Steve and JCD's 2005 NFL All-Pro Team

Figured I'd post this a few days before the Associated Press's (and ESPN's) All-Pro team is released and we could have some quick debate before and after the "official" All-Pro Team is released.


First Team Offense

QB- Peyton Manning, Indianapolis.
RB- Shaun Alexander, Seattle; Curtis Martin, NY Jets.
T- Walter Jones, Seattle; Orlando Pace, St Louis.
G- Brian Waters, Kansas City; Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh.
C- Kevin Mawae, NY Jets.
WR- Terrell Owens, Philadelphia; Muhsin Muhammed, Carolina.
TE- Antonio Gates, San Diego.
K- Adam Vinatieri, New England.
KR- Terrence McGee, Buffalo.


First Team Defense

DE- Julius Peppers, Carolina; Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis.
DT- Shaun Rogers, Detroit; Kevin Williams, Minnesota.
OLB- Derrick Brooks, Tampa Bay; Keith Bulluck, Tennessee.
ILB- James Farrior, Pittsburgh; Donnie Edwards, San Diego.
S- Ed Reed, Baltimore; Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh.
CB- Antoine Winfield, Minnesota; Fred Smoot, Washington.
P- Shane Lechler, Oakland.

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Second team offense

QB- Daunte Culpepper, Minnesota.
RB- Tiki Barber, NY Giants; Edgerrin James, Indianapolis.
T- Willie Anderson, Cincinnati; Chad Clifton, Green Bay.
G- Toniu Fonoti, San Diego; Will Shields, Kansas City.
C- Tom Nalen, Denver.
WR- Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis; Joe Horn, New Orleans.
TE- Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City.
K- David Akers, Philadelphia.
KR- Eddie Drummond, Detroit.


Second team defense

DE- John Abraham, NY Jets; Patrick Kerney, Atlanta.
DT- Marcus Stroud, Jacksonville; Sam Adams, Buffalo.
OLB- Takeo Spikes, Buffalo; Keith Brooking, Atlanta.
ILB- Tedy Bruschi, New England; Ray Lewis, Baltimore.
S- Brian Dawkins, Philadelphia; Rodney Harrison, New England.
CB- Al Harris, Green Bay; Lito Sheppard, Philadelphia.
P- Todd Sauerbrun, Carolina.

Just say no to Daunte Culpepper. I'm more of a Donovan F. McNabb fan for the second team QB.

Also, John Henderson had a better season than Marcus Stroud... but Stroud got the Pro Bowl nod mainly because he was there last year I guess. :dunno:

Stroud and Adams ahead of Grady Jackson?
John Abraham still there with the time he's missed?
Lito Sheppard?

Not critisising, just wanting explanations.

Get Ray Lewis off.

Just say no to Daunte Culpepper. I'm more of a Donovan F. McNabb fan for the second team QB.

Also, John Henderson had a better season than Marcus Stroud... but Stroud got the Pro Bowl nod mainly because he was there last year I guess. :dunno:
I know, but it's great as a Jags fan to see both Stroud and Henderson as out DT's. :D

Here's a challenge guys. Do an All-Rookie team.

John Abraham still there with the time he's missed?

Abraham was possibly the most dominant DE in the league up to the first 10 games or so.

He missed 4 games which makes him certainly iffy to make the team, but I didn't see a standout guy that definitely deserved to be in his place.

Lito Sheppard?

First off, let's get this straight about any future cornerback talk: With the new 5 yard rule enforced, you can wipe the slate clean for who the best cornerbacks are in the league. Until guys like Bailey, McAlister and Surtain re-establish themselves as the elite corners, they really are anything but.

With that said, Sheppard definitely deserves to be on the second team. He has taken the deep threat out of the game and has given up just two TDs the entire season....one being a jumpball against Moss. He is also near the top in the league in tackles among cornerbacks.

Get Ray Lewis off.

He clearly is having a down season compared to years past, but he still makes plays. He's near the top of the league in tackles, and hasn't at all had a bad season if you discount the game against the Chiefs and his injury he played through the last 2 games of the season.

Abraham was possibly the most dominant DE in the league up to the first 10 games or so.

He missed 4 games which makes him certainly iffy to make the team, but I didn't see a standout guy that definitely deserved to be in his place.



First off, let's get this straight about any future cornerback talk: With the new 5 yard rule enforced, you can wipe the slate clean for who the best cornerbacks are in the league. Until guys like Bailey, McAlister and Surtain re-establish themselves as the elite corners, they really are anything but.

With that said, Sheppard definitely deserves to be on the second team. He has taken the deep threat out of the game and has given up just two TDs the entire season....one being a jumpball against Moss. He is also near the top in the league in tackles among cornerbacks.



