Canada awarded 2006 WJC

Scottkmlps
09-18-2003, 02:05 PM
Great to see it'll be back in Canada in 2 1/2 years. It says Halifax will make a bid, as could London, Ottawa and Vancouver. Wouldn't mind seeing it come to Kamloops.
http://www.slam.ca/Slam030918/chl_worlds-cp.html

canucksfan
09-18-2003, 08:00 PM
I'd be so happy to see it in Vancouver.

BCCHL inactive
09-18-2003, 11:20 PM
Great to see it'll be back in Canada in 2 1/2 years. It says Halifax will make a bid, as could London, Ottawa and Vancouver. Wouldn't mind seeing it come to Kamloops.
http://www.slam.ca/Slam030918/chl_worlds-cp.html

Halifax won't get it. They would be morons to bid.

Unfortunately, Kamloops has no hope in hell, as is the case for here in Prince George. PG and Kamloops submitted a joint bid for the 1999 WJHC that was given to Winnipeg, but the IIHF has this fetish for a minimum 10,000 seat arena for every tournament. The last Canadian city with less than that to host this tournament was Red Deer in 1995. The Centrium fits just over 6,000.

Realistically, I think Vancouver has the best chance to host the 2006 World U20 Championships.

Personally, this is a junior hockey championship, and it should be held in a junior hockey city. Although Vancouver does have the Giants, when I think of a junior hockey city, I think of places like Red Deer, Kamloops, Prince George, etc. Not the big metropolitan areas where the NHL dominates.

Helmethead
09-21-2003, 09:50 AM
Money talks Van and Halifax made like 3.6 million in profit. No one else can touch that except maybe Vancouver.

sorry man, winnipeg could do it. easy

Jussi
09-21-2003, 03:05 PM
Though that article doesn't mention it, Canada will likely host the men's WC's in 2008. They were applying for the 2007 tournament (Winnipeg and Halifax as candidate cities), but since 2008 is 100th "birthday" of the IIHF, it was thought more suitable to host the tournament then. The 2007 WC will be in Russia.

Pekka Lampinen
09-21-2003, 10:13 PM
Though that article doesn't mention it, Canada will likely host the men's WC's in 2008. They were applying for the 2007 tournament (Winnipeg and Halifax as candidate cities), but since 2008 is 100th "birthday" of the IIHF, it was thought more suitable to host the tournament then. The 2007 WC will be in Russia.

Not quite so. Originally it was speculated that the anniversary tournament would be hosted by Switzerland where the IIHF headquarters are located. Most (if not all) of IIHF's sponsorship deals expire after 2007 and that way they can negotiate something different for the special case that Canada is because of broadcasting times.

Triple Klutz
09-22-2003, 03:45 AM
Not quite so. Originally it was speculated that the anniversary tournament would be hosted by Switzerland where the IIHF headquarters are located. Most (if not all) of IIHF's sponsorship deals expire after 2007 and that way they can negotiate something different for the special case that Canada is because of broadcasting times.

Fisel, himself, has said he wants it in Canada in 2008 because of the anniversary. I think it's pretty much a given that it will be here, especially now that the Canadian bidders for 2007 backed off in the end. As for Halifax getting the world juniors in 2006, no chance. The tournament will sell out no matter where it's held in this country.

canucksfan
09-22-2003, 01:19 PM
Fisel, himself, has said he wants it in Canada in 2008 because of the anniversary. I think it's pretty much a given that it will be here, especially now that the Canadian bidders for 2007 backed off in the end. As for Halifax getting the world juniors in 2006, no chance. The tournament will sell out no matter where it's held in this country.
I agree. It could be held anywhere and it would sell out. Halifax just had it so I think Vancouver has a great shot at it. It has never been in B.C. has it.

BCCHL inactive
09-22-2003, 09:01 PM
I agree. It could be held anywhere and it would sell out. Halifax just had it so I think Vancouver has a great shot at it. It has never been in B.C. has it.

Nope, but it's been to Alaska ;) . Here is the history (locations) of the World U20 Championships:

1977 - Bystrica/Zvolen, Czechoslovakia
1978 - Montréal, Canada
1979 - Karlstad, Sweden
1980 - Helsinki, Finland
1981 - Fussen, Germany
1982 - Minnesota, USA
1983 - Leningrad, Soviet Union
1984 - Norrkoping/Nykoping, Sweden
1985 - Helsinki/Turku, Finland
1986 - Hamilton, Canada
1987 - Piestany, Czechoslovakia
1988 - Moscow, Soviet Union
1989 - Anchorage, USA
1990 - Helsinki/Turku, Finland
1991 - Saskatoon, Canada
1992 - Fussen/Kaufbeuren, Germany
1993 - Gavle, Sweden
1994 - Ostrava, Czech Republic
1995 - Red Deer, Canada
1996 - Boston, USA
1997 - Geneva/Morges, Switzerland
1998 - Helsinki/Hameenlinna, Finland
1999 - Winnipeg, Canada
2000 - Skelleftea/Umea, Sweden
2001 - Moscow/Podolsk, Russia
2002 - Pardubice, Czech Republic
2003 - Halifax, Canada
2004 - Helsinki/Hameenlinna, Finland

DR. Holiday
09-23-2003, 08:03 PM
Halifax won't get it. They would be morons to bid.

