NFL Week 15

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Mathletic
12-18-2004, 09:05 PM
Steelers won

Skins won

anybody can tell Patrick and others on espn that if you want to be Barry Sanders you have to be like him every play not once every game

Epsilon
12-18-2004, 09:12 PM
anybody can tell Patrick and others on espn that if you want to be Barry Sanders you have to be like him every play not once every game

I was going to say the EXACT same thing.

ObeySteve
12-18-2004, 09:25 PM
The ESPN announcers are honestly the worst announcing group I've ever heard, for any sport.

They say incorrect facts (everything from saying the wrong guy on the play to simple false facts), they exaggerate every play to make it seem absolutely amazing, and they really love to overrate and talk over and over about the same 2 or so guys in every single game.

Anthony*
12-18-2004, 09:37 PM
i like the snf crew

ObeySteve
12-18-2004, 09:42 PM
It's amazing how much the ESPN announcers are on Michael Vick's nuts. He quickly releases a ball that is 10 yards away from any reciever, and the announcers quickly say "he must have known that if he threw it to any of his recievers, it would have been picked off".

Vick and Roethlisberger get so much more credit than they ever deserve that it is amazing.

GKJ
12-18-2004, 10:19 PM
Vick 9-20 2 picks and now a fumble and Julius Peppers can move.

Fire Sather
12-18-2004, 10:24 PM
come on Falcons...

Vick has proven to me he sucks, must it happen when I pick him in one on the most imporant weeks?

ObeySteve
12-18-2004, 10:30 PM
In the last lap of the race that is the 2004 NFL season, Peppers is closing in on Reed and Farrior for serious consideration as Defensive Player of the Year.

Epsilon
12-18-2004, 10:38 PM
The announcers are now making a big deal about a Vick incompletion, praising him for throwing it so hard it couldn't be picked, and making estimates as to the speed of it.

Epsilon
12-18-2004, 10:44 PM
Vick just got annihilated by Wallace. What a hit.

GKJ
12-18-2004, 10:51 PM
"how he manages to keep his knee off the ground is incredible"



because he has control over that when he is airbourne

V for Voodoo
12-18-2004, 10:52 PM
Oh that divine Michael Vick, he just floats on turf.

Fire Sather
12-18-2004, 10:52 PM
OK, theres something Penny cant do.

Anthony*
12-18-2004, 10:56 PM
what is with the vick hate

Epsilon
12-18-2004, 11:00 PM
what is with the vick hate

He's 11-28 for 154 yards of passing and yet people (i.e. the media) make it seem like he's the ultimate quarterback.

Fire Sather
12-18-2004, 11:01 PM
He's 11-28 for 154 yards of passing and yet people (i.e. the media) make it seem like he's the ultimate quarterback.

Yeah.

Anthony*
12-18-2004, 11:02 PM
so you hate him for that reason

Epsilon
12-18-2004, 11:03 PM
so you hate him for that reason

I didn't say I hate him. I hate the media comparing him to Barry Sanders.

Fire Sather
12-18-2004, 11:07 PM
aaron Beasley The Former Jet!!!!!!

Mathletic
12-18-2004, 11:16 PM
Thank you Falcons for keeping the Bucs alive

great game for my man from FSU Warrick Dunn who had to block Peppers ... it's a big joke that he had to block him, anyway he did it

chris_dub
12-19-2004, 12:24 AM
Great win for the Falcons.

The game was hideous, but the only thing that matters is the W. Vick played awful, but got it done. And I just think everybody is hating on him because the announcers & people talk him up. He isn't there yet. That's obvious to anybody. He still needs to grow & learn, and for gods sake they need a #1 Receiver. But I don't like what the team is doing with Vick. They DO need to get him out of the pocket, because that is where he is the best.

Son of Steinbrenner
12-19-2004, 01:07 AM
aaron Beasley The Former Jet!!!!!!
and thank god he is a former jet.

BigStar
12-19-2004, 02:49 AM
so you hate him for that reason

yes! overhyped!! can run like a son of a!! but cannot pass that great...yet anyway

Tuggy
12-19-2004, 10:41 AM
About an hour away from kickoffs..I am looking forward to the Jets/Seahawks and that will probably he the game I concentrate on watching. Let's go Seahawks :D

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 10:44 AM
yes! overhyped!! can run like a son of a!! but cannot pass that great...yet anyway

When he is out of the pocket, he can throw some great passes. It's the west coast offence that hurts vick, and staying in the pocket.

Fire Sather
12-19-2004, 10:53 AM
About an hour away from kickoffs..I am looking forward to the Jets/Seahawks and that will probably he the game I concentrate on watching. Let's go Seahawks :D

Meanie! :D

Broadway Brett
12-19-2004, 10:53 AM
As much as I hate Vick (I even hate the SNF anouncer, they might as well jack off in front of us when they watch Vick and Roethlisberger), I don't get why they say that people are saying Vick should change positions. I haven't heard anyone say that. He was drafted to be a QB, if you put him at RB, people will be at the line of scrimmage, and Vick is a great runner in the open field, and RB's need to get through holes, and stuff. And you don't know if he is able to catch the ball if you put him at WR. If he doesn't make it at QB, he won't be able to play in the NFL. It is nearly impossible to change positons in the NFL and become a star. He was drafted #1 overall because people thought he would be a great QB, and putting him at another position is just plain retarded.

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 11:31 AM
Today I am rooting for big games from...

McNabb
Andre Johnson
Lelie
Parker
Droughns
Jones (Julius)
Clark
Scobee
Seahawks D
Rodney Harrison

Except my opponents QB is Jake Plummer, who I'm really worried about because of Kansas City. Hopefully, Droughns is able to suck away his TDs, and if not, they do to Lelie so they are cancelled out.

I have a bad feeling that I'm going to lose. I need a huge game from McNabb.

Tuggy
12-19-2004, 11:36 AM
hmmm just watchin countdown and they showed Cleveland. You can't even see the field with all the snow, Doug Flutie has been named the backup today. Should be interesting to see how the Chargers play in these conditions.

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 11:44 AM
Crap, that means a lot of Tomlinson today. Oh well, I'm just hoping for a deep pass to Parker. Brees is my other QB, but Dallas' secondary is worse than Cleveland's and I didn't even consider the weather. . . Good thing I didn't have Brees in or I'd be in trouble.