He clearly is having a down season compared to years past, but he still makes plays. He's near the top of the league in tackles, and hasn't at all had a bad season if you discount the game against the Chiefs and his injury he played through the last 2 games of the season.

I'd aruge him off the team.

Here's a challenge guys. Do an All-Rookie team.
heres who I would pick, but will leave the oline out for someone else to fill who is more knowledgeable about those positions.

Offence
QB- Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh.
RB- Kevin Jones, Detriot; Julius Jones, Dallas.
WR- Michael Clayton, Tampa Bay; Lee Evans, Buffalo.
TE- Chris Cooley, Washington.
K- Nate Kaeding, San Diego.
KR- Wes Walker, Miami.

Defence
DE- Jared Allen, Kansas City; Will Smith New Orleans.
DT- Kenechi Udeze, Minnesota; Vince Wilfork, New England.
OLB- D.J Williams, Denver; Teddy Lehman, Detriot.
ILB- Jonathan Vilma, NY Jets; Landon Johnson, Cincinnati.
S- Sean Taylor, Washington; Michael Boulware, Seattle.
(Honorable mention: Madieu Williams, Cincinnati).
CB- Chris Gamble, Carolina; Dunta Robinson, Houston.
P- Andy Lee, San Fransico.

thoughts?

heres who I would pick, but will leave the oline out for someone else to fill who is more knowledgeable about those positions.

Offence
QB- Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh.
RB- Kevin Jones, Detriot; Julius Jones, Dallas.
WR- Michael Clayton, Tampa Bay; Lee Evans, Buffalo.
TE- Chris Cooley, Washington.
K- Nate Kaeding, San Diego.
KR- Wes Walker, Miami.

Defence
DE- Jared Allen, Kansas City; Will Smith New Orleans.
DT- Kenechi Udeze, Minnesota; Vince Wilfork, New England.
OLB- D.J Williams, Denver; Teddy Lehman, Detriot.
ILB- Jonathan Vilma, NY Jets; Landon Johnson, Cincinnati.
S- Sean Taylor, Washington; Michael Boulware, Seattle.
(Honorable mention: Madieu Williams, Cincinnati).
CB- Chris Gamble, Carolina; Dunta Robinson, Houston.
P- Andy Lee, San Fransico.

thoughts?

Glad to see the NFL's leading rookie sack man getting some love... :yo: Good list...although from what I saw this year, I like Tommie Harris better than either Wilfork or Udeze as a potentially devestating force up front...not that Wilfork or Udeze are bad picks.

heres who I would pick, but will leave the oline out for someone else to fill who is more knowledgeable about those positions.

Offence
QB- Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh.
RB- Kevin Jones, Detriot; Julius Jones, Dallas.
WR- Michael Clayton, Tampa Bay; Lee Evans, Buffalo.
TE- Chris Cooley, Washington.
K- Nate Kaeding, San Diego.
KR- Wes Walker, Miami.

Defence
DE- Jared Allen, Kansas City; Will Smith New Orleans.
DT- Kenechi Udeze, Minnesota; Vince Wilfork, New England.
OLB- D.J Williams, Denver; Teddy Lehman, Detriot.
ILB- Jonathan Vilma, NY Jets; Landon Johnson, Cincinnati.
S- Sean Taylor, Washington; Michael Boulware, Seattle.
(Honorable mention: Madieu Williams, Cincinnati).
CB- Chris Gamble, Carolina; Dunta Robinson, Houston.
P- Andy Lee, San Fransico.

thoughts?
Even though he's technically not a rookie,but McGahee was the best 1st year RB easily.

I'd say Marvel Smith deserves consideration for the incredible season he's had.

Even though he's technically not a rookie,but McGahee was the best 1st year RB easily.

I was about to flame him for not having McGahee before I remembered he isn't considered a rookie. :D

I think he deserves some kind of consideration this year though.

I'd say Marvel Smith deserves consideration for the incredible season he's had.

Smith is too inconsistant to be considered. Some games he looks like the best tackle in the NFL and others he's the weakest link on the line. Hartings deserves consideration though. Amazing what he's been able to do with his arthritis. He was thinking of retiring a couple years ago and was downright horrible last year.

Wow, it's been a long time since i've posted...how long?? Well I still have my Kellen Winslow avatar.

anyway, great to see Al Harris get recognition as a second team corner on your team...I think he deserved the pro bowl spot over lita sheppard, every week Al Harris gets thrown out against the team's top WR and he always does a great job. The monday night game vs. the rams he kept Torry Holt under control.

Great list. But - Bertrand Berry over John Abraham.

