Who won the NFL draft?

Vote for the best overall team in you opinion. Warning to the guys who took part - public vote!

Seahawks (Bauldie)

Defence
DE - John Abraham
DT - Cornelius Griffin
DT - Sam Adams
DE - Robert Mathis

OLB - Cato June
MLB - Zach Thomas
OLB - Lance Briggs

CB - Lito Sheppard
FS - Darren Sharper
SS - Mike Minter
CB - Andre Dyson

Offense

QB - Daunte Culpepper
RB - Curtis Martin
FB - Mack Strong
T - Willie Roaf
G - Steve Hutchinson
C - Rob Tobeck
G - Mike Wahle
T - Jason Fabini
TE - Jason Witten
WR - Jevon Walker
WR - Jimmy Smith

Special Teams
K - Josh Brown
P - Tom Tupa

49er's (Hockeyfan02)

Defence
DE - Leonard Little
DT - Kris Jenkins
DT - Ted Washington
DE - Trevor Pryce

OLB - Napoleon Harris
MLB - Ray Lewis
OLB - Julian Peterson

CB - Ty Law
FS - Cory Chavous
SS - Donovan Darius
CB - Nate Clements

Offence

QB - Brett Favre
RB - Edgerrian James
FB - Tony Richardson
T - Flozell Adams
G - Will Shields
C - Jeremy Newberyy
G - Chris Villarial
T - Chris Samuels
TE - Randy McMichael
WR - Chad Johnson
WR - Amani Toomer

Special Teams
K - Jeff Wilkins
P - Todd Sauerbrun

Vikings (JCD)

Defence

DE - Kevin Carter
DT - Casey Hamptson
DT - Kevin Williams
DE - Charles Grant

OLB - Takeo Spikes
MLB - Al Wilson
OLB - Nick Barnett

CB - Charles Woodson
FS - Ken Hamlin
SS - Tank Williams
CB - Champ Bailey

Offence

QB - Byron Leftwich
RB - Deuce McAllister
T - Tra Thomas
G - Leonard Davis
C - Lecharles Bentley
G - Willie Anderson
T - Bryant Mckinnie
TE - Jim Kleinsasser

WR - Randy Moss
WR - Chris Chambers
WR - Keyshawn Johnson

Special Teams

K - David Akers
P - Shane Lechler

Falcons (Chris_Dub)

Defence

DE - Patrick Kerney
DT - Albert Haynesworth
DT - Anthony McFarland
DE - Chike OKeafor

OLB - London Fletcher
MLB - Jamie Sharper
OLB - Mike Vrabel

CB - Nick Harper
FS - Troy Polamalu
SS - Bryan Scott
CB - Terrence McGee

Offence

QB - Donovan McNabb
RB - Ahman Green
T - Chad Clifton
G - Joe Andruzzi
C - Mike Flanagan
G - Robert Garza
T - Bob Gallery
TE - Alge Crumpler

WR - Torry Holt
WR - Roy Williams
WR - Santana Moss

Special Teams

K - Jason Elam
P - Chris Mohr

Colts (Hercules_Rockefeller)

Defence

DE - Dwight Freeney
DT - Corey Simon
DT - Shaun Rogers
DE - Adewale Ogunleye

OLB - Keith Brooking
MLB - Brian Urlacher
OLB - Anthony Simmons

CB - Ronde Barber
FS - Mike Brown
SS - Rodney Harrison
CB - Ehren Glenn

Offence

QB - Peyton Manning
RB - Clinton Portis
T - Kyle Turley
G - Dan Niel
C - Kevin Mawae
G - Jeff Saturday
T - Tarik Glenn
TE - Marcus Pollard

WR - Hines Ward
WR - Steve Smith
WR - Larry Fitzgerald

Special Teams

K - Mike Vaderjagt
P - Hunter Smith

Eagles (Obeysteve)

Defence

DE - Jason Taylor
DT - Marcus Stroud
DT - Richard Seymour
DE - Grant Wistrom

OLB - Peter Sirmon
MLB - Ted Bruschi
OLB - Shawn Barber

CB - Antoine Winfield
FS - Roy Williams
SS - Michael Lewis
CB - Samari Rolle

Offence

QB - Tom Brady
RB - Jamal Lewis
FB - Fred Beasley
T - Orlando Pace
G - Alan Faneca
C - Tom Nalen
G - Toniu Fonoti
T - Brad Hopkins
TE - Eric Johnson

