NFL Week 12 thread

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 01:04 PM
The Giants red jerseys look terrible.

And the Eagles run D does too.

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 01:09 PM
Texans in deep trouble today...McNair has come to play

7-0 Titans with a pass to Kinney

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 01:11 PM
2:02 into the Browns/Bengals game and it's already 7-7.

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 01:16 PM
2:02 into the Browns/Bengals game and it's already 7-7.

:lol: David Carr already picked off by the Titans Scott McGarrahan (sp?) have the ball starting at the Texans 43 yard line

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 01:18 PM
Chris Collinsworth with the quote of the day:

"Strahan said 'it's Eli's team, not my team.' "

Dear Chris, that's probably because Strahan is out for the year, and you should have mentioned that.

FlyersGuy69
11-28-2004, 01:21 PM
yeah, he is master of the obvious.

wow! nice throw...

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 01:21 PM
McNair 7 for 7

Kinney with 2 TD rec's

14-0 9:16 into the game

Herby
11-28-2004, 01:51 PM
Chargers playing terrible against a lousy Chiefs team.

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 01:55 PM
Titans 14-3

about to be 16-3 after the overturning of this bs 1 inch line call by the ref ... Carr wasn't touched UNTIL the ball was in his own end zone ... that's a safety by definition

way to blow that call Larry Nemers

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 02:05 PM
Derrick Mason makes it 21-3 Titans

McNair 10 for 13 118 yards 3 TD passes

I thought Houston prided themselves on defense

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 02:09 PM
David Carr is getting hit on almost every play

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 02:11 PM
21-10 Titans ... Jonathan Wells scores

Patty Ice
11-28-2004, 02:16 PM
I asked the question on the board...who to start, McNair or Carr? Only one person responds and his reply...Carr. I ask my friends for opinions..."Oh, McNair hasn't played that well even when injured...start Carr." Moral of the story, God hates me :D

PredsFan77*
11-28-2004, 02:20 PM
Eli had the ball 1st and 3 and threw a nice INT to the Philly CB. Titans are letting the Texans hang around...

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 02:38 PM
:bow: Randy Starks :bow:

2 sacks and a Field Goal block

TVanek26*
11-28-2004, 02:45 PM
******* Chris Brown.That's going to be a big fat 0 for fantasy....*******.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-28-2004, 02:51 PM
:bow: Randy Starks :bow:

2 sacks and a Field Goal block This kid is a monster. One of the youngest players in the league (20 years old) and he's got 4.5 sacks as a DT playing about 5-10 plays per game.

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 02:56 PM
Eli had the ball 1st and 3 and threw a nice INT to the Philly CB. Titans are letting the Texans hang around...

agreed... the momentum shifted when Shad Meier couldn't give the ball to the ref and tossed the ball at one of the Texan player... the Titans may just lose this game

21-17 Titans

Vomiting Kermit*
11-28-2004, 03:09 PM
:lol: @ Dante Hall.

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 03:18 PM
Titanics down 24-21 :shakehead

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 03:54 PM
Titans picked off by Marlon McCree

ugh I give up on this jeckyl & hyde team

Ronnie Bass
11-28-2004, 03:54 PM
Bengals are beating the Browns 50-48!

Vic Rattlehead*
11-28-2004, 03:55 PM
Hall scores a TD on a kickoff return.

Look at the Cincy-Cleveland games. 51-48 Bengals with 6 mins left.

Vic Rattlehead*
11-28-2004, 03:56 PM
Bengals are beating the Browns 50-48!
Beat my by a minute! :mad:

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 03:58 PM
TB/Carolina: kickers are a combined 0-5.

thestonedkoala
11-28-2004, 04:01 PM
Funny...

Culpepper fumbled in the RZ, then Leftwich fumbled in his red zone but that resulted in a touchdown :D

Vic Rattlehead*
11-28-2004, 04:02 PM
Funny...

Culpepper fumbled in the RZ, then Leftwich fumbled in his red zone but that resulted in a touchdown :D
:mad: What the hell is wrong with the Jags? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 04:03 PM
:mad: What the hell is wrong with the Jags? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
You mean besides their young, inconsistent offense and bad head coach?

Riggins
11-28-2004, 04:05 PM
:mad: What the hell is wrong with the Jags? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

That was absolutely killer. :madfire: The inability to turn red zone opportunities into touchdowns hurts this team so much. That and the non-existent pass rush.

Vic Rattlehead*
11-28-2004, 04:07 PM
You mean besides their young, inconsistent offense and bad head coach?
Ya, thanks for that. :shakehead

Leftwich is still learning and can be a top ten quarterback in his prime. BTW, what team do you cheer for? I just want to know.

Vomiting Kermit*
11-28-2004, 04:10 PM
58-48 Bungles.

Vic Rattlehead*
11-28-2004, 04:11 PM
Bengals return an intereception for a touchdown. 58-48 now for the Bengals, with less than 2 minutes to go.

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 04:14 PM
Ya, thanks for that. :shakehead

Leftwich is still learning and can be a top ten quarterback in his prime. BTW, what team do you cheer for? I just want to know.
I was just kidding around. They're young, it's really that simple.

As for who I root for... no one in particular really. The Eagles are the hometown team, but I don't live or die with them.

JCD
11-28-2004, 04:15 PM
That was absolutely killer. :madfire: The inability to turn red zone opportunities into touchdowns hurts this team so much. That and the non-existent pass rush.

I don't think anything is wrong with the Jags really. Meaning, I don't think they are underachieving, they just are not that good of a team yet. Their only wins have come in the last minute of the game, and a fair portions of those were blind luck (such as Griffin's fumble).

Jags will be good in time, but are a few pieces away yet.

Vic Rattlehead*
11-28-2004, 04:17 PM
I don't think anything is wrong with the Jags really. Meaning, I don't think they are underachieving, they just are not that good of a team yet. Their only wins have come in the last minute of the game, and a fair portions of those were blind luck (such as Griffin's fumble).

Jags will be good in time, but are a few pieces away yet.
I'd like to see the Jags draft a LB in the draft in the first round.
Crap, Jags play Pittsburgh next week. :banghead:

JCD
11-28-2004, 04:17 PM
Vikes win in a great game. Most impressively, the Vikes defense has actually looked good two weeks in a row. Well, looked good in the 2nd half for two weeks in a row...

Ronnie Bass
11-28-2004, 04:20 PM
Quincey Carter is shaken up, looks like he's a little dizzy right now. Brooks Bollinger is in.

lux_interior
11-28-2004, 04:22 PM
Whew! The Chargers get a late field goal to beat the Chiefs 34-31. That was close. The worst team in the AFC West almost beat the best team. :D

JCD
11-28-2004, 04:24 PM
I'd like to see the Jags draft a LB in the draft in the first round.
Crap, Jags play Pittsburgh next week. :banghead:

You can spin this either way. Jags are in position to get a good player they need no matter who falls to them. To be honest, I think LB is lower on their list of needs. Peterson is good to great while Ayodele is coming into his own as a quality LB. A 3rd quality LB would be great, but there are more pressing needs.
-Offensive line (tackles look rather suspect)
-Defensive end (arguably the worst pair in the NFL)
-TE (Brady is more a blocking 2nd TE and getting on in years)
-CB (Mathis is OK, but Washington and Boldin stink)
-SS (Darius is a FA and wants out)
-K (Scobee looks irratic)

guinness
11-28-2004, 04:25 PM
So can the Chiefs finish 7-2? Oops, 7-1, no, 7-0, wait, what are they up to now? :lol

Hockeyfan02
11-28-2004, 04:33 PM
So can the Chiefs finish 7-2? Oops, 7-1, no, 7-0, wait, what are they up to now? :lol

5 - -4?

