

Lou will start, but 2 bad goals in a row and he gets pulled is my guess. If Schneider comes in and is lights out then they go with him as long as he wins. I'd personally like to see Lou be on his game and get some redemption, but have no problem with Schneider going in and taking over if need be. We have two goalies that are more less elite and can win us games.

Btw, i was appalled that he got booed on his birthday last game. Wtf Nucks fans. Disappointing. How the **** does that help anything.

There are times when we look back on things and kind of chuckle. This is going to be one of those times. Although I find it a little humorous right now. The idea that the Canucks are better off without a guy whose been a top 5 goalie in the game for quite some time over the play of a back up is eye rolling. It isn't even a discussion for me. Sure, if Luongo falters you always have Schneider there pushing him and keeping him honest but you at least START with Luongo.

Stuff we laugh at now are things like Yzerman was once criticized and almost traded from the Red Wings in the mid 1990s before the team success. But it made more sense back then even if in hindsight we know it would have been a bad trade.

But the Luongo/Schneider debate is similar to a thread I saw on here a couple of years ago comparing Joe Pavelski to Joe Thornton and which "Joe" you'd want on your team. It was a heat of the moment thing because Pavelski had just had a very good playoff series. There were people trying to make a case for him too. It was foolish though. Thornton has always been the better player - and Luongo will always be the better goalie and one that you can win with

Luongo will always be the better goalie and one that you can win with

But they haven't one the big games with him. he tuns to mush when the pressure builds. he reminds me of Lebron James. Both are arguably the best at their position during the regular season but when it absolutely counts, it's quite a different story.

Now, we all know that after this year or in future years, both these players can have the last laugh. As far as Luongo goes, prove it to me. show me you can win the cup and play your best hockey when it absolutely matters!

I really hope they do. Schneider is the better goalie.

I really hope they do. Luongo sucks.

Yeah, just a terrible goalie. Wish Canucks had the Bulin wall instead.

Yeah, just a terrible goalie. Wish Canucks had the Bulin wall instead.

They do have Schneider in case Luongo self destructs again. I don't think that they'll give Luongo much slack if his game is off. That makes Vancouver a very dangerous team this year.

You have to give the team credit. After last years let-down, they came back and are in position to win the Presidents Trophy. This team is seeking revenge and their opponents better watch out!

Of course they will. He'll play great hockey and the moment he has one rough game everyone will start paying attention to him and assume it's how he always plays. Totally ignoring the fact that 95% of the time he's lights out.

I have faith my goaltender. I also have faith in my young 1B who is the best insurance possible. Goaltending is the least of our problems.

Of course they will. He'll play great hockey and the moment he has one rough game everyone will start paying attention to him and assume it's how he always plays. Totally ignoring the fact that 95% of the time he's lights out.

I have faith my goaltender. I also have faith in my young 1B who is the best insurance possible. Goaltending is the least of our problems.

Really though? I'd say it's one of your biggest problems

Last year, I was nervous AV would have the balls to go with schneider after the b's smoked luongo is game 3. Putting him in could have turned the series. The bruins are notorious for getting frustrated when a goalie stones them, causing them to make more mistakes and couch up the puck. But nope, he was too prideful or something and kept luongo in

I truly do not believe the Canucks can win with luongo in net, last year was the one shot and he blew it

Hell, he almost blew the gold medal game and the team he had in front of him was ridiculous

Really though? I'd say it's one of your biggest problems

Last year, I was nervous AV would have the balls to go with schneider after the b's smoked luongo is game 3. Putting him in could have turned the series. The bruins are notorious for getting frustrated when a goalie stones them, causing them to make more mistakes and couch up the puck. But nope, he was too prideful or something and kept luongo in

I truly do not believe the Canucks can win with luongo in net, last year was the one shot and he blew it

Hell, he almost blew the gold medal game and the team he had in front of him was ridiculous

The Luongo the fine people of Boston got to see was not the Luongo we saw for parts of round one and rounds two and three. There's no doubt he melted down against the Bruins but after game 2 of that series even the CBC guys were calling him the possible playoff MVP.

But if he does fail this year we will see Schneider take over and that's not a big deal. He's proven he can play just as well and has won big games for us this year. There won't be any hesitation to ride him if Luongo melts down.

I didn't like the rebound on the tying goal in the goal medal game either. I've done my share of luongo bashing in the Canucks section but even through all that I'm willing to give him a second chance. For the most part he's been a really good goalie for us since he got here. With a few obvious struggles.

I think they do but if he starts to struggle they'll go with Cory Scheidner in net.

Yes. Roberto Luongo starts. For better or worse - though, I agree with the shorter leash prediction. For better or worse.

Start Luongo but if he looks shaky, go with Schneider.

Luongo has played well all season, after his patented crap start, to deserve his chance to right any wrongs of the past. Just keep his leash short

Start Luongo but if he looks shaky, go with Schneider.

Luongo has played well all season, after his patented crap start, to deserve his chance to right any wrongs of the past. Just keep his leash short

In one post I talked about the awful game Luongo had a couple of nights ago. I guess Schneider didn't fair so well last night either.

Didn't know Steve Simmons had a son. 3 shutouts for Luongo in the finals, no goal support in game 7. How can he say the Canucks should've won in 5 when the team only gave Lui 8 goals worth of support in 7 games?

Didn't know Steve Simmons had a son. 3 shutouts for Luongo in the finals, no goal support in game 7. How can he say the Canucks should've won in 5 when the team only gave Lui 8 goals worth of support in 7 games?

Gotta agree with this.

2 shutouts, .897 Sv %. Outside that one 8 goal game his sv % was like .920.

The real problem that series was the invisible offense. 8 goals in 7 games is not even remotely enough to pull in a win.

The leash will be short this year..

Really though? I'd say it's one of your biggest problems

Last year, I was nervous AV would have the balls to go with schneider after the b's smoked luongo is game 3. Putting him in could have turned the series. The bruins are notorious for getting frustrated when a goalie stones them, causing them to make more mistakes and couch up the puck. But nope, he was too prideful or something and kept luongo in

I truly do not believe the Canucks can win with luongo in net, last year was the one shot and he blew it

Hell, he almost blew the gold medal game and the team he had in front of him was ridiculous

What a bunch of nonsense.

Id start luongo. He's had a good season, a has been consistently good.

However, I'd also be starting Schneider. If you have two good goalies...why not play them?

Schneider shoukd definitely play more then he did last time around. Vancouver's goaltending is amazing, and it's the reason that the cup comes back to Canada.

Gotta agree with this.

2 shutouts, .897 Sv %. Outside that one 8 goal game his sv % was like .920.

The real problem that series was the invisible offense. 8 goals in 7 games is not even remotely enough to pull in a win.

and in that 8 goal game, the last 3 or 4 goals were in the last minutes of the game, where the game was already over,and nucks were more concerned with fighting and taking penalties than playing. if there wasnt this unfounded luongo hate,or the name on the jersey was different,people would be saying he did all he can,but there is only so much a goalie can do without any support. he would be regarded as a guy you want in net. its ridiculous. And the sad part is, if he ever wins the cup,these people will be right back on his nuts,like they've always supported him. didn't bob mckenzie have him as a pick for the conn smythe if the nucks won game 7?

luongo will start, probably falter and it's snieds to lose then

van, please play Luongo. please.

If by "go with" you mean starts game 1 until he screws things up and then is pulled for a more stable goaltender, then yeah, the Canucks will go with Luongo.

And then Schneider could drop the ball. Yes, please.

Gotta agree with this.

2 shutouts, .897 Sv %. Outside that one 8 goal game his sv % was like .920.

The real problem that series was the invisible offense. 8 goals in 7 games is not even remotely enough to pull in a win.

and 7 of those 8 canuck goals were scored in the third period. So Luongo had to hold down the fort for 40 minutes each game before the Canucks offense showed up.

Really though? I'd say it's one of your biggest problems

Last year, I was nervous AV would have the balls to go with schneider after the b's smoked luongo is game 3. Putting him in could have turned the series. The bruins are notorious for getting frustrated when a goalie stones them, causing them to make more mistakes and couch up the puck. But nope, he was too prideful or something and kept luongo in

I truly do not believe the Canucks can win with luongo in net, last year was the one shot and he blew it

Hell, he almost blew the gold medal game and the team he had in front of him was ridiculous
Well he got us to the game 7 so....

And actually, Rome already turned the series with his idiotic play.

Luongo starts with a pretty short leash. I'll be shocked if we dont see both goalies in the playoffs.

2 shutouts, .897 Sv %. Outside that one 8 goal game his sv % was like .920.

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"If you don't count his stats when he sucked, his stats look pretty good" :laugh:

I hope Luongo is the starter for the Canucks entire playoff run, because they have a better chance of winning if he isn't.

I listened to these two last week, which was kinda painful but this week they both had me wanting to vote their way until The Comish got all high and mighty on the other guy. I vote for Robbie to ride the pine. Can't wait for their next podcast!!!

Wow watching that podcast makes me wonder why that one kid who kept talking about canucks antics and diving of "this year" when they barely do it anymore.

It's pathetic, and this show would not last one second on a actual radio station.

I can see Luongo getting benched if Cory dazzles us. If that happens though Luo trade rumors are going to run rampant all summer.

Hell, he almost blew the gold medal game and the team he had in front of him was ridiculous

That's correct. We won the Gold Medal despite him, eh!

ofcourse

what kind of question is that

mind u in the 3rd round they should go with the backup:sarcasm:

My suggestion for the next debate would be a hypothetical one - If the Jets made the playoffs this year, and their goalies were Pokey and the Bandit (Eldon "Pokey" Reddick and Daniel "Captain Bert" Berthauime) who should be the starter and lead the Jets to the promised land?

