2005 NFL Draft Order

The last two picks will be the AFC/NFC champs, so that will be subject to change. I believe the 2nd round is correct. If I recall correctly, if there are say 4 teams with the same record that select A-B-C-D in the first round, in the second round those four picks will be B-C-D-A. There will be a coin flip between Dallas and the NY Giants for the 11th/12th overall pick.

Round 1:

1. San Francisco
2. Miami
3. Cleveland
4. Chicago
5. Tampa Bay
6. Tennessee
7. Oakland
8. Arizona
9. Washington
10. Detroit
11. Dallas
12. San Diego via NY Giants
13. Houston
14. Carolina
15. Kansas City
16. New Orleans
17. Cincinnati
18. Minnesota
19. St. Louis
20. Dallas via Buffalo
21. Jacksonville
22. Baltimore
23. Seattle
24. Green Bay
25. Denver
26. NY Jets
27. Atlanta
28. San Diego
29. Indianapolis
30. New England
31. Philadelphia
32. Pittsburgh

Round 2:

33. San Francisco
34. Cleveland
35. Philadelphia via Miami
36. Tampa Bay
37. Tennessee
38. Oakland
39. Chicago
40. New Orleans via Washington
41. Detroit
42. Dallas
43. NY Giants
44. Arizona
45. Carolina
46. Kansas City
47. Houston
48. Cincinnati
49. Minnesota
50. St. Louis
51. Green Bay via New Orleans
52. Jacksonville
53. Baltimore
54. Seattle
55. Buffalo
56. Denver
57. NY Jets
58. Green Bay
59. Atlanta
60. Indianapolis
61. San Diego
62. New England
63. Philadelphia
64. Pittsburgh

With the #7 pick I would try and get a good QB of the future....... But hey with the Raiders anything is possible these days... :shakehead

With the #7 pick I would try and get a good QB of the future....... But hey with the Raiders anything is possible these days... :shakehead

It all depends on what Leinart and Rodgers do. Rodgers seems very likely to opt in at this point, somebody had him quoted as saying something along the lines of "The opportunity to support my family is very appealing". He's a northern California native and grew up a 49er fan, so that would seem like a very PR friendly pick at #1.

Niners GM Terry Donahue was asked what the thought about Matt Leinart if available, and he responded that he didn't think Leinart is as good as Carson Palmer was two years ago. But Donahue also admitted that he "hasn't done all his homework" yet on draft prospects.

If both guys opt in, the Raiders might see one fall to them at #7. Not sure if Miami/Cleveland have higher priorities at this point.

Not to get greedy, but if the Giants had lost last night, the Chargers would have had a 1st round pick in the Top 10 :eek: Not that picking at #12 is that bad. Should have a shot at a Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams. I hope to god that U. Of Georgia's Thomas Davis is still there at #10 for the Lions because they DESPERATELY need a play making safety.

let's hope Derrick Johnson falls to the Bucs

by the way should I start a thread right away for a mock draft ?

I don't have a clue what the Titans need...I guess we'll probably try picking up a DL/OL

Not to get greedy, but if the Giants had lost last night, the Chargers would have had a 1st round pick in the Top 10 :eek:

I think the pick would have ended up being #7.......but oh well. The Chargers haven't exactly had the best track record of signing top 5 picks without prolonged holdouts.

At #12, I'd be liking Thomas Davis as well. Chargers could use a stud DE; Marcus Spears is the name that most Chargers' fans have been thinking about with the pick.

by the way should I start a thread right away for a mock draft ?

I was waiting for you to do so! I claim Chargers :D

Although you might want to wait a couple weeks (or just start filling in who's picking for who) so the underclassmen can opt in.

[QUOTE=Brodeur]I think the pick would have ended up being #7.......but oh well. The Chargers haven't exactly had the best track record of signing top 5 picks without prolonged holdouts.

At #12, I'd be liking Thomas Davis as well. Chargers could use a stud DE; Marcus Spears is the name that most Chargers' fans have been thinking about with the pick.