Unfortunately, Kamloops has no hope in hell, as is the case for here in Prince George. PG and Kamloops submitted a joint bid for the 1999 WJHC that was given to Winnipeg, but the IIHF has this fetish for a minimum 10,000 seat arena for every tournament. The last Canadian city with less than that to host this tournament was Red Deer in 1995. The Centrium fits just over 6,000.

Realistically, I think Vancouver has the best chance to host the 2006 World U20 Championships.

Personally, this is a junior hockey championship, and it should be held in a junior hockey city. Although Vancouver does have the Giants, when I think of a junior hockey city, I think of places like Red Deer, Kamloops, Prince George, etc. Not the big metropolitan areas where the NHL dominates.
Halifax doesn't hold 10,000 does it? I was there for the tourny and thought it was slightly less.

Also look for Ottawa to make a strong bid. Ottawa or Vancouver are my guess. Hey everyone out west should be going to North Dakota next year as well.

Triple Klutz
09-24-2003, 04:13 AM
Halifax doesn't hold 10,000 does it? I was there for the tourny and thought it was slightly less.


It seats something like 10,200.

evman150*
10-23-2003, 02:37 PM
It was stated in the Times Colonist (Victoria BC) the other day that Victoria may make a bid for the 2006 WJC.

The new arena will seat around 7500. Is that big enough for the WJC?

That would be so cool if we got it. Wow.

hossy316
10-25-2003, 08:33 AM
You can't really compare money made in Halifax and in Winnipeg beause Halifax has the unfair advantage of inflation so we'll look at who put more ***** in the seats:

Halifax 242 173
Winnipeg 173 453

Looks like Halifax can sell almost 70 thousand more seats...


Go Hailifax. I was at both the Bronze and Gold medal games last year and it was the best atmosphere I have ever been apart of. If Canada had only won i think I'd still be there partying.

Mr. Canucklehead
11-05-2003, 08:24 AM
I would love to have the WJC in Vancouver, or even Victoria. The chance to go out and see these kids in the flesh would sure be a treat, and hockey is getting bigger and bigger here, with Vancouver having both NHL and WHL franchises, and Victoria getting an ECHL team. Having the WJC here would be awesome. But the other locations mentioned would surely do great as well.

~Canucklehead~

sensfan18
11-07-2003, 07:10 AM
Let's end the discussion now. It is going to be in our Nation's capital. Ottawa just narrowly lost to Halifax last time and this time around they will do whatever is necessary to land it. Ottawa is one of the best cities for supporting junior hockey in the wolrd. The Civic Centre, Corel centre, and the Bob (Gatineau's arena) could all be used. Anyone else getting their hopes up are in for a great disappoinment.

MentalPowerHouse
11-19-2003, 01:57 PM
They should build a rink in the skydom in Toronto. It would be the most horrible place for a game but it would sell out no doubt for the medal games.

goteam
11-21-2003, 04:45 PM
I was able to talk to some of the people representing the Saskatoon bid the other night. They are very, very confident in their bid and it looks like Bridge City could be a leading candidate for the tournament again. Key reason: volunteers in Saskatoon are like no other.

goteam
11-29-2003, 07:39 AM
This morning I got my 2006 WJC tickets for Saskatoon's bid. Blue line, 7 rows up. Word is that the entire bottom bowl is nearly already sold out.

Saskatoon 2006.:teach:

Dr_Chimera*
11-29-2003, 05:01 PM
Go Ottawa!

(yes, I wasted a post)

littleD
12-02-2003, 07:36 PM
Nearly a dozen Canadian cities are bidding for the 2006 world junior hockey tournament. Edmonton, Halifax, Hamilton, London/Kitchener, Ont., Winnipeg, Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec City, Saskatoon, Toronto and Vancouver have all announced their intention to bid for the event. Hockey Canada received letters of intent and a $7,500 deposit from the 11 cities wanting to host the world under-20 tournament that starts in December 2005 and concludes in January 2006.

Source (http://canada.com/sports/story.html?id=FD382F21-6FEA-402F-9D0C-E06753C038DE)

Kugel
12-10-2003, 03:39 PM
Source (http://canada.com/sports/story.html?id=FD382F21-6FEA-402F-9D0C-E06753C038DE)

i hope london/kitchener or the hamiliton bid gets it.im there for sure

Mess
12-15-2003, 09:08 AM
Halifax won't get it. They would be morons to bid.