Ronnie Bass
11-28-2004, 04:55 PM
If St. Louis loses tomorrow night, Carolina after starting 1-7 will be one game out of the playoffs with five left to play. Pretty good recovery and luck, luck being that the NFC is a joke.

Riggins
11-28-2004, 04:56 PM
JCD, how has Udeze been in his rookie season? He came up with the big forced fumble today. A lot of Jags fans were hoping to draft him, instead they reached for Reggie Williams who has struggled tremendously.

Smash255
11-28-2004, 05:12 PM
I could have blocked better than the Giants O Line today and I'm 5'9 155

JCD
11-28-2004, 05:14 PM
JCD, how has Udeze been in his rookie season? He came up with the big forced fumble today. A lot of Jags fans were hoping to draft him, instead they reached for Reggie Williams who has struggled tremendously.

Decent, but not great. He has his moments and has been much better the past few weeks. He has great hustle and plays the run fairly well, but has trouble getting off blockers. He does well when he is more athletic/talented than the OT opposite him, but has been pretty quiet when they are decent.

Vic Rattlehead*
11-28-2004, 05:15 PM
If St. Louis loses tomorrow night, Carolina after starting 1-7 will be one game out of the playoffs with five left to play. Pretty good recovery and luck, luck being that the NFC is a joke.
If the Rams do lose, here is how the playoff seeds will look like.
The last wildcard would be the Giants and Rams at 5-6, with a bunch of 4-7 teams behind, such as Detroit, Chicago, Carolina, New Orleans(if they lose against Atlanta) Dallas, and Tampa Bay. If Arizona loses, they will also fall to 4-7. If they win, they will be tied with the Giants and Packers. What a wacky wild NFC.

Vic Rattlehead*
11-28-2004, 05:17 PM
JCD, how has Udeze been in his rookie season? He came up with the big forced fumble today. A lot of Jags fans were hoping to draft him, instead they reached for Reggie Williams who has struggled tremendously.

Williams isn't being thrown the ball a lot, which kind of sucks. He is struggling, but he is also not recieving passes. The fumble he has though doesn't help.

DJ Spinoza
11-28-2004, 05:48 PM
Looks like I'm going to lose my matchup this week. I am losing by 5 points, and have Droughns, Lelie, Charles Woodson, and the Seattle defense left... vs Martin, Holt, Driver, and Vinatieri for them.

To win, I need some monster games from Lelie and Droughns especially, and hopefully Holt and Driver won't do much damage tommorow.

Some defensive touchdowns from Seattle would help, but they are losing 17-3 to Buffalo right now at the half. :shakehead

I think to even have a chance, Martin needs to have no touchdowns for the Jets in the second half.

TVanek26*
11-28-2004, 06:03 PM
Wow,Seattle is lucky Bledsoe is so horrible or they would ne down by about 30.

Wild Thing
11-28-2004, 06:07 PM
Quincey Carter is shaken up, looks like he's a little dizzy right now. Brooks Bollinger is in.

That's not good if you're a Jets fan. Carter has a Wonderlic score of 30, and Bollinger's is only 28. I don't see how the Jets can win, especially if McCown is still in for the Cards. His Wonderlic score is a solid 30. Bollinger doesn't have a chance.

TVanek26*
11-28-2004, 06:12 PM
TD MCGAHEE!

2nd today and it is 24-3 Buffalo!

Fish on The Sand
11-28-2004, 06:30 PM
my god KC is pissing me off. Can't they just win one close game? I mean this is beyonf rediculous, I don't think they have lost any games by more than 10 points this year. BTW, to anyone who thought that Holmes was a product of his line, you have been proven dead wrong.

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 06:34 PM
my god KC is pissing me off. Can't they just win one close game? I mean this is beyonf rediculous, I don't think they have lost any games by more than 10 points this year. BTW, to anyone who thought that Holmes was a product of his line, you have been proven dead wrong.
Que? Blaylock and Johnson had 100 yards on 18 carries. And 3 TDs.

Ronnie Bass
11-28-2004, 06:39 PM
Is there a QB in the league worse than Shaun King? Man, he's been god awfull today.

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 06:42 PM
Is there a QB in the league worse than Shaun King? Man, he's been god awfull today.
Jonathan Quinn. Josh McCown ain't much better.

Ronnie Bass
11-28-2004, 06:46 PM
Jonathan Quinn. Josh McCown ain't much better.

I think that's who is coming in next, I think we can say that they have the worst QB's in the league.

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 06:51 PM
I think that's who is coming in next, I think we can say that they have the worst QB's in the league.
Josh McCown's favorite reciever is the ground. But Green doesn't appear to be in the market for a QB, although he should be. Kyle Boller would be an improvement.

Oh I forgot to mention Mark Brunell is worse too.

Hockeyfan02
11-28-2004, 06:52 PM
BTW, to anyone who thought that Holmes was a product of his line, you have been proven dead wrong.

Lets see the other 2 guys combined get over 5 yards a carry and 3tds. Yep nothing to do with the o-line, just great backups.....

TVanek26*
11-28-2004, 06:59 PM
YES!

WILLIS MCGAHEE 4 TD's TODAY!

BILLS DOMINATE THE NFC WEST

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-28-2004, 07:03 PM
Decent fantasy week.
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/181000

Manning: 6 Td's
McCallister: 100 yards rushing
W. Green: 75 yards and a score
C. Johnson: 117 + 1 TD
Horn: 100+ yards and 1 paydirt visit
McCareins: Minimal
Crumpler: Huge free-agent pickup after week 1. 100+ and a TD.

Elam has yet to play and TB's defence will probably break even for me.

TVanek26*
11-28-2004, 07:07 PM
Chris Brown has been dominating the past few weeks cruiser.In fact,Willis McGahee shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Brown for good Fantasy RB's.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-28-2004, 07:13 PM
Chris Brown has been dominating the past few weeks cruiser.In fact,Willis McGahee shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Brown for good Fantasy RB's. I don't recall fantasy being included... but Brown is sliding. Congradulations to Willis on a solid performance. The gap is narrowing but back when the thread was hot, Willis wasn't.

DJ Spinoza
11-28-2004, 07:14 PM
Man, Seattle's defense is killing me.

Also, Vinatiera has scored a ridiculous amoung of points against me today, just because he kicked two 40+ yard field goals.

I need Droughns to have like 200 yards tonight and maybe 3 TDs to even have a decent shot at winning. Holt and Driver need to both have bad games tommorow.

Luckily the weather for the Denver game isn't going to be very good, so that means they will probably run a lot. I just need TD runs/passes to Droughns or Lelie.

The Guy on the Couch*
11-28-2004, 07:25 PM
Throwing against Pittsburgh is like babies. Hard to deliver but fun when you make them.

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 07:29 PM
Snow in Denver. Now you have a reason to tune into Raiders/Broncos.

ObeySteve
11-28-2004, 07:38 PM
Throwing against Pittsburgh is like babies. Hard to deliver but fun when you make them.

Or just something you abort when it's not something you can handle but don't want the public to know that.

....Sorry, couldn't resist.

Ronnie Bass
11-28-2004, 07:40 PM
Snow in Denver. Now you have a reason to tune into Raiders/Broncos.

Yeah, I love that ****.

Crappy weather and football = priceless

:yo:

ObeySteve
11-28-2004, 07:42 PM
Yeah, I love that ****.

Crappy weather and football = priceless

:yo:

For once we get to see football where the entire focus isn't the passing game because the NFL warped the way games are officiated to help it.

Hockeyfan02
11-28-2004, 07:48 PM
2004 San Francisco 49ers, worst team in NFL history. :cry: Screw Donahue and York. :mad:

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 07:55 PM
Yeah, I love that ****.