Davis would be a good fit in San Diego too. Wilson is OK, but he's nothing special, and he's getting older. Jammer, Florence, Davis, Kiel and Davis would be a very formidable secondary. Spears from what I've read and heard about him would be an excellent fit in a team that plays a 3-4 defence such as San Diego. SD gets a lot of pressure on QB's from the LB's, but I think adding a stud pass rushing lineman such as Spears would make the defence even better. Spears, Ohlansky and Williams wouldn't be a bad front 3.......Either way, SD having two first round picks is an added bonus to the awesome year they've had.....And when there is a mock draft set up, pencil me in for Detroit :D

Davis would be a good fit in San Diego too. Wilson is OK, but he's nothing special, and he's getting older. Jammer, Florence, Davis, Kiel and Davis would be a very formidable secondary. Spears from what I've read and heard about him would be an excellent fit in a team that plays a 3-4 defence such as San Diego. SD gets a lot of pressure on QB's from the LB's, but I think adding a stud pass rushing lineman such as Spears would make the defence even better. Spears, Ohlansky and Williams wouldn't be a bad front 3.......Either way, SD having two first round picks is an added bonus to the awesome year they've had.....And when there is a mock draft set up, pencil me in for Detroit :D

Wilson is usually the first guy I get rid of in year 2 of my Madden franchise. We have a young secondary, so I've been thinking it might be more beneficial to sign a good veteran FS.

Donahue also had a good quote about how there isn't a franchise player available this year, so he doubts that he'll get flooded by offers for the #1 pick.

Travis Henry might have an impact on the first round. Whichever team acquires him probably would pass on taking a RB.

The Panthers need help on the O-Line.

I'm looking forward to the Bucs having the #5 pick. I wonder which direction they are going to go.

Anybody got something to read about who's who and stuff?

I'm always really lost when it comes to the NFL draft. I don't follow it anywhere near as close as I follow the NHL draft.

The bears need a new offense. I hope they go for Williams or Edwards. God knows we need a deep threat downfield.

Cowboys need defensive help. They won't get a CB through the draft, better to get a verteran CB. DE, DT, and LB will certainly interest the Cowboys. As for the Jags, I hope they can get a DE, we're really thin at that position.

Anybody got something to read about who's who and stuff?

I'm always really lost when it comes to the NFL draft. I don't follow it anywhere near as close as I follow the NHL draft.
http://footballsfuture.com/

Thanks.

www.nfldraftcountdown.com is the site i always check out. nflfans.com is a good one too...........

The Losman trade isn't as bad as it was earlier this year....we trade a 2nd and a 5th to virtually use our 1st a year early....not bad.

Rams need a playmaker on defence Antrell Rolle or Derrick Johnson is a very good pick. Also trading to get another high 1st roudner to draft a Left Tackle is important.

the Cowboys #1 draft pick from Buffalo will be the 18th pick not 20th. both the Rams and Vikes made the playoffs.

so the will have the 11th and 18th overall.

the Cowboys #1 draft pick from Buffalo will be the 18th pick not 20th. both the Rams and Vikes made the playoffs.

so the will have the 11th and 18th overall.

Thanks for the correction. There won't be a coinflip for #11/12 because the Cowboys lost twice to the Giants.

Get your mock on!

let's hope Derrick Johnson falls to the Bucs

by the way should I start a thread right away for a mock draft ?

Who do you think the Bucs will chose?

Not to get greedy, but if the Giants had lost last night, the Chargers would have had a 1st round pick in the Top 10 :eek: Not that picking at #12 is that bad. Should have a shot at a Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams. I hope to god that U. Of Georgia's Thomas Davis is still there at #10 for the Lions because they DESPERATELY need a play making safety.


The Lions need guard help too. And i dont think there is a safety worthy of the 10th pick. They might also need tackle help depending on McDougle. And ofcourse De is still a huge need.