I'm assuming if I get any games, I'll get that Cleveland one. I'm hoping I get the Philly/Dallas game on FOX too.

MontrealCruiser_83*
12-19-2004, 11:59 AM
Christ... Winners league playoffs and my opponent has some decent matchups. That Tomlinson news isn't good for me.

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/181000

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 12:05 PM
Dante Hall starts us off with a kickoff return for a TD.

On the Cleveland game, I think they said they were expecting 15 inches of snow. I'm not sure I heard it right, because I was in the other room. That can't be right, can it?

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 12:17 PM
McNabb INT. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Overturned!!!!! Does that mean the stat comes off of the board?

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 12:17 PM
Luke McCown just threw one of the worst INTs I have ever seen. He put it right into Donnie Edward's numbers. It was a beautiful pass to the end zone to the other team. And yes, the only reason I am watching this game is because of the snow.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 12:18 PM
McNabb INT. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Overturned!!!!! Does that mean the stat comes off of the board?
What do you think?

Of course it does. The INT doesn't count.

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 12:20 PM
When it comes to fantasy football, I don't think very logically. I don't understand why a player rushes for some yards and the team takes a penalty, from what I understand the player still gets his yards.

McNabb almost threw another pick. Luckily Owens was there.

Nice punt by Philly there. I'm switching over the the Chargers game to root for Parker.


Edit: yeah, looking at that, it's a pretty dumb question. :blush:

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 12:27 PM
Denver run defense is supposed to be good, and they let Larry Johnson march right down the field on them. I should have started him. :shakehead

I have a bad feeling that Denver and Droughns are going to suck today.

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 12:27 PM
When it comes to fantasy football, I don't think very logically. I don't understand why a player rushes for some yards and the team takes a penalty, from what I understand the player still gets his yards.


No he doesnt. If theirs a holding call, unless the penalty is declined, the yardse wiped out.

BiggMac99
12-19-2004, 12:30 PM
He's 11-28 for 154 yards of passing and yet people (i.e. the media) make it seem like he's the ultimate quarterback.

Yeah, maybe his passing game sucks more than a QB like Pennington or a Manning, but the Falcons without Vick are nothing!

Remember last year buddie!

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 12:30 PM
No he doesnt. If theirs a holding call, unless the penalty is declined, the yardse wiped out.

Hm, I must just read the box score wrong.

Anyways, things are looking bad for me today. Dallas is eating up clock and time for McNabb to throw TDs.

I'm just going to go enjoy the snow game and check back later.

Chaos
12-19-2004, 12:42 PM
Freddie Mitchell is one lucky mother ****er. McNabb badly overthrew him on a pass that he would have been absolutely destroyed by Roy Williams, so obviously Roy lets up and just bumps him, and Mitchell gets up like he's some tough guy :lol

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 12:45 PM
Awesome, I started Hall today in one of my leagues. :yo:

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 12:46 PM
Freddie Mitchell is one lucky mother ****er.

He lose another ball in the lights again? :lol

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 12:47 PM
He lose another ball in the lights again? :lol
You're thinking of Todd Pinkston.

Chaos
12-19-2004, 12:47 PM
He lose another ball in the lights again? :lol

I believe that was Todd Pinkston. But no, McNabb overthrew a pass to him that had it been catchable, Mitchell would have been destroyed by Roy Williams.

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 12:48 PM
You're thinking of Todd Pinkston.

Yeah just realized that. Not feeling so good about my joke right now.

PredsFan77*
12-19-2004, 12:52 PM
I'm very happy the Panthers won....the bandwagon fans would have been in full force today had they won. This Cleveland game is pretty good, I love Sunday Ticket...I need to find a way to get satellite in my dorm room.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 01:02 PM
Buffalo leading 21-7 after starting the game trailing by a touchdown.

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 01:16 PM
Wow, the Broncos suck.

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 01:25 PM
Wow, the Broncos suck.

And I hate them for it. I started Droughns, who has apparently been pulled from the game, and Johnson is killing their "good" run defense. I know I already said this in the thread, but I'm really mad about it. :mad:

At least Plummer isn't doing much. Neither is McNabb though. :banghead:

FlyersGuy69
12-19-2004, 01:41 PM
TO's leg looked like it got messed on that tackle from Roy Williams. went to the locker room.

MASK
12-19-2004, 01:42 PM
O crap Owens is hurt. :banghead:

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 02:08 PM
I hate Roy Williams.

FlyersGuy69
12-19-2004, 02:12 PM
I hate Roy Williams.
he must be doing something right then... :D

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 02:13 PM
he must be doing something right then... :D
Good change of pace for him from the last time he faced the Eagles then.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:16 PM
Roy Williams playing great today. Newman playing very well too. Dallas' D is playing their best game this season.

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 02:16 PM
I hate Roy Williams.

that would be Roy "3rd best safety in the NFC EAST" Williams

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 02:19 PM
that would be Roy "3rd best safety in the NFC EAST" Williams
This time next year he might be the 4th best. Williams is a real good player, but he's a bit overrated.

DJ Spinoza
12-19-2004, 02:19 PM
I actually would prefer Dallas to win this game.

But at this point I need a long drive with a lot of passes ending in a McNabb passing TD.

I also hate how Dallas has managed to waste away all the clock and not get Julius Jones any TDs. Sure, it's good coaching strategy to keep Philly off the field, but it's killing my chances of winning this week.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:21 PM
that would be Roy "3rd best safety in the NFC EAST" Williams



He's only 24 and has plenty of time to improve. Already one of the best hitters in the game.

EDIT-----Williams play has downgraded a bit because he has been asked to do so much, with Woodson down and only 1 decent CB (Newman), he has had a lot more to do than last year.

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 02:23 PM
This time next year he might be the 4th best. Williams is a real good player, but he's a bit overrated.

Agreed. He's a very good blitzer, and tough against the run, but often looks lost in coverage.

For young for the next 10 years IMO it's a coin flip between Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 02:26 PM
Agreed. He's a very good blitzer, and tough against the run, but often looks lost in coverage.