My vote would be for Captain Bert!

Well he got us to the game 7 so....

And actually, Rome already turned the series with his idiotic play.

You could also argue the loss of Hamhuis turned the series. That's kinda how i feel. Not to use injuries as an excuse, but that was a huge huge loss.

Hasek-Osgood scenario. Cheers.


TOML

But they haven't one the big games with him. he tuns to mush when the pressure builds. he reminds me of Lebron James. Both are arguably the best at their position during the regular season but when it absolutely counts, it's quite a different story.

Now, we all know that after this year or in future years, both these players can have the last laugh. As far as Luongo goes, prove it to me. show me you can win the cup and play your best hockey when it absolutely matters!

game 7 versus chicago
game 5 versus san jose
the 2012 gold medal game
games 1, 2, and 5 of the stanley cup finals

he was the best player in each of those games. the canucks would have needed to be extremely lucky to win a game in the playoffs without him.

I would guess yes

will be interesting to see how it plays out though if loungo has one or 2 bad games

There are times when we look back on things and kind of chuckle. This is going to be one of those times. Although I find it a little humorous right now. The idea that the Canucks are better off without a guy whose been a top 5 goalie in the game for quite some time over the play of a back up is eye rolling. It isn't even a discussion for me. Sure, if Luongo falters you always have Schneider there pushing him and keeping him honest but you at least START with Luongo.

Stuff we laugh at now are things like Yzerman was once criticized and almost traded from the Red Wings in the mid 1990s before the team success. But it made more sense back then even if in hindsight we know it would have been a bad trade.

But the Luongo/Schneider debate is similar to a thread I saw on here a couple of years ago comparing Joe Pavelski to Joe Thornton and which "Joe" you'd want on your team. It was a heat of the moment thing because Pavelski had just had a very good playoff series. There were people trying to make a case for him too. It was foolish though. Thornton has always been the better player - and Luongo will always be the better goalie and one that you can win with

That last line might just be what we look back and chuckle on. Seriously....isthere a player in recent memory with more to lose/gain than Lu this year? If he shines he would be Conn Smythe potential.....if he fails and is demoted to back up, his stock crashes faster than my investments this past week! :laugh:

But they haven't one the big games with him. he tuns to mush when the pressure builds. he reminds me of Lebron James. Both are arguably the best at their position during the regular season but when it absolutely counts, it's quite a different story.

Now, we all know that after this year or in future years, both these players can have the last laugh. As far as Luongo goes, prove it to me. show me you can win the cup and play your best hockey when it absolutely matters!


He got 2 shutouts in the finals and won 3 games. That is the most pressure possible, and he succeeded in his role. I don't get how you can blame game 7 on him either, considering we didn't score any goals. Totally irrational and uninformed post.

He got 2 shutouts in the finals and won 3 games. That is the most pressure possible, and he succeeded in his role. I don't get how you can blame game 7 on him either, considering we didn't score any goals. Totally irrational and uninformed post.

I guess he didn't have 3 bad games in the Stanley Cup finals. A decent game in any one of them would have meant winning Lord Stanley's Cup.

In one post I talked about the awful game Luongo had a couple of nights ago. I guess Schneider didn't fair so well last night either.

Gragnani has been brutal in his own zone and Bieska gave up his man, leaving Cammalleri wide open. I would hardly fault Schneider in that loss. We played lazy.

In any case, you have to start Luongo here. If not that more or less announces his career with the Canucks is over. The leash may be short however he has certainly earned the right.

I guess he didn't have 3 bad games in the Stanley Cup finals. A decent game in any one of them would have meant winning Lord Stanley's Cup.

Would have helped had we not been absolute trash offensively. Not to mention our injuries read off like a war causality list. Henrik, Kesler, Edler, Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Samuelsson and Raymond were all injured. That is a hell of a lot to overcome.

You gotta go with Lou to start, but if I was vignault I don't think twice about putting schneider in if Luongo has a bad game or the team goes down by 2-0 or something like that.
This. Gotta give Luongo the vote of confidence to start, at very least...

Would have helped had we not been absolute trash offensively. Not to mention our injuries read off like a war causality list. Henrik, Kesler, Edler, Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Samuelsson and Raymond were all injured. That is a hell of a lot to overcome.

Those are good points.

I'll sport a nucks av if schneider is the man. Just can't cheer for Lou. Don't like him, don't think he's all that good. Please don't flood me with selective stats to try and convince me that he's good.

I'll sport a nucks av if schneider is the man. Just can't cheer for Lou. Don't like him, don't think he's all that good. Please don't flood me with selective stats to try and convince me that he's good.

I won't because I agree with you. If the Canucks ride this guy again and fall short, what will they say then? He played well in games 1, 3 and 5.

I will say he sucked in games 2, 4, 6 & 7

Either way they lose and yes, he would have been awesome in 3 games but putrid in 4.

The Canucks finally, just barely beat the Blackhawks last year as the #1 seed and they think that was awesome. But how many previous series did they lose and lose to lesser opponents?

Luongo palys one good game and one putrid game. One good game and then two bad games. That's not a great goalie as far as I'm concerned.

I certainly hope they do.

Use Luongo, and never look back Vancouver... never.

I won't because I agree with you. If the Canucks ride this guy again and fall short, what will they say then? He played well in games 1, 3 and 5.

I will say he sucked in games 2, 4, 6 & 7

Either way they lose and yes, he would have been awesome in 3 games but putrid in 4.

The Canucks finally, just barely beat the Blackhawks last year as the #1 seed and they think that was awesome. But how many previous series did they lose and lose to lesser opponents?

Luongo palys one good game and one putrid game. One good game and then two bad games. That's not a great goalie as far as I'm concerned.

Agree. He's just as good if not better than most elite goalies on most nights; however he is horrible a lot more often than most too.

I won't because I agree with you. If the Canucks ride this guy again and fall short, what will they say then? He played well in games 1, 3 and 5.

I will say he sucked in games 2, 4, 6 & 7

Either way they lose and yes, he would have been awesome in 3 games but putrid in 4.

The Canucks finally, just barely beat the Blackhawks last year as the #1 seed and they think that was awesome. But how many previous series did they lose and lose to lesser opponents?

Luongo palys one good game and one putrid game. One good game and then two bad games. That's not a great goalie as far as I'm concerned.


I agree with the majority of your post, except the bolded.

Prior to last season, the Canucks lost to the Blackhawks in 09-10 and 08-09, in both years the Hawks finished with more points than the Canucks did, 07-08 the Canucks missed the playoffs, and then in 06-07 the Canucks lost to the Ducks who also finished with more points.

So, prior to last season against the Bruins, the Luongo-led Canucks have never lost to a team with less points than them in the regular season....

I agree with the majority of your post, except the bolded.

Prior to last season, the Canucks lost to the Blackhawks in 09-10 and 08-09, in both years the Hawks finished with more points than the Canucks did, 07-08 the Canucks missed the playoffs, and then in 06-07 the Canucks lost to the Ducks who also finished with more points.

So, prior to last season against the Bruins, the Luongo-led Canucks have never lost to a team with less points than them in the regular season....

Good point in that but look at this.
As for lesser seeds:
A) 08-09 Against Chicago. Canucks 100 pts vs, Blackhawks 104 but Cancuks were 3rd seed to Hawks 4th seed due to Canucks winning division. Loungo blew a tire in the series and posted a putrid .767 save %.
References (1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NHL_season) & 2 (http://*******************/articles/1012213-roberto-luongos-playoff-woes-where-it-all-began))

B) 09-10 season. True the Hawks were the 2nd seed vs 3rd seed for Canucks but Luongo let in 5 goals in the deciding 6th game, 5 goals in game 3 and 6 games in game 4 (References 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_NHL_season) & 2 (http://*******************/articles/1012213-roberto-luongos-playoff-woes-where-it-all-began))

This is pretty damning if you ask me.

Good point in that but look at this.
As for lesser seeds:
A) 08-09 Against Chicago. Canucks 100 pts vs, Blackhawks 104 but Cancuks were 3rd seed to Hawks 4th seed due to Canucks winning division. Loungo blew a tire in the series and posted a putrid .767 save %.
References (1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NHL_season) & 2 (http://*******************/articles/1012213-roberto-luongos-playoff-woes-where-it-all-began))

B) 09-10 season. True the Hawks were the 2nd seed vs 3rd seed for Canucks but Luongo let in 5 goals in the deciding 6th game, 5 goals in game 3 and 6 games in game 4 (References 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_NHL_season) & 2 (http://*******************/articles/1012213-roberto-luongos-playoff-woes-where-it-all-began))

This is pretty damning if you ask me.

Well, you've convinced me. Why bother playing the games now?

Well, you've convinced me. Why bother playing the games now?

LOL. Of course that's not the point. They should play the games, just do it without Luongo!

Luongo was the canuck's Best Player in last year's SCF

Luongo was the canuck's Best Player in last year's SCF

Do you mean he was the Bruins best player?

They'd be silly to start anyone but Luongo, you play your best players as much as possible in the playoffs.

They'd be silly to start anyone but Luongo, you play your best players as much as possible in the playoffs.

i can see the point of starting Luongo, since he's their starter, event though he's ranked 15th isn Save % and 21st in GAA but the first sign of mental collapse, he should be yanked. Don't wait until 3, 4 or 5, terrible goals are scored against. Yank him after the first one!

Do you mean he was the Bruins best player?

He won them 3 Games, and I don't See how He can Be Blamed for any loss except for Game 6... But yeah, These 3 goals He got as support in the 4 losses surely were enough...