Unfortunately, Kamloops has no hope in hell, as is the case for here in Prince George. PG and Kamloops submitted a joint bid for the 1999 WJHC that was given to Winnipeg, but the IIHF has this fetish for a minimum 10,000 seat arena for every tournament. The last Canadian city with less than that to host this tournament was Red Deer in 1995. The Centrium fits just over 6,000.

Realistically, I think Vancouver has the best chance to host the 2006 World U20 Championships.

Personally, this is a junior hockey championship, and it should be held in a junior hockey city. Although Vancouver does have the Giants, when I think of a junior hockey city, I think of places like Red Deer, Kamloops, Prince George, etc. Not the big metropolitan areas where the NHL dominates.

Ahem .....Kelowna... Skyreach center...

Vlad The Impaler
12-15-2003, 10:56 PM
I'd love for the WJC to be held in Montreal, Ottawa, Halifax. Because I selfishly live in the area.

But in fairness, it might be better to see it held in the West since it was at the extreme Eastern portion of the country last time.

Regardless, if Montreal wins (and they probably won't) I will dance with joy and invite two or three HF posters who plan to travel to attend to stay at my home free of charge* :p

*Offer limited to people I don't find offensive and/or stupid

Leaf Lander
12-16-2003, 12:10 AM
canadashould have it every second year

consdier the crowdswe get andcompare that to what u will see in most european host countrries

Leaf Lander
12-16-2003, 12:11 AM
I'd love for the WJC to be held in Montreal, Ottawa, Halifax. Because I selfishly live in the area.

But in fairness, it might be better to see it held in the West since it was at the extreme Eastern portion of the country last time.

Regardless, if Montreal wins (and they probably won't) I will dance with joy and invite two or three HF posters who plan to travel to attend to stay at my home free of charge* :p

*Offer limited to people I don't find offensive and/or stupid


tv wise it is farer to have it in the east as martimers wouldn't have to wait till midnight to catch an 8 o'clock start ;)

BCCHL inactive
12-16-2003, 12:54 AM
consdier the crowds we get and compare that to what u will see in most european host countrries

Now that I have deciphered what you have said...

In European host countries, the arena fills when the home team plays...just like it is here in Canada.

When Canada plays Finland in a couple weeks, the stands will be sold out. When Canada plays against other teams, they won't be full.....much like a Slovakia vs. Switzerland game wouldn't sellout here.

BCCHL inactive
12-16-2003, 12:57 AM
It was stated in the Times Colonist (Victoria BC) the other day that Victoria may make a bid for the 2006 WJC.

The new arena will seat around 7500. Is that big enough for the WJC?

That would be so cool if we got it. Wow.


Victoria would be to Vancouver what Sydney was to Halifax....maybe a few more games for Victoria considering the size of the arena....but no way the IIHF goes to the Southwest BC without going to Vancouver, especially with the 2010 Olympics coming.

Vancouver won't be shunned in favour of Victoria.

gohabsgo2010
12-17-2003, 06:17 PM
As long as the Knights remain a top notch team (and they should - there's plenty of good young talent around here), than fans here will love their hockey. London-Kitchener would be a very good choice. The arena (John Labatt Centre) is first class, only two seasons old, and it would be smart to plant the tourney right in the middle of Southwestern Ontario, where fans from Windsor-Detroit-Sarnia and Hamilton-Niagara-Buffalo can access the games easily, too. I think we've already sold about 6,250 ticket packages here, but I'm not sure how that compares to the other competing cities.

Besides, I want to go. ;)

littleD
12-19-2003, 12:52 AM
Do you think London possibly (probably?) getting the Mem Cup in '05 will have any affect on the chances of the Kitchener-London bid for the WJC?

BCCHL inactive
12-19-2003, 12:55 AM
Do you think London possibly (probably?) getting the Mem Cup in '05 will have any affect on the chances of the Kitchener-London bid for the WJC?

Slim to nil.

The reason I say this is because of how the OHL decides who hosts the Memorial Cup when it is their turn. Teams earn the right to bid by being among the top teams in the standings by a certain point in the season. I may be mistaken, but I think the top 6 OHL teams by December (or sometime close to December) have the right to bid.

That, and by the time the 2005 Memorial Cup takes place, the host for the 2006 World U20 Championship will already be decided.

FLAMESFAN
12-21-2003, 09:35 AM
Now that I have deciphered what you have said...

In European host countries, the arena fills when the home team plays...just like it is here in Canada.

When Canada plays Finland in a couple weeks, the stands will be sold out. When Canada plays against other teams, they won't be full.....much like a Slovakia vs. Switzerland game wouldn't sellout here.