For young for the next 10 years IMO it's a coin flip between Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.
Hold on... are you saying Taylor is better than Williams now, or are just projecting him to be?

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:26 PM
The only thing Dallas and Philadelphia know how to do in this game is go backwards.

Fire Sather
12-19-2004, 02:29 PM
Jets are owning the Seahawks.. havent punted yet and Pennington is answering all his critics.

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 02:32 PM
Hold on... are you saying Taylor is better than Williams now, or are just projecting him to be?

I'll take Taylor today and for the next decade.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:32 PM
How about Witten? Only 22 and is in the top 5 (3rd I believe) in receiving yards for Tight Ends.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 02:33 PM
I'll take Taylor today and for the next decade.
He's been real good, but it's only been one year. Jury's still out on him IMO, but I do like him a lot. I never let one year make or break anyone, unless they're like 39 or 40. I'd take Dawkins over all of 'em, Michael Lewis is incredibly underrated.

Son of Steinbrenner
12-19-2004, 02:35 PM
Jets are owning the Seahawks.. havent punted yet and Pennington is answering all his critics.
yes they are and yes he is :thumbu:

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 02:35 PM
How about Witten? Only 22 and is in the top 5 (3rd I believe) in receiving yards for Tight Ends.
He's a good TE, but I think his numbers are inflated because there isn't really anyone else to throw to. It's like the Chad Lewis explosion in McNabb's early years... Lewis was good, but he was putting Pro Bowl numbers up because McNabb had no one else to throw to. Same thing here, Keyshawn has been alright but the rest of the WRs stink, Witten, to his credit has been open all year, and Vinny goes to him. It also helps to have Mark Simoneau cover you twice a year!

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:37 PM
:banghead: Missed field goal for Dallas.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 02:41 PM
Eagles have woken up, and McNabb's legs are getting them there. Some real nice running.

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 02:49 PM
Tatuml Bell with a great run...then he fumbles at the 5 and it roles out of bounds at the end zone for a touchback... :dunno:

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:49 PM
I knew Dallas would **** it up. :banghead:

Son of Steinbrenner
12-19-2004, 02:51 PM
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:52 PM
Philly can't get extra points. :joker:

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 02:52 PM
Well, the Broncos are done. Come on Jacksonville.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:54 PM
Testaverde is one of the main reasons that Dallas can't win at all. TOO MANY INTERCEPTIONS!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:55 PM
Well, the Broncos are done. Come on Jacksonville.

Going to be a tough game, but I hope they can pull it out. Leftwich needs to dominate the secondary and Taylor needs to get a lot of great runs. Stroud and Henderson need to stop the running game of Green bay as well.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 02:55 PM
Testaverde is one of the main reasons that Dallas can't win at all. TOO MANY INTERCEPTIONS!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:uh

is this a joke

vinny is actually one of the cowboys better players this year

i can think of 11 reasons why they cant win it all besides vinny

Chaos
12-19-2004, 02:56 PM
that would be Roy "3rd best safety in the NFC EAST" Williams

Thats what happens when you are forced to play out of position.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 02:56 PM
uh

is this a joke

vinny is actually one of the cowboys better players this year

i can think of 11 reasons why they cant win it all besides vinny
You might want to check his first half/second half splits. Just a hint.

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 02:56 PM
Going to be a tough game, but I hope they can pull it out. Leftwich needs to dominate the secondary and Taylor needs to get a lot of great runs. Stroud and Henderson need to stop the running game of Green bay as well.
Green Bay's secondary isn't that great so it can be done.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 02:56 PM
uh

is this a joke

vinny is actually one of the cowboys better players this year

i can think of 11 reasons why they cant win it all besides vinny

Watch some cowboys games. Sure, the defence has played bad, but Testaverde throws too many INTS in crucial parts of the game which ruins the momentum. 19 INTS this year.

EDIT---- please name the other 11 reasons.

MontrealCruiser_83*
12-19-2004, 02:57 PM
That type of tackle is Williams marquee move. He broke Musa Smith's ankle a few weeks back the same way and ended Calico's season during the monday night pre-season game as well.

(Graphic):
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/MDCG10211212008.jpeg

Chaos
12-19-2004, 02:57 PM
Agreed. He's a very good blitzer, and tough against the run, but often looks lost in coverage.

And thats not his game

For young for the next 10 years IMO it's a coin flip between Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.

You mean the same Sean Taylor who hasn't done jack **** this year?

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 02:57 PM
Green Bay's secondary isn't that great so it can be done.
True, but the weather is going to play a factor in that. Huge wind chill and there's snow.

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 03:00 PM
True, but the weather is going to play a factor in that. Huge wind chill and there's snow.
Yeah, Jacksonville won't be used to that for sure. But I think Leftwich can lead this team through something like this.

I love December football.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 03:00 PM
Watch some cowboys games. Sure, the defence has played bad, but Testaverde throws too many INTS in crucial parts of the game which ruins the momentum. 19 INTS this year.

EDIT---- please name the other 11 reasons.so if there was a better qb playing for the cokeboys, theyd be superbowl contenders? :lol:

the 11 reasons are their entire defense

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 03:03 PM
so if there was a better qb playing for the cokeboys, theyd be superbowl contenders? :lol:

the 11 reasons are their entire defense

Where did I say that? I think that you do not have the ability to read.

They would have won one, or maybe two more games. I NEVER said superbowl contenders. You know somebody doesn't have an arguement when they put words in your mouth. :shakehead :shakehead :shakehead :shakehead

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 03:04 PM
Testaverde is one of the main reasons that Dallas can't win at all. TOO MANY INTERCEPTIONS!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:youre right

i thought you said "dallas cant win it all"

JCD
12-19-2004, 03:05 PM
You mean the same Sean Taylor who hasn't done jack **** this year?


Sean Taylor struggled early on, but he has been pretty darn good from about week 5 on. He is a key player in the 2nd best defense in the NFL. He isn't just a passenger, 4th in tackles, 1st in INTs (4) and 1st in passes defended.