Crappy weather and football = priceless

:yo:
That's one of the things that makes football so great. The worse the weather, the better. And bad weather is almost always an equalizer... in decent weather Denver should walk away with the win.

hockeyfan125
11-28-2004, 07:58 PM
How 'bout those Seahawks....[/sarcasm]

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 08:02 PM
2004 San Francisco 49ers, worst team in NFL history. :cry: Screw Donahue and York. :mad:
The winless Bucs were so much worse. They lost 26 straight games. But at least they had a great coach to listen to.

Reporter: What do you think about the offense's execution?
McKay: I think it's a good idea.

Well, we didn't block anybody today. But we made up for it by not tackling anyone.

When you bring everybody back from a team that lost 10 games, experience isn't too important.

I remember in Pittsburgh we had no players and the ones we did have wanted to stay at the hotel by the fire. I was ticked because that's where I wanted to stand.

If a contest had 97 prizes, the 98th would be a trip to Green Bay.

Opening games make me nervous. To tell the truth, I'd rather open with our second game.

It's shattering when a player loses interest in camp. When you lose your desire to stand around and eat steaks, you lose everything.

guinness
11-28-2004, 08:05 PM
Is there a QB in the league worse than Shaun King? Man, he's been god awfull today.

Perhaps Harrington and McMahon.

Fish on The Sand
11-28-2004, 08:11 PM
Lets see the other 2 guys combined get over 5 yards a carry and 3tds. Yep nothing to do with the o-line, just great backups.....
I probably should have looked at their carries before their total yards.

Vomiting Kermit*
11-28-2004, 08:11 PM
Kyle Boller: 15/35, 93 YDS, 0 TDs, 1 INT

LOL

ObeySteve
11-28-2004, 08:12 PM
Kyle Boller: 15/35, 93 YDS, 0 TDs, 1 INT

LOL

And the analysts said this morning on FOX that bad weather helps the passing game.

Jared Ramsden
11-28-2004, 08:25 PM
Whew! The Chargers get a late field goal to beat the Chiefs 34-31. That was close. The worst team in the AFC West almost beat the best team. :D

Antonio Gates and Drew Brees :bow: :amazed: :bow: and can't forget LT :handclap: This was a toughy for SD, but they pulled it off....if the Raiders can pull of a miracle and beat Denver, SD is in first all alone...if not, we have a showdown for 1st place next week!!!

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 08:26 PM
And the analysts said this morning on FOX that bad weather helps the passing game.
If you're the Raiders your passing game has only one way to go, so perhaps it will help them.

Gibsons Finest
11-28-2004, 08:28 PM
Damn McGahee. I decide to sit him for a week, and he goes and gets 4 TDs. Martin only got 99 rush yards and no TDs, so Droughns better dominate.

Never gonna doubt him again.

Dr Love
11-28-2004, 08:36 PM
Aahhh!!! More Orange Jerseys. Why?!?!

Well, I guess it's okay with Denver.

GKJ
11-28-2004, 08:54 PM
Al Wilson is a beast

golfmade
11-28-2004, 08:55 PM
Ugh, the two teams I hate most. Can't the game just end in a tie?

Avery4Byng*
11-28-2004, 08:56 PM
broncos-raiders game is great to watch.

gotta love the weather

JCD
11-28-2004, 09:28 PM
my god KC is pissing me off. Can't they just win one close game? I mean this is beyonf rediculous, I don't think they have lost any games by more than 10 points this year. BTW, to anyone who thought that Holmes was a product of his line, you have been proven dead wrong.

Say what?

I don't know if anybody said he was a product of that line, but he sure as heck is helped by it.

Blaylock has stated three games in Holmes' absence. Now, Blaylock is nothing special as a RB. The guy has 393 total yards in those games, albeit almost half of them against Saints. Holmes is a great back, top-5 in the league, but it is pretty naive not to notice how freakin good his offensive line is or how important a line is for a team's success.

Tuggy
11-28-2004, 09:35 PM
Derrick Mason makes it 21-3 Titans

McNair 10 for 13 118 yards 3 TD passes

I thought Houston prided themselves on defense

:lol: I wish I could of seen the look on your face when the Titans blew that lead!!

Tuggy
11-28-2004, 09:36 PM
Just gotta give props to my boys again this week. Another totally dominating performance. The Ravens were completely outclassed.

DJ Spinoza
11-28-2004, 10:01 PM
Rod Smith :mad:

Why couldn't that 80 yard pass have been to Lelie? :cry:

That's pretty much it for me this week. Another casualty of Peyton Manning...

Anyone know the latest word on Holmes? Will he play at all for the rest of the year? At least I was able to pick up Julius Jones, so I'm not in THAT bad of shape with Jones/Droughns, but still...

Wild Bill
11-28-2004, 10:17 PM
Rod Smith :mad:

Why couldn't that 80 yard pass have been to Lelie? :cry:

That's pretty much it for me this week. Another casualty of Peyton Manning...

Anyone know the latest word on Holmes? Will he play at all for the rest of the year? At least I was able to pick up Julius Jones, so I'm not in THAT bad of shape with Jones/Droughns, but still...
I can relate on the Rod Smith TD. I'm playing the 3 time reigning division champ this week. I have a game and 18 points on him with this week and next week left. Going into tonights game I had a 5 pt lead. I have Plummer and he has Rod Smith...ARGH! Although, tomorrow he has Bulger and I have Holt...kinda weird.

Jones was a great pick up considering the amount of carries he gets from Tuna. He should give you decent replacement in Holmes. I heard week 13 on Holmes, two weeks ago, for whatever that's worth. Can't see him being rushed back with KC sitting on a 3-8 record. They wouldn't even have a chance in the NFC.

The Guy on the Couch*
11-28-2004, 11:07 PM
Rod Smith :mad:

Why couldn't that 80 yard pass have been to Lelie? :cry:

That's pretty much it for me this week. Another casualty of Peyton Manning...

Anyone know the latest word on Holmes? Will he play at all for the rest of the year? At least I was able to pick up Julius Jones, so I'm not in THAT bad of shape with Jones/Droughns, but still...

:lol: The snow just screwed you.

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 11:14 PM
this game is turning into a route...great weather

The Guy on the Couch*
11-28-2004, 11:19 PM
COLLINS!!!!! :bow:

Joe T Choker
11-28-2004, 11:23 PM
COLLINS!!!!! :bow:

COLLINS :lol :lol:

Avery4Byng*
11-28-2004, 11:29 PM
COLLINS :shakehead :shakehead

The Guy on the Couch*
11-28-2004, 11:30 PM
COLLINS :beatup: :beatup: :beatup:

The Guy on the Couch*
11-28-2004, 11:35 PM
CURRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bow: :bow: :bow:

Anthony*
11-28-2004, 11:35 PM
wow

amazing catch

GKJ
11-28-2004, 11:36 PM
CURRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bow: :bow: :bow:


that was insane



Not Collins burns a time out on the 2.

GKJ
11-28-2004, 11:43 PM
Curry gets wide open again for a 64 yard pass play.

The Guy on the Couch*
11-28-2004, 11:44 PM
CURRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bow: :bow: :bow:


:amazed: :amazed:

GKJ
11-28-2004, 11:48 PM
touchdown porter


raiders miss the 2 again



25-24

GKJ
11-28-2004, 11:58 PM
a guy who is 6-8 345 just blocked the game winning field goal

Anthony*
11-28-2004, 11:59 PM
awesome game

Mathletic
11-29-2004, 12:00 AM
Raiiiiders !!! :devil: :devil: :devil:

DJ Spinoza
11-29-2004, 12:03 AM
Well, I'm ahead by three points, according to my count. So unless Driver and Holt can't get a combined 40 yards or a TD, I'm toast. :cry:

This is about the 3rd tight game I've lost.