Sometimes. But there have been quite a few games I've seen in the past where the host country only has a few hundred in attendance. Many of which are scouts, and families of the Canandians. Switzerland awhile back sticks out the most.
You can't argue with the fact we put more people in the seats.

FLAMESFAN
12-21-2003, 09:37 AM
Not much talk about Winnipeg being a contender :dunno:
The papers here believe we have a very strong bid.

BCCHL inactive
12-21-2003, 11:29 AM
Not much talk about Winnipeg being a contender :dunno:
The papers here believe we have a very strong bid.

That's because Winnipeg just had it in 1999.

Halifax and Winnipeg are the underdogs in this bid because of the fact that they have held the last two World U20 tournaments held in Canada.

I think Vancouver has to be the favourite with them being host to the 2010 Olympics. Winning the Olympic bid is going to bring many pre-Olympic events, and I believe this tournament will be one of them.

plaugher
12-21-2003, 01:53 PM
I think Vancouver has to be the favourite with them being host to the 2010 Olympics. Winning the Olympic bid is going to bring many pre-Olympic events, and I believe this tournament will be one of them.

That could quite possibly end up being the case. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Would absolutely LOVE to see it in Halifax again, but I'd reckon the chances of hosting the tourney back-to-back (in spite of the massive profits turned and the huge attendance, even for "meaningless" games) would be slim to none.

FLAMESFAN
12-22-2003, 01:11 PM
That's because Winnipeg just had it in 1999.

Halifax and Winnipeg are the underdogs in this bid because of the fact that they have held the last two World U20 tournaments held in Canada.

I think Vancouver has to be the favourite with them being host to the 2010 Olympics. Winning the Olympic bid is going to bring many pre-Olympic events, and I believe this tournament will be one of them.


In your opinion that makes Winnipeg an underdog.
Yes we held it in 1999, and at that time we put together the most successful tournament ever, and now Halifax has pushed the bar even further. Our bid is for 2006, a full 7 years later.

Winnipeg has shown time and time again that this city loves international events, and puts together some of the best. Most recent examples would be the Pan American Games, and the Indigenous Summer Games. When we host events such as these, the whole city is 100% behind it. There is very little competition from any other rival events (NBA, NHL....). Everyone in the city talks about these events just the same as people talk about the weather around the water cooler.

Add in the fact that by that time Winnipeg will have a brand new, state of the art arena built (specifically for events such as these) and Winnipeg is no longer an underdog.

It is my belief that the success average sized cities such as Winnipeg and Halifax have had hosting the World Juniors, has essentially made it harder for the big cities to follow (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto).
The biggest hurdle Winnipeg will face in winning the bid is not the fact they hosted it in 1999, but the fact that Grand Forks has the bid in 2005, and they are just a 2 hour drive south of here.

marshall4
12-26-2003, 05:32 PM
Where will the 2004 & 2005 world juniors be?

Legoglu
12-26-2003, 06:00 PM
Shouldn't dismiss the Ottawa efforts... nearly 9000 ticket packages reserved. Jeff Hunt the owner of the 67's is making a real run for it. He has some pretty big boys backing him also. We have quite a few facilities to play host for the WJC 2006. The Civic centre OHL sits 10,500 Guertin arena LHJMQ 5,500 and the Corel Centre NHL 18,000. The fan base is huge here.

SpezNc
12-26-2003, 06:15 PM
Shouldn't dismiss the Ottawa efforts... nearly 9000 ticket packages reserved. Jeff Hunt the owner of the 67's is making a real run for it. He has some pretty big boys backing him also. We have quite a few facilities to play host for the WJC 2006. The Civic centre OHL sits 10,500 Guertin arena LHJMQ 5,500 and the Corel Centre NHL 18,000. The fan base is huge here.It will be Vancouver or Quebec.

Like Vlad, it will be very hot to see those world junior here in Montreal.

And to see Canada beat anyteam in Final int front of a crowd of 21273....

We 'll kick ass Halifax records... LOL

I'd like to see Ottawa too. It's "near" from Montreal... (If you prefer, we can drive to...)

tmg
12-26-2003, 06:48 PM
Where will the 2004 & 2005 world juniors be?

The current ones in Finland are the 2004's.

The 2005's are in Grand Forks, North Dakota and Thief River Falls, Minnesota.


I don't think it's just the local blood in me that says the Ottawa-Hull bid is the bid to beat. Two local junior teams, two large arenas to use, a city that loves hockey and is the capital of a country that loves hockey.

Ottawa put on a great Memorial Cup in 1999 (setting attendance records that were only narrowly eclipsed four years later in Kitchener). They could put on a great U20 tourney too.