Maybe not Ed Reed territory, but far more than 'jack****'.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 03:07 PM
the vikes are about to meltdown again

FlyersGuy69
12-19-2004, 03:07 PM
This time next year he might be the 4th best. Williams is a real good player, but he's a bit overrated.
yeah, 3rd best and he's even playing out of position because of Woodson being out.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 03:09 PM
the vikes are about to meltdown again
You called it. :lol

MontrealCruiser_83*
12-19-2004, 03:09 PM
I like this Roy Williams kid (the WR). Solid performance... although it was against one of the worst secondaries in the league.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 03:09 PM
holy ****

what a play

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 03:10 PM
Extra point no good! 28-27 Minnesota! Bad snap! :lol :lol :lol

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 03:10 PM
yeah, 3rd best and he's even playing out of position because of Woodson being out.
It doesn't change the fact that he's not good at coverage. A very good hitter, a very good blitzer, and thus gets the sexy highlights. And thus he's a bit overrated.

JCD
12-19-2004, 03:11 PM
the vikes are about to meltdown again

That would be the Lions melting down actually...

Note, even if the Lions didn't f' up, the game is only tied and not won.

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 03:14 PM
I thought the PI call to put the ball on the 1 was a bit weak. Vikings manage to win though. 8-6, thats guranteed .500 and pretty much a clinched playoff spot in the NFC.

Count of DannyKristo
12-19-2004, 03:14 PM
Vikings are bad. Lions are worse.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 03:14 PM
GO JAGS GO!!!!
GO JAGS GO!!!!
GO JAGS GO!!!!

Fire Sather
12-19-2004, 03:15 PM
I loved Sam Rosen's call of that play.

"Its unbelivable, Its unbelivable!!"

GO SAM! (Rangers PBP too, gotta show the love)

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 03:15 PM
CBS needs to switch to the Jags-Packers game right now. No one wants to watch the end of a blowout.

FlyersGuy69
12-19-2004, 03:16 PM
It doesn't change the fact that he's not good at coverage. A very good hitter, a very good blitzer, and thus gets the sexy highlights. And thus he's a bit overrated.
well, I don't know what you have been watching this year because he has done very well in coverage this year. in fact, Woodson getting hurt might have been the best thing to happen to Williams developement. he made a couple of great plays today alone...one being the coverage interception on the Westbrook play.

he's already a great player and he will only get better.

JCD
12-19-2004, 03:16 PM
Vikings are bad. Lions are worse.

Bad compared to what? Sad as it may sound to you, they are still one of the better NFC teams and have a shot at 10-6.

Mathletic
12-19-2004, 03:20 PM
the Bucs quickly came back in the game after Michael Lewis opening kick TD return

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 03:22 PM
Denver run defense is supposed to be good, and they let Larry Johnson march right down the field on them. I should have started him. :shakehead

I have a bad feeling that Denver and Droughns are going to suck today.
wow look at that, 8-8 here we come :handclap:

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 03:23 PM
Jacksonville scores early, up 7-0.

Taylor with a big run and then Leftwich finds Smith for a TD.

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 03:29 PM
Geez, 3 fumbles in 2 minutes in the Jacksonville game

Burberry Manning
12-19-2004, 03:34 PM
It looks sooooo cold in Green Bay right now. Does anyone know what the temp. and wind chill is there?

guinness
12-19-2004, 03:36 PM
Bad compared to what? Sad as it may sound to you, they are still one of the better NFC teams and have a shot at 10-6.

But what's the point? They can barely beat the Lions and the NFC sucks. There's Philly, Atlanta is a distant second, then everyone else.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 03:36 PM
It looks sooooo cold in Green Bay right now. Does anyone know what the temp. and wind chill is there?
About 10 degrees out, something like -15 wind chill.

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 03:36 PM
It looks sooooo cold in Green Bay right now. Does anyone know what the temp. and wind chill is there?
I don't know, but I live in the "deep south" and its sure as hell cold down here.

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 04:05 PM
Favre and Leftwich, two of the toughest QB's in the league, are both really hurting right now.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 04:07 PM
Favre and Leftwich, two of the toughest QB's in the league, are both really hurting right now.
Since when is Leftwich one of the toughest QBs in the league? He hasn't done jack in his brief career to deserve that title.

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 04:14 PM
Since when is Leftwich one of the toughest QBs in the league? He hasn't done jack in his brief career to deserve that title.
touche

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 04:16 PM
Since when is Leftwich one of the toughest QBs in the league? He hasn't done jack in his brief career to deserve that title.uh

i guess you missed it when his lineman had to carry him downfield because he couldnt walk

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 04:17 PM
uh

i guess you missed it when his lineman had to carry him downfield because he couldnt walk
I remember that game very clearly. It was when he was in COLLEGE.

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 04:20 PM
uh

i guess you missed it when his lineman had to carry him downfield because he couldnt walk
if he was so tough why didn't he gut it out and walk? I mean he obviously could walk if he could stand and take a snap and move around in the pocket. If anything he was just being lazy, the opposite of tough.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 04:20 PM
LOL

are you saying a broken leg in college is different than a broken leg in the nfl

and that that somehow diminishes his 'toughness'

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 04:20 PM
if he was so tough why didn't he gut it out and walk? I mean he obviously could walk if he could stand and take a snap and move around in the pocket. If anything he was just being lazy, the opposite of tough.yea he was just being lazy :lol:

Burberry Manning
12-19-2004, 04:29 PM
if he was so tough why didn't he gut it out and walk? I mean he obviously could walk if he could stand and take a snap and move around in the pocket. If anything he was just being lazy, the opposite of tough.
No it was actually pretty legit. He broke his fibula I believe, and he gutted it out in the final minutes and had his linemen carry him up to his position. He was able to walk and everything but he just couldn't run or plant too firmly, so when Marshall was in the hurry-up offense they had to carry him because it was quicker than him hobbling to the line after a long pass. And he wasnt able to move around in the pocket, they had to keep him in shotgun so he could just get the snap and throw. It was pretty gutsy.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 04:29 PM
nah he was just being lazy :lol

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 04:31 PM
LOL

are you saying a broken leg in college is different than a broken leg in the nfl

and that that somehow diminishes his 'toughness'
It doesn't dimish that he is tough. It just has little bearing on his toughness in the NFL. I'm not even going to go into that he was playing against talent that is not of the caliber of NFL talent, and thus could have gotten buried had that happened in the NFL.