Joe T Choker
11-29-2004, 12:06 AM
a guy who is 6-8 345 just blocked the game winning field goal

*blames the holder* ;)

Jake Plummer rested when they should have continued to attack the middle...

a 30 - 39 yard FG would've probably been good, but who knows with how slick those K balls are in the wintertime

PredsFan77*
11-29-2004, 12:09 AM
The laces were in.

MLH
11-29-2004, 12:11 AM
The gap is narrowing but back when the thread was hot, Willis wasn't.

Back when the thread was hot Willis had 3 straight 100 yard games with 3 TD's.

The again should I expect more? The "experts" here had the Bills dubbed as a consensus 4-12 team with no chance whatsoever of winning 7 games.

Jared Ramsden
11-29-2004, 12:28 AM
Raiiiiders !!! :devil: :devil: :devil:

Chargers alone in first in the AFC West :eek:....if SD can beat Denver next week, that's a two game lead....gonna be a wicked game!!!:yo:

Son of Steinbrenner
11-29-2004, 12:55 AM
8-3 J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets

clefty
11-29-2004, 03:47 AM
I hate you Martin Gramatica.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 07:36 AM
Back when the thread was hot Willis had 3 straight 100 yard games with 3 TD's.
Which wasn't enough to compare him to Brown at the time.

BlackBirRd5
11-29-2004, 08:18 AM
Chargers alone in first in the AFC West :eek:....if SD can beat Denver next week, that's a two game lead....gonna be a wicked game!!!:yo:
They will... Chargers are on the up, and Done-ver is just that. Nobody can run on us and the Donkeys rely on the run. Reuben Droughns, meet Mssrs. Williams, Olshansky, Foley, Godrey, Edwards, etc. etc. - he's gonna be picking turf out of his helmet and getting back to the 3rd and long huddle all day! If they wanna throw on us they lose ball and clock control even if they are succesful and the only team that is gonna outscore San Diego is Indianopolis. If you give the ball to Brees and the boys enough times they will score 30, 40 plus on you and I can't see the Donkeys outscoring the Bolts.

Man, a 2 game cushion will feel good if it happens

37 -27 San Diego

Safir*
11-29-2004, 08:24 AM
Thanks You Carolina Panthers!!! :handclap:

Julius Peppers is playing almost like a god.

Take that Sucs. :lol:

Nick Goings seems to be a good replacement for Davis & Forster, arrghh gotta love it.

loveshack2
11-29-2004, 10:17 AM
What a horrible week for one of my fantasy teams. In this particular league we start three RB's. My starters this week Priest Holmes, Emmit Smith, Tyrone Wheatley. Combined for 2pts. ouch.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 10:39 AM
What a horrible week for one of my fantasy teams. In this particular league we start three RB's. My starters this week Priest Holmes, Emmit Smith, Tyrone Wheatley. Combined for 2pts. ouch.
Spare for Priest Holmes, you deserve a 2 point output when you start Smith and Wheatley. Ouch.

loveshack2
11-29-2004, 10:53 AM
Spare for Priest Holmes, you deserve a 2 point output when you start Smith and Wheatley. Ouch.
Emmit Smith has 650 rush yards and 8 TDs on the season.

Agree about Wheatley though, not much I could do. In a fair sized league where each team starts 3 backs it doesnt take long to get to the dregs.

MLH
11-29-2004, 02:18 PM
Which wasn't enough to compare him to Brown at the time.

I think we already had this discussion.

You were wrong then too.

Jared Ramsden
11-29-2004, 02:49 PM
They will... Chargers are on the up, and Done-ver is just that. Nobody can run on us and the Donkeys rely on the run. Reuben Droughns, meet Mssrs. Williams, Olshansky, Foley, Godrey, Edwards, etc. etc. - he's gonna be picking turf out of his helmet and getting back to the 3rd and long huddle all day! If they wanna throw on us they lose ball and clock control even if they are succesful and the only team that is gonna outscore San Diego is Indianopolis. If you give the ball to Brees and the boys enough times they will score 30, 40 plus on you and I can't see the Donkeys outscoring the Bolts.

Man, a 2 game cushion will feel good if it happens

37 -27 San Diego

SD plays Indy second last week of the season in Indianapolis I believe....that will be an absolute shoot-out :amazed:

Jared Ramsden
11-29-2004, 02:53 PM
Spare for Priest Holmes, you deserve a 2 point output when you start Smith and Wheatley. Ouch.

I might be able to top you....I started Barlow and Portis in one of my leagues....I don't even know if I got 2 points from them both. I desperately need Chris Brown back!!!

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 03:06 PM
You were wrong then too.
Or so you claim. It's quite obvious that the Bills and their fans settle for less. And rightfully so. Being a laughingstock of the league (both on the field and off) for the past 5 years isn't easy, but when 3 TD's and 3 consecutive 100 yard games is considered enough to base an entire argument around, then it's just an illustration of how out of touch Buffalo fans are.

We can get into semantics, and how McGahee ran for nothing spectacular in the first half and that his last 2 TD's were about as useless a pair of TD's that you can find. I guess if turnovers are the concern, then McGahee has been a saint, but quite frankly, who cares about ball control when you've been out of playoff competition since July. The Bills are playing small ball, and if they decide to open the offence up and give McGahee oppurtunities to be the feature player in that offence, then he might become as good or even better then Brown by the end of this season.

TVanek26*
11-29-2004, 03:16 PM
Hmm,remind you look at the standings buddy...Bills may suck but atleast they're not as bad as the Titans!

The Bills next 4 games are going to be fun...Miami,Cleveland,Cincy and San Fran...the Bills could be 9-6 with the season coming down to Pittsburgh on Jan 2nd...

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 03:16 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, meet your new starting quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals... John Navarre.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 03:26 PM
Hmm,remind you look at the standings buddy...Bills may suck but atleast they're not as bad as the Titans!
Bills fans have little right if any to belittle the Titans. Especially after Dyson, Wycheck, and Neal gave you guys some 3rd class plane tickets to Florida for some golf a few years ago. I guess it can be summed up by the Titans having a top-3 collective record since 1999... and the Bills being synomymous with feces.

TVanek26*
11-29-2004, 03:37 PM
Bills fans have little right if any to belittle the Titans. Especially after Dyson, Wycheck, and Neal gave you guys some 3rd class plane tickets to Florida for some golf a few years ago. I guess it can be summed up by the Titans having a top-3 collective record since 1999... and the Bills being synomymous with feces.

Let's remind you what today is...2004,not 1999 buddy.When you gotta go to the past that's pretty sad,why don't I go back to the 1960's when the Bills won back to back AFL championships... :shakehead

MLH
11-29-2004, 03:46 PM
Or so you claim. It's quite obvious that the Bills and their fans settle for less. And rightfully so. Being a laughingstock of the league (both on the field and off) for the past 5 years isn't easy, but when 3 TD's and 3 consecutive 100 yard games is considered enough to base an entire argument around, then it's just an illustration of how out of touch Buffalo fans are.

We can get into semantics, and how McGahee ran for nothing spectacular in the first half and that his last 2 TD's were about as useless a pair of TD's that you can find. I guess if turnovers are the concern, then McGahee has been a saint, but quite frankly, who cares about ball control when you've been out of playoff competition since July. The Bills are playing small ball, and if they decide to open the offence up and give McGahee oppurtunities to be the feature player in that offence, then he might become as good or even better then Brown by the end of this season.