WR - Anquan Boldin
WR - Issac Bruce

Special Teams

K - Adam Vinatieri
P - Brad Maynard

Jets (Jtuzzi)

Defence

DE - Jevon Kearse
DT - DeWayne Robertson
DT - Rod Coleman
DE - Aaron Schobel

OLB - Chad Brown
MLB - Ian Gold
OLB - Terrell Suggs

CB - Marcus Trufant
FS - Tebucky Jones
SS - Sammy Knight
CB - Dre' Bly

Offence

QB - Chad Pennington
RB - Priest Holmes
FB - Mike Alstott
T - Walter Jones
G - Ryan DeMulling
C - Jeff Hartings
G - Brian Waters
T - Matt Light
TE - Todd Heap

WR - Terrell Owens
WR - Eric Moulds

Special Teams

K - Ryan Longwell
P - MItch Berger

Rams (Alexander The Great_

Defence

DE - Bertrand Berry
DT - Tim Bowens
DT - Hugh Douglas
DE - Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila

OLB - Joey Porter
MLB - Peter Boulware
OLB - LaVar Arrington

CB - Shawn Springs
FS - Brian Dawkins
SS - Ed Reed
CB - Sam Madison

Offence

QB - Ben Roethlisberger
RB - Ladanian Tomlinson
FB - Rueben Droughns
T - Tom Ashworth
G - Damien Woody
C - Olin Kreutz
G - Roman Oben
T - Levi Jones
TE - Jeremy Shockey

WR - Marvin Harrison
WR - Plaxico Burress

Special Teams

K - Matt Stover
P - Matt Turk

Bears (monster_bertuzzi)

Defence

DE - Michael Strahan
DT - Warren Sapp
DT - Bryant Young
DE - Simeon Rice

OLB - Keith Bulluck
MLB - Donnie Edwards
OLB - James Farrior

CB - Patrick Surtain
FS - Adam Archuleta
SS - Tony Parrish
CB - Deion Sanders

Offence

QB - Steve McNair
RB - Shaun Alexander
T - John Tait
G - Ruben Brown
C - Matt Birk
G - Jermane Mayberry
T - Jon Runyan
TE - Tony Gonzalez

WR - Andre Johnson
WR - Laverneous Coles
WR - Reggie Wayne

Special Teams

K - Sebastien Janikowski
P - Dave Zastudul

Chargers (Herby)

[I]Defence[/b]

DE - Julius Peppers
DT - La'Roi Glover
DT - Brentson Buckner
DE - Mike Rucker

OLB - Rosevelt Colvin
MLB - Kendrell Bell
OLB - Derrick Brooks

CB - Quentin Jammer
FS - Sean Taylor
SS - Lawyer Malloy
CB - Chris McAllister

Offence

QB - Michael Vick
RB - Corey Dillon
FB - Lorenzo Neal
T - Jonathan Ogden
G - Larry Allen
C - Casey Wiegmann
G - Marco Rivera
T - Orlando Brown
TE - Antonio Gates

WR - Joe Horn
WR - Derek Mason

Special Teams

K - Shayne Graham
P - Josh Miller

...I thought we agreed not to do this.

Vikings...

Alexander the Great since he got Roethlisberger.

Alexander the Great since he got Roethlisberger.

Getting currently the worst QB of all those drafted makes his team the best? ;)

Getting currently the worst QB of all those drafted makes his team the best? ;)

Not losing yet as a rookie with basically the same team that tommy maddox,Kordell and others had is pretty impressive to me.

Now you can see why I thought this was an absolutely horrible idea.

i hate these draft things

but niners, rams, and hawks are the top 3 imo

Not losing yet as a rookie with basically the same team that tommy maddox,Kordell and others had is pretty impressive to me.
For 19,746th time on these boards... it's not the same team.

I voted for the Niners. Definetely think they're the best all-around.

Surprised to see my team get 3 votes, so far to lead all teams.