Burberry Manning
12-19-2004, 04:34 PM
I actually somehow see a resemblance between Leftwich and Favre. Both have a howitzer for an arm and both are extremely tough and gutsy. We really haven't seen Byron display his toughness in the NFL but then again he really hasnt had too much of a chance to show it. Though I do think you are seeing a bit of his toughness in this game. I also see the gunslinger mentality with both of them, as with a great leadership quality. I dont know, I just see a bit of similarity between Favre and Leftwich. Just a feeling

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 04:46 PM
nah he was just being lazy :lol
I'm glad everybody saw the tongue in cheek of my post

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 04:46 PM
Good game so far between JAgs and PAck.

Burberry Manning
12-19-2004, 04:52 PM
Good game so far between JAgs and PAck.
Very good. Should be an interesting second half. Jeez, whoever asked for Byron to show some toughness in the NFL is getting their wish. He is getting pounded.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 04:56 PM
Very good. Should be an interesting second half. Jeez, whoever asked for Byron to show some toughness in the NFL is getting their wish. He is getting pounded.
If you're referring to me, which you probably are, I didn't ask for him to show some toughness. I simply said that in his short career to date he hasn't shown it (the implication that he hasn't been presented with an 'opportunity' to--if you want to call playing hurt an 'opportunity'.) I did not doubt that he is tough, I simply said he hasn't shown it yet. He is doing so today.

tom_servo
12-19-2004, 05:08 PM
Anyone else really like that Christmas-themed NFL commercial (Plaxico Burress giving the ball to the young fan)?

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 05:12 PM
Titans and Raidas having a shootout in Oakland. 21-21 at the half. 3 tds for both QBs and Bennett has 2 tds including a sweet diving catch for his 2nd TD.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 05:15 PM
17-14 Packers. :banghead: :mad:

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 05:21 PM
21-17 Jags! Taylor with 114 yards on 13 rushes, with 1 TD.

The Mars Volchenkov
12-19-2004, 05:35 PM
Billy Volek seems like he could be a really solid QB in the NFL, but the Titans defense looks bad right now.

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 05:38 PM
Billy Volek seems like he could be a really solid QB in the NFL, but the Titans defense looks bad right now.
and last monday night.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 05:48 PM
Arizona beating St. Louis 31-7. St. Louis has had many chance to try and get the lead for the division but they blow it every time. A win against Arizona would give them that lead, as they have the tiebreaker over Seattle, yet it looks like they don't care.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 05:55 PM
Touchdown!!!! 28-17 Jags!

Son of Steinbrenner
12-19-2004, 05:56 PM
if he was so tough why didn't he gut it out and walk? I mean he obviously could walk if he could stand and take a snap and move around in the pocket. If anything he was just being lazy, the opposite of tough.
folks you can't make this stuff up

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 05:57 PM
folks you can't make this stuff up
you guys are so great at detecting sarcasm. Seriously, you and Anthony deserve a medal.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 05:59 PM
lazy leftwich

Count of DannyKristo
12-19-2004, 05:59 PM
Freddie T for player of the week. :)

Son of Steinbrenner
12-19-2004, 06:00 PM
you guys are so great at detecting sarcasm. Seriously, you and Anthony deserve a medal.
i'll take a medal.

honestly i didn't detect any saracasm but i'll take your word for it. i take back my response of you can't make this stuff up.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:01 PM
Mathis with his second INT!!!!

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 06:06 PM
And thats not his game

What do you mean it's not his game. He's a safety, that means that he'll actually have to play in pass coverage on occasion. Great safety's have to be able to do both.


You mean the same Sean Taylor who hasn't done jack **** this year?

I mean the Sean Taylor that plays on one of the best defense's in the NFL.

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 06:11 PM
I mean the Sean Taylor that plays on one of the best defense's in the NFL.
exactly, Sean Taylor has been up to something? What was it we don't know, but do know what he wasn't doing. What he wasn't doing was jack ****. So if he wasn't doing jack ****, he had to be doing something good.

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 06:12 PM
Bucs blow a 10 point lead against the Saints and lose 21-17. Saints are now tied for the 6th spot in the NFC. :eek:

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 06:13 PM
Donovan Darius with the clothesline .... :eek:

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 06:13 PM
yea ferguson got smoked

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 06:14 PM
Donovan Darious just clotheslined Robert Ferguson, good ol' hatchet job from the old days, to which Dierdorf got excited about. That stuff was common back when he played.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:14 PM
Donovan Darius with the clothesline .... :eek:
I hope Ferguson will be well.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:15 PM
Darius ejected.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 06:15 PM
He got EJECTED?!?! Larry Wilson is vomiting somewhere over that.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 06:16 PM
also when ronnie lott played

Mathletic
12-19-2004, 06:18 PM
!(/"&$!"(*/()*$/?%%"/&$!")!/"!*"/%&"(?/" Damn Bucs can't frikin win !!!!!!!!!!! "/$"$?& :madfire: :madfire: :madfire:

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 06:20 PM
He got EJECTED?!?! Larry Wilson is vomiting somewhere over that.

Agreed, it should have been a 15 yarder, but no more.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:21 PM
Jags get the ball!!!!! Nice Grant!

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 06:21 PM
Holy ****! Driver just got that ball ripped from him. What a play!

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 06:22 PM
oh man

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 06:22 PM
If Denny Green doesn't **** around with the QB's in Arizona, they might be leading the NFC West.

tom_servo
12-19-2004, 06:23 PM
This Packers game is nuts.

monster_bertuzzi
12-19-2004, 06:27 PM
I still cant get over how awfull the Seahawks defence is without Simmons, Wistrom, and Taylor.

PredsFan77*
12-19-2004, 06:29 PM
I was sitting pretty in my football pool until Favre threw two horrible passes.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:31 PM
Yeah, I have Favre in one of my pools, but I really don't care because the Jags are winning!

guinness
12-19-2004, 06:33 PM
When was the last time one of the conferences (NFC or AFC) was as poor as the NFC of 2004? Only 5 teams have winning records, I think parity is usually a good thing, but this is pathetic.

tom_servo
12-19-2004, 06:37 PM
Heehee. Favre's reaction after hitting the official was priceless.