Here is the AP's All-Pro list. Have fun comparing. Players highlighted in blue are those that were not included at all on my roster.


First Team Offense

QB- Peyton Manning, Indianapolis.
RB- Curtis Martin, NY Jets; Ladainian Tomlinson, San Diego.
FB- William Henderson, Green Bay.
T- Walter Jones, Seattle; Willie Anderson, Cincinnati.
G- Brian Waters, Kansas City; Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh.
C- Jeff Hartings, Pittsburgh.
WR- Terrell Owens, Philadelphia; Muhsin Muhammed, Carolina.
TE- Antonio Gates, San Diego.
K- Adam Vinatieri, New England.
KR- Eddie Drummond, Detroit.


First Team Defense

DE- Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis; Julius Peppers, Carolina.
DT- Kevin Williams, Minnesota; Richard Seymour, New England.
OLB- Takeo Spikes, Buffalo; Derrick Brooks, Tampa Bay.
ILB- James Farrior, Pittsburgh; Ray Lewis, Baltimore.
S- Ed Reed, Baltimore; Brian Dawkins, Philadelphia.
CB- Ronde Barber, Tampa Bay; Champ Bailey, Denver.
P- Shane Lechler, Oakland.

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Second team offense

QB- Vacant (Manning recieved all votes)
RB- Edgerrin James, Indianapolis; Shaun Alexander, Seattle.
FB- Tony Richardson, Kansas City.
T- Willie Roaf, Kansas City; Jonathan Ogden, Baltimore.
G- Will Shields, Kansas City; Steve Hutchinson, Seattle.
C- Kevin Mawae, NY Jets.
WR- Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis; Hines Ward, Pittsburgh.
TE- Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City.
K- David Akers, Philadelphia.
KR- Terrence McGee, Buffalo.


Second team defense

DE- Bertrand Berry, Arizona; Patrick Kerney, Atlanta.
DT- Jamal Williams, San Diego; Shaun Rogers, Detroit.
OLB- Keith Brooking, Atlanta; Joey Porter, Pittsburgh.
ILB- Donnie Edwards, San Diego; Tedy Bruschi, New England.
S- Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh; Rodney Harrison, New England.
CB- Lito Sheppard, Philadelphia; Chris McAlister, Baltimore.
P- Brad Maynard, Chicago.


Note: The Associated Press added the fullback slot this year, so there's a reason they included fullbacks and I did not. Previously fullbacks only made the roster if they recieved enough votes in the RB category.

Roaf and Sheppard are on the first team. They tied with Anderson and Bailey for votes, respectively.

Ah yes, my bad.

Anyway, here are the players that got royally screwed by the Associated Press:

1. Tiki Barber. The guy gets more total yards than any other back (or player for that matter) in the league, and is left out of the team? LT is the best back in the league when 100%, but he wasn't 100% for a large portion of the season.

2. Antoine Winfield. The one decent player on the defense outside of Kevin Williams. Teams have thrown little at him, and when they do, it usually doesn't give them very good results.

3. Al Harris. Like Winfield, stranded deep by himself most of the time. Faced the likes of Moss, Owens, Harrison, Holt, etc all in the same season, and was able to stand his ground in most games.

Clearly the CB situation is a mess in the NFL, and many analysts were probably just thinking "To hell with it, I'll just pick the best cornerbacks in the NFL before the rule enforcement".

Barber, absolutely. Winfield, hell yes, over Sheppard. Harris... not a chance, he's way too inconsistent.

And think about it, if one guy had voted for Kyle Boller, he would have been an All Pro.

heres who I would pick, but will leave the oline out for someone else to fill who is more knowledgeable about those positions.

Offence
QB- Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh.
RB- Kevin Jones, Detriot; Julius Jones, Dallas.
WR- Michael Clayton, Tampa Bay; Lee Evans, Buffalo.
TE- Chris Cooley, Washington.
K- Nate Kaeding, San Diego.
KR- Wes Walker, Miami.

Defence
DE- Jared Allen, Kansas City; Will Smith New Orleans.
DT- Kenechi Udeze, Minnesota; Vince Wilfork, New England.
OLB- D.J Williams, Denver; Teddy Lehman, Detriot.
ILB- Jonathan Vilma, NY Jets; Landon Johnson, Cincinnati.
S- Sean Taylor, Washington; Michael Boulware, Seattle.
(Honorable mention: Madieu Williams, Cincinnati).
CB- Chris Gamble, Carolina; Dunta Robinson, Houston.
P- Andy Lee, San Fransico.

thoughts?

despite the injury, Gibril Wilson should get SOME consideration. He was tearing it up before he went down.

Jerald Sowell got stiffed. Twice.