For 19,746th time on these boards... it's not the same team.

What is different about the offense? Duce Staley has been injured for most of the year so you can't say he is the difference.The defense has always been top notch and leaders such as Joey Porter have been their for years now

What is different about the offense? Duce Staley has been injured for most of the year so you can't say he is the difference.The defense has always been top notch and leaders such as Joey Porter have been their for years nowI should just copy/paste from the numerous times I've had to explain.

New starting RB--which does have an impact for the whole year because Bettis is well rested. New offensive co-ordinator. Large turnover on the o-line. New defensive co-ordinator and many changes on defense, which was nowhere near as good last year as it is this year. Which does matter for the offense... how many times have the Steelers been behind in the 2nd half? Why? Because of their defense more so than their offense. They're giving up a TD a game less than they were last year.

I should just copy/paste from the numerous times I've had to explain.

New starting RB. New offensive co-ordinator. Large turnover on the o-line. New defensive co-ordinator and many changes on defense. Which doe matter for the offense... how many times have the Steelers been behind in the 2nd half? Why? Because of their defense more so than their offense.

Staley has been injured most of the year and bettis well rested?He had 4 tds on minus 4 yards at the beginning of the season.New Offensive coordinator? Um yeah throw it to the big guy named burress deep considering he has a huge height advantage on my DB's and safeties.D changes can you name them?New D coordinator?The steeler D has been their strength for years so not much difference now then before

Staley has been injured most of the year and bettis well rested?He had 4 tds on minus 4 yards at the beginning of the season.New Offensive coordinator? Um yeah throw it to the big guy named burress deep considering he has a huge height advantage on my DB's and safeties.D changes can you name them?New D coordinator?The steeler D has been their strength for years so not much difference now then before

So going from middle of the pack in defensive scoring to 1st and going from last in the league in rushing offense to 2nd has no effect on their success?

The Colts with Urlacher, Ogunleye, Barber, Harrison, Manning, Pollard, Fitzgerald and Hines Ward.

Staley has been injured most of the year.When's he played, he's been huge. And because of that, Bettis is rested. And because Bettis is rested from not having to run the ball 25 times a game every game, when he does run it 25 times, he's very effective.

New Offensive coordinator? Um yeah throw it to the big guy name buress deep considering he has a huge height advantage on my DB's and safeties.Last year they were a middle of the pack offense, this year they're a top 10 offense. It's part personnell, part coaching.

D changes can you name them?New D coordinator?The steeler D has been their strength for years so not much difference now then beforeI can, I didn't name them there because I've repeated this stuff so many times here. Both safties. 2 LBs. 1 CB. That's one half (well, as close to one half as you can get with 11) of the defense. And as I said before, they're allowing 1 TD less a season. And if they had an award for coordinator of the year, LeBeau would be a leading candidate.

It ain't the same team, and I'm really tired of telling people that are a fan of Steelers that this ain't last year's Steelers.

BTW, Aaron Glenn is my other CB, not Tariq Glenn.

BTW, Aaron Glenn is my other CB, not Tariq Glenn.
The thought of Tarik Glenn playing CB is indescribable. He could probably contain Todd Pinkston though.

The thought of Tarik Glenn playing CB is indescribable. He could probably contain Todd Pinkston though.

:lol:

i thought the niners had the best all around team

No one.

I can't believe nobody took Brian Moorman. The best punter in the NFL.

No one.

I can't believe nobody took Brian Moorman. The best punter in the NFL.
:banghead:

No one.

I can't believe nobody took Brian Moorman. The best punter in the NFL.

Moorman is good, but he certainly is not the best. Lechler set the NFL record for longest average last year and is among the leader in virtually every category once again. After him, you still have Sauerbrun to contend with.

With Hanson, a healthy Berger and a reborn Tupa, Moorman might have trouble making the top-5.

It's REEEEALY close between the Chargers, Eagles and Colts.

Bears are the best, they may not have the best offence in the world, but your not doing anything against that defence.

Bears are the best, they may not have the best offence in the world, but your not doing anything against that defence.