No turnovers, 7 touchdowns, and a 5-2 record since he's been starter. A 5-2 record with 5 playoff opponents in those 7 games.

And we're not quite out of playoff contention yet, but thanks for your concern.

Come talk to me when you have anything to offer but an argument based on yards per carry. You're a boxscore fan, you were then and you are now.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 03:47 PM
Let's remind you what today is...2004,not 1999 buddy.When you gotta go to the past that's pretty sad,why don't I go back to the 1960's when the Bills won back to back AFL championships... :shakehead
Quite a difference between 1960 and 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003.

Simply put, the Bills suck, and have sucked for the past 5 years. The Titans, on the other hand, suck now, but dominated quite a few times in recent memory. And they certainly won't need 5 years to rebuild like the Bills did.

MLH
11-29-2004, 03:55 PM
Quite a difference between 1960 and 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003.

Simply put, the Bills suck, and have sucked for the past 5 years. The Titans, on the other hand, suck now, but dominated quite a few times in recent memory. And they certainly won't need 5 years to rebuild like the Bills did.

Sure, but does it make up the difference between winning and not winning?

I don't remember any Titan Super Bowls. The 60's Bills actually won. If you want to talk about losing Super Bowls you're going to have to find some other fans to argue with. We've got a pretty solid edge in that notorious category.

Wild Thing
11-29-2004, 03:55 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, meet your new starting quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals... John Navarre.

I think that would be a very serious mistake. Navarre only has a Wonderlic score of 24, as opposed to McCown's score of 30. I can't believe the Cards would be dumb enough to make such a move.

What's their GM's Wonderlic score, anyway?

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 03:56 PM
No turnovers, 7 touchdowns, and a 5-2 record since he's been starter. A 5-2 record with 5 playoff opponents in those 7 games.

And we're not quite out of playoff contention yet, but thanks for your concern.

Come talk to me when you have anything to offer but an argument based on yards per carry. You're a boxscore fan, you were then and you are now.
The Bills have absolutely no shot at the playoffs. If you say that they do, then I'm sorry but your word would lose what little validity it has.

McGahee is still pretty raw and unproven. And so is Brown for that matter. But right now Brown is the better back. I'm not saying that it isn't something that could change within the next 2-3 games, but as of now, Brown is better. So thanks for coming out.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 03:57 PM
I think that would be a very serious mistake. Navarre only has a Wonderlic score of 24, as opposed to McCown's score of 30. I can't believe the Cards would be dumb enough to make such a move.

What's their GM's Wonderlic score, anyway?
Denny Green missed the Wonderlic test, he was too busy hitting on a secretary.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 03:58 PM
Sure, but does it make up the difference between winning and not winning?

I don't remember any Titan Super Bowls. The 60's Bills actually won. If you want to talk about losing Super Bowls you're going to have to find some other fans to argue with. We've got a pretty solid edge in that notorious category.
So with that logic only one team per year is any good. 1960's was a completely different time with a completely different game of football so it proves little as to the proficiency of the Bills in the modern football era.

MLH
11-29-2004, 04:12 PM
The Bills have absolutely no shot at the playoffs. If you say that they do, then I'm sorry but your word would lose what little validity it has.


Buffalo Bills
W- @ Miami
W- Cleveland
W- @ Cincinnati
W- @ San Francisco
W- Pittsburgh

New York Jets
L- Houston
L- @ Pittsburgh
W- Seattle
L- New England
W- @ St. Louis

*Losses to Seattle and St. Louis can be traded for win against Houston*

Denver Broncos
L- @ San Diego
W- Miami
L- @ Kansas City
W- @ Tennesee
L- Indianapolis

*Any loss can be traded for any win, a total of 3 losses is needed*

If only one of those two scenarios comes true, then the other can be replaced by this.
Baltimore Ravens

L- Cincinnati
W- New York Giants
L- @ Indianapolis
L- @ Pittsburgh
W- Miami

*The loss to Cincinnati can be replaced by a loss to either the Giants or Dolphins*




Likely? No. A shot? Yes.

And I thought I lost all validity when I said it was (gasp) possible for the Bills to win 7 games this year in this thread (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=108709).

Some gems comprable to your statement of impossibility:

"SO at very best, I see them finishing 4-12...and thats best case scenario. There's a real possibility of 2-14 or even 1-15."

"You are getting pretty hopeful there but I guess anything can happen. I am with Chaos though and I am thinking somewhere in the 2-4 range for wins."

"Even if they bat 50/50 against the more evenly matched opponents (Miami, Steelers, Bengals, Browns, Cards, Ravens, Niners), that is still a 4-12 finish."

TVanek26*
11-29-2004, 04:14 PM
The Bills have absolutely no shot at the playoffs. If you say that they do, then I'm sorry but your word would lose what little validity it has.

.

Hmm,the next 4 games are against such juggernauts as the Miami Dolphins,Cleveland Browns,Cincinatti Bengals and the elite San Fransisco 49'ers...and the season finale is against the Steelers who may already have home field locked up by then...

Bills have a chance albeit slim one.More then the Titans do though,so please enjoy a tall glass of ****.

Wild Thing
11-29-2004, 04:17 PM
Denny Green missed the Wonderlic test, he was too busy hitting on a secretary.

Green's the GM down there, too? Holy potatoes. He couldn't finish the Wonderlic test even if he did take it. He'd probably spend the whole 20 minutes making sure the first problem wasn't some sort of trick question - you know, the part at the top of the page where it says, "Name _____________________________".

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 04:39 PM
Hmm,the next 4 games are against such juggernauts as the Miami Dolphins,Cleveland Browns,Cincinatti Bengals and the elite San Fransisco 49'ers...and the season finale is against the Steelers who may already have home field locked up by then...

Bills have a chance albeit slim one.More then the Titans do though,so please enjoy a tall glass of ****.
I'm sorry to tell you but the Bills are in the same catagory as the Bengals and Browns. Those games are toss-ups. Miami and the 49'ers are abysmal but so is the Buffalo offence if Bledsoe doesn't get them a lead early on. So while you have all December to watch high-school level football and actually care about it, I'll be catching up on some college football to see who Tennessee could pick with a top-5/10 selection in the draft...

And if you think Cowher is the type of coach that would lay down just because of the upcoming playoffs, then you have another thing coming.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 04:42 PM
Green's the GM down there, too? Holy potatoes. He couldn't finish the Wonderlic test even if he did take it. He'd probably spend the whole 20 minutes making sure the first problem wasn't some sort of trick question - you know, the part at the top of the page where it says, "Name _____________________________".
No, he's not the GM, but he has a lot of say.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 04:49 PM
Ah, the Bills homers are out in full again.

It's this simple people: the Bills have to win out to have a chance at the playoffs. They have done nothing all season to indicate that they can win 5 straight, let alone the 7 straight it will actually take (having won two in a row already, the grand total will be 7 straight). And the worst part about it for Bills fans is that as long as they're in it and Bledsoe doesn't blow the game, Losman won't be getting more than mop up time. So in addition to the pipe dream of the playoffs, as long as the team keeps winning your potential future QB will see limited playing time.

MLH
11-29-2004, 04:53 PM
Ah, the Bills homers are out in full again.

It's this simple people: the Bills have to win out to have a chance at the playoffs. They have done nothing all season to indicate that they can win 5 straight, let alone the 7 straight it will actually take (having won two in a row already, the grand total will be 7 straight). And the worst part about it for Bills fans is that as long as they're in it and Bledsoe doesn't blow the game, Losman won't be getting more than mop up time.

Out again? I think I came out to say we were going to turn it around when we were 0-4 and I was right.

Done nothing to indicate we can win 5 straight? Going 5-2 against a difficult schedule isn't bad. Look at the 5 straight we have to win, very doable.