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 06:39 PM
If Denny Green doesn't **** around with the QB's in Arizona, they might be leading the NFC West.

If the Cardinals could beat the worst team in the league (my 49ers :( ) when they played they could be tied for the wild card or leading the divison.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:39 PM
Why?????/ 28-25 jags.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 06:40 PM
Stat of the week: Drew Brees had 6 attempts. And no, another QB did not play.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:42 PM
Jags have the ball on the onside kick!

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 06:43 PM
When was the last time one of the conferences (NFC or AFC) was as poor as the NFC of 2004? Only 5 teams have winning records, I think parity is usually a good thing, but this is pathetic.

actually just 4

tom_servo
12-19-2004, 06:43 PM
Awesome game. Nothing beats winter football.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:43 PM
28-25 win for Jaguars! Great game, definately the best of the week (for me atleast). Great action.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:46 PM
Wildcard race in AFC is really interesting. Jets at 10-4 virtually have the first wildcard spot locked up. Then there is Baltimore at 8-5 (play Indy tonight), and the Bronco's, Bill's, and JAg's at 8-6. (Jag's are in front of the Bills and Bronco's due to the head-to-head tiebreaker.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 06:49 PM
Go Colts tonight, beat the Ravens.

TVanek26*
12-19-2004, 06:59 PM
Jags are so overrated....Ahman Green is returning to his butterfinger stages.

Anyway,Bills are streaking,and I know I said Pittsburgh may play backups last game and Buffalo may win,I retract that statement.....I now believe if Pittsburgh plays starters,Bills will win.McGahee had a bad day,but he didn't need to...(also hurt a little bit)

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 07:03 PM
I don't understand why Bills fans think the Steelers might play backups. Unless New England loses next week (vs the Jets, so that might happen), the Steelers are going to play their starters, as they have to win out to assure home field advantage. Both games in Week 17 are at 1pm, so Bills fans you better pray for the Jets to beat the Pats in Week 16 in order for there to be a chance that the Steelers sit anyone.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 07:04 PM
how are the jags overrated

people hardly talk about them

Fish on The Sand
12-19-2004, 07:05 PM
I don't understand why Bills fans think the Steelers might play backups. Unless New England loses next week (vs the Jets, so that might happen), the Steelers are going to play their starters, as they have to win out to assure home field advantage. Both games in Week 17 are at 1pm, so Bills fans you better pray for the Jets to beat the Pats in Week 16 in order for there to be a chance that the Steelers sit anyone.
No respect for the Phins :lol

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 07:11 PM
No respect for the Phins :lol
Que? Miami doesn't factor into any of this.

TVanek26*
12-19-2004, 07:11 PM
I don't understand why Bills fans think the Steelers might play backups. Unless New England loses next week (vs the Jets, so that might happen), the Steelers are going to play their starters, as they have to win out to assure home field advantage. Both games in Week 17 are at 1pm, so Bills fans you better pray for the Jets to beat the Pats in Week 16 in order for there to be a chance that the Steelers sit anyone.

Ever think that Buffalo can beat Pittsburgh with them using starters?But of course not,Buffalo has been getting lucky the past 5 weeks,right?:rolleyes:


I will say this,did Chad Johnson play?With him saying Buffalo's defense couldn't stop him,I'm wondering if he even caught a ball.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 07:13 PM
Ever think that Buffalo can beat Pittsburgh with them using starters?But of course not,Buffalo has been getting lucky the past 5 weeks,right?:rolleyes:I never said anything about any of that in my post. I was simply addressing the notion that the Steelers will not dress all their starters. Care to actually respond to what I was saying?

I will say this,did Chad Johnson play?With him saying Buffalo's defense couldn't stop him,I'm wondering if he even caught a ball.
He had 2 catches. Bills did an excellent job of shutting him down.

tom_servo
12-19-2004, 07:25 PM
The Steelers will dress every starter that's available, assuming they need a win to secure home field. However, they won't play anyone hurt that game.

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 07:30 PM
Jags aren't overrated. As someone mentioned before, no one talks about them. They are a young team who has done better than expected this season. :teach:

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 07:31 PM
Jags aren't overrated. As someone mentioned before, no one talks about them. They are a young team who has done better than expected this season. :teach:
Have they? A lot of people expected big things out of them. To some they've done better than expected, but to others they're doing below expectations.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 07:38 PM
Anyone who doesn't think that Ray Lewis has dropped off this year (note: he's still an excellent player), that reception by James leads the highlights. Poor positioning, didn't get a chance to tackle him.

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 07:40 PM
Anyone who doesn't think that Ray Lewis has dropped off this year (note: he's still an excellent player), that reception by James leads the highlights. Poor positioning, didn't get a chance to tackle him.

Agreed, still the best MLB, but not playing to the incredible level he played at for the last 5-6 years.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 07:42 PM
Agreed, still the best MLB, but not playing to the incredible level he played at for the last 5-6 years.
Oh, absolutely. I've said it before here... he's not the player he was, but no one has dethroned him as the best MLB/ILB in the game yet. He's dropped off a bit, but he's still the best. James Farrior is having a great year, but one great year after a career of solid but certainly not great play doesn't make him the best.

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 07:42 PM
Ravens drop 2 gimme interceptions in the endzone.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 07:42 PM
Have they? A lot of people expected big things out of them. To some they've done better than expected, but to others they're doing below expectations.i dont think a whole lot of people expected big things of them

they were 5-11 last year

i, personally, expected atleast 8-8 this year, and it looks like theyre right on track

theyre a good young team and should be superbowl contenders in a year or two imo

Vic Rattlehead*
12-19-2004, 07:44 PM
Have they? A lot of people expected big things out of them. To some they've done better than expected, but to others they're doing below expectations.

What the hell did some expect? 8-8 would seem about right. Personally, I didn't expect the Jags to get past 7-9. I am very happy with the way the played this year, and would be estatic if they made the playoffs.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 07:45 PM
i dont think a whole lot of people expected big things of themWhat? Where were you at the beginning of the year? The Jaguars were *the* sexy pick for "out of nowhere team" to make the playoffs.

I didn't... I'll find our predictions here to show that I didn't... but a bunch of people everywhere were high on them.

EDIT: turns out I didn't explain anything. but I did have them at 6-10...