Volchenkov
12-26-2003, 07:01 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Melnyk helps out with the Ottawa bid. He and Hunt have worked together in the past and will most likely in the future. Ottawa is a legit junior hockey town with perhaps the greatest junior coach of all time and one of the OHL's top teams year in and year out. The 67s are always in the tops in attendance and sold out the Memorial Cup a few years ago. I think that if you combine all those factors Ottawa should be the favourite to get the bid.

King of Stankonia
12-26-2003, 07:19 PM
I would be seriously surprised if there weren't a joint bid put together by Brampton, Mississauga, Toronto, and Hamilton. Everything is within an hour of everything else, and there's ridiculous amounts of buildings to hold it in. The OHL has three teams in the area, Hamilton has Copps Coliseum, Toronto has the Ricoh Coliseum (where the AHL Road Runners play), the ACC, and (for history's sake) Maple Leaf Gardens. I should do wonders for Toronto's tourism since the whole SARS dealie.

Also I live right down the street from the Hershey Centre in Mississauga.

BCCHL inactive
12-26-2003, 09:10 PM
It is my belief that the success average sized cities such as Winnipeg and Halifax have had hosting the World Juniors, has essentially made it harder for the big cities to follow (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto).


I look at the other side of the coin. If the average sized cities had such success, then imagine what a bigger city could accomplish.

I still say that no matter how good bids are from the other cities, Vancouver has one thing that nobody else can claim....the Olympics. To have the World U20 Championships in Vancouver as the first major pre-Olympic event will be the main point of Vancouver's bid.

And besides that, Vancouver has GM Place and Pacific Coliseum..two major arenas, and the Burnaby 8-rinks for practice facilities. And there is also Victoria, only a 2-hour ferry ride across the strait, with a new 7,500 seat arena themselves. I think if you put Victoria and Vancouver as a joint bid, they would be unbeatable.

Seachd
12-27-2003, 05:47 AM
Unfortunately, Kamloops has no hope in hell, as is the case for here in Prince George. PG and Kamloops submitted a joint bid for the 1999 WJHC that was given to Winnipeg, but the IIHF has this fetish for a minimum 10,000 seat arena for every tournament. The last Canadian city with less than that to host this tournament was Red Deer in 1995. The Centrium fits just over 6,000.

This is why I think the WJHC in Red Deer were so special. Not only for Red Deer, but many surrounding towns who got to hold at least one game. In my hometown (pop. 7000 - arena cap. less than 1000), we got a pretty good game between the US and Russia. I don't know if we'll see that sort of thing again in Canada. Now, it's all going to be about money... the bigger the arenas, the more money they bring in. I guess you can't blame them too much, but I think they should hit a smaller junior city every once in a while.

Upchuck19
12-27-2003, 10:35 AM
From everything I have been listening to and have heard Vancouver is the front runner. With Kelowna, Kamloops and Victoria maybe getting some games.

2010 Olympic's gold metal game will be in BC Place, could the 2006 WJC gold metal game be in BC Place?

BCCHL inactive
12-27-2003, 04:44 PM
From everything I have been listening to and have heard Vancouver is the front runner. With Kelowna, Kamloops and Victoria maybe getting some games.

2010 Olympic's gold metal game will be in BC Place, could the 2006 WJC gold metal game be in BC Place?

No chance. The Olympic Gold Medal game could sell 60,000 seats, but the World U20 Gold Medal game can't....not even in Canada.

As far as Kamloops and Kelowna getting some games if Vancouver wins the tournament, I think it is very unlikely. The tournament is generally played out of two arenas, and not more than an hour or two apart. Kamloops is about 3-4 hours from Vancouver and Kelowna is about 5-6 hours out. That's just too far.

What I would like to see is similar to what the schedule is in Finland this year with each rink hosting one group's games....with the exception of one switch so the host can play in the other building once.

I would like to see Pacific Coliseum used for Canada's group, and Victoria Arena used for the other group (with one switch so Canada plays once in Victoria). And for the Gold and Bronze Medal Games, I think it would be alright to break out of the 2-arena setup to put that in GM Place.

Hossa
12-27-2003, 06:47 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Melnyk helps out with the Ottawa bid. He and Hunt have worked together in the past and will most likely in the future. Ottawa is a legit junior hockey town with perhaps the greatest junior coach of all time and one of the OHL's top teams year in and year out. The 67s are always in the tops in attendance and sold out the Memorial Cup a few years ago. I think that if you combine all those factors Ottawa should be the favourite to get the bid.

To illustrate just how fantastic the 67's are in terms of attendance, they have the highest attendance level of any non-NHL hockey team in North America. No junior, AHL or any other minor pro team has as good a fan base. And this with a pretty damn good NHL team and (presently) the best junior team in the country in the region as well. Unlike Vancouver (and Toronto), Jeff Hunt and the 67s have hosted the Memorial Cup in 1999, a junior hockey mega-tournament, and they would have hosted it aagain already if not for the unwritten rule of not allowing a city to host it twice in a row. Also, unlike Toronto (don't know about Vancouver), the Senators and the Corel Centre are guaranteed to play a role. The Gold Medal Game, if not some other games are going to be held there, regardless of Canada's success in the medal rounds.