The two wins against STL and SEA dont make it any more difficult for the Bills to win 5 straight. Sunk costs.

Plus Troy Vincent's back soon. I never said we would do it, merely disagreed with the notion that we "had absolutly no shot".

Vic Rattlehead*
11-29-2004, 05:05 PM
Stupid Bills. They're supposed to be crappy so Dallas get's a high pick! :mad:
Stupid Dallas trading with the wrong team. :banghead:

Herby
11-29-2004, 05:37 PM
It's gonna be an interesting week in my household.

I am a Chargers fan and my wife loves the Broncos, we are going to the game on Sunday in San Diego. The Chargers are a game up on Denver and can take a stranglehold of the division with a win on Sunday, however if Denver wins they overtake 1st based on tiebreaker.

For the first time since we've been together the Chargers actually have a good team, so its extra cool for me. Hopefully the Bolts can shutdown Droughns and the donkeys on Sunday.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 05:46 PM
Out again? I think I came out to say we were going to turn it around when we were 0-4 and I was right.Out on the overrate the Bills bandwagon once again.

Done nothing to indicate we can win 5 straight? Going 5-2 against a difficult schedule isn't bad. Look at the 5 straight we have to win, very doable.Yes, that's right. Bledsoe threw three picks in a blowout. Does that fill you with confidence that he can play well enough to win 5 straight games? He hasn't won 3 straight in two years.

The two wins against STL and SEA dont make it any more difficult for the Bills to win 5 straight. Sunk costs.Yeah, it does. If I'm an hour into a marathon, I only have about 3 hours to go. Maybe I can run for 3 hours pretty well. But since I'm an hour into it, whether I can finish it or not is up in the air. In order for the Bills to win 5 in a row, they'll have to do it in the context of winning 7 in a row.

Plus Troy Vincent's back soon. I never said we would do it, merely disagreed with the notion that we "had absolutly no shot".Troy Vincent isn't going to help Bledsoe not blow a game. The Bills have no shot. They have to go 5-0 the rest of the way, and they're not going to. Sorry, but that's no shot.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 05:49 PM
Out on the overrate the Bills bandwagon once again.

Yes, that's right. Bledsoe threw three picks in a blowout. Does that fill you with confidence that he can play well enough to win 5 straight games? He hasn't won 3 straight in two years.

Yeah, it does. If I'm an hour into a marathon, I only have about 3 hours to go. Maybe I can run for 3 hours pretty well. But since I'm an hour into it, whether I can finish it or not is up in the air. In order for the Bills to win 5 in a row, they'll have to do it in the context of winning 7 in a row.

Troy Vincent isn't going to help Bledsoe not blow a game. The Bills have no shot. They have to go 5-0 the rest of the way, and they're not going to. Sorry, but that's no shot. But wait... You fail to mention McGahee in your assessment of the Bills and their playoff hopes, or lack thereof. :rolleyes:

MLH
11-29-2004, 06:01 PM
Out on the overrate the Bills bandwagon once again.

This board had the Bills a conesensus "best case scenario" 4-12 team. That's overrated?

Yes, that's right. Bledsoe threw three picks in a blowout. Does that fill you with confidence that he can play well enough to win 5 straight games? He hasn't won 3 straight in two years.

He just beat the Rams and Seahawks by a combined 46 points. That gives me confidence they can beat Miami, San Fran, Cleveland, etc.

Yeah, it does. If I'm an hour into a marathon, I only have about 3 hours to go. Maybe I can run for 3 hours pretty well. But since I'm an hour into it, whether I can finish it or not is up in the air. In order for the Bills to win 5 in a row, they'll have to do it in the context of winning 7 in a row.

So if the Bills have to run any long distance races I'll take that into account. There's a week between games. Mentally maybe, but when you need to win out no games will be taken for granted. The past wins are sunk costs. The fact that the Bills crushed Seattle doesn't make it harder for them to beat Miami.

And 83's right, McGahee will take some of the pressure of Bledsoe.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 06:01 PM
But wait... You fail to mention McGahee in your assessment of the Bills and their playoff hopes, or lack thereof. :rolleyes:
I didn't mention anyone in particular except Bledsoe. (I know you're not being totally serious). They're just not good enough. Simple as that.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 06:14 PM
This board had the Bills a conesensus "best case scenario" 4-12 team. That's overrated?I guess you weren't here last season. I speak not only of this year, but from year to year.


He just beat the Rams and Seahawks by a combined 46 points. That gives me confidence they can beat Miami, San Fran, Cleveland, etc.And turned the ball over 4 times. I could have sworn it was the 4 TDs by McGahee that beat the Seahawks...

So if the Bills have to run any long distance races I'll take that into account. There's a week between games. Mentally maybe, but when you need to win out no games will be taken for granted. The past wins are sunk costs. The fact that the Bills crushed Seattle doesn't make it harder for them to beat Miami.Past wins in the current season aren't sunk costs. How else do you evaluate a team if you can't look at how they played earlier in the year? The Bills can not and will not win 5 in a row. I'll say it again... Nothing they have done all year indicates that they can.

And 83's right, McGahee will take some of the pressure of Bledsoe.When did I say anything to the contrary?

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 06:31 PM
And 83's right, McGahee will take some of the pressure of Bledsoe.

When Tied:
Rushes- 29
Yards- 100
YPC- 3.4
TD's- 2

When Behind
Rushes- 49
Yards- 169
YPC- 3.4
TD's- 0

So McGahee has proven himself as a closer. Not a doubt in my mind. And that's a great quality in a back. But for the other 40 minutes of the game, it's all up to Bledsoe, and in my opinion Bledsoe doesn't have it in him to win out.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 06:55 PM
When Tied:
Rushes- 29
Yards- 100
YPC- 3.4
TD's- 2

When Behind
Rushes- 49
Yards- 169
YPC- 3.4
TD's- 0

So McGahee has proven himself as a closer. Not a doubt in my mind. And that's a great quality in a back. But for the other 40 minutes of the game, it's all up to Bledsoe, and in my opinion Bledsoe doesn't have it in him to win out.
Exactly. Bledsoe's splits are terrible. When leading: 75.5 rating, 3 TD, 3 INT, 3 sacks. When behind: 60.5 rating, 5 TD, 9 INT, 17 sacks. That doesn't exude confidence.

TVanek26*
11-29-2004, 07:04 PM
Well we'll see what happens...though it doesn't surprise me who the 2 people are that don't give the Bills any credit at all.:rolleyes:

MLH
11-29-2004, 07:04 PM
So what you're saying is that since McGahee came in the Bills haven't been tied or trailing that much.

They've been mostly winning. It won't stop.

TVanek26*
11-29-2004, 07:07 PM
So what you're saying is that since McGahee came in the Bills haven't been tied or trailing that much.

They've been mostly winning. It won't stop.

Don't bother arguing.Even though McGahee is 5-1 as a starter,he is still an average RB and the Bills have no shot at winning out :shakehead

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 07:11 PM
So what you're saying is that since McGahee came in the Bills haven't been tied or trailing that much.

They've been mostly winning. It won't stop.
Or... most normal people would see it as an indicator that Willis isn't the way that the Bills get their lead. In effect, if the Bills go down by a score or more, then McGahee is practically on the sidelines cheerleading for Bledsoe to toss it up play after play.

MLH
11-29-2004, 07:14 PM
Or... most normal people would see it as an indicator that Willis isn't the way that the Bills get their lead. In effect, if the Bills go down by a score or more, then McGahee is practically on the sidelines cheerleading for Bledsoe to toss it up play after play.

So you mean to tell me teams throw more when losing? Wow!

