Whispers from around the NFL:

# Team observers aren't 100 percent convinced RB Edgerrin James will be in Indianapolis for the 2005 season. The Colts have said they plan to keep James, but the option to use the team's franchise designation and trade James remains a possibility. Remember, Colts president Bill Polian traded Marshall Faulk for draft picks.

# The Bills have given Travis Henry and his agent, Hadley Engelhard, permission to discuss a potential trade with other teams who might be interested in a 26-year-old back who has rushed for 1,300-plus yards twice in his young career, though he is coming off a leg injury that kept him out of the final five games of last season.

# With Seahawks RB Maurice Morris not considered heir-apparent material, word is the Hawks will seriously consider trading for a running back (Travis Henry? Reuben Droughns?) or signing one in free agency should Shaun Alexander depart. At presstime, our sources put the odds on Alexander leaving at 60-40.

# Buccaneers LB Derrick Brooks says he misses former teammates Warren Sapp and John Lynch – two guys from the days of the Bucs' old "creamsicle" uniforms – but he vows to turn things around next season. "I look at Simeon (Rice), Ronde Barber, (Mike) Alstott," Brooks told PFW. "I'm still looking to have those guys back to keep us away from the days of those orange uniforms. Two losing seasons in a row. That's pitiful. But we accept that. That's one thing that this team does well. We don't make excuses. We're going to rise again – next year."

# Expect Louisiana governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco to hold Saints owner Tom Benson to his vow to pay at least $40 million toward any new arena deal, be it a renovation of the Superdome or a new stadium.

# Buccaneers DE Simeon Rice says that his relationship with head coach Jon Gruden has never been stronger despite his criticism late in the season that the team lacked discipline. "I talked to Jon," Rice told PFW. "I was like, 'Listen, I'm not trying to get you fired. I like you.' In fact, I like him more now than I ever liked him before. I like him now because we understand each other, and we understand the lines of communication. I was like, 'Bro, if I can't state the obvious, it lets you know how bad this is.' "

# Word is that the fact Saints owner Tom Benson has a good personal relationship with head coach Jim Haslett is one of the biggest reasons Haslett not only was retained for next season, but also given a two-year extension.

# Soon-to-be free-agent WR Muhsin Muhammad has said he won't give Carolina a big home-team discount to assist the team's effort to keep him in town.

# We're told Panthers head coach John Fox looks at the interest that has been shown from other teams in his assistants, including TE coach Dave Magazu, as a compliment for the way the team turned its season around.

# Sources in Kansas City feel strongly that the Chiefs must select a cornerback with one of their first two picks in the draft, regardless of what happens in free agency. And the general consensus is they should shy away from their history of selecting college safeties and trying to transform them into pro corners.

# Word out of Oakland is that embattled defensive coordinator Rob Ryan is staying put for at least another year. Warren Sapp, despite rumors, isn't expected to be going anywhere either. Out of position for much of the year at defensive end in the 3-4, the Raiders would like to have him play inside more next season with a rush linebacker to his outside.

# Veteran DE Marco Coleman, who retired briefly in June before coming back to play a key role with Trevor Pryce out, is taking a few months to decide whether he'll return for another go-around. With Reggie Hayward facing free agency and a lack of depth at the position, the Broncos would like to have Coleman back. "If I come back, it will be with the Broncos," he said. "They know how to treat veterans better than any team I've seen."

# Broncos WR Rod Smith had a productive year but will be 35 by the time training camp rolls around, and Darius Watts' inconsistency likely means he can't be relied on for another year or two. As a result, the Broncos could be looking for a capable third receiver in the free-agent market.

# Look for the Broncos to try to pump some life into their return game during the offseason. Ideally, they'd like to avoid using RB Reuben Droughns on kickoffs and WR Rod Smith on punts, but they have little explosiveness or reliability elsewhere on the roster.

Courtesy: ESPN (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1968799)

I thought Edgerin was up for Free Agent status? Bummer

I have a feeling Miami will make a push to get him down there. I remember reading somewhere that he said he'd love to play in Miami.

insider is a joke

I would be surprised to see Law back next year, aging and very expensive. I would love to have him back but I would understand if the Patriots decide to move him. Perhaps a deal to Oakland for Buchanon?

Who's out there as a possible Third WR for the Broncs, FA or trading block? Shame to even think about Smith retiring, but one can't ignore age forever....