Also, I'd personally love to see Brian Kilrea be the coach of the Canadian entry in 2006. It would just seem all too fitting, especially if he does retire, although I don't see him retiring that soon.

Upchuck19
12-27-2003, 09:42 PM
No chance. The Olympic Gold Medal game could sell 60,000 seats, but the World U20 Gold Medal game can't....not even in Canada.

As far as Kamloops and Kelowna getting some games if Vancouver wins the tournament, I think it is very unlikely. The tournament is generally played out of two arenas, and not more than an hour or two apart. Kamloops is about 3-4 hours from Vancouver and Kelowna is about 5-6 hours out. That's just too far.


Then why is Bruce Hamilton working with Ron Toigle in the bid process? That's right the Rockets are working with the Giants on a joint bid! If one pool plays out of Kelowna and Kamloops, then the final would be in Vancouver. Canada would only be in Vancouver, this is confirmed by Rocket office staff!

BCCHL inactive
12-27-2003, 11:59 PM
Then why is Bruce Hamilton working with Ron Toigle in the bid process? That's right the Rockets are working with the Giants on a joint bid! If one pool plays out of Kelowna and Kamloops, then the final would be in Vancouver. Canada would only be in Vancouver, this is confirmed by Rocket office staff!

First of all, where is your link for this confirmation?

Secondly, if Vancouver plans to bid with Kelowna, the 2006 World U20 Championship will not be in Vancouver.

The IIHF will not want to have a 5-6 hour drive between two host cities...and don't even think that the IIHF would pay for teams to fly between Kelowna and Vancouver come medal round time.

Also, do you really think people will buy ticket packages in droves in Kelowna if they won't get to see Team Canada play at least once? ...They might buy ticket packages alright....for the games in Vancouver.

Upchuck19
12-28-2003, 06:53 AM
First of all Van, this story is old it was in Kelowna papers 7-10 days ago so I doubt I can find a link. I was talking to office staff in the Rockets so it's a for sure thing.

Where is your confirmation or link that the IIHF doesn't want to have cities that far apart? Bus travel is 4-5 hours on good roads.

A lot happens down south hear that oviously you guys in PG don't hear about. There was a site for worldjuniors2006.com, that isn't up right now. You may think your in the know in Kelowna, but your not Van!

LaLaLaprise
12-28-2003, 11:31 AM
It will be Vancouver or Quebec.

Like Vlad, it will be very hot to see those world junior here in Montreal.

And to see Canada beat anyteam in Final int front of a crowd of 21273....

We 'll kick ass Halifax records... LOL

I'd like to see Ottawa too. It's "near" from Montreal... (If you prefer, we can drive to...)


No doubt if Canada played in gold medal games Montreal would sell out Bell Center.

But i doubt youd get more than 9000-10000 for a game between Sweden and Belarus.

FlyersFan
12-28-2003, 02:42 PM
I look at the other side of the coin. If the average sized cities had such success, then imagine what a bigger city could accomplish.

I still say that no matter how good bids are from the other cities, Vancouver has one thing that nobody else can claim....the Olympics. To have the World U20 Championships in Vancouver as the first major pre-Olympic event will be the main point of Vancouver's bid.

And besides that, Vancouver has GM Place and Pacific Coliseum..two major arenas, and the Burnaby 8-rinks for practice facilities. And there is also Victoria, only a 2-hour ferry ride across the strait, with a new 7,500 seat arena themselves. I think if you put Victoria and Vancouver as a joint bid, they would be unbeatable.
Theoretically, one would have to think that a bigger city could out-sell a smaller city.

However, when looking at potential host cities, I have to believe the IIHF cares more about local junior hockey than it does cities with Olympics and NHL action. If anything, I think Vancouver is at a disadvantage compared to Halifax and other cities with only junior teams because they have an NHL team which would draw attention away from a WJC tournament. What do people in Vancouver care about a tournament of under-20 no-namers when they can see all the big name NHLers? If the WJC went to BC, I believe it would be in Kelowna or Kamloops, not Vancouver.

I should also mention that if the Halifax Metro Center had more seats, those record-setting attendance and revenue numbers would be even higher. That arena was jammed pack.

Putting the WJC in a city like Vancouver is risky, even if it is a much bigger city, because there would be competition with the Canucks and the 2010 Olympics (which I bet hockey fans are already budgeting for).
Putting the WJC in a city like Halifax, a junior hockey hotbed, is a guaranteed success.

FLAMESFAN
12-28-2003, 04:23 PM
Theoretically, one would have to think that a bigger city could out-sell a smaller city.