I actually think his offense is the strong point. Great backs, and the best WR core by far. The D is good, especially the LBs, but he has alot of guys who are getting older, and at the same time, not as good. His d-line would've been amazing 2 or 3 years ago, but since, Sapp and Young have slowed down, as has Rice. "Primetime" is also not as good as he once was.

I actually think his offense is the strong point. Great backs, and the best WR core by far. The D is good, especially the LBs, but he has alot of guys who are getting older, and at the same time, not as good. His d-line would've been amazing 2 or 3 years ago, but since, Sapp and Young have slowed down, as has Rice. "Primetime" is also not as good as he once was.

I think he's talking about my secondary, not my d-line.

No love for my passing game? :cry:

No love for my passing game? :cry:

You've got an awesome recieving TE and 1 great WR and one good WR. Keep in mind though that you went with a fullback so thats only 3 recieving options compared to my 4 options, and JCD's etc.

My vote went to the Eagles.

DL - If all 4 heathly, they would be quite the menace

LB - Bruschi and Barber don't get anywhere near the press they deserve because they are 2 of the top LB's in the NFL.

Secondary - Big Roy Williams fan, this guy is awesome.

Offense - Noone talks about Brady the passer but he can put up numbers and behind that O-line and with Lewis running that wouldn't be a problem. Brady did lead the league in TD's before ;)

K - Best kicker in the game.

Eagles.

You've got an awesome recieving TE and 1 great WR and one good WR. Keep in mind though that you went with a fullback so thats only 3 recieving options compared to my 4 options, and JCD's etc.
Priest Holmes out of the backfield is a pretty good reciever option as well.

Moorman is good, but he certainly is not the best. Lechler set the NFL record for longest average last year and is among the leader in virtually every category once again. After him, you still have Sauerbrun to contend with.

With Hanson, a healthy Berger and a reborn Tupa, Moorman might have trouble making the top-5.

Have you ever been to Buffalo?

Have you ever been to Buffalo?

Have you ever seen an NFL team other than the Bills?

Moorman may be good, but best in the NFL? Gimme a break. He can't hold a candle to Lechler or Sauerbrun. Cripes, Lechler is on pace to beat his own NFL record from last year. No punter in history has put ONE season together like Lechler, let alone TWO strait.

Tell you what, make his case. Best of luck with that.

Colts (Herc_rock)

eSabre is the one calling him the best in the NFL, not me. I'm just saying that simply looking at the numbers is pointless becuase kicking a ball in Oakland compared to Buffalo is a completely different thing.

Moorman has turned two botched snaps into huge gains, pinned an opponent on the one leading to a saftey on the next play, and was recognized by both coaches as the best player in the Buffalo/Arizona game. He has to deal with conditions that Lechler would hate to see 8 times a year. I only comment on the Bills because they're the team I know most about. Maybe you should do the same.

Between hockeyfan and JCD. I went with hockeyfan and the niners I think it was.

eSabre is the one calling him the best in the NFL, not me. I'm just saying that simply looking at the numbers is pointless becuase kicking a ball in Oakland compared to Buffalo is a completely different thing.

Moorman has turned two botched snaps into huge gains, pinned an opponent on the one leading to a saftey on the next play, and was recognized by both coaches as the best player in the Buffalo/Arizona game. He has to deal with conditions that Lechler would hate to see 8 times a year. I only comment on the Bills because they're the team I know most about. Maybe you should do the same.

Pinning an opponent once, dealing with a pair of botched snaps and getting a gameball makes him the best? Playing in Buffalo makes him the best? I know you didn't call him the best, but you did jump in defending that statement.

Name me a punter who HASN'T had to deal with a bad snap now and then. As far as pinning an opponent goes, numbers can back that up. Lechler does it better than anybody else. Best player for a game? Lechler wasn't Oakland's best player for A game, he has been their best player the past two SEASONS. About the only Raider really worth mentioning actually.

The difference in weather is over-stated. Lechler is on the road for 8 games and has Denver in his division. Weather conditions only differ in the last two months of the season. It isn't 8 bad games, it is maybe 5 or so. Even if you compare just 'good' weather games before November, Lechler still wins by a good margin.

