NHL Teams Sharing AHL teams??

I was looking at TSN and I saw that the Aeros are affilliated with the Wild and Stars, and Lowell Lock Monsters are affilliated with the Canes and Flames(Hehe rymes)...does that put them at big disadvatages when they are developing there players? So half the roster belong to the Wild and half the stars in he Aeros case? I just dont understand how this is very fair. If someone can explain it that would be great.

I was looking at TSN and I saw that the Aeros are affilliated with the Wild and Stars, and Lowell Lock Monsters are affilliated with the Canes and Flames(Hehe rymes)...does that put them at big disadvatages when they are developing there players? So half the roster belong to the Wild and half the stars in he Aeros case? I just dont understand how this is very fair. If someone can explain it that would be great.

Hey to break the bad news to you but Canes and Flames DO NOT ryme.

I was looking at TSN and I saw that the Aeros are affilliated with the Wild and Stars, and Lowell Lock Monsters are affilliated with the Canes and Flames(Hehe rymes)...does that put them at big disadvatages when they are developing there players? So half the roster belong to the Wild and half the stars in he Aeros case? I just dont understand how this is very fair. If someone can explain it that would be great.

Well, the Bulldogs have four player of the Stars in their team and it's not really good for the Montreal prospects. Yann Danis(the top G prospect of the Habs) is way bettre then Ellis(top G for the Stars) this season and his playing time was cut. If he get the shutout one night, Dan Ellis will play the next game. It's not really fair :shakehead

Well, the Bulldogs have four player of the Stars in their team and it's not really good for the Montreal prospects. Yann Danis(the top G prospect of the Habs) is way bettre then Ellis(top G for the Stars) this season and his playing time was cut. If he get the shutout one night, Dan Ellis will play the next game. It's not really fair :shakehead
The Bulldogs actually have 6 Dallas players, 1 injured (Miettinen), 5 in the lineup (Ellis, Jancevski, Daley, Ott, Morgan).
It's true Danis was way better in the beginning of the season but in the last 10 games you could of had either guy in net and the result would have been the same. Danis has tailed off some and Ellis has definintely improved.

Hey to break the bad news to you but Canes and Flames DO NOT ryme.

I don't know if Flyline4life has graduated High School ... rhymes is the word I believe he was looking for or 4 ... hehe

Wild I think have just 4 or 5 left on their roster from the Stars.

Marius Holtet was just sent down along with Dan Bararuk...Holtet might be called back up. They have Patrick Traverse, John Erskine (who's, I think is to beat the crap out of anyone else), Mike Smith (can we please get a goaltender?), and Junior Lessard.

Not much of a disadvantage...but not much of an advantage.

Doesn't Hershey share Colorado and TB prospects?

I can see a second high minor league created soon (kind of like how baseball has the IL and the PCL for AAA prospects). Maybe a more restrictive CBA will give teams even more incentive to spend a lot of money developing prospects and create a waive of expansion in the minor leagues.

Dallas prospects go to Des Moines when they start up; it's not a long term situation. I don't think it's going to have much effect on anyone's development.

I never really understood this, either.

I would think, especially at the AHL level, that it would benefit an organization to have all it's prospects playing together and developing a chemistry with one another.

What are the advantages of splitting an affiliate with another organization, other than saving money?

The Bulldogs actually have 6 Dallas players, 1 injured (Miettinen), 5 in the lineup (Ellis, Jancevski, Daley, Ott, Morgan).
It's true Danis was way better in the beginning of the season but in the last 10 games you could of had either guy in net and the result would have been the same. Danis has tailed off some and Ellis has definintely improved.

Yes, the original agreement was 6 players. Morgan isn't one of them, Montreal signed him as a FA before the lockout. So, there is either only 5, or we are missing someone...(not to nitpick or anything)

Yes, the original agreement was 6 players. Morgan isn't one of them, Montreal signed him as a FA before the lockout. So, there is either only 5, or we are missing someone...(not to nitpick or anything)
No worries, thanks for explaining. I'm still a little confused because the Bulldogs website lists only Ellis, Ott and Daley as Dallas prospects. This list doesn't have Miettinen listed but it does have Jancevski without a astriks, is it possible Montreal signed Jancevski too?

BTW, I love your Leaf jersey "losers since 67". I've always said I would never own a Leaf jersey even if someone gave it to me, but you've changed my mind. If I ever end up with a Leaf jersey I now know what I would do to it. :handclap:

This situation shouldn't be a problem next year because the AHL is expanding by 2 teams to 30 for next year. The Stars wil have a farm team in (Des Moines) Iowa and the Flamers will have theirs in Omaha. Additionally, the Blues are moving their team from Springfield, MA to Peoria IL (displacing the ECHL Peoria Rivermen) and the Leafs are moving from St.John's to Toronto, ending the AHL's Atlantic Canada tradition.

Doesn't Hershey share Colorado and TB prospects?

I can see a second high minor league created soon (kind of like how baseball has the IL and the PCL for AAA prospects). Maybe a more restrictive CBA will give teams even more incentive to spend a lot of money developing prospects and create a waive of expansion in the minor leagues.

I would highly doubt it, the the AHL swallowing up the IHL, and with a new team slated for Omaha next year, that gives the AHL 29 teams, and 28 of the 30 NHL teams will have their own franchise.

Doesn't Hershey share Colorado and TB prospects?

I can see a second high minor league created soon (kind of like how baseball has the IL and the PCL for AAA prospects). Maybe a more restrictive CBA will give teams even more incentive to spend a lot of money developing prospects and create a waive of expansion in the minor leagues.

Used to. Hershey is now exclusively Colorado and Tampa Bay sends their players to Springfield.

Personally instead of two AAA leagues I'd rather a 30-30-30 NHL-AHL-ECHL set up.

Keep in mind not all NHL clubs are on the same planet in prospects development...

Some are bottom teams since a few years while others are best teams in the league. Totally different drafting position will often also mean different prospect pool. Also a team can have good depth while another might have high end prospects but no depth.

Affiliation is sometimes need if an nhl club want their high youngs stars to grow in a winning situation as an example.

No worries, thanks for explaining. I'm still a little confused because the Bulldogs website lists only Ellis, Ott and Daley as Dallas prospects. This list doesn't have Miettinen listed but it does have Jancevski without a astriks, is it possible Montreal signed Jancevski too?



Jancevski was a RFA and Hamilton signed him. So he's not on loan from Dallas but they own his NHL rights.

Additionally, the Blues are moving their team from Springfield, MA to Peoria IL (displacing the ECHL Peoria Rivermen).
Actually, the Blues are movin their affiliate in Worchester to Peoria. Springfield is Tampa's and formerly Phoenix's.

Personally instead of two AAA leagues I'd rather a 30-30-30 NHL-AHL-ECHL set up. I'd rather see a conglomeration of the ECHL's, CHL's, and UHL's top 60 teams into one league with an east/west conference format. Neither conference plays the other during the regular season to reduce travel costs, but all NHL teams field two seperate teams, one in each conference. But that might just me gettin tired of the arguement of which one of the three leagues plays the best hockey (which is the ECHL imo, if goin on player upward movement alone). There is now the SPHL, which is akin to single A baseball, that has affiliations or working agreements with a few different teams in the ECHL and UHL.

Mike Smith (can we please get a goaltender?)

Dont have anyone else to send ;)

How deep are most teams organizations. From what I've found for TB they usually stock 1 AHL team and have a few players left over sent down to ECHL. I remember some limit to # under contract. IF a cap comes about and parity at the NHL level is the result, the minor leagues could make an interesting difference. Should the CBA dictate a certain amount of minor leaguers that MUST be under contract? I like how the AHL will soon have 30 teams, all 1:1 with NHL teams. I'd like to see stable relationships, maybe the taking of the NHL nickname. That could extend the NHL reach to gaining fans in 30 more markets. In some great markets like Toronto I like the idea of playing the AHL team in the same market or nearby. I'm not sure what I want for the ECHL though another 1:1 set of relationships sound good. It depends how deep organizations do and should go. I don't know much about the other minor leagues. But I'd like to see more cooperation and more stable cooperation. Maybe some of this could benefit the players and could be negotiated in return for what I think is the inevitable cap.