Bucs will pick a Reciever they need another playmaker on offence other then Micheal Clayton or maybe a back. THere defence is still good, but there offense needs to be jolted.

The Lions need guard help too. And i dont think there is a safety worthy of the 10th pick. They might also need tackle help depending on McDougle. And ofcourse De is still a huge need.


Lions need a QB as well, maybe not replace Harrington (yet), but a decent vet QB that will push him along more, as their other QB's aren't good enough to do so. Warner might come cheap, and if Joey slips again, he will get a shot at starting. With a heathy Rodgers, Williams, and Jones, Harrington is running out of time to step up and play.

Lions need a QB as well, maybe not replace Harrington (yet), but a decent vet QB that will push him along more, as their other QB's aren't good enough to do so. Warner might come cheap, and if Joey slips again, he will get a shot at starting. With a heathy Rodgers, Williams, and Jones, Harrington is running out of time to step up and play.


I think we'll see someone like a Brad Johnson come in as a back up and maybe draft a QB in the 6th or 7th round. I still hope the Lions trade down and pick up more picks because while there are holes i dont know if i can see paying a OG or S top 10 money. Especially with all the money already invested in so many early choices.

Joey H also needs to restructure his contract. The Lions can not afford to have him as a 10 million dollar cap number.

Lions need a QB as well, maybe not replace Harrington (yet), but a decent vet QB that will push him along more, as their other QB's aren't good enough to do so. Warner might come cheap, and if Joey slips again, he will get a shot at starting. With a heathy Rodgers, Williams, and Jones, Harrington is running out of time to step up and play.

Kurt Warner has stated many times he does not want to be a backup QB. IMO he will go to a place where he will start, possibly Arizona they have a wide receiver crop which is so young and full of potential in Bolding and Fitzgerald, and also a good 3rd option in Bryant Johnson.

Detroits Oline is good they don't give up many sacks, and they create holes for the RB. They need a saftey because Brock Marion is getting old. Smart move would be to do what they did last year in ripping off Cleavland to gain additional picks. They got the fire power on offence to be a playoff team next year.

Best bet for the 49ers is to trade down also to gain additional picks this year and next year.

Oakland needed a QB last year and opted to go for Robert Gallery even though I felt they should of taken Big Ben. There O line was good and full of depth to begin with. I think if Mike Williams is on the board snatch him.

I'm praying to see Tennessee get their hands on D. Johnson.

I think we'll see someone like a Brad Johnson come in as a back up and maybe draft a QB in the 6th or 7th round. I still hope the Lions trade down and pick up more picks because while there are holes i dont know if i can see paying a OG or S top 10 money. Especially with all the money already invested in so many early choices.

Joey H also needs to restructure his contract. The Lions can not afford to have him as a 10 million dollar cap number.

I think trading down would be a good thing to do, especially if Davis is off the board, because then OG and S would be too much of a reach at 10, unless they go for a DE, which would be OK, but isin't totally necessary I think. If they can snag an extra first day pick, that would be grand.

If the Redskins had lost to the Vikings last week and ended up 5-11, where would they have been in the draft?

Round 1:

4. Chicago
5. Tampa Bay
6. Tennessee
7. Oakland


Is this confirmed to be true? I was trying to figure the tiebreaking procedures between these clubs (since two are AFC and two are NFC), and it seemed like conference record would be the first one since neither team faced all three of the others. By that, Oakland and Tennessee were 3-9 while Chicago and the Bucs were 4-8. Then I guessed that it would be Tennessee at #4 since the Raiders beat them in their only meeting. Not that there is a whole lot of difference in 4 through 7, but I'd like to know for sure.

Is this confirmed to be true?
Yes. Strength of schedule is the tiebreaker.

Yes. Strength of schedule is the tiebreaker.