Blaming the goalie is always the easiest thing to do, but he wasnt the only factor. I don't Want to take the blame away from him entirely, but he's far from the single biggest reason... Instead, Look at the nucks offense (8 goals in 7 games, sedins had no Impact at all), Bad luck with injuries, and rome's Momentum changing hit on horton.
The bruins skaters flat out outplayed the nucks', it wasnt just a Case of Thomas and luongo.

I would never want Luongo starting in the play-offs for my team.

I would never want Luongo starting in the play-offs for my team.

With all the negative talk about Luongo by me and others, watch the guy have a great Stanley Cup Playoffs and win the cup.

I remember way back when the talk around the NHL was that the Red Wings couldn't win the cup because they had too many Europeans. The argument was that they played a pretty game but they were too soft and couldn't handle the tough physical game of the NHL. That argument was refuted when the Red Wings won multiple cups.

If Luongo plays well and wins the cup this year, all the arguments against his ability to win the big games, will be refuted. If he doesn't win, then obviously his stock will plummet.

i can see the point of starting Luongo, since he's their starter, event though he's ranked 15th isn Save % and 21st in GAA but the first sign of mental collapse, he should be yanked. Don't wait until 3, 4 or 5, terrible goals are scored against. Yank him after the first one!

They'll need to provide a longer leash than 1 bad goal gets you yanked. Thats a bad head game to get into. He was terrific last year, Thomas was simply better and i cant think of any goaltender that was going to outperform Thomas in that SCF.

He got them to Game 7 of the SCF last year. A couple of bounces away from a Cup. Why wouldn't they?

Assuming the stands remain as they are. Vancouver is posed to meet Chicago for the fourth year in a row. In all likelihood Luongo will get the start but if he has a meltdown like the ones mentioned here, Schneider will take over and based on his performance, determine if Luongo ever plays again. Say we beat Chicago in the first game but let in nine goals between games two and three. Schneider takes over and shutouts Chicago, then proceeds to win the series, letting in fewer than five over the remaining games. Unless Schneider collapsed, I frankly think Luongo's career in Vancouver would be done.

Now that is obviously just an example but I wager is the mindset of Gillis and AV. This is Luongo's to win or lose. Be mindful that example also assumes Luongo was at fault. We Canucks have a tendency to leave him out to dry.

Luo starts Cory takes over if need be, but Luo is the starter and has a good year no reason not to start him.

He was terrific last year, Thomas was simply better and i cant think of any goaltender that was going to outperform Thomas in that SCF.

I have to disagree. Luongo had terrible games in each series. He had 3 terrible games in the SCF and was pulled. A terrific goalie plays well through the entire playoffs, at least in the SCF.

I have to disagree. Luongo had terrible games in each series. He had 3 terrible games in the SCF and was pulled. A terrific goalie plays well through the entire playoffs, at least in the SCF.
If the Canucks were to bench every player who was subpar in those 3 bad losses they'd have had nobody on the ice. You have to have the same criteria for the entire roster, singleing only one player out shouldn't be the plan.

If the Canucks were to bench every player who was subpar in those 3 bad losses they'd have had nobody on the ice. You have to have the same criteria for the entire roster, singleing only one player out shouldn't be the plan.

That's might be true in theory but reality is quite different. Goalies are judged differently. they're like QBs. iif their team loses ans they have a bad game, they take the brunt of the criticism.

I think they have to start Luongo, though personally I think Schnider would give them a better chance.

That's might be true in theory but reality is quite different. Goalies are judged differently. they're like QBs. iif their team loses ans they have a bad game, they take the brunt of the criticism.

His team won 15 playoff games does he get the brunt of the praise?

His team won 15 playoff games does he get the brunt of the praise?

Lu's first three seasons with the Canucks he got way more praise than he deserved - there were daily "who is the best goalie in the game today" threads started by Canuck fans who needed affirmation that all the hype around Luongo has spread outside of the province of BC. He was the second coming.

Now, the tide has turned with a segment of the Canucks fans. Now, any bad goal he lets in he becomes is a bum. He gets the blame regardless of how the rest of the team plays (and I am saying this is a segment of the fan base - not the whole fan base).

No offense Canuck fans, but it is typical of the over hype, and the over criticism an outsider like me sees (especially when I lived in Vancouver) from a good size portion of the fan base. This portion is typically comprised of the bandwagon fans that think they know about hockey because they can name 3 players on the team. The ones who go to a game and alternate between yelling "Just Shoot" and "Hit 'em." There are a lot of them in Vancouver.

I seriously can't believe the amount of flack Luongo gets on these boards.

The guy has been a top 10 (arguably top 5) goalie for the past 6 years now, his team falls flat on their faces in the Stanley Cup finals, and he gets all the blame? How? How is that possible?

Would everyone blame Thomas if the Bruins lost last season, and they only scored like 10 goals in the finals?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, people only look at the bad Luongo has done. His 6 goal against games. His game 7 loss in the finals. If Luongo made 65 saves in a 1-0 loss in game 7, I guarantee everyone would blame Luongo for losing. Nobody ever gives Luongo credit for anything anymore. He could post 4 straight shutouts and would get no credit. He could get back to the finals, lose 1-0 or 2-1 in game 7 again, and would get no credit.

Does he have bad games? Of course he does, every single goalie in the NHL has bad games. Does he have more bad games than others? Sure, does that mean he deserves to get **** on at every opportunity? Hell no.

It's sickening as a fan to see our own fans turn on our all-star goalie. The guy who has carried this team for years now. The main reason this team has been competitive for the last 5 years or so.

The guy wins World Championships and Olympic gold medals, and people still say "he was shaky in the finals against the US". Funny thing, he still won.

Nobody needs a Stanley Cup more than Roberto Luongo to shut everyone up, and I can't wait until he finally gets one, so then nobody will have anything bad to say about him.

I seriously can't believe the amount of flack Luongo gets on these boards.

The guy has been a top 10 (arguably top 5) goalie for the past 6 years now, his team falls flat on their faces in the Stanley Cup finals, and he gets all the blame? How? How is that possible?

Would everyone blame Thomas if the Bruins lost last season, and they only scored like 10 goals in the finals?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, people only look at the bad Luongo has done. His 6 goal against games. His game 7 loss in the finals. If Luongo made 65 saves in a 1-0 loss in game 7, I guarantee everyone would blame Luongo for losing. Nobody ever gives Luongo credit for anything anymore. He could post 4 straight shutouts and would get no credit. He could get back to the finals, lose 1-0 or 2-1 in game 7 again, and would get no credit.

Does he have bad games? Of course he does, every single goalie in the NHL has bad games. Does he have more bad games than others? Sure, does that mean he deserves to get **** on at every opportunity? Hell no.

It's sickening as a fan to see our own fans turn on our all-star goalie. The guy who has carried this team for years now. The main reason this team has been competitive for the last 5 years or so.

The guy wins World Championships and Olympic gold medals, and people still say "he was shaky in the finals against the US". Funny thing, he still won.

Nobody needs a Stanley Cup more than Roberto Luongo to shut everyone up, and I can't wait until he finally gets one, so then nobody will have anything bad to say about him.

People give him flack because he's bipolar. When we don't expect him to perform well he goes into god mode. When we expect him to do well, he ultimately lets us down. I don't know how you can blindly support him when he has been letting the team down year after year in the playoffs. Did you watch ANY of the Chicago series? And this is coming from a Luongo fan, I have his signed jersey. I hope he does well this year and proves all the naysayers wrong, but all of his problems are between his ears. There's nothing we can do about that.

People give him flack because he's bipolar. When we don't expect him to perform well he goes into god mode. When we expect him to do well, he ultimately lets us down. I don't know how you can blindly support him when he has been letting the team down year after year in the playoffs. Did you watch ANY of the Chicago series? And this is coming from a Luongo fan, I have his signed jersey. I hope he does well this year and proves all the naysayers wrong, but all of his problems are between his ears. There's nothing we can do about that.

The Luongo backed Canucks have lost to a worse team in the playoffs exactly once in the 5 years since Luongo came over.

The Luongo backed Canucks have lost to a worse team in the playoffs exactly once in the 5 years since Luongo came over.

Could you imagine how much Luo would have it on here if the Hawks won that Game 7 in the first round last year?

He probably would have been tarred and feathered on some Vancouver street.

A "shaky" Luongo was in the Conn Smythe conversation for most of the playoffs and went all the way to game 7. The Canucks lost for a lot of reasons, but the biggest reason was 8 goals in 7 games. Luongo had 2 shutouts in that series.

Yet people seriously suggest starting Schneider?

conn smythe?

He almost pooped the 'nucks out in the first round...

Could you imagine how much Luo would have it on here if the Hawks won that Game 7 in the first round last year?

He probably would have been tarred and feathered on some Vancouver street.

But that didn't happen....

Had the Bruins lost game 7 against Montreal would Chara/Thomas' reps not have been chokers as well?

I think they have to start Luongo, though personally I think Schnider would give them a better chance.

See that's why the taking the argument that Luongo shouldn't start isn't a winner. Even people who think that Schneider would give them a better chance to win, think that Luongo should start.

Some posts here mocked anyone who thinks Schenider should start but that's not fair. Hockey is about winning and not being a babysitter or Psychologist. I know people don't want to hurt poor Luongo and think his feeling would be hurt.

Who cares! If Schneider gives the Canucks the best chabce to win, then management owes it to themselves to put that better product on the ice. You can always hire a therapist to work with Luongo!

Now that we know it is the Kings, is there any doubt who the starter should be?

I guess you go with Luongo, since this is a no lose series.