McGee got screwed.He had 2 TD's that were negated by bogus penalties,so he really should have had 5 Return TD's.....Drummond over him is BS

McGee got screwed.He had 2 TD's that were negated by bogus penalties,so he really should have had 5 Return TD's.....Drummond over him is BS
Drummond had 1/2 a vote more. McGee is on the second team.

Bulluck gets an All-Pro snub aswell... ouchies.

Just to give you an idea about the voting:

DE Patrick Kerney got a vote at DT. So did La'Roi Glover.

Just to give you an idea about the voting:

DE Patrick Kerney got a vote at DT. So did La'Roi Glover.

Glover is a DT. But some idiot voted Kerney for DT?

Glover is a DT. But some idiot voted Kerney for DT?
Yes, I know he's a DT. My point in mentioning Glover is that someone actually voted for him, even though he nowhere near an All Pro caliber player.

You're bound to have a few idiots that don't pay full attention to the NFL and let previous reputation affect their voting....but overall, the majority of the guys seemed to vote intelligently.

You're bound to have a few idiots that don't pay full attention to the NFL and let previous reputation affect their voting....but overall, the majority of the guys seemed to vote intelligently.
Of course. But talking about guys who shouldn't have gotten votes but did is better conversation than talking about guys who should have and did get votes.

What a dumbass voting system. No 2nd string QB? And all this time I thought Culpepper was the 2nd best QB this season. What a friggen joke.

What about The Giants' Willie Ponder for KR? I only saw him in a couple games but it seemed like he everytime he returned a kickoff he got to at least the 40. Maybe he didn't play enough?

What about The Giants' Willie Ponder for KR? I only saw him in a couple games but it seemed like he everytime he returned a kickoff he got to at least the 40. Maybe he didn't play enough?
When Eddie Drummond and Terrence McGee are winning games scoring TD and you score only one TD, you're not going to get any votes.

I didn't realize this at first:

Donnie Edwards got 12 votes at ILB, and 8 votes at OLB. Had he gotten all 20 at either position (he's a ILB though), he would have been a first team All Pro. THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is a rip off.

Note: The Associated Press added the fullback slot this year, so there's a reason they included fullbacks and I did not. Previously fullbacks only made the roster if they recieved enough votes in the RB category.

its great to see the fullback position and its great to see william henderson get some recognition after being around forever. catches passes well and is one of the best blocking backs in the league...not to mention penn stater eddie drummond returning kicks

When Eddie Drummond and Terrence McGee are winning games scoring TD and you score only one TD, you're not going to get any votes.


Fair enough, I just checked the stats, and Ponder's return average was the best in the league, but not head and shoulders above McGee and Drummond. McGee had 3 TDs, Drummond had 2, and Ponder had 1. I just thought of Ponder because of Week 15 or 16 when the Giants played the Steelers, Ponder almost singlehandedly kept them in the game with his returns.

Just say no to Daunte Culpepper. I'm more of a Donovan F. McNabb fan for the second team QB.

Also, John Henderson had a better season than Marcus Stroud... but Stroud got the Pro Bowl nod mainly because he was there last year I guess. :dunno:

Where has McNabb, with Owens, outplayed Culpepper, without Moss?

If Manning didn't have a mad-crazy season, Culpepper would be the MVP.

Randy Moss? :dunno:

Randy Moss? :dunno:

Too injured I would guess.

Randy Moss? :dunno:

Can't get picked on name alone....

Can't get picked on name alone....

Ogden was, and Lewis to a less extent.

If Manning didn't have a mad-crazy season, Culpepper would be the MVP.
MVP of what? Your fantasy league? :shakehead

MVP of what? Your fantasy league? :shakehead
49 TD and 4700 yards with Moss out or completely ineffective for half the season. If Manning didn't have his huge season, Culpepper would have been, hands down, the MVP of the league.

49 TD and 4700 yards with Moss out or completely ineffective for half the season.

Culpepper threw 49 TDs?

Culpepper threw 49 TDs?
D-OH I meant 39. Simple typo.

MVP of what? Your fantasy league? :shakehead

Since you seem in dire need of a clue:
41 TDs (2nd only to Manning)
4717 passing yards (1st in the NFL)
406 rushing yards (2nd only to Vick among QBs)
5123 total yards, breaking Marino's only other record
110.9 QB rating (2nd only to Manning)

-Without Moss for 8 games.
-Without a decent running game.
-With a crap line all season.

Yea, I think that qualifies. I know you think his only talent is being big ( :shakehead ), but to the rest of the football world he had an MVP-caliber season.

Boy, it's a good thing Cleveland took Tim Couch with the 1st overall and not this guy :shakehead