Watch a Bills game then comment.

PreWillis: 0-4
PostWillis: 5-2 (5 playoff teams)

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 07:24 PM
So you mean to tell me teams throw more when losing? Wow!

Watch a Bills game then comment.

PreWillis: 0-4
PostWillis: 5-2 (5 playoff teams)
And tied?

MLH
11-29-2004, 07:30 PM
And tied?

Because the Bills have been so good since Willis has come into the starting lineup he's only had 29 carries in tied situations. 2 of those 29 carries have been for TD's and therefore taking the lead. However, your symbolic lamp post (YPC) is slightly below average so please disregard wins, afterall they're really not important.

Dr. Love is telling me that Bledsoe was terrible yesterday, yet you're telling me that McGahee was average outside of some late TD's.

So why the huge win? Great coaching? Dominant defense? The best special teams in the league? An improving offensive line? All of the above?

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 07:37 PM
Well we'll see what happens...though it doesn't surprise me who the 2 people are that don't give the Bills any credit at all.:rolleyes:
This, from the biggest Buffalo homer on the board. Maybe we just don't have the rose colored glasses on, ever consider that?

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 07:38 PM
Dr. Love is telling me that Bledsoe was terrible yesterday, yet you're telling me that McGahee was average outside of some late TD's.
Are you saying that Bledsoe played well? You're satisfied that he threw three picks?

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 07:41 PM
Because the Bills have been so good since Willis has come into the starting lineup he's only had 29 carries in tied situations. 2 of those 29 carries have been for TD's and therefore taking the lead. However, your symbolic lamp post (YPC) is slightly below average so please disregard wins, afterall they're really not important.

Dr. Love is telling me that Bledsoe was terrible yesterday, yet you're telling me that McGahee was average outside of some late TD's.

So why the huge win? Great coaching? Dominant defense? The best special teams in the league? An improving offensive line? All of the above?
And people wonder why Bill fans are often considered the Barry Bonds of homer contests.

Similar attitude now then a few years ago when Bledsoe was aquired. We saw how that worked out. And how about last season... When Mr. Milloy was brought in and the Bills beat the Patriots 31-0 and topped the Jags 38-17, there were quite a few fans already getting fitted for replica 2003 SB rings. But we also saw how that ended up in the long run.

Keep blowing that balloon up... only so that it explodes it your face like it always has.

And in that post you prove a point of mine... That McGahee isn't the reason the Bills are winning. He's one of them... Especially since he's been lights out with the lead in the 4th quarter. But the defence doesn't get the credit from you guys that I gave it in the initial McGahee thread. Special Teams has also been dominant and is a large reason for a couple of Bill victories. But alas, it's like preaching to the converted.

MLH
11-29-2004, 07:42 PM
Are you saying that Bledsoe played well? You're satisfied that he threw three picks?

I'm not saying anything yet. I just want to get it straight first. So under the assumption that Bledsoe is terrible and McGahee is average at best, I'll ask again: So why the huge wins? Great coaching? Dominant defense? The best special teams in the league? An improving offensive line? All of the above?

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 07:46 PM
I'm not saying anything yet. I just want to get it straight first. So under the assumption that Bledsoe is terrible and McGahee is average at best, I'll ask again: So why the huge wins? Great coaching? Dominant defense? The best special teams in the league? An improving offensive line? All of the above?
Well now you're putting words into my mouth. I never said that McGahee was 'average at best.' After his first three starts I said he was rushing at an average rate, and that to put him on a pedestal was unwarranted at the time. I did not say he was average at best. Maybe somebody else did, but it wasn't me. With each start, he is earning that pedestal. McGahee, along with the defense which has been great all season--arguably the best, and the usual fantastic showing by special teams, won the game for the Bills yesterday. Bledsoe was fortunate that his turnovers didn't kill the Bills, as they usually do. Next time he might not be so lucky.

MLH
11-29-2004, 07:47 PM
And people wonder why Bill fans are often considered the Barry Bonds of homer contests.

Similar attitude now then a few years ago when Bledsoe was aquired. We saw how that worked out. And how about last season... When Mr. Milloy was brought in and the Bills beat the Patriots 31-0 and topped the Jags 38-17, there were quite a few fans already getting fitted for replica 2003 SB rings. But we also saw how that ended up in the long run.

Well, I didn't.

And in that post you prove a point of mine... That McGahee isn't the reason the Bills are winning. He's one of them... Especially since he's been lights out with the lead in the 4th quarter. But the defence doesn't get the credit from you guys that I gave it in the initial McGahee thread. Special Teams has also been dominant and is a large reason for a couple of Bill victories. But alas, it's like preaching to the converted.

So you concede dominant defense and special teams and McGahee "contributing" to the winning. Combine that with an all-world receiver in Moulds, great coaching, the emergence of Evans, vast improvements to the O-line, increasing confidence, and an easy schedule and you'd think winning out is in the realm of possibility.

But alas, it's like preaching to the blinded.

MLH
11-29-2004, 07:52 PM
Well now you're putting words into my mouth. I never said that McGahee was 'average at best.' After his first three starts I said he was rushing at an average rate, and that to put him on a pedestal was unwarranted at the time. I did not say he was average at best. Maybe somebody else did, but it wasn't me. With each start, he is earning that pedestal. McGahee, along with the defense which has been great all season--arguably the best, and the usual fantastic showing by special teams, won the game for the Bills yesterday. Bledsoe was fortunate that his turnovers didn't kill the Bills, as they usually do. Next time he might not be so lucky.

The special teams was great yesterday as usual. They didn't however "win" the game for the Bills. Solid coverage, solid returns, and an onside kick recovery (credit coaching) are all awesome, but that alone doesn't give a team a 35 point lead. One of our best special teams weapons didn't even make a first half appearance.

Bledsoe was very good excluding three passes. Obviously, that can't continue. However, the Seahawks do have the most INT's in the NFL.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 07:53 PM
The special teams was great yesterday as usual. They didn't however "win" the game for the Bills. Solid coverage, solid returns, and an onside kick recovery (credit coaching) are all awesome, but that alone doesn't give a team a 35 point lead. One of our best special teams weapons didn't even make a first half appearance.

Bledsoe was very good excluding three passes. Obviously, that can't continue. However, the Seahawks do have the most INT's in the NFL.
Once again you put words into my mouth. I didn't say that they won the game for the Bills, I said they contributed to the Bills winning.

MontrealCruiser_83*
11-29-2004, 08:00 PM
Well, I didn't.
Not saying you did... But you I think you can agree with me that the bandwagon was full by week two (2003) and that people were lunging to get on... at which point the wheels not only fell off, but dissappeared.


So you concede dominant defense and special teams and McGahee "contributing" to the winning. Combine that with an all-world receiver in Moulds, great coaching, the emergence of Evans, vast improvements to the O-line, increasing confidence, and an easy schedule and you'd think winning out is in the realm of possibility.

But alas, it's like preaching to the blinded.
Woah... All-World in Moulds? A few years ago I would of argued that he was a top-5 maybe even top-3 WR in the league. But stick a fork in him he's done (done as in no longer a top-5/10 mention). He won't make the pro-bowl let alone anything more.

I'm just under the impression that the Bills had a certain level of luck with their recent victories and that it probably won't keep up for the remaining 5. Bledsoe has dropped off the past little while and I wouldn't be comfortable as a Bills fan with him at the helm of the passing game, no dominant run game, and only a top defensive unit preventing a very ugly turnout.

MLH
11-29-2004, 08:03 PM
Once again you put words into my mouth. I didn't say that they won the game for the Bills, I said they contributed to the Bills winning.

Sorry, missed the comma.