However, when looking at potential host cities, I have to believe the IIHF cares more about local junior hockey than it does cities with Olympics and NHL action. If anything, I think Vancouver is at a disadvantage compared to Halifax and other cities with only junior teams because they have an NHL team which would draw attention away from a WJC tournament. What do people in Vancouver care about a tournament of under-20 no-namers when they can see all the big name NHLers? If the WJC went to BC, I believe it would be in Kelowna or Kamloops, not Vancouver.

I should also mention that if the Halifax Metro Center had more seats, those record-setting attendance and revenue numbers would be even higher. That arena was jammed pack.

Putting the WJC in a city like Vancouver is risky, even if it is a much bigger city, because there would be competition with the Canucks and the 2010 Olympics (which I bet hockey fans are already budgeting for).
Putting the WJC in a city like Halifax, a junior hockey hotbed, is a guaranteed success.


Exactly my point about the advantage going to the smaller cities. But Van is right, the city would have to have at least one arena at 10 000

BCCHL inactive
12-28-2003, 07:37 PM
First of all Van, this story is old it was in Kelowna papers 7-10 days ago so I doubt I can find a link. I was talking to office staff in the Rockets so it's a for sure thing.

Where is your confirmation or link that the IIHF doesn't want to have cities that far apart? Bus travel is 4-5 hours on good roads.

A lot happens down south hear that oviously you guys in PG don't hear about. There was a site for worldjuniors2006.com, that isn't up right now. You may think your in the know in Kelowna, but your not Van!

I never claimed I was.

I don't need a link to say that the IIHF won't like even 4-5 hours between cities....it is common sense. That is simply too much travel for such a short-term event.

I will go out and say it now. If Vancouver bids with Victoria or alone, they will win. If they bid with Kelowna/Kamloops, they will lose. There is simply too many resources on the Mainland/Island (GM Place, Pacific Coliseum, Victoria Arena) to risk making the IIHF spend a lot of money to travel teams 5 hours into the interior.


If anything, I think Vancouver is at a disadvantage compared to Halifax and other cities with only junior teams because they have an NHL team which would draw attention away from a WJC tournament. What do people in Vancouver care about a tournament of under-20 no-namers when they can see all the big name NHLers? If the WJC went to BC, I believe it would be in Kelowna or Kamloops, not Vancouver.

Putting the WJC in a city like Vancouver is risky, even if it is a much bigger city, because there would be competition with the Canucks and the 2010 Olympics (which I bet hockey fans are already budgeting for).

The tournament would not be in competition with the Canucks and Olympics. The Canucks would help market the tournament without a doubt. A tournament with NHL support would rake in the cash like nothing else....and this would be a pre-Olympic event. The Vancouver Olympic Committee would have some involvement in promoting this event.

Kamloops and Kelowna don't have big enough arenas to be the main draw for this tournament in Canada. A 6,000-7,000 seater just doesn't work anymore.

FlyersFan
12-29-2003, 06:17 AM
Kamloops and Kelowna don't have big enough arenas to be the main draw for this tournament in Canada. A 6,000-7,000 seater just doesn't work anymore.
Agreed. I don't think those cities would get the WJC either, I was just saying that IF the tournament went to BC, I think it would go to a city with junior hockey only. I agree that, in Canada, it has to go to a 10,000 seat venue.

In 1996, the WJC was in Boston, and I believe I heard/read that that tournamant had horrible attendance and, generally speaking, was one of the worst WJC tournaments ever (someone correct me if I'm wrong) because of competition with professional sport (Bruins, Celtics). Since 1996, the WJC have not gone to a city in North America with an NHL or other professional franchise. Because of this, I really don't see the WJC going to Vancouver in 2006, unless they can convince the IIHF that with all the local junior hockey content (Vancouver, Kelowna, Kamloops, Prince George, and even Seattle and Spokane), a WJC would not be hindered by big-time sporting events (ie: the Canucks and upcoming Olympic action, which I bet die-hard hockey fans are already budgeting for) like I believe it was in Boston.

One of the major reasons for Halifax's success was that the WJC was THE biggest hockey (and general sporting) event to ever hit the Maritimes. There was just so much hype about it. If you had WJC tickets, you felt like you were the king of the world, and you wouldn't have traded them for anything. They were even selling WJC merchandise in Fredericton. I still see people wearing the 2003 WJC t-shirts at my local YMCA. For the WJC to be a major success like it was in Halifax, I think you have to put it somewhere where it will be considered the single greatest hockey event to ever come to that region, as it was here in the Maritimes. If the Canucks make the playoffs in 2006, the WJC would be nealry forgotten. I'm not saying a WJC in Vancouver would not be successful, I'm saying that it would not better, or even equal, the 2003 Halifax WJC.