I won't because I agree with you. If the Canucks ride this guy again and fall short, what will they say then? He played well in games 1, 3 and 5.

I will say he sucked in games 2, 4, 6 & 7

Either way they lose and yes, he would have been awesome in 3 games but putrid in 4.

The Canucks finally, just barely beat the Blackhawks last year as the #1 seed and they think that was awesome. But how many previous series did they lose and lose to lesser opponents?

Luongo palys one good game and one putrid game. One good game and then two bad games. That's not a great goalie as far as I'm concerned.

What "lesser opponent" have they ever lost to? I guess by points in a season you can say the Bruins, but that's basically it, and even that is really a wash.

You do realize that in the previous playoffs, the Bruins lost a series they were up by 3 -0 when they lost Kreji to injury? Injuries play a huge part in playoff success, and I'll say that last year the Sharks lost to the Canucks so quickly entirely due to injury.

The Canucks benefited hugely in that WCF because of it ... and just as clearly suffered from it against Boston. Thinking that somehow Schnieder was going to play so much better in Boston is a pipe dream. Even if he did play better, given how ruined the CAnucks defense was, to say nothing of the primary offensive players, it's actually comical to believe that somehow the Canucks would have beat a very healthy Bruins team.

With both squads completely healthy, they were very even, and it was only Luongo's heroics that even got it to a game 7.

I do however agree that Luongo can and does get rattled and that AV has shown a willingness to go Schnieder a little earlier this season. I won't agree that Schneider would have made a difference against Boston last year. He may have cut down on the goals against, but there was no way he was pitching the required shutout to win that extra game.

I guess you go with Luongo, since this is a no lose series.

lol what a joker

Could you imagine how much Luo would have it on here if the Hawks won that Game 7 in the first round last year?

He probably would have been tarred and feathered on some Vancouver street.

Instead he came up with a huge performance and won that game.

conn smythe?

He almost pooped the 'nucks out in the first round...

He was our playoff MVP and had amazing stats by the end of game 2 of the SCF.

He was our playoff MVP and had amazing stats by the end of game 2 of the SCF.

You're not serious are you? The guy had 3 of the worst games in SCF history and was pulled. that's not an MVP. It's one thin to say he earned the right to start this year and he's played well in the regular season but MVP in last year's SCF?

You're not serious are you? The guy had 3 of the worst games in SCF history and was pulled. that's not an MVP. It's one thin to say he earned the right to start this year and he's played well in the regular season but MVP in last year's SCF?

I said he was our playoff MVP. Didn't realize the playoffs were 1 series for us...

Who would you say our MVP was then?

I said he was our playoff MVP. Didn't realize the playoffs were 1 series for us...

Who would you say our MVP was then?

It's really hard to fins one but I would say Ryan Kesler.

It's really hard to fins one but I would say Ryan Kesler.

Of course it's really hard to find one, because the team was so bad offensively it had to rely on its goaltender (Luongo) to get as far as they got.

Kesler didn't do anything offensively in round 1, and was meh in round 3. He was injured in round 4, and it showed.

Luongo clearly was our MVP in the playoffs.

You're not serious are you? The guy had 3 of the worst games in SCF history and was pulled. that's not an MVP. It's one thin to say he earned the right to start this year and he's played well in the regular season but MVP in last year's SCF?

He is serious. He had virtually identical stats to thomas going into game 3 and was conn smythe bound.

1 loss is 1 loss whether the score is 10-0 or 1-0. He got two shutouts in the finals, 1 ot game win. The nucks only needed one more win.. just one yet the best offence in the league didn't score. Was lu supposed to get 4 shutouts in the SCF? I'm certain that a 0-0 score in game 7 still doesn't win the cup for the nucks

Thomas had four HORRIBLE games against tampa.. they should have lost that series, difference is their offence outscored the problem at least once.

Yes but he will be on a super short leash.

He ended his season with a SO after being booed off the ice in his last start, kind of throws the whole 'mentally fragile' aside for now. He's now 2nd in SOs among all active goaltenders.

So I think he's made a solid case for his post-season starts.

Hasek-Osgood scenario. Cheers.


TOML

:laugh: pppfff ya right, what an insult to Hasek. Luongo couldnt even hold Haseks jock strap.

I think they shud start schneider cuz he plays morr like Quick but they'll proly start Luongo GO KINGS TAKE THE SERIES

The Luongo backed Canucks have lost to a worse team in the playoffs exactly once in the 5 years since Luongo came over.

I wouldn't even say Luongo lost to a worse team. The Bruins are the best 5 on 5 team in hockey. The Canucks main advantage was suppose to be their power play, it completely failed them. That falls on the forwards.

Like I stated earlier, the leash will be very short this year

AV will not be afraid to pull the trigger and start Schneider

Most of us agree to start Luongo, but the leash won't be as long as it was in the last playoffs

weve gotta pull luo when we are still in games like the one we were down 4-2 against anaheim a few games ago. we pulled him and came back.

Luongo will start and Schneider will finish.

luongo was ONE game away from having 3 shutouts in the Stanley cup finals

luongo gets the start

that said , his leash is short

Luongo will start and Schneider will finish.

This is exactly what I think will happen also.

Love the both of them and they will be used without doubt during the playoffs, but should Van go all the way, Schneids might be the one lifting the Conn Smythe.

If the Canucks were to start Schnieder it would place them in an impossible situation with Luongo. They'd pretty much have to trade him after that. They won't do it.

He ended his season with a SO after being booed off the ice in his last start, kind of throws the whole 'mentally fragile' aside for now. He's now 2nd in SOs among all active goaltenders.

So I think he's made a solid case for his post-season starts.

One horrid game, one good game. One horrid game, one good game. Then a horrid game to lose the cup. Yes, great MVP goalie! :)

One horrid game, one good game. One horrid game, one good game. Then a horrid game to lose the cup. Yes, great MVP goalie! :)

compared to the forwards...

One horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game.

compared to the forwards...

One horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game, one horrid game.

???

Profit!

Lu has been one of our best and most consistent players this season, hands down.

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Profit!

Lu has been one of our best and most consistent players this season, hands down.

I agree that he's a great regular season goalie. Just like Lebron James is King of the NBA regular season. Playoffs are a different story.

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Profit!

Lu has been one of our best and most consistent players this season, hands down.

He was saying that the Canuck's forwards during those games were bad. This is true today; I worry about our goal scoring more than anything this playoff run.

I agree that he's a great regular season goalie. Just like Lebron James is King of the NBA regular season. Playoffs are a different story.

Funny how you go about your business completely ignoring how I trashed your argument. You even admit that it was hard to come up with a playoff MVP before coming up with a player who was more inconsistent than Luongo.

Funny how you go about your business completely ignoring how I trashed your argument. You even admit that it was hard to come up with a playoff MVP before coming up with a player who was more inconsistent than Luongo.

I said there was no MVP from he Canucks but Luongo was the worst player on the ice. i'm not sure what your argument is about? who was the best of the worst?

Well, it's always smart to go with the hot hand.

I said there was no MVP from he Canucks but Luongo was the worst player on the ice. i'm not sure what your argument is about? who was the best of the worst?

If the Canucks were so horrible then how on earth did we win 15 playoff games? :laugh:

Luongo was the worst player on the ice? Really?? The offense put up 8 goals in 7 games which is absolutely atrocious! No team has won a 7 game series with that little offense, so you find it suitable to blame the goalie? :help:

At the end of game 2 of the SCF, Luongo was in talks for winning the Conn Smythe but continue...it's quite amusing.

At the end of game 2 of the SCF, Luongo was in talks for winning the Conn Smythe but continue...it's quite amusing.

Everyone quickly realized the real MVP was Hamhuis..

Everyone quickly realized the real MVP was Hamhuis..

Was he? Or was it the fact that the team defense absolutely collapsed due to the injuries to Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Ehrhoff, and the suspension to Rome?

Schneider is the better goalie.

Schneider should be the one they use in the later round series against tougher opponents.

That said, you go with Luongo against LA because the Canucks don't need Schneider to beat them.

That way, Luongo's feelings won't get hurt as much. It's wise to pump his tires as much as possible as long as it doesn't hurt the team.

Schneider is the better goalie.

Schneider should be the one they use in the later round series against tougher opponents.

That said, you go with Luongo against LA because the Canucks don't need Schneider to beat them.

That way, Luongo's feelings won't get hurt as much. It's wise to pump his tires as much as possible as long as it doesn't hurt the team.

Schneider hasn't done anything to suggest he's the better goalie. He's posted great numbers but has faced relatively lesser competition.

Schneider hasn't done anything to suggest he's the better goalie. He's posted great numbers but has faced relatively lesser competition.

The stats don't back up your claim. Schneider actually elevates his game when he plays better teams. The stats reveal that his save percentage and winning percentage goes up compared to when he plays lesser teams.

Schneider's stats against playoff teams this year.....
8 wins, 2 losses, 1 OTL
Save % 0.942

Luongo's stats against playoff teams this year.....

14 wins, 7 losses, 5 OTL
Save % 0.921

The Canucks should ride Luongo until he falters. They are lucky to have a legitimate #1 goalie waiting in the wings like Cory Schnieder.

OK. Luongo and the Canucks won the Presidents trophy. Luongo has the experience of being in the SCF. Everyone should agree that the Canucks are the odds on favorite to win it all. If Luongo doesn't win this year, can we agree he's a failure? If he's pulled from any game, can we agree he's a failure? If Schneider ends up carrying the load, can we agree Luongo's a failure?

I would have hoped that Canucks fans would expect more form the goalie. I would have hoped they could see what most other people see, when watching Luongo.