Point being, you conceded a dominant defense, dominant special teams, and a great running back. How about Moulds? Is he any good? Evans? Progression of the O-line?

Miami, San Fran, Cleveland, and Cincy aren't exactly the NFL's best. Pittsburgh could very well be resting their players and there's no such thing as an impossible game at the Ralph in January.

I think they're going to go 4-1. However, to say there's no shot at winning out is asinine.

Dr Love
11-29-2004, 08:06 PM
Sorry, missed the comma.

Point being, you conceded a dominant defense, dominant special teams, and a great running back. How about Moulds? Is he any good? Evans? Progression of the O-line?
Moulds is good. Evans had a big game but hasn't been all that.

Miami, San Fran, Cleveland, and Cincy aren't exactly the NFL's best. Pittsburgh could very well be resting their players and there's no such thing as an impossible game at the Ralph in January.
Cleveland has played tough at home all year (although the Bills are at home for that game), Cinncy isn't one to take lightly, their defense until yesterday had been playing better and their offense is good.

I think they're going to go 4-1. However, to say there's no shot at winning out is asinine.
I'll say it again. No shot. There is no way they win all 5 games. You can take that to the bank.

MLH
11-29-2004, 08:13 PM
Cleveland has played tough at home all year (although the Bills are at home for that game)

They've lost 5 straight, and haven't won on the road all year. The Bills have won 4 straight at home. They gave up 58 points yesterday. The Bills *should* win that game.

Cinncy isn't one to take lightly, their defense until yesterday had been playing better and their offense is good.

No game should be taken lightly when you need to win out.

Mathletic
11-29-2004, 11:01 PM
strong game so far by Ahmad Carroll

at the beginning of the season he looked so so, but now he looks a lot better. He just made a nice INT against Bruce

Tuggy
11-29-2004, 11:58 PM
Why the hell would St.Louis punt?

Tuggy
11-30-2004, 12:11 AM
:joker: Stupid Rams.

Wild Thing
11-30-2004, 12:45 AM
I don't think I've ever seen a team tear off over 450 yards passing and still get blown out that badly. Very strange game.

JCD
11-30-2004, 10:44 AM
This board had the Bills a conesensus "best case scenario" 4-12 team. That's overrated?

Consensus? I don't think so. I had the Bills pegged for a 5-11 to 7-9 season. They look to be a bit better than that, but lets see how the last 5 games play out. They could go 1-4 just as well as 4-1 or anything inbetween. Sweeping out (either way) seems quite unlikely.

Bills are a bad to mediocre team in the same class as the Browns. Nothing about them indicates they have the ability to win out.

Alas, this is like preaching to the blind.

Ronnie Bass
11-30-2004, 11:12 AM
I don't think I've ever seen a team tear off over 450 yards passing and still get blown out that badly. Very strange game.
Ahhh WT, you have obviously never been a Dolphin fan in the mid to late 80's.

:banghead:

Marino's best years were totally wasted on those defenseless teams.

MLH
11-30-2004, 12:05 PM
Consensus? I don't think so. I had the Bills pegged for a 5-11 to 7-9 season. They look to be a bit better than that, but lets see how the last 5 games play out. They could go 1-4 just as well as 4-1 or anything inbetween. Sweeping out (either way) seems quite unlikely.

"Even if they bat 50/50 against the more evenly matched opponents (Miami, Steelers, Bengals, Browns, Cards, Ravens, Niners), that is still a 4-12 finish. If luck favors them, they may sneak into the top-10 instead of the top-5."

"THIS YEAR with THIS TEAM, the Bills are a 4-6 win team. That is a top-5 to top-10 pick."

"What do you want to bet that the Bills don't hit 7 wins?"

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=108709

JCD
11-30-2004, 12:29 PM
"Even if they bat 50/50 against the more evenly matched opponents (Miami, Steelers, Bengals, Browns, Cards, Ravens, Niners), that is still a 4-12 finish. If luck favors them, they may sneak into the top-10 instead of the top-5."

"THIS YEAR with THIS TEAM, the Bills are a 4-6 win team. That is a top-5 to top-10 pick."

"What do you want to bet that the Bills don't hit 7 wins?"

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=108709

I forgot about that thread. At the start of the season, I pegged them for 5-7 wins. I saved those picks on my harddrive, so don't have a link. Just search for any of the pre-season predicitons threads.

Dr Love
11-30-2004, 12:39 PM
I forgot about that thread. At the start of the season, I pegged them for 5-7 wins. I saved those picks on my harddrive, so don't have a link. Just search for any of the pre-season predicitons threads.Abracadabra (that's how I took all my tests in high school)!

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=1846393&postcount=2 (http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=1846393&postcount=2)

You're welcome. ;)

MLH
11-30-2004, 12:39 PM
I forgot about that thread. At the start of the season, I pegged them for 5-7 wins. I saved those picks on my harddrive, so don't have a link. Just search for any of the pre-season predicitons threads.

I believe you. You just sing a different tune as the weeks progress. Hopefully, you'll be singing a different tune in a couple of weeks too.

JCD
11-30-2004, 01:24 PM
I believe you. You just sing a different tune as the weeks progress. Hopefully, you'll be singing a different tune in a couple of weeks too.

Wow. My prediction changed a whole ONE WIN two months later after they started the year 0-4. Pure craziness, I know. That isn't a different tune, that is just a different key.

If the Bills win five strait, I will change my tune. It's called admitting when you are wrong. Right now, Bills still are within the win range I pegged for them 4-or-so months ago.

MLH
11-30-2004, 04:24 PM
If the Bills win five strait, I will change my tune. It's called admitting when you are wrong.

You're going to have to do that if the Bills win 2 out of 5.

Wild Thing
11-30-2004, 04:26 PM
Ahhh WT, you have obviously never been a Dolphin fan in the mid to late 80's.

:banghead:

Marino's best years were totally wasted on those defenseless teams.

Good point. Yeah, I used to love the Fins back in the 80s. They were easily my second favorite team behind my hometown Packers, and Marino is my all-time second favorite quarterback. Monday Night Football, Miami versus whoever, a cold 12-pack of Pabst in the fridge = perfect evening. I don't think there's a single retired athlete I miss more than Marino, including Gretzky.

JCD
11-30-2004, 04:29 PM
You're going to have to do that if the Bills win 2 out of 5.

So will you if they don't.

I will admit, the schedule is in your favor. While three games are on the road, they are against San Fran, Miami and Cincinatti. Bengals are the only decent opponent.

MLH
11-30-2004, 09:09 PM
So will you if they don't.

I will admit, the schedule is in your favor. While three games are on the road, they are against San Fran, Miami and Cincinatti. Bengals are the only decent opponent.

It will take a huge choke job for me to lose that bet.

And it's not like the Bills ever choke.

Ronnie Bass
11-30-2004, 10:00 PM
Good point. Yeah, I used to love the Fins back in the 80s. They were easily my second favorite team behind my hometown Packers, and Marino is my all-time second favorite quarterback. Monday Night Football, Miami versus whoever, a cold 12-pack of Pabst in the fridge = perfect evening. I don't think there's a single retired athlete I miss more than Marino, including Gretzky.

I still remember Danny Boy throwing six touchdown passes and the Dolphins still lost, I mean how the **** does that happened??

And do you remember that 1985 Monday night game against the then undefeated Bears (12-0)? In the previous three games before this one the Bears defense had given up just a FG, well we exploded for 31 first half points as they easily chased away any dreams the Bears might have had for a perfect season. Also by coincedence the Dolphins had planned on honoring the 1972-73 perfect team WAY before the season even began, so they were all on hand that night. And what a night it was too.

Sorry for reminiscing, but it's all I have got left after how this season is going. :banghead: