I need a new stick

luke34e
12-11-2004, 06:25 PM
I have been using a vector v110 for over a eyar now and its getting beat up. I have plenty of money and I'm ready to buy a new 1 piece. I have thought over a lot of them and I am open to ehar anyones opinion. What stick should I buy?

IkeaMonkey*
12-11-2004, 06:42 PM
M-1
L-2
M-2 shaft
Bauer XX

Cant go wrong.

PockIsGoD
12-11-2004, 07:00 PM
I'll go with the Vector again, if you liked it, then don't change. But you could ''Upgrade'' to a V-120. The main difference is the grip offered on the V-120.

PanthersRule96
12-11-2004, 07:42 PM
I have been using a vector v110 for over a eyar now and its getting beat up. I have plenty of money and I'm ready to buy a new 1 piece. I have thought over a lot of them and I am open to ehar anyones opinion. What stick should I buy?
I strongly dislike the Mission M-1. I used one and I absolutely hated it.

I recommend the Bauer Vapor XX or XXX when it comes out the 15th, ESPECIALLY if you're a finesse player. Bauer Vapor XX is the best one piece stick yet.

Whatever you do, don't buy a stealth. I bought one and broke it and I don't shoot particularly hard, sent it back and used my old Vapor XX that I had before. Broke the XX and bought a new one and it's great.

Habfansincebirth
12-11-2004, 08:11 PM
The Easton Stealth is the lightest, best performing and most expensive stick on the market. The only true one piece. The first batches produced had some problems with breaking at the top of the shaft and near the blade. (not uncommon with new technology.) The problems were recognised and fixed, so that new batches are much more durable.

I like the original Synergy (Silver), overall a great stick. You can also get the Grip or Si core versions, But I like the regular model best.

If you want value, try the Synthesis 2 piece. It performs like a Synergy, but if it breaks, you just have to replace the broken part.

I am biased towards Easton product, because they are the best made.

bleedgreen
12-11-2004, 08:35 PM
The only true one piece.
I am biased towards Easton product, because they are the best made.
innovative makes a true one piece and have for over 2 years.

PanthersRule96
12-11-2004, 09:34 PM
The Easton Stealth is the lightest, best performing and most expensive stick on the market. The only true one piece. The first batches produced had some problems with breaking at the top of the shaft and near the blade. (not uncommon with new technology.) The problems were recognised and fixed, so that new batches are much more durable.

I like the original Synergy (Silver), overall a great stick. You can also get the Grip or Si core versions, But I like the regular model best.

If you want value, try the Synthesis 2 piece. It performs like a Synergy, but if it breaks, you just have to replace the broken part.

I am biased towards Easton product, because they are the best made.
I used to believe so as I always used Easton sticks.

I had one of the first stealths ever made right when they came out, and it broke at the top of the shaft when I came into contact with another player on the 30th day of the warranty.

I don't think the stealth is the best performing stick. You can rip wrist shots, but slap shots IMO suffer because of the weight reduction. That's why I like my XX better. I think the ideal weight for a stick is 420 grams. I'm interested in trying a Bauer Vapor XXX stick eventually. The stealth was very expensive too, but after I got the second one back from the company, it was constructed differently and I don't shoot as well. To profit most, you need really strong wrists. My wrists and forearms aren't that strong and IMO one timers are bad with the stealth unless you have forearms like a pro and can hold the stick steady through the shot. It is not stable like a heavier stick is. The Vapor XX is light enough for me. I used to have the original grip synergies (2 of them in a row), then I got a Si-Core, which was great. I broke it and got a Vapor XX and it was awesome. Then I got a stealth and then another XX. The stealth is now sitting in my room and has only been used for like 3 shots in warmup of practice. Like I am a forward and a goal scoring player. LIke I avoid traffic and find the open holes. I'm not a powerforward and I'm really light at 155 and 6'0 (just turned 16) and you'd think the stealth'd be the ideal stick for me as I did, but the Vapor XX is a much better stick unless you're a top level player. I play the highest midget travel hockey in Florida FWIW, so I'm no slouch, but I even like the Synergy Grips way more than the stealth due to the weight problems. Also, for when I penalty kill, if you swat at the puck with one hand, the stealth is so light that it gets under the puck and doesn't propell it where you want it to go. Also, on Faceoffs, as I am a center, I usually win about 80% and with the stealth, it dropped to about 50-60%. Also, when other players pressure your stick, with the stealth, you have to use all of your strenght to overcome that, while with the XX, you can use some of the weight. All in all, unless you're a junior hockey player, top AAA player, or pro, I don't recommend the stealth.

cstu
12-11-2004, 09:46 PM
If you're feeling a little adventurous, give one of the Innovative OPS a try. Innovative is a lesser known name in the hockey stick world, but for years they have been making sticks for some of the bigger companies in the industry. The 1100 and Novius models come in a variety of flexes and grips, and I believe most places are clearing out the True One model. In fact, i've heard a few times that the new Bauer XXX stick is just going to be the Innovative True One with a different paint job. Other than Innovative, i'd suggest giving the TPS XN10 a go.

PanthersRule96
12-11-2004, 11:22 PM
In fact, i've heard a few times that the new Bauer XXX stick is just going to be the Innovative True One with a different paint job.

No. Unless they've completely changed the True1. innovative makes really nice sticks though. Brett Hull, Sergei Fedorov, and Alexei Kovalev and Mogilny all have used Innovative. Several NHL players use them. They're good. I almost bought one but instead got a XX and man was I glad I did.

IkeaMonkey*
12-11-2004, 11:30 PM
No. Unless they've completely changed the True1. innovative makes really nice sticks though. Brett Hull, Sergei Fedorov, and Alexei Kovalev and Mogilny all have used Innovative. Several NHL players use them. They're good. I almost bought one but instead got a XX and man was I glad I did.

The Innovative true-1, IS the Bauer XXX. He was right.

PanthersRule96
12-11-2004, 11:41 PM
The Innovative true-1, IS the Bauer XXX. He was right.
REALLY??? :amazed:

I thought the release of the XXX was delayed, now that they're advertising for the XX with the stick and the XXX with everything else.

Did Bauer take over innovative? Man, I kinda like the True1, but I liked the XX better.

Where did you hear this or where do you know this from???

I'm quite shocked that this is true.

I wouldn't be surprised though, if the Vapor XXX was like the same skate as the XX, only slight changes.

They just released the XX gloves in like April, and they've already released the XXX's when the XX's were a huge success. I have no idea why other than they want more money maybe. There's very little difference. They said the XXX's are lighter and stuff, but the XX's are superlight.

IkeaMonkey*
12-11-2004, 11:53 PM
Where did you hear this or where do you know this from???.

Various shop owners and a rep. The most credible was Philbrick's Sports/Hockey.com who are based in Dover NH, about a 15 minute drive from Greenland/Bauer HQ and Philbrick's is a pretty large Bauer/Nike dealer.

Canadian Chris
12-11-2004, 11:59 PM
Various shop owners and a rep. The most credible was Philbrick's Sports/Hockey.com who are based in Dover NH, about a 15 minute drive from Greenland/Bauer HQ and Philbrick's is a pretty large Bauer/Nike dealer.
I've actually heard the same as HoKEGoalie....my manager and I were talking with the our Bauer Rep and he basically said the same thing...albeit, not in the exact words, but we were asking him questions on the XXX gear

cstu
12-12-2004, 06:59 AM
I actually read it on the Mod Squad Hockey (http://www.modsquadhockey.com) boards. Good place to check out if you want to know anything about hockey gear........the guys there are very knowledgeable.

#2
12-12-2004, 04:40 PM
There is a new brand of sticks out there, called the Rhino Evolution, it goes for about $170 and is really light and performs very well. I have heard that the Owner of this Rhino company is the same person who helped create the Synergy but was later laid off.

Habfansincebirth
12-12-2004, 07:38 PM
innovative makes a true one piece and have for over 2 years.


Are you sure about that? I can't argue, but I do know that the Stealth is the only true one piece that Easton makes, and that they invested heavily in the R& D to create a true one piece. That's why it costs so much.

Regardless. Nobody needs a composite stick unless you are a elite level player. If you must have one and want value, get a 2 piece stick (ie: Synthesis).

IkeaMonkey*
12-12-2004, 07:44 PM
Are you sure about that? I can't argue, but I do know that the Stealth is the only true one piece that Easton makes, and that they invested heavily in the R& D to create a true one piece. That's why it costs so much.

Regardless. Nobody needs a composite stick unless you are a elite level player. If you must have one and want value, get a 2 piece stick (ie: Synthesis).

Yes, the True-1 has been out a couple years.

luke34e
12-13-2004, 09:11 PM
so what should i get

BuppY
12-13-2004, 09:16 PM
Easton (silver) Synergy!!

#2
12-13-2004, 11:39 PM
so what should i get

Bauer 3000 Surpreme(WOOD)

PanthersRule96
12-14-2004, 10:26 PM
so what should i get
Well:

Best performing stick for value: Original Silver Synergy
Most durable and solid performing stick: Sythesis
Best Performing stick in terms of overall IMO: Bauer Vapor XX (yes, way way better than a Stealth and I have a stealth that I do not use and it has been used 1 time in warmup after getting the new one back from the company.

IkeaMonkey*
12-14-2004, 10:29 PM
Well:

Best performing stick for value: Original Silver Synergy
Most durable and solid performing stick: Sythesis
Best Performing stick in terms of overall IMO: Bauer Vapor XX (yes, way way better than a Stealth and I have a stealth that I do not use and it has been used 1 time in warmup after getting the new one back from the company.


In no possible way is a synthesis the most durable shaft. TPS Rubber, M-2 and the Vector shafts are all FAR more durable than a synthesis. Unlike the synthesis, they also fit any standard blade.

PanthersRule96
12-15-2004, 03:19 PM
In no possible way is a synthesis the most durable shaft. TPS Rubber, M-2 and the Vector shafts are all FAR more durable than a synthesis. Unlike the synthesis, they also fit any standard blade.
I meant that if you break the blade it is designed to replace it.

The response is the most durable 1 piece stick, but I have never ever like them.

IkeaMonkey*
12-15-2004, 03:27 PM
I meant that if you break the blade it is designed to replace it.

The response is the most durable 1 piece stick, but I have never ever like them.

You mean like when you break a synergy and use it as a shaft?? Still, a broken M-1and Vector is far more durable than a synergy when it comes to cutting then using as a shaft.

The response are twigs. I had 3 of them and snapped each within a week of use.

PanthersRule96
12-15-2004, 03:38 PM
You mean like when you break a synergy and use it as a shaft?? Still, a broken M-1and Vector is far more durable than a synergy when it comes to cutting then using as a shaft.

The response are twigs. I had 3 of them and snapped each within a week of use.

I was talking about the synthesis. You break a synergy and have to turn it upside down. With the synthesis, you just take the blade out if it's broken.

I have only every used the following sticks:

Mission M-1
Easton Synergy (2001)
Easton Synergy Si-Core
Bauer Vapor XX (2)
Easton Stealth (the original batch and now I have a second batch one)

The best sticks are the Vapor XX's of the list above IMO.

IkeaMonkey*
12-15-2004, 04:42 PM
I was talking about the synthesis. You break a synergy and have to turn it upside down. With the synthesis, you just take the blade out if it's broken.

I have only every used the following sticks:

Mission M-1
Easton Synergy (2001)
Easton Synergy Si-Core
Bauer Vapor XX (2)
Easton Stealth (the original batch and now I have a second batch one)

The best sticks are the Vapor XX's of the list above IMO.


Yes, I know how to cut/use a broken synergy, but you said, "I meant that if you break the blade it is designed to replace it. ", which is just a standard "tapered" shaft after I said the synthesis arent any more durable than the shafts I mentioned.

luke34e
12-15-2004, 10:17 PM
The response are twigs. I had 3 of them and snapped each within a week of use.[/QUOTE]


if you kept gettin a response and it snapped in a week then why would you keep buying another. I had a response and it snapped on me too. I made sure I never went back to it and I have liked all sticks since a lot more

IkeaMonkey*
12-15-2004, 10:20 PM
if you kept gettin a response and it snapped in a week then why would you keep buying another. I had a response and it snapped on me too. I made sure I never went back to it and I have liked all sticks since a lot more

I got 3 of them at a time...

luke34e
12-16-2004, 07:11 PM
thats stupid

IkeaMonkey*
12-16-2004, 07:15 PM
thats stupid

I know, God forbid I should try out new sticks...I learned my lesson, I will only buy what the majority of the NHL players are using!


(people, think before you post...)

luke34e
12-16-2004, 07:31 PM
we all made the mistake of gettin a response. I only see people in qmjhl using a vector

markov`
12-16-2004, 07:43 PM
CCM Vector 110 is my stick and I just love it.

bleedgreen
12-16-2004, 08:57 PM
not a big fan of one pieces but ive tried a few. i think the vector is the most solid - by quite a bit. i wasnt afraid to really play with it. ive had a response and a synergy, and i was afraid to whack anyone with either. the response lasted for awhile, i was surprised since i heard a lot of people complaining. ive heard good thingss about the bauer xx, i would consider trying that or feel perfectly safe with a vector. the ccm's also are a bit heavier, which i like. the composites are getting too light, and i think they lose the feel a bit.

IkeaMonkey*
12-16-2004, 09:02 PM
not a big fan of one pieces but ive tried a few. i think the vector is the most solid - by quite a bit. i wasnt afraid to really play with it. ive had a response and a synergy, and i was afraid to whack anyone with either. the response lasted for awhile, i was surprised since i heard a lot of people complaining. ive heard good thingss about the bauer xx, i would consider trying that or feel perfectly safe with a vector. the ccm's also are a bit heavier, which i like. the composites are getting too light, and i think they lose the feel a bit.

That's exactly how I feel. I am not 100% comfortable with the insanely light stuff. When I am practicing, I'll take some mustard off of EVERY shot because I'm thinking about the weight in my mind. I am more a fan of the "heavier" OPS or a shaft/blade combo.

doc5hole
12-16-2004, 11:31 PM
This has been a fascinating read for a diehard wood guy. Pass-receiving skills seem to have eroded at every level of game since the composites. From those who can compare their composites with wood from experience, I'd like to hear your response to my view and how it feels when you catch the puck.

bleedgreen
12-17-2004, 04:07 AM
This has been a fascinating read for a diehard wood guy. Pass-receiving skills seem to have eroded at every level of game since the composites. From those who can compare their composites with wood from experience, I'd like to hear your response to my view and how it feels when you catch the puck.
absolutely no doubt, every level of play has suffered since they arrived. i think its partially to blame for the nhl goal scoring slump. guys cant control loose pucks around the net anymore. noboady makes perfect passes in the scrambles, and guys arent burying them like they used to. i use a composite blade from time to time because im 6'4" 215 and i blow through wood too quick. i still bought another sherwood 7000 this week. i still love it, and im a better player with it.

cstu
12-17-2004, 05:45 AM
thats stupid

Some people like having the same stick as a backup, just so they don't have to adjust to a different one if they need to switch.

mattihp
12-17-2004, 07:36 AM
go koho! :bow:

doc5hole
12-17-2004, 10:28 AM
Thanks for the input, people. My favorite stick ever was a 1980 Lafleur Sher-Wood PMP, a little stiffer and more dressed up than the late-70's version (of which I went through several), but it was unique in that it had a very high lie (had to be a 7 or 8) and a subtly weird curve that kept the shots low - just the opposite of the modern style (5-iron heel scoop). Several KOHOs and others later, the Bauer 4000 PL106 is the only woodie I've seen in the last few years to offer specs I can live with.

usmhuskies
12-17-2004, 04:38 PM
This has been a fascinating read for a diehard wood guy. Pass-receiving skills seem to have eroded at every level of game since the composites. From those who can compare their composites with wood from experience, I'd like to hear your response to my view and how it feels when you catch the puck.



I takes a while to get used to a compsite, I used wood for my whole life: got a compsite last summer and I must say I like it better than the wood...The biggest thing IMO is to get the right blade curve...I don't know, I can feel the puck just the same if not better now with the compsite...I know I am in the minority but I don't think it has anything to do with the goal scoring problem in the NHL now(I know you didn't post this), the goal scoring problem is that all the creatitivy has been taken out of the game with system like the trap and the left wing lock...Send 2 guys in pressure the puck and hit!!!

DaveyCrockett
12-18-2004, 03:16 AM
Can anyone recommend a good shaft that has grip? I was looking at maybe a z-bubble or a vector 120.

Accord
12-18-2004, 04:46 AM
Can anyone recommend a good shaft that has grip? I was looking at maybe a z-bubble or a vector 120.
TPS Rubber.

luke34e
12-18-2004, 05:20 PM
the rubber for sure. vector v120 shaft you can only buy a vector blade which costs a lot and i got a reallly hard slapshot using the rubber

IkeaMonkey*
12-18-2004, 05:28 PM
the rubber for sure. vector v120 shaft you can only buy a vector blade which costs a lot and i got a reallly hard slapshot using the rubber

The 120 shaft only takes the 120 blade??? What was Mario using at the World Cup? It certainly did not look like a composite blade to me.

luke34e
12-18-2004, 05:55 PM
I was looking at buying the vector v110 shaft last year but the guy working at cleeves told me that if you want to buy a vector shaft you can only fit in the vector blade. Maybe mario was using a vector v120 1 piece with a replacement blade.

IkeaMonkey*
12-18-2004, 05:56 PM
I was looking at buying the vector v110 shaft last year but the guy working at cleeves told me that if you want to buy a vector shaft you can only fit in the vector blade. Maybe mario was using a vector v120 1 piece with a replacement blade.


A 120 One Piece....with a replacement blade??? Ummmm, the blade was wooden. The v120 blades are not wooden.

luke34e
12-18-2004, 06:36 PM
A 120 One Piece....with a replacement blade??? Ummmm, the blade was wooden. The v120 blades are not wooden.



I meant to say that he was probably using a vector v120 stick and he broke the blade and put in a wooden blade

IkeaMonkey*
12-18-2004, 08:10 PM
I meant to say that he was probably using a vector v120 stick and he broke the blade and put in a wooden blade

Yes. We all know Mario Lemieux would need to use a broken OPS as a shaft. Clearly he does not have the financial resources to purchase another one(he is given his sticks for free). Even if he did for some reason use a broken OPS, the shaft shape is still the same as a v120 shaft.


So, No, you are wrong.

luke34e
12-18-2004, 08:47 PM
-editted-
The fact is you can only put vector blades into vector shafts.

no you are wrong

IkeaMonkey*
12-18-2004, 08:57 PM
-editted-. The fact is you can only put vector blades into vector shafts.

no you are wrong

LOL. Son, you are gold. Clearly I know nothing about the sport and the equipment used to play. Perhaps you should read my other, "wrong" posts in this forum.

Oh, I'm also not from Germany. Thanks for knowin everything ;) .

luke34e
12-19-2004, 11:20 AM
vapor xx or synergy? i'd like to hear from anyone other than hokeEgoalie

Jason MacIsaac
12-20-2004, 01:11 PM
Odds are you are not good enough to get any benifiets from a cynergy stick. Pro's only get about 5 extra miles per hour. They also lose feel handling the puck and break aton of these sticks which cost 200+. I still use wood and can fire the puck around 80 MPH. I also get my sticks for 20-30 dollars.

Brodeur
12-20-2004, 01:28 PM
Funny thing (only if you've seen "This is Spinal Tap") that I noticed when I picked up an Easton Stealth yesterday. Easton places a Performance rating on each stick, basically on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the best. For the Stealth, they label with 11.

I wanted to buy it just for that, but laying down $250 for a stick is a bit out of my sanity right now.

mazmin
12-20-2004, 02:06 PM
HUGE WASTE OF MONEY!!

If you actually believe that these $200 sticks make a difference you're having a placebo effect.

The hardest shot ever recorded was with a wood stick and if you find them too heavy go hit up the gym for a few bucks instead.

I have one wood stick and a graphite Bauer shaft I picked up for $50 - I prefer wood. I've tried one piece sticks and was not very impressed. I'm telling you straight up that it's a gimmick. Unless you're in the NHL and the tiniest edge makes a difference YOU ARE WASTING CASH.

Go to Canadian Tire, buy a good $30-40 dollar stick and donate $150 to a family that needs something to smile about on Christmas.

Magnus Fulgur
12-25-2004, 12:28 AM
Amen!

Wood is the way of the future.

I love Kohos and especially Montreal M95 sticks. Sherwoods are okay...but Easton wood/fibre sticks are perhaps the WORST on the market. It's as if Easton intentionally makes cruddy wood sticks so that kids will upgrade to one/two pieces. If I did go that way, I'd use the Easton Nash flex.

Right now I'm using a TPS Messier woody. It's crazy. Light and flexible and strong, this thing has a FUNHOUSE blade to it. The toe curves over the puck!!! You can roof it from point blank with no effort. It's a challenge to keep the puck down, and you have to use the heel to backhand it. But I've never tried a stick that changed my game so much. It's pretty fun.

Those Rhino Evolutions are pretty good though, if you want to go that route. I think they have the best "feel".