Mathletic
12-19-2004, 08:27 PM
What? Where were you at the beginning of the year? The Jaguars were *the* sexy pick for "out of nowhere team" to make the playoffs.

I didn't... I'll find our predictions here to show that I didn't... but a bunch of people everywhere were high on them.

EDIT: turns out I didn't explain anything. but I did have them at 6-10...

I said they would make the playoffs at the end of last year and at least 3 other people made the same call. I think it came after the game against the Patriots or Bucs

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 08:28 PM
I said they would make the playoffs at the end of last year and at least 3 other people made the same call. I think it came after the game against the Patriots or Bucs
Thanks, but I wasn't talking about people on HFBoards, I was talking about actual football writers and analysists.

The Guy on the Couch*
12-19-2004, 09:37 PM
There's 1. McAllister got burnt.

Joe T Choker
12-19-2004, 09:47 PM
stover = idiot

ObeySteve
12-19-2004, 09:55 PM
....Not even Ogden can handle Dwight Freeney's speed....

:confused:

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 10:13 PM
harrington cried after the lions lost :lol:

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 10:15 PM
harrington cried after the lions lost :lol:
Did you see tears? 'Cause he had the flu and looked (physically) terrible all day. He also played a hell of a game, if I'm Mariucci I'm hiding Joey's Advil.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 10:20 PM
i never saw it, but thats what people are saying

im also a joey hater too...

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 10:20 PM
i never saw it, but thats what people are saying

im also a joey hater too...
How can one be a hater of a player who sucks and isn't even liked by his own fans?

The Guy on the Couch*
12-19-2004, 10:22 PM
If the Ravens had a decent WR their offense might be pretty good. Boller throws it to Heap every single play.

TO anyone?

tom_servo
12-19-2004, 10:23 PM
If the Ravens had a decent WR their offense might be pretty good. Boller throws it to Heap every single play.

TO anyone?

I'm sure, but Boller has been throwing it behind his receivers quite a few times today.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 10:29 PM
The idiot kicker must have been liquored up.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 10:31 PM
The idiot kicker must have been liquored up.haha

i was just thinking the same thing

The Guy on the Couch*
12-19-2004, 10:31 PM
I was hoping Peyton would of gotten a TD on that last drive. And then when they had the ball with 30 seconds left, he would fake a kneel down and throw it deep for the record breaking TD.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 10:32 PM
holy christ

what a play

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 10:33 PM
Dwight Freeny is going for the sack record in this game alone. He's making Odgen look like a rookie backup, it's unbelievable.

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 10:33 PM
Jamal Lewis on that 4th down... :bow: :bow:

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 10:35 PM
Dwight Freeny is going for the sack record in this game alone. He's making Odgen look like a rookie backup, it's unbelievable.

Playing on the fast turf in Indy helps Freeny far more than it helps the Colts offense.

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 10:36 PM
Playing on the fast turf in Indy helps Freeny far more than it helps the Colts offense.
Yup. He's absolutely flying. It's fun to watch. It's entirely possible he could get 20 sacks this year.

Joe T Choker
12-19-2004, 10:37 PM
This Colts defense will never win a Championship

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 10:38 PM
their offense might ;)

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 10:40 PM
Boller sucks .....

Joe T Choker
12-19-2004, 10:40 PM
theyre offense might ;)

not if they keep on getting run over by running backs like Jamal Lewis and Co.

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 10:43 PM
not if they keep on getting run over by running backs like Jamal Lewis and Co.

Cant really fault them a lot for that, especially considering this isnt the first time Jamal Lewis has run all over a defense. I mean he did get over 100 against Washington, the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL.

Joe T Choker
12-19-2004, 10:45 PM
just remember Brady + Dillon + Pats' D + Bellichik = own Colts

Roethlisberger + Bettis & Duce Staley + Steelers' D = own Colts

Colts can't win in the winter time outside of their cozy RCA Dome

Dr Love
12-19-2004, 10:48 PM
just remember Brady + Dillon + Pats' D + Bellichik = own Colts

Roethlisberger + Bettis & Duce Staley + Steelers' D = own Colts

Colts can't win in the winter time outside of their cozy RCA Dome
I was unware that the Colts had played, and lost to, the Steelers this year. I checked their schedule and it didn't say they played them either.

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 10:49 PM
just remember Brady + Dillon + Pats' D + Bellichik = own Colts

Roethlisberger + Bettis & Duce Staley + Steelers' D = own Colts

Colts can't win in the winter time outside of their cozy RCA Dome

They won't be favored but they did:

Beat the Chiefs in K.C last year, in the cold

Even with Manning playing awful, still had the ball with a chance to win on the last possesion.

With poole out for the year and Law still questionable, the Pats could be vulnerable. The Steelers have proven in recent years that they're no lock to win home playoff games. If the Colts can score early, it could render that runnign game useless, forcing Big Ben to put the game on his shoulders.

The Colts will at minimum have a punchers chance in any game they play.

ATG
12-19-2004, 10:50 PM
They won't be favored but they did:

Beat the Chiefs in K.C last year, in the cold

Even with Manning playing awful, still had the ball with a chance to win on the last possesion.

With poole out for the year and Law still questionable, the Pats could be vulnerable. The Steelers have proven in recent years that they're no lock to win home playoff games. If the Colts can score early, it could render that runnign game useless, forcing Big Ben to put the game on his shoulders.

The Colts will at minimum have a punchers chance in any game they play.

You mean that shootout against the worst D in the league?

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 10:51 PM
just remember Brady + Dillon + Pats' D + Bellichik = own Colts

Roethlisberger + Bettis & Duce Staley + Steelers' D = own Colts

Colts can't win in the winter time outside of their cozy RCA Dome

I remember them doing it last year in KC in January and in Tennessee in December so they were out of the dome there. And Roethlisberger's elite group of receivers will be more of a factor beating the Colts than Ben will. Especially the way his team can win when he throws two picks against the Jets and threw it to two Giants yesteday.

John Flyers Fan
12-19-2004, 10:56 PM
You mean that shootout against the worst D in the league?


Was it outside and in the cold ??? ... Thought so. Thank you.