OK. Luongo and the Canucks won the Presidents trophy. Luongo has the experience of being in the SCF. Everyone should agree that the Canucks are the odds on favorite to win it all. If Luongo doesn't win this year, can we agree he's a failure? If he's pulled from any game, can we agree he's a failure? If Schneider ends up carrying the load, can we agree Luongo's a failure?

I would have hoped that Canucks fans would expect more form the goalie. I would have hoped they could see what most other people see, when watching Luongo.

Is Henrik Lundqvist a failure for blowing a 3-1 series lead against Washington a couple years ago?

Is Pekka Rinne a failure for failing against Luongo last year?

Is Ryan Miller a failure for not taking a President's Trophy team to the SCF?

Is Carey Price a failure for being ousted in the first round last year?

Is Cam Ward a failure for not making the playoffs?

Is Jon Quick a failure for never winning a playoff series yet?

Is Bryzgalov a failure for having playoff statistics that literally get worse and worse every year.

They absolutely start with him. I'm not a big fan of his, but Luongo gets too much blame for any shortcomings the entire team has.

Is Henrik Lundqvist a failure for blowing a 3-1 series lead against Washington a couple years ago?

Is Pekka Rinne a failure for failing against Luongo last year?

Is Ryan Miller a failure for not taking a President's Trophy team to the SCF?

Is Carey Price a failure for being ousted in the first round last year?

Is Cam Ward a failure for not making the playoffs?

Is Jon Quick a failure for never winning a playoff series yet?

Post of the year.
Would quote x1000 if I could.

Post of the year.
Would quote x1000 if I could.

But...but those goalies have never had a team as good as the Canucks....oh wait, I mean, the Canucks are the worst Pres' Trophy winners ever and are first round fodder....damnit hf, get your story straight.

Is Henrik Lundqvist a failure for blowing a 3-1 series lead against Washington a couple years ago?

Is Pekka Rinne a failure for failing against Luongo last year?

Is Ryan Miller a failure for not taking a President's Trophy team to the SCF?

Is Carey Price a failure for being ousted in the first round last year?

Is Cam Ward a failure for not making the playoffs?

Is Jon Quick a failure for never winning a playoff series yet?

Yes to all!

Yes to all!

And would Thomas not have been a failure if the Bruins offense didn't bail him out?

Funny how every "top" goalie is a failure lol.

Is Henrik Lundqvist a failure for blowing a 3-1 series lead against Washington a couple years ago?

Is Pekka Rinne a failure for failing against Luongo last year?

Is Ryan Miller a failure for not taking a President's Trophy team to the SCF?

Is Carey Price a failure for being ousted in the first round last year?

Is Cam Ward a failure for not making the playoffs?

Is Jon Quick a failure for never winning a playoff series yet?

For the most part, I'd have to say yeah.

And would Thomas not have been a failure if the Bruins offense didn't bail him out?

Funny how every "top" goalie is a failure lol.

Are you kidding me about Thomas. He was 100% better than Luongo. Compare GAA, SA%, Stanley Cup Championship.
How many times was Luongo replaced int he playoffs last year compared to Thomas? I must have been watching different games, maybe televised form Mars! I have to call my cable company and tell them my TV was invaded by aliens and that the wrong playoffs were televised to my house. I will ask them to send me tapes of the playoffs, so I can see how great an MVP playoffs Luongo had and how played better than Thomas and every Stanley Cup winning goaltender in history. Sorry Roberto, I apologized. You've palyed like an elite goalie in every single playoff season you've participated in.

For the most part, I'd have to say yeah.

lol so Niemi is better than all of them since he won a cup after all.

Are you kidding me about Thomas. He was 100% better than Luongo. Compare GAA, SA%, Stanley Cup Championship.
How many times was Luongo replaced int he playoffs last year compared to Thomas? I must have been watching different games, maybe televised form Mars! I have to call my cable company and tell them my TV was invaded by aliens and that the wrong playoffs were televised to my house. I will ask them to send me tapes of the playoffs, so I can see how great an MVP playoffs Luongo had and how played better than Thomas and every Stanley Cup winning goaltender in history. Sorry Roberto, I apologized. You've palyed like an elite goalie in every single playoff season you've participated in.

Funny how you have to resort to absolute drivel about Mars in order to avoid responding to my points. You haven't responded to anything I've posted, except to say that a bunch of the top NHL goalies are all failures (geeze, who's a success then?).

In 4 games in the ECF, Tim Thomas had a SVP below .900. He was shelled a couple times but the difference between him in the ECF and Luongo in the SCF is that his offense bailed him out in game 2 of the ECF. Thomas gave up 5 goals, yet still won the game. If the Bruins don't bail his ass out, he doesn't win a Cup or the Conn Smythe.

OK. Luongo and the Canucks won the Presidents trophy. Luongo has the experience of being in the SCF. Everyone should agree that the Canucks are the odds on favorite to win it all. If Luongo doesn't win this year, can we agree he's a failure? If he's pulled from any game, can we agree he's a failure? If Schneider ends up carrying the load, can we agree Luongo's a failure?

I would have hoped that Canucks fans would expect more form the goalie. I would have hoped they could see what most other people see, when watching Luongo.

Thank you for your post!

You don't know what it's like being a Canuck fan and having to deal with people like Y2k.

A lot of Canuck fans are so emotionally-invested in Luongo that they are blind to what objective people see when they watch him play..... an inconsistent mentally fragile goalie who can't be relied on when it matters most.

Funny how you have to resort to absolute drivel about Mars in order to avoid responding to my points. You haven't responded to anything I've posted, except to say that a bunch of the top NHL goalies are all failures (geeze, who's a success then?).

In 4 games in the ECF, Tim Thomas had a SVP below .900. He was shelled a couple times but the difference between him in the ECF and Luongo in the SCF is that his offense bailed him out in game 2 of the ECF. Thomas gave up 5 goals, yet still won the game. If the Bruins don't bail his ass out, he doesn't win a Cup or the Conn Smythe.

We can debate the statistics all we want. Tim Thomas outplayed Luongo. Luongo didn't play well enough to win the Cup. Now back to who should start...for more of last year's Tim Thomas vs Luongo, you can read the 36 page thread at http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=918339

The thread brought back some memories from last year. Have fun. I did!

I could definitely see a mass-suicide on HFBoards if Luongo wins the Conn Smythe this playoffs.

The hatred is unbelievable (and this coming from a guy who supports trading Luongo in favour of Schneider)

I could definitely see a mass-suicide on HFBoards if Luongo wins the Conn Smythe this playoffs.

The hatred is unbelievable (and this coming from a guy who supports trading Luongo in favour of Schneider)

I believe all us ant-Luongo people are going to eat crow. It happens all the time. Remember the Hasik can't win a cup. The Red Wings can't win a cup. The Yzerman isn't a winner. Luongo is that guy now. I can see him going out there and backstopping the Canucks to their first SC championship.

So I'll reverse this negative tide. Luongo is going to be amazing. He will win the Stanley Cup this year. He will be amazing!

Are you kidding me about Thomas. He was 100% better than Luongo. Compare GAA, SA%, Stanley Cup Championship.
How many times was Luongo replaced int he playoffs last year compared to Thomas? I must have been watching different games, maybe televised form Mars! I have to call my cable company and tell them my TV was invaded by aliens and that the wrong playoffs were televised to my house. I will ask them to send me tapes of the playoffs, so I can see how great an MVP playoffs Luongo had and how played better than Thomas and every Stanley Cup winning goaltender in history. Sorry Roberto, I apologized. You've palyed like an elite goalie in every single playoff season you've participated in.

Poor Y2K ... his post of the year only lasted 3 posts until this beauty came up.

The new post of the year above!!!

Mazel Tov WPGFAN.

Poor Y2K ... his post of the year only lasted 3 posts until this beauty came up.

The new post of the year above!!!

Mazel Tov WPGFAN.

I think WPGFAN and Y2K should debate this online via Skype and then post on sportmentary.com - :handclap::handclap::handclap:

This wll force WPGFAN to have to answer Y2K questions/points rather than (as Y2K claims) ignoring them.

Is Henrik Lundqvist a failure for blowing a 3-1 series lead against Washington a couple years ago?
Washington was the odds-on favourite to win that series anyway.

Is Pekka Rinne a failure for failing against Luongo last year?
Vancouver had a much better team.

Is Ryan Miller a failure for not taking a President's Trophy team to the SCF?
Made it to the ECF and had a pretty good playoffs.

Is Carey Price a failure for being ousted in the first round last year?
Boston had a much better team. Price was great in that round.

Is Cam Ward a failure for not making the playoffs?
Carolina is not a good hockey team.

Is Jon Quick a failure for never winning a playoff series yet?
The Kings have yet to have a "gimme" playoff round.

These are awful examples. Like it or not, Luongo and the Canucks' playoff woes are pretty unique.

The big question mark is how Luongo responds in the playoffs following last year's final where he made a complete fool out of himself calling out Thomas' play and subsequently getting sparked and pulled multiple times in the series.

For the life of me, I can't understand why he chose to call out Thomas and bring all that bad karma on himself.

Meh... Luongo is our team MVP, as far as I'm concerned that is clear cut and dry. The difference is he will have a short leash, and Schneider may infact get some starts. If Luongo lets in two goals in a row in a short span, Schneider will be coming in immidiately. Last year in that scenario, AV seemed to just let it slide until the game was completely out of reach. Luongo should be the starter, but I sure hope AV uses both of our #1 goalies to maximize efficiency.

The big question mark is how Luongo responds in the playoffs following last year's final where he made a complete fool out of himself calling out Thomas' play and subsequently getting sparked and pulled multiple times in the series.