I really don't care that you see Buffalo play more than I. If you (or eSabre, whatever) are calling Moorman the best in the game, you back it up. All I got was some par-for-the-course plays and the fact that he plays in Buffalo. Because he plays in Buffalo doesn't make him the best in the league. I watch more than enough football games to voice an opinion on who is the best punter. Vikes are my team, but there are still 4 other games on each and every week. If I don't have a clue what I am talking about, I don't say anything. Or admit as such up front. Perhaps you should do the same as well.

Name me a punter who HASN'T had to deal with a bad snap now and then.

But how many run thirty yards down the field saving a potentially disastrous play and tuning it into a first down?

The difference in weather is over-stated. Lechler is on the road for 8 games and has Denver in his division. Weather conditions only differ in the last two months of the season. It isn't 8 bad games, it is maybe 5 or so. Even if you compare just 'good' weather games before November, Lechler still wins by a good margin.


Well then we'll just disagree. The wind in Buffalo isn't just a "November thing". Moorman has to play 8 road games too. NE and NYJ are in his division. Weather isn't a small deal when it comes to punting. I don't think he's the best, I'd put him 3rd or 4th. I just think going on numbers for punting is absurd. I wouldn't trade Moorman for any other punter in the leage though, because he's proven he can deal with the Buffalo weather.

But how many run thirty yards down the field saving a potentially disastrous play and tuning it into a first down?
Any punter can if they had their path unobstructed as Moorman did. Hunter Smith had a 21 yard run for a TD on a fake FG last year for example.

But how many run thirty yards down the field saving a potentially disastrous play and tuning it into a first down?



Well then we'll just disagree. The wind in Buffalo isn't just a "November thing". Moorman has to play 8 road games too. NE and NYJ are in his division. Weather isn't a small deal when it comes to punting. I don't think he's the best, I'd put him 3rd or 4th. I just think going on numbers for punting is absurd. I wouldn't trade Moorman for any other punter in the leage though, because he's proven he can deal with the Buffalo weather.

Would you say the same thing if Lechler was in Buffalo and Moorman was in Oakland?

Didn't think so.

Punting is more than just numbers. However, you have given me absolutely jack that Moorman has over Lechler. Other than he plays in Buffalo. Then again, if you put him 3rd or 4th, I can only assume that Sauerbrun and Lechler are two of the ones you put above him.

Would you say the same thing if Lechler was in Buffalo and Moorman was in Oakland?

I think Lechler's numbers would be down significantly.

Punting is more than just numbers. However, you have given me absolutely jack that Moorman has over Lechler.[/quote]

That's because I don't think he's better than Lechler.

Then again, if you put him 3rd or 4th, I can only assume that Sauerbrun and Lechler are two of the ones you put above him.

There ya go.

Who had the most Pro Bowlers this season?

Chargers

Offense:

QB- Mike Vick
TE- Antonio Gates
WR- Joe Horn
OT- Jonathan Ogden
OG- Larry Allen
OG- Marco Rivera

Defense:

DE- Julius Peppers
DT- La'Roi Glover
LB- Derrick Brooks
CB- Chris McAllister

I Have 7(With 1 first alternate Big Ben)

Offense

RB-Tomlinson
C-Kreutz
WR-Harrison

Defense
DE-Berry
LB-Porter
SS-Reed
FS-Dawkins

I Have 7(With 1 first alternate Big Ben)

Offense

RB-Tomlinson
C-Kreutz
WR-Harrison

Defense
DE-Berry
LB-Porter
SS-Reed
FS-Dawkins
are you sure Ben is first alternate, green's stats are far superior.

are you sure Ben is first alternate, green's stats are far superior.

That is what Espn states.

It's hard for rookies to earn Pro Bowl votes, and that's what Ben Roethlisberger of the Steelers and Sean Taylor of the Redskins found out. Taylor and Roethlisberger ended up as first alternates. Roethlisberger faced tougher competition than Taylor. He was going against Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Brady. With Brady being slighted in the Pro Bowl voting so often, it's hard to complain about his selection. Taylor lost out to the Eagles, which is what happened to everyone in the NFC East. Michael Lewis and Brian Dawkins were among nine Eagles who made it. Roy Williams has been established as one of the NFC's most physical safeties. Taylor is just the new kid on the block. Watch for him next season.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1951892