Anthony*
12-19-2004, 10:59 PM
jeez

people try anything and everything to discredit the colts :shakehead

Jared Ramsden
12-19-2004, 11:02 PM
Extra point no good! 28-27 Minnesota! Bad snap! :lol :lol :lol

Unreal. Only the Lions can do such a thing :shakehead I didn't think it was humanly possible to snap a ball that bad. He couldn't even get it off the ground :banghead:

ATG
12-19-2004, 11:06 PM
Unreal. Only the Lions can do such a thing :shakehead I didn't think it was humanly possible to snap a ball that bad. He couldn't even get it off the ground :banghead:

Don't you remember last year when the Saints pulled that crazy miracle finish where they lateraled it like 5 times just to have Carney miss a cleanly snapped PAT.That was 100 times worse

ATG
12-19-2004, 11:10 PM
Was it outside and in the cold ??? ... Thought so. Thank you.

So the Colts won a game in the cold in KC of all places they must have had those long jackets on in that KC cold makes Green Bay and New England weather look civilized :shakehead .If they beat the Pats in New England then they have accomplished something

ObeySteve
12-19-2004, 11:14 PM
Well, I think it's official that this is your Godly, All-Pro defensive line for this season:

DE- Dwight Freeney
DT- Shaun Rogers
DT- Kevin Williams
DE- Julius Peppers

Hockeyfan02
12-19-2004, 11:32 PM
If they beat the Pats in New England then they have accomplished something

Then no one else in the league has accomplished anything in the last 2 years....

Gibsons Finest
12-19-2004, 11:52 PM
Dwight Freeny is going for the sack record in this game alone. He's making Odgen look like a rookie backup, it's unbelievable.

Speaking of which, what is the sack record?

Gibsons Finest
12-19-2004, 11:53 PM
Well, I think it's official that this is your Godly, All-Pro defensive line for this season:

DE- Dwight Freeney
DT- Shaun Rogers
DT- Kevin Williams
DE- Julius Peppers

That also happens to be 1/2 of my defensive line in the mock draft. Sweet.

PK*
12-20-2004, 12:01 AM
Speaking of which, what is the sack record?22.5 by Strahan in 2001.

MLH
12-20-2004, 12:13 AM
Que? Miami doesn't factor into any of this.

Yes, they do. A Phin win over NE isn't less meaningful than a Jet win over NE.

Anyways, Bills roll again and a victory over SF locks up the 2nd best record in NFL history for a team that started 0-4. I think we'll beat Pittsburgh in Buffalo with or without starters if it has playoff implications.

GKJ
12-20-2004, 12:40 AM
The Cardnals spank the Rams and at 5-9 can still win the division. Imagine if they didn't start playing with their QB's when they were 4-5 and they didn't lose to the 49ers....twice

Hockeyfan02
12-20-2004, 12:52 AM
they didn't lose to the 49ers....twice

My two lone highlights of the year. :(

ObeySteve
12-20-2004, 05:47 AM
22.5 by Strahan in 2001.

Well, that's the record since they started actually keeping track of it about 25 years ago.

Chaos
12-20-2004, 09:47 AM
I mean the Sean Taylor that plays on one of the best defense's in the NFL.

Ebenezer Ekuban played on the NFL's #1 ranked defense last year. So did Willie Blade. Doesn't mean a damn thing.

Dr Love
12-20-2004, 09:56 AM
Ebenezer Ekuban played on the NFL's #1 ranked defense last year. So did Willie Blade. Doesn't mean a damn thing.
Neither one of them were reasons why the defense was #1. Sean Taylor IS a reason why the Redskins defense is so good.

JCD
12-20-2004, 10:00 AM
Ebenezer Ekuban played on the NFL's #1 ranked defense last year. So did Willie Blade. Doesn't mean a damn thing.

It does when the players is among the team leaders in tackles, leading them in INTs and leading them in passes defended.

Fire Sather
12-20-2004, 02:49 PM
Eagles press conference at 4 oclock.. can't be good.

Hockeyfan02
12-20-2004, 03:05 PM
Eagles press conference at 4 oclock.. can't be good.

Its Monday. Every coach has a press conference during the day so it might be Reid doing his usual interview.

Fire Sather
12-20-2004, 03:10 PM
Owens fractured fibula.. outside shot at the SB. They also have to stick a screw in his ankle, which is the reason why hes not going to play. Also odd is that theres no ligerment damage.

Chaos
12-20-2004, 03:15 PM
Owens fractured fibula.. outside shot at the SB.

Looking forward to watching the Eagles lose in the NFC Championship for the 4th year in a row now ;)

Dr Love
12-20-2004, 03:19 PM
Looking forward to watching the Eagles lose in the NFC Championship for the 4th year in a row now ;)
Even though I'm not much of an Eagles fan, I couldn't pass on this one...


HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS?

Chaos
12-20-2004, 03:21 PM
Even though I'm not much of an Eagles fan, I couldn't pass on this one...


HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS?

5 Super Bowl trophies. Thanks.

Fire Sather
12-20-2004, 03:21 PM
5 Super Bowl trophies. Thanks.

Don't bring up the past. Doesnt matter now. Thanks.

Chaos
12-20-2004, 03:22 PM
Also, I guess this means Todd "I won't catch the ball if I think I'm gonna get hit" Pinkston will see more playing time. That guy has got to be hearing it from his teammates right now. 2 weeks in a row :lol .

Chaos
12-20-2004, 03:22 PM
Don't bring up the past. Doesnt matter now. Thanks.

Sure it matters, especially when I hear Eagles fans always talking about how they are just so much better. Win a Super Bowl or 5 and then I might pay attention to you. Originality. Thanks.

Hockeyfan02
12-20-2004, 03:24 PM
5 Super Bowl trophies. Thanks.

Thats the only thing us 49ers and Cowboys fans can cling to right now.

Chaos
12-20-2004, 03:24 PM
Thats the only thing us 49ers and Cowboys fans can cling to right now.

Sad but true. But at least you guys have the #1 pick to look forward to ;) .

Fire Sather
12-20-2004, 03:25 PM
Originality. Thanks.

You dont come back with the "Thanks" after I already mocked it. Your boys suck now and have no QB for next year... while the Eagles have a QB for 10 years.