For the life of me, I can't understand why he chose to call out Thomas and bring all that bad karma on himself.

I'm not even sure he was trying to call out Thomas, I think the media just spun it out of control and made it sound that way. What he was trying to say is that Thomas would make some stops that Luongo wouldn't make, and Lu would make some saves that TT wouldn't make as both goalies have a completely different style. The problem is it came out a bit wrong, and the media turned it into some HUGE epidemic.

Check out the Playoff Simulation thread:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1159393

Even when simulated by a computer Luongo gets pulled in a couple of games for round one!

I'm not even sure he was trying to call out Thomas, I think the media just spun it out of control and made it sound that way. What he was trying to say is that Thomas would make some stops that Luongo wouldn't make, and Lu would make some saves that TT wouldn't make as both goalies have a completely different style. The problem is it came out a bit wrong, and the media turned it into some HUGE epidemic.

I'm not sure he was either and no doubt the media blew it up but at the end of the day, Lu is responsible for what he said.

It could have been all avoided if he just gave the cliche answer of "You know, I'm not gonna comment on the other team's play I'm just going to worry about what I'm doing". Surely that wasn't the first time he was asked a "gotchya" question by a reporter.

Hey! Canucks fans! Shhhh!

Why are you letting yourselves be drawn into this drivel?

(Canucks having unprecedented playoff woes was my personal favourite.)

We can debate the statistics all we want. Tim Thomas outplayed Luongo. Luongo didn't play well enough to win the Cup. Now back to who should start...for more of last year's Tim Thomas vs Luongo, you can read the 36 page thread at http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=918339

The thread brought back some memories from last year. Have fun. I did!

I'm not talking about who outplayed who. Luongo played well enough to get the Canucks to game 7 of the SCF, in a series where we didn't deserve to get past game 5. Based on your standard though, Tim Thomas didn't play well enough for the Bruins to get past Tampa, but he was bailed out by his offense once, something Luongo didn't get. Why do you ignore this point? You talk about Luongo being a failure and being such a terrible goalie, yet you've also proven that many other top goalies in the NHL are failures too. Ergo, I've come to the conclusion that your standards are impossible to reach and that every goalie is a failure.


Washington was the odds-on favourite to win that series anyway.

This would be acceptable if NY hadn't taken a 3-1 series lead. Lundqvist was pulled in 2 of the remaining 3 games. Luongo would have been ripped hard for that performance.


Vancouver had a much better team.

Luongo's only lost 1 playoff series to a team that did not win the Stanley Cup. Luongo has also only lost 1 playoff series to a team with fewer regular season points than the Canucks.


Made it to the ECF and had a pretty good playoffs.

By that standard, Luongo made it to the SCF and had a pretty good playoffs. Moving goalposts?


Boston had a much better team. Price was great in that round.

Carey Price has won exactly 1 playoff round in his entire career, yet he's great and Luongo's a choker for taking his team to game 7 of the SCF? :help:


Carolina is not a good hockey team.

Oh, so now we're using the team as an excuse? What about the fact that the entire Canucks defense was injured? What about the fact that the offense in last years playoffs was the worst offensive showing of any post-lockout team to make it past round 1? What about the offensive performance in the SCF being the absolute worst in modern history?


The Kings have yet to have a "gimme" playoff round.

Supposedly they have...they played Vancouver in 2010?


These are awful examples. Like it or not, Luongo and the Canucks' playoff woes are pretty unique.

Are they? Or are they unique to people who have a complete bias against Luongo?

Thank you for your post!

You don't know what it's like being a Canuck fan and having to deal with people like Y2k.

A lot of Canuck fans are so emotionally-invested in Luongo that they are blind to what objective people see when they watch him play..... an inconsistent mentally fragile goalie who can't be relied on when it matters most.

Yeah you know, it really sucks when fans of a team defend players who are actually good.

The Sedins no-showed the playoffs, and were absolutely brutal in the SCF yet you want to blame the goalie for our lack of offense. That's like a baseball team blaming their starting pitcher for the lack of homeruns they're producing. It's so illogical it hurts!

A lot of Canuck fans are so emotionally-invested in Luongo that they are blind to what objective people see when they watch him play...... [a solid goaltender who is often left hung out to dry by his defense, but one who still steals games for us and who does show up when it matters most].

Take a look at Luongo's record/stats in game 7's. Take a look at Luongo's ES SVP and GAA in both the regular season and the playoffs. Compare them with the rest of the league.

I'm not talking about who outplayed who. Luongo played well enough to get the Canucks to game 7 of the SCF, in a series where we didn't deserve to get past game 5. Based on your standard though, Tim Thomas didn't play well enough for the Bruins to get past Tampa, but he was bailed out by his offense once, something Luongo didn't get. Why do you ignore this point? You talk about Luongo being a failure and being such a terrible goalie, yet you've also proven that many other top goalies in the NHL are failures too. Ergo, I've come to the conclusion that your standards are impossible to reach and that every goalie is a failure.



True there were times Luongo wasn't baled out by his offense but in the totality of the last two playoff seasons, there were tow many games where he was terrible, had to be pulled and didn't bail out his teammates!

The Sedins no-showed the playoffs, and were absolutely brutal in the SCF yet you want to blame the goalie for our lack of offense. That's like a baseball team blaming their starting pitcher for the lack of homeruns they're producing. It's so illogical it hurts!



This thread is about Luonog vs Schneider not the Sedins. I've commented elsewhere about the pathetic Sedins and their diving. They are more like soccer players than hockey players. There's no place in the game for those clowns. They should join the Olympic diving team but that's for another thread!

True there were times Luongo wasn't baled out by his offense but in the totality of the last two playoff seasons, there were tow many games where he was terrible, had to be pulled and didn't bail out his teammates!

Are you telling me that other goalies don't have bad games? Last year I blame Luongo for game 6 of the SCF, and game 5 of the WQF. That's it. In past years there are a couple games here and there, but it isn't nearly as bad as you people make it out to be.

This thread is about Luonog vs Schneider not the Sedins. I've commented elsewhere about the pathetic Sedins and their diving. They are more like soccer players than hockey players. There's no place in the game for those clowns. They should join the Olympic diving team but that's for another thread!

Well that's going a little off on the deep end about the Sedins. There's definitely a place in the game for them and they are top players in the game. I just don't think we can win the Cup being built around them. Luongo last year nearly proved me wrong.

Nice job deflecting again though. I know the thread isn't about the Sedins, but I mentioned them to prove a point. Our offense was absolutely pathetic last year, and the only reason we got as far as we did was because of who our goaltender was. Roberto Luongo. Luongo took a team with a pathetic playoff offense to game 7 of the SCF. If our offense is a little better, we are Stanley Cup champions. We can win the Stanley Cup with Luongo in net...he's proven he can take us deep into the playoffs, so we would be stupid not to go with the guy who's proven.

Are you telling me that other goalies don't have bad games? Last year I blame Luongo for game 6 of the SCF, and game 5 of the WQF. That's it. In past years there are a couple games here and there, but it isn't nearly as bad as you people make it out to be.



Well that's going a little off on the deep end about the Sedins. There's definitely a place in the game for them and they are top players in the game. I just don't think we can win the Cup being built around them. Luongo last year nearly proved me wrong.

Nice job deflecting again though. I know the thread isn't about the Sedins, but I mentioned them to prove a point. Our offense was absolutely pathetic last year, and the only reason we got as far as we did was because of who our goaltender was. Roberto Luongo. Luongo took a team with a pathetic playoff offense to game 7 of the SCF. If our offense is a little better, we are Stanley Cup champions. We can win the Stanley Cup with Luongo in net...he's proven he can take us deep into the playoffs, so we would be stupid not to go with the guy who's proven.

It's rare in SCF history to have such an inconsistent netminder. Luongo single handedly lost them 3 SCF games. He plays well in one fo those 3, Canucks win. He lost them the series!

It's rare in SCF history to have such an inconsistent netminder. Luongo single handedly lost them 3 SCF games. He plays well in one fo those 3, Canucks win. He lost them the series!

Revisionist history? Luongo cost us game 6. He wasn't great in game 4 either so I could see an argument there. Game 3 was just a cluster**** of events. You also have to consider that Hamhuis was injured, Bieksa was playing injured, Edler was playing injured, Ehrhoff was playing injured, Rome was suspended. The Canucks did not have a healthy defense at all. No goalie is going to succeed in that environment, yet we still got to game 7.

True there were times Luongo wasn't baled out by his offense but in the totality of the last two playoff seasons, there were tow many games where he was terrible, had to be pulled and didn't bail out his teammates!

What planet are you on?

He had two shutouts in the SCF against boston. He won the only OT game.. Thats 3 of the needed four. His team, the team with the best offence in the league, didn't bail him out on any games. Even his two shutout games were 1-0. Game 7 the nucks scored ZERO goals.. you can't win when your team scores zero goals even if you pitch your third f#$ken shutout of the finals

Your points have no relation to reality.

As someone who grew up in the Boston area and went to BU, I saw alot of Schneider (more than I wanted to!) when he played at BC.

He was always a big game goalie, and I think if Vancouver starts him and uses him in the playoffs they take the cup home this year. As a Bruins fan I am loathe to admit this, but its honestly how I feel.

What planet are you on?

He had two shutouts in the SCF against boston. He won the only OT game.. Thats 3 of the needed four. His team, the team with the best offence in the league, didn't bail him out on any games. Even his two shutout games were 1-0. Game 7 the nucks scored ZERO goals.. you can't win when your team scores zero goals even if you pitch your third f#$ken shutout of the finals

Your points have no relation to reality.