Crap. I could see any of Chicago, T.B, or Tennessee drafting a young QB. I know Volek had a good run, but would the Titans really turn the reigns over to him full-time? The Bucs situation is a mess as Griese isn't a long-term answer and Simms is unproven at best, and are the Bears really that high on Grossman?

Crap. I could see any of Chicago, T.B, or Tennessee drafting a young QB.
I don't see Tennessee doing it this year, or Chicago. Tampa, maybe, maybe not, only Gruden really knows.

I know Volek had a good run, but would the Titans really turn the reigns over to him full-time? The Bucs situation is a mess as Griese isn't a long-term answer and Simms is unproven at best, and are the Bears really that high on Grossman?
Yes, Griese for the short term, and yes.

Yes, Griese for the short term, and yes.

Well then, that all works out well for us. Except that the Raiders may just stick with Collins and not go QB at all...

Well then, that all works out well for us. Except that the Raiders may just stick with Collins and not go QB at all...
I would think the Raiders would go with Collins. Al Davis doesn't go with first round QBs. Except Marinovich, and I think that was probably the nail in the coffin for that. I don't think SF will. Miami might now that Saban has full control (which was dumb of the Dolphins to do), Cleveland probably will, but who knows.

I would think the Raiders would go with Collins. Al Davis doesn't go with first round QBs. Except Marinovich, and I think that was probably the nail in the coffin for that. I don't think SF will. Miami might now that Saban has full control (which was dumb of the Dolphins to do), Cleveland probably will, but who knows.

Any of Benson (probably not around at #7), Williams, or Edwards would help the offense more than a QB. I'm hoping that's the route they go.. especially if they can't keep Porter.

the Cowboys #1 draft pick from Buffalo will be the 18th pick not 20th.
Nice to see that Parcells traded his #22 pick from last year for a #18 pick this year. What a waste.

Nice to see that Parcells traded his #22 pick from last year for a #18 pick this year. What a waste.

They did get Julius Jones out of the deal. For argument's sake, I suppose it would come down to Stephen Jackson vs. Julius Jones and whoever Dallas drafts this year.

Nice to see that Parcells traded his #22 pick from last year for a #18 pick this year. What a waste.

You're kidding right? It was a great trade. We got another first rounder, and still got our RB of the future in Julius Jones. I'm not saying he will be better the Jackson, no one knows that, but if you watched any Cowboys games, you would have seen Jones and how well he played. I don't believe you are thinking this through.

You're kidding right? It was a great trade. We got another first rounder, and still got our RB of the future in Julius Jones. I'm not saying he will be better the Jackson, no one knows that, but if you watched any Cowboys games, you would have seen Jones and how well he played. I don't believe you are thinking this through.

I think he didn't know the full trade, or that the Cowboys used the 2nd rounder last year from Buffalo for Jones.

The last two picks will be the AFC/NFC champs, so that will be subject to change. I believe the 2nd round is correct. If I recall correctly, if there are say 4 teams with the same record that select A-B-C-D in the first round, in the second round those four picks will be B-C-D-A. There will be a coin flip between Dallas and the NY Giants for the 11th/12th overall pick.

Round 1:

1. San Francisco
2. Miami
3. Cleveland
4. Chicago
5. Tampa Bay
6. Tennessee
7. Oakland
8. Arizona
9. Washington
10. Detroit
11. Dallas
12. San Diego via NY Giants
13. Houston
14. Carolina
15. Kansas City
16. New Orleans
17. Cincinnati
18. Minnesota
19. St. Louis
20. Dallas via Buffalo
21. Jacksonville
22. Baltimore
23. Seattle
24. Green Bay
25. Denver
26. NY Jets
27. Atlanta
28. San Diego
29. Indianapolis
30. New England
31. Philadelphia
32. Pittsburgh

At 18-22, you have it wrong. It should be:
18. Dallas (vis Buffalo)
19. Jacksonville
20. Baltimore
21. Minnesota
22. St. Louis

At 18-22, you have it wrong. It should be:
18. Dallas (vis Buffalo)
19. Jacksonville
20. Baltimore
21. Minnesota
22. St. LouisNo, he has it right (well, Philly and NE should be flip flopped, but they're not set in stone so it doesn't really matter). You're incorrect.