BCCHL inactive
12-29-2003, 09:04 AM
In 1996, the WJC was in Boston, and I believe I heard/read that that tournamant had horrible attendance and, generally speaking, was one of the worst WJC tournaments ever (someone correct me if I'm wrong) because of competition with professional sport (Bruins, Celtics). Since 1996, the WJC have not gone to a city in North America with an NHL or other professional franchise. Because of this, I really don't see the WJC going to Vancouver in 2006, unless they can convince the IIHF that with all the local junior hockey content (Vancouver, Kelowna, Kamloops, Prince George, and even Seattle and Spokane), a WJC would not be hindered by big-time sporting events (ie: the Canucks and upcoming Olympic action, which I bet die-hard hockey fans are already budgeting for) like I believe it was in Boston.


I hate to pull out the Canada vs. USA gun, but I have no choice. ;)

This tournament is a holiday tradition in Canada. Hockey fans from all walks of life, in big or small cities, young people and old people, etc....as long as they have access to a television, they will get up at all hours of the night to watch Team Canada play.

In the United States, lets face it...this tournament is not marketed like it is in Canada. Hockey fans do not follow the U20 team religiously like Canadians follow Team Canada.

You may be very right in saying that the Celtics and Bruins ruined Boston's World U20 party....but the Canucks and Olympics will only help such a tournament in Canada.

You may also be right about people budgeting for Olympic tickets, but there are also many, many people across Canada who will travel cross-country to watch this tournament (and yes, a Newfoundlander will travel to Vancouver for this tournament, just like people from BC travelled to Halifax last year) . There will be many people who cannot afford to budget for the Olympics (like me) who would jump at the chance to catch a pre-Olympic event like this tournament.

Slats432
12-29-2003, 09:31 AM
This tournament is a holiday tradition in Canada. Hockey fans from all walks of life, in big or small cities, young people and old people, etc....as long as they have access to a television, they will get up at all hours of the night to watch Team Canada play.



I woke up at 5:30 AM to watch Canada/Switzerland....I mean really, I could have just waited for the replay later in the day...

:shakehead

bindlerotor
12-29-2003, 10:23 AM
I don't need a link to say that the IIHF won't like even 4-5 hours between cities....it is common sense. That is simply too much travel for such a short-term event.



2003 was actually Halifax and Sydney ~ four hours apart.

The entire B pool (or whichever one Canada wasn't in) stayed and played in Sydney, so travel was not an issue - just one trip to hfx for the medal round.


btw, Centre 200 in Sydney only holds about 4500.

BCCHL inactive
12-29-2003, 10:31 AM
2003 was actually Halifax and Sydney ~ four hours apart.

The entire B pool (or whichever one Canada wasn't in) stayed and played in Sydney, so travel was not an issue - just one trip to hfx for the medal round.


btw, Centre 200 in Sydney only holds about 4500.

Maybe so, but Halifax holds over 10,000. Having only 4,500 as the secondary arena is alright....6,000-7,000 just isn't big enough to be the main drawing arena.

Kelowna to Vancouver is an easy 5-6 hours at this time of year. It is just too far, especially with all the resources in the Vancouver area. Why travel to Kelowna for 6,500 seats when you can take a ferry ride to Victoria for 7,500 seats?

gb701
12-29-2003, 10:32 AM
2003 was actually Halifax and Sydney ~ four hours apart.

The entire B pool (or whichever one Canada wasn't in) stayed and played in Sydney, so travel was not an issue - just one trip to hfx for the medal round.


btw, Centre 200 in Sydney only holds about 4500.

Great answer - I was about to agree with Van, but I think that the size of the centre and even the rink may not be as much of a factor for the round robin, so long as there is a reasonable rink for the medal round.

I still think that a major centre has the leg up this time, and if Vancouver is organized for the bid with Victoria, that is a combination that really works.

I just hope that Vancouver can put the event on with some style and real interest - there is a tendency for the lotuslanders to ignore sports events of all kinds and I am not convinced that there would be a great deal of support for non-Canadian games.

YellHockey*
12-29-2003, 11:14 AM
All this talk about BC is going to be moot because Ottawa is the best choice to hold the event.

It's the best junior hockey market in Canada.

It has a 18,500+ seat arena for the big games.

It has a 10,500 seat arena for the other games.

There is more then enough hotel space to meet the demand.

It's done a great job at hosting the Memorial Cup.

There are over 9,000 seat deposits takenand has been rising at over 1000 deposits each week.

littleD
01-04-2004, 10:41 PM
Anyone have any info on what cities have for seat deposits? I know Ottawa has gone over 10,000, just wondering about some other cities.

Zednik
01-04-2004, 11:12 PM
Didn't Quebec City break the record for the Memorial Cup attendance in 2003 ? One problem though, we don't have 2 arenas...