OK, Luongo is the best ever. Most consistent. Didn't have any bad games. He';s the savior. Now where are the cups?

This is nonsense. Most people acknowledge the faults of Luongo.

I bet you, most teams want to face Luongo. It gives inferior teams the best chance of beating the Canucks.

The Sedins no-showed the playoffs

Lost pretty much all credibility there.

Sedins were 2nd and 4th in scoring in the playoffs last year.

As someone who grew up in the Boston area and went to BU, I saw alot of Schneider (more than I wanted to!) when he played at BC.

He was always a big game goalie, and I think if Vancouver starts him and uses him in the playoffs they take the cup home this year. As a Bruins fan I am loathe to admit this, but its honestly how I feel.

I agree Schneider is a very good goalie, but I also believe that under the same circumstances that Schneider wins a cup, Luongo can also win a Cup.

Last year you could sub Schneider in for Luongo for the SCF and with the way our offense produced we still lose. If our offense is that bad again this year it won't matter who's in net.

Lost pretty much all credibility there.

Sedins were 2nd and 4th in scoring in the playoffs last year.

Oh wow, so because the Sedins lit up San Jose that means they were great against Chicago, Nashville and Boston too?

In the 20 non-SJ games...

Henrik had 10 points and was a -14
Daniel had 14 points and was a -12

Those +/- numbers were by far the worst on our team as everyone else was around even.

So no, I don't lose any credibility for just looking at box scores like some people do.

OK, Luongo is the best ever. Most consistent. Didn't have any bad games. He';s the savior. Now where are the cups?

This is nonsense. Most people acknowledge the faults of Lebusto.

I bet you, most teams want to face Lebusto. It gives inferior teams the best chance of beating the Canucks.


No one said Luongo was the best ever. We've said you are wrong. You are wrong by the numbers and by any sane analysis of a goalie that went to game 7 with two 1-0 shutouts, an OT win and a team that didn't score any goals.. ya its the goalies fault he's a failure. There were 28 other failures as well.. yet you aren't on the preds thread i'm sure talking about the failure renne.

What you think you know about luongo, what you think you saw and what you think his stats are just don't match reality. You definitlly aren't alone.

It will be Luongo. Not necessarily who it should be, but that's the way it will go.

As someone who grew up in the Boston area and went to BU, I saw alot of Schneider (more than I wanted to!) when he played at BC.

He was always a big game goalie, and I think if Vancouver starts him and uses him in the playoffs they take the cup home this year. As a Bruins fan I am loathe to admit this, but its honestly how I feel.

And as someone who doesn't want the Canucks to win the cup, I hope they start Luongo every game and he plays every minute and every second of every game. I believe it gives his opponents the best chance of winning!

And as someone who doesn't want the Canucks to win the cup, I hope they start Luongo every game and he plays every minute and every second of every game. I believe it gives his opponents the best chance of winning!

I watched Luongo win 15 games last year for a team that put up the worst offense of any team to make it past round 1 post-lockout. If that offense shows up for ONE game in the final round, Luongo wins the Conn Smythe.

I watched Luongo win 15 games last year for a team that put up the worst offense of any team to make it past round 1 post-lockout. If that offense shows up for ONE game in the final round, Luongo wins the Conn Smythe.

They win the cup but Luongo had to many poor games throughout the playoffs. They win game 7, I truly believe that TT would still deserve the award.

They win the cup but Luongo had to many poor games throughout the playoffs. They win game 7, I truly believe that TT would still deserve the award.

Luongo had too many poor games throughout the playoffs?? How many poor games did Thomas have? If Thomas's offense came up lame like the Canucks did, in the ECF, then the Canucks play Tampa and not Boston.

As someone who grew up in the Boston area and went to BU, I saw alot of Schneider (more than I wanted to!) when he played at BC.

He was always a big game goalie, and I think if Vancouver starts him and uses him in the playoffs they take the cup home this year. As a Bruins fan I am loathe to admit this, but its honestly how I feel.

Well, about 75% of our city agrees with you. I think we can get it done with either - just have to stay healthier and get their heads out of their ***** as a team at times.

As someone who grew up in the Boston area and went to BU, I saw alot of Schneider (more than I wanted to!) when he played at BC.

He was always a big game goalie, and I think if Vancouver starts him and uses him in the playoffs they take the cup home this year. As a Bruins fan I am loathe to admit this, but its honestly how I feel.

I asked your fellow Mass-holes (I assume I can use that as a term of endearment) about Schneider, and I remember more than one poster admitting feelings of wariness about his usage over Luongo. Hehehehehe. :naughty:

Found that amusing. Schneider: MA boy. Bane of MA Bruins fans.

Right now Luongo is proving his naysayers wrong., He's playing great!

Right now Luongo is proving his naysayers wrong., He's playing great!

Its only been 40 minutes, bro. Lets judge after the series is over.

Its only been 40 minutes, bro. Lets judge after the series is over.

I agree but for all the negative arguments against Luongo, he's made 27 out of 29 saves through 40 and many of those have been quality saves. He's keeping his team in the game. A game they should have no reason being in. The only good player so far has been Luongo.

Yep Luongo has been the best player this game so far. He is not going to let another goal in. :)

Superb game from Luongo. Almost stole a game Canucks had no business being in.

Obviously, it will be completely ignored and forgotten.

I watched Luongo win 15 games last year for a team that put up the worst offense of any team to make it past round 1 post-lockout. If that offense shows up for ONE game in the final round, Luongo wins the Conn Smythe.

Seriously what the hell are you talking about?

Luongo had too many poor games throughout the playoffs?? How many poor games did Thomas have? If Thomas's offense came up lame like the Canucks did, in the ECF, then the Canucks play Tampa and not Boston.

Hate to break it to you but the Bruins offense wasn't overwhelming at all. In case you forgot Game 7 against Tampa was a 0-0 game up until the dying minutes. The Bruins offense was hot against Vancouver in the home games, and in the Flyers series.

Against MTL it was just average, and against Tampa it was just average. Without Thomas playing insane we dont win the Cup. And Luongo let up way to many goals to even be in the Conn Smythe discussion in the finals. The idea that you think he could have won it is seriously RIDICULOUS. Thomas wins it even if the Bruins lose game 7. Luongo wasnt even in the dicsussion dude.

Lou was good this evening. He was the least of the Canucks' worries tonight.

Luongo was the best player on the Canucks tonight. 'nuff said.

Superb game from Luongo. Almost stole a game Canucks had no business being in.

Obviously, it will be completely ignored and forgotten.

His great performance will be noted as will his letting in a terrible goal that cost his team the game.
He made brilliant saves throughout the night but that one putrid game is going to piss him off!

It wasn't his fault he lost. His teammates played garbage hockey all night. He just couldn't let that dribbler from a horrid angle go in.

Luongo was the best player on the Canucks tonight. 'nuff said.

I like the "'nuff said" as if to say that one strong game in a loss is enough to remove any doubt about his playoff performances.

I don't think anyone can say that he (Luongo) isn't capable of playing great games.

The issue with him seems to be is, when he has a bad game, he's really bad. Which would also be OK, except that he seems to have a few too many bad games in the playoffs.

Maybe he erases that reputation this year. He's on his way.:)

His great performance will be noted as will his letting in a terrible goal that cost his team the game.
He made brilliant saves throughout the night but that one putrid game is going to piss him off!

It wasn't his fault he lost. His teammates played garbage hockey all night. He just couldn't let that dribbler from a horrid angle go in.

Yeah, you gotta stop that Richards shot.

That was the first I've gotten to watch J.Quick, what a good young goalie. He does seem to over-commit quite often, a la Tim Thomas IMO though.

BobbyLu played pretty well, outside of the 1st goal...Kings pretty well dominated..

Yeah, you gotta stop that Richards shot.

That was the first I've gotten to watch J.Quick, what a good young goalie. He does seem to over-commit quite often, a la Tim Thomas IMO though.

Luongo played a pretty solid game imo...the game winner was a fluky type goal...

Quick is just so damn quick!! he moves from post to post at an insane speed. Quick could steal this series for the Kings imo.

It's sad. Luongo had a solid game last night. Really no question about ti. But for his play, the Canucks lose 6,7 or 8-2. but he has a way of letting in softies, way to often. t\That's fuel to his critics fire.

His great performance will be noted as will his letting in a terrible goal that cost his team the game.


Game was tied 1-1 with 46 minutes left

I like the "'nuff said" as if to say that one strong game in a loss is enough to remove any doubt about his playoff performances.

I don't think anyone can say that he (Luongo) isn't capable of playing great games.

The issue with him seems to be is, when he has a bad game, he's really bad. Which would also be OK, except that he seems to have a few too many bad games in the playoffs.

Maybe he erases that reputation this year. He's on his way.:)

:facepalm: The thread is about who should start the next game. "'nuff said" was refering to having AV go with Luongo who clearly gave them a chance to win.

It's sad. Luongo had a solid game last night. Really no question about ti. But for his play, the Canucks lose 6,7 or 8-2. but he has a way of letting in softies, way to often. t\That's fuel to his critics fire.

So if Luongo didn't have a stellar game, it would have been called a complete meltdown. But because he has a stellar game then it's his teammates that get the blame? In other words, if he just plays well or decently it's deemed that his play was worse than it actually was?

The point I'm trying to make is that the Canucks typically have very poor outings like last night, and unless Luongo is absolutely stellar like he was last night, we are going to be blown out. It's not fair to call those games Luongo meltdowns when the team in front of him played like garbage.

BobbyLu played pretty well, outside of the 1st goal...Kings pretty well dominated..