No, he has it right (well, Philly and NE should be flip flopped, but they're not set in stone so it doesn't really matter). You're incorrect.
I've seen in the news that this was the order, that seeds #1-20 are set in stone because they didn't make the playoffs.

I've seen in the news that this was the order, that seeds #1-20 are set in stone because they didn't make the playoffs.
Well they were wrong too. In case you had any doubts...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8063536

I think he didn't know the full trade, or that the Cowboys used the 2nd rounder last year from Buffalo for Jones.
Living in Dallas, I've read more about this trade than you'll know. It wasn't a great trade. They could have gotten Jones and also used their 1st rounder last year by moving their 2nd round pick up some in a smaller, less costly trade.

Instead, they delayed the 1st rounder to this year in exchange for a 2nd and a 5th last year. That's not a great trade, and it's not good strategy. By delaying the pick, they delayed a year of development and they also delayed knowing if they've found a player to fill a hole. No more questions were answered.

And as a correction, the Dallas pick from Buffalo is #20. They traded a 2004 #22 for a 2005 #20. What a move!

And a second rounder and a fifth rounder from last year.
Which I talked about the paragraph above what you quoted. Still, they chose to delay a pick for a year in order to get two others. That says to me they were throwing in the towel on this season by not wanting to fill as many holes as they could. The signing and continual playing of Vinny proved it was a lost season.

Does anyone know where to find the strength of schedule for the NFL teams?

Does anyone know where to find the strength of schedule for the NFL teams?

http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

Which I talked about the paragraph above what you quoted. Still, they chose to delay a pick for a year in order to get two others. That says to me they were throwing in the towel on this season by not wanting to fill as many holes as they could. The signing and continual playing of Vinny proved it was a lost season.

It's always a gamble to delay your pick a year. After Buffalo's dismal start, that pick seemed certain to be in the top 10.

I doubt the Cowboys braintrust was throwing in the towel at the draft. Unless there's a link otherwise, I can only assume that they had Jones graded as high as Stephen Jackson and that they knew they could drop down a few spots, get Jones and a future pick.

Of the guys selected between Jackson and Jones, I don't think any of those guys would have made a huge impact in turning the Cowboys' season around.

Steven Jackson, Ahmad Carroll, Chris Perry, Jason Babin, Chris Gamble, Michael Jenkins, Kevin Jones, Rashaun Woods, Ben Watson, Karlos Dansby, Chris Snee, Igor Olshansky, Junior Siavii, Teddy Lehman, Ricardo Colclough, Daryl Smith, Ben Troupe, Tatum Bell, Travis LaBoy.

There are some nice names on defense on that list, but I don't see the difference between a 6-10 club and say an 8-8 team if the Cowboys had any of those guys instead of Julius Jones (injuries aside).

There are some nice names on defense on that list, but I don't see the difference between a 6-10 club and say an 8-8 team if the Cowboys had any of those guys instead of Julius Jones (injuries aside).
You're right. I'm not saying that player would have made enough of a difference to win now, but what I'm saying is that player would be a 2nd year player going into next year. Instead with the two first rounders they pick, they'll be putting a lot of hopes on two rookies to contribute.

It was a big gamble. Buffalo did end up doing better than expected, but it's a big risk to trade for a pick assuming a team will suck. Things change too quickly in the NFL to take that risk. Hey, had Buffalo fallen apart leading to this pick being a top fiver, then the trade looks like sure genius. Instead, it looks like they took a gamble hoping the Bills would suck and in doing so they threw away a year of development that the 2004 1st rounder would have had.

Well they were wrong too. In case you had any doubts...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8063536

I've read a lot on draft sites that nfl.com was wrong about the draft order.

draft order...