It was a 5 on 3. I can't blame Luongo for that goal. It looked weak because Luongo was cheating expecting a pass. Had Richards passed the puck, Luongo makes what's deemed to he a great save. Instead Richards shot and it looked bad. If Luongo doesn't cheat, and Richards passes, it's almost a sure goal unless its a bad pass. Very tough situation there.

So if Luongo didn't have a stellar game, it would have been called a complete meltdown. But because he has a stellar game then it's his teammates that get the blame? In other words, if he just plays well or decently it's deemed that his play was worse than it actually was?

The point I'm trying to make is that the Canucks typically have very poor outings like last night, and unless Luongo is absolutely stellar like he was last night, we are going to be blown out. It's not fair to call those games Luongo meltdowns when the team in front of him played like garbage.

C'Mon. It's widely accepted that Goalies, like their QB counterparts in the NFL are considered to affect the outcome of a game in a greater way than any other player. In hockey, a goalie can win a game if his teammates aren't doing the job. The Backstopper is the most important player in the game. When he has a poor game, it is evident to everyone watching. Same is true when he has a stellar game.

Yeah, you gotta stop that Richards shot.

That was the first I've gotten to watch J.Quick, what a good young goalie. He does seem to over-commit quite often, a la Tim Thomas IMO though.


This, below is bang on.....

It was a 5 on 3. I can't blame Luongo for that goal. It looked weak because Luongo was cheating expecting a pass. Had Richards passed the puck, Luongo makes what's deemed to he a great save. Instead Richards shot and it looked bad. If Luongo doesn't cheat, and Richards passes, it's almost a sure goal unless its a bad pass. Very tough situation there.

.... and I'm certainly not a Canucks/ or Luongo supporter. Truth be told he was dead in the water either way, 5 on 3's, when played right, will do that.

As someone who grew up in the Boston area and went to BU, I saw alot of Schneider (more than I wanted to!) when he played at BC.

He was always a big game goalie, and I think if Vancouver starts him and uses him in the playoffs they take the cup home this year. As a Bruins fan I am loathe to admit this, but its honestly how I feel.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Schneider's stats are better relative to his average when he plays against better teams.

Luongo's stats are about the same or go down when he plays better teams.

However, it doesn't matter. Schneider won't get a fair chance.

It's politics. Can't have a $60m+ plus contract go to waste. Gotta play Luongo even if it costs us the cup like it did last year.

Seriously what the hell are you talking about? \

Well, at the very least at the end of game 2 of the SCF Luongo was probably the odds on favourite for the Conn Smythe. He was the Canucks playoff MVP. You could speculate that had the Canucks won game 7 that Thomas would have won the MVP anyways, although Luongo did have 2 1-0 shutouts in the SCF, and probably would have needed another 1-0 shutout in game 7 for the Canucks to win the Cup, so 3 1-0 shutouts in the SCF probably would have clinched the Conn Smythe.



Hate to break it to you but the Bruins offense wasn't overwhelming at all. In case you forgot Game 7 against Tampa was a 0-0 game up until the dying minutes. The Bruins offense was hot against Vancouver in the home games, and in the Flyers series.

Against MTL it was just average, and against Tampa it was just average. Without Thomas playing insane we dont win the Cup. And Luongo let up way to many goals to even be in the Conn Smythe discussion in the finals. The idea that you think he could have won it is seriously RIDICULOUS. Thomas wins it even if the Bruins lose game 7. Luongo wasnt even in the dicsussion dude.

As underwhelming as the Bruins offense may have been, the Canucks was worse:

Round 1, Boston averaged 2.43 goals for per game, Canucks averaged 2.23
Round 2, Boston averaged 5 goals for per game, Canucks averaged 2.33
Round 3, Boston averaged 3 goals for per game, Canucks averaged 4

through 3 rounds the Bruins averaged 3.22 goals for per game, Canucks averaged 2.78 goals for per game.

The Bruins clearly had a better offense than the Canucks throughout the playoffs. Without Luongo playing insane the Canucks don't even get to game 7 of the SCF, by your standard. And again, without the Bruins offense bailing out Thomas once in the ECF, the Bruins don't even get to the SCF and that's a luxury Luongo never had. The game I'm referring to is game 2 of the ECF when Thomas allowed 5 goals but still won the game. In fact, throughout the whole playoffs the Bruins won 2 games when Thomas let in 4 or more goals, whereas the Canucks won 0 when Luongo did.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Schneider's stats are better relative to his average when he plays against better teams.

Luongo's stats are about the same or go down when he plays better teams.

However, it doesn't matter. Schneider won't get a fair chance.

It's politics. Can't have a $60m+ plus contract go to waste. Gotta play Luongo even if it costs us the cup like it did last year.

Luongo didn't cost us a Cup last year. The Sedins did.

I personally would go with Luongo in game 2. Then I would play Schneider on the road.

I personally would go with Luongo in game 2. Then I would play Schneider on the road.

With the way Luongo played last night, he shouldn't be sitting.

Luongo starts game 2..... but if they lose for any reason they switch it up for game 3.

It was a 5 on 3. I can't blame Luongo for that goal. It looked weak because Luongo was cheating expecting a pass. Had Richards passed the puck, Luongo makes what's deemed to he a great save. Instead Richards shot and it looked bad. If Luongo doesn't cheat, and Richards passes, it's almost a sure goal unless its a bad pass. Very tough situation there.

Thats fair enough, and I agree.

IMO Luongo plays until he sucks, two games in a row. Not saying that he will.

Thats fair enough, and I agree.

IMO Luongo plays until he sucks, two games in a row. Not saying that he will.

I agree. If Luongo has two bad games in a row then Luongo should be replaced by Schneider, at least for one game. It worked well in the regular season.

I think you have to start Schneider on the road now!

Goals 1-4: Luongo makes great intitial save, 3+ Canucks players aimlessly float towards the net and allow the Kings to score while he was out of position.

Goal 2: Breakaway. Stoppable, but Brown pulled a nice move.

Goal 3: ...No excuses.

Overall, Luongo played great IMO.

Luongo starts game 2..... but if they lose for any reason they switch it up for game 3.

I'll be interested to see if I'm right on this one.

Should they change for cory next game? yes.
Is it because of luongo's play? no.

Luongo has been fantastic for Vancouver, but a change is needed, I would be chocked as ****ed if I was luongo

Luongo has been okay but he will become the scapegoat if they lose this series.

Two bad goals and one questionable one.
1) Luongo let's in dribbling puck.
2) Luongo over commits on Breakaway.
3) Luongo stays on the ice way too long on wrap around.
(questionable goal).
Quick faced more shots, made bigger saves and won the game. Goaltending was the difference tonight and this night, it was Quick who won the game for his team.

Well its hard to fault him on any of the goals tonight.

Should they ch.ange for cory next game? yes.
Is it because of luongo's play? no.

Luongo has been fantastic for Vancouver, but a change is needed, I would be chocked as ****ed if I was luongo agreed. I love to point out flaws in his game but he's playing rather well and doesn't deserve blame. Seems like the Kings just want it more?

agreed. I love to point out flaws in his game but he's playing rather well and doesn't deserve blame. Seems like the Kings just want it more?

It is true that the rest of the team decided to take a vacation to Hawaii for this series.

Even if Luongo's been good, I would still go with Schneider next game. Team needs a change, he's better at special teams, and the team plays differently in front of him.

Two bad goals and one questionable one.
1) Luongo let's in dribbling puck.
2) Luongo over commits on Breakaway.
3) Luongo stays on the ice way too long on wrap around.
(questionable goal).
Quick faced more shots, made bigger saves and won the game. Goaltending was the difference tonight and this night, it was Quick who won the game for his team.

You're joking right? You must be...there's no WAY you can be serious.

You're joking right? You must be...there's no WAY you can be serious.

He's either joking or trolling.

Luongo was once again the Canucks best player

He's either joking or trolling.

Luongo was once again the Canucks best player

I did say in an earlier post that he had no support and I agree that he was their best player but it wasn't good enough. Quick on the other hand , did a better job. Luongo looked shaky on a couple.

That dribbler under his arm was bad. He did over-commit on the breakaway. Was it his fault? Not really, it was still a good goal. Luongo played well, not great. The Canucks needed him to play great.

Well those of us who thought Schneider should start, we get our wish tonight. To say this is a must win for Schneider is an understatement. If he doesn't have a great game, there will be a huge goaltending issue.

You're joking right? You must be...there's no WAY you can be serious.

Did you see Quick on the wrap around tonight? He was Quick, no pun intended. Luongo let in at least one questionable goal in each of his starts. Even in the loss tonight, Schneider's goal wasn't a bad goal.
That's the knock against Luongo.

People have said that Luo doesn't have anyone playing well in front of him. That may be true but neither did Quick tonight and he shut the door and stole one.

That's why the goalie position is the most important. If you have a great goalie, they can single handedly win you the game. Luo isn't that goalie. He will always let in one bad goal a game.

Did you see Quick on the wrap around tonight? He was Quick, no pun intended. Luongo let in at least one questionable goal in each of his starts. Even in the loss tonight, Schneider's goal wasn't a bad goal.
That's the knock against Luongo.

People have said that Luo doesn't have anyone playing well in front of him. That may be true but neither did Quick tonight and he shut the door and stole one.

That's why the goalie position is the most important. If you have a great goalie, they can single handedly win you the game. Luo isn't that goalie. He will always let in one bad goal a game.

quick didnt have half the team on top of him

quick didnt have half the team on top of him

So the Canucks weren't storming the net all third period long. You had 3,4 guys ramming into him and he still made the saves! He was brilliant tonight. If the Canucks had Quick tonight, they win game 3.