LINK: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/order.html

I've read a lot on draft sites that nfl.com was wrong about the draft order.
Well they're wrong too. So is the other site listed above. I don't know where they are getting their information, but it's wrong. I assume that they are putting the Rams and Vikings after the Bills and Jaguars, but that is not correct. The 8-8 playoff teams will draft before the 9-7 non-playoff teams unless those teams reach the Super Bowl.

It looks like Dr. Love is correct. In 1999, the Lions finished 8-8 and in the playoffs. The Chiefs finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs. In the 2000 draft, the Lions had the 20th overall pick (OT Stockar McDougal) and Kansas City has the 21st overall pick (WR Sylvester Morris).

Which I talked about the paragraph above what you quoted. Still, they chose to delay a pick for a year in order to get two others. That says to me they were throwing in the towel on this season by not wanting to fill as many holes as they could. The signing and continual playing of Vinny proved it was a lost season.
But I would take a 5th, a 2nd, and a first over a first. You seeem to hate the deal, while I think that it is good for the Cowboys.

But I would take a 5th, a 2nd, and a first over a first. You seeem to hate the deal, while I think that it is good for the Cowboys.
I hate that a team which needed help at every position but tight end chose to delay their first round pick for a year in exchange for a 2nd rounder.

Don't even mention the 5th round pick. They don't count.

Which I talked about the paragraph above what you quoted. Still, they chose to delay a pick for a year in order to get two others. That says to me they were throwing in the towel on this season by not wanting to fill as many holes as they could. The signing and continual playing of Vinny proved it was a lost season.

It was pretty obvious they didn't care about the season when the biggest FA we got was Wiley, then signed finished players like George and Testaverde.

It was pretty obvious they didn't care about the season when the biggest FA we got was Wiley, then signed finished players like George and Testaverde.
Yep. Just a waste of a year. It's great that Jones and Witten have turned out to be such nice players, but otherwise they accomplished very little. The QB situation is more of a messs than ever. Still need a corner, a safety, a reciever, O line help, D line help, and something else at linebacker.

I'm glad Parcells didn't spend any of Jerry's money. This team didn't need the help anyway.

It was pretty obvious they didn't care about the season when the biggest FA we got was Wiley, then signed finished players like George and Testaverde.

They did shell out a fair amount of coin to sign Wiley. Parcells admitted that if they had released Quincy Carter sooner, they would have made a bigger effort to have signed Kerry Collins. I'm sure Collins would have preferred taking a starting job over backing up Rich Gannon at the time.

Losing Darren Woodson hurt as well I'm sure. Aside from the 49ers, I'm pretty sure every franchise cared about the season.

They did shell out a fair amount of coin to sign Wiley. Parcells admitted that if they had released Quincy Carter sooner, they would have made a bigger effort to have signed Kerry Collins. I'm sure Collins would have preferred taking a starting job over backing up Rich Gannon at the time.

Losing Darren Woodson hurt as well I'm sure. Aside from the 49ers, I'm pretty sure every franchise cared about the season.

Jerry Jones was more concerned about winning later then now. It was pretty evident when they didn't try to help the secondary with letting Edwards go and putting Hunter in there.

Parcells admitted that if they had released Quincy Carter sooner, they would have made a bigger effort to have signed Kerry Collins.
Quincy failed that test back in April, so just chalk that up as another Parcells lie. They sat on the Quincy thing until Vinny was signed and played fine through a week of camp. After seeing Vinny look good, Parcells then cut Quincy.

Bucs will pick a Reciever they need another playmaker on offence other then Micheal Clayton or maybe a back. THere defence is still good, but there offense needs to be jolted.

They don't need a WR. They also had Clayton, Jurevicius, Galloway, Lee and Brown will possibly retire.

We need a QB, Simms sucks and I wish Leinart still available in #5 spot. Mabe they trade with Miami, or Cleveland, it would be nice. I'd love to have a Running Back too like Benson but I think the Dolphins will select him.