I think the Colts would be better served to use the money for Edge elsewhere.
I hope they do let him go, if they can sign and trade him and get something out of it, all the better.

Aren't we getting a little carried away with the NFL threads?

Aren't we getting a little carried away with the NFL threads?

No.

Aren't we getting a little carried away with the NFL threads?

No

No

Good answer :D

I wonder who is going to go after Muhammed? I doubt he will stay in Carolina because there will be bigger bucks somewhere else. If the Pats were to get rid of Law's contract, I would love to see them take a run at him. But I doubt they would.

Good answer :D

I think you beat me by about .01 seconds

I wonder who is going to go after Muhammed? I doubt he will stay in Carolina because there will be bigger bucks somewhere else. If the Pats were to get rid of Law's contract, I would love to see them take a run at him. But I doubt they would.

I can see 2 things happening:

#1 Burress doesn't re-sign in Pitt & they sign Muhammad. Burress goes to ATL.
#2 Burress re-signs in Pitt; Muhammad signs in ATL.

Not sure if either will happen, but I am 100% sure that we need a #1 receiver this off-season.

I can see 2 things happening:

#1 Burress doesn't re-sign in Pitt & they sign Muhammad. Burress goes to ATL.
#2 Burress re-signs in Pitt; Muhammad signs in ATL.

Not sure if either will happen, but I am 100% sure that we need a #1 receiver this off-season.

No doubt about that. Price is a great supporting receiver but he has clearly shown that he can not carry the bulk of the load. If I was Atlanta I would much prefer to have Muhammad. Burress just doesn't seem to be able to handle the wear and tear of an NFL season, hence the name "Plaxi-glass"

I think Muhammad is underrated, but maybe not now after the season he had. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a replacement for Burress, but I haven't seen him enough to know if he would fit in well with the Steelers... but if Cowher and the Steelers think he can, they'll make a push for him.

As for the TE, I was reading about the draft and there is supposedly a guy with good hands who will be available around when the Steelers pick. I don't remember his name.

I think the Steelers still ought to address the secondary. Willie Williams played well last week, probably saved a TD with a tackle on Lamont Jordan, but I think the secondary is still kind of a weakness for the Steelers. Williams in particular I am not confident in.

Muhammed in Pittsburgh if definitely interesting... The Steelers aren't going to plunge a ton of money into the WR spot either way, I hope, but if Muhammad comes cheaper than Burress, it could be worth a look.

# The Bills have given Travis Henry and his agent, Hadley Engelhard, permission to discuss a potential trade with other teams who might be interested in a 26-year-old back who has rushed for 1,300-plus yards twice in his young career, though he is coming off a leg injury that kept him out of the final five games of last season.

Dolphins and Cardinals have expressed interest.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1967680

Not sure if either will happen, but I am 100% sure that we need a #1 receiver this off-season.

I am also 100% sure that Peerless Price owes Eric Moulds at least one-half of his fat contract.

I would like to know where this guy thinks the Colts have the cap room to sign James ? and improve that simply stellar defense.

I would like to know where this guy thinks the Colts have the cap room to sign James ? and improve that simply stellar defense.

they dont

its one or the other.

I believe I read that Muhammed is due a $10,000,000 roster bonus if he's on the team in March. Or something like that. It all but guarantees Carolina will have to cut him.

I think the Colts would be better served to use the money for Edge elsewhere.
I hope they do let him go, if they can sign and trade him and get something out of it, all the better.

like on that weak @$$ defense of theirs?

Minnesota could do the 3-4 pretty well. Udeze is going into his second year and Williams is already a Pro-Bowler after only a year in the NFL.

But they would need a better owner than Red to fill the gaps. EJ Henderson and Dontarrius Thomas (I believe that's his last name) are only a 1 year vet and a rookie respectively and they were suppose to be good but LBs could be upgraded. But they need more than that. They need help in secondary and a nose tackle...

So I can't see them going to a 3-4 because of the holes they have.

Who's out there as a possible Third WR for the Broncs, FA or trading block? Shame to even think about Smith retiring, but one can't ignore age forever....

I would love to see the Broncs grab Muhammed and make Smith their 3rd WR. But, of course that won't happen.

Hmm, I wonder if Atlanta would consider trading Finneran. He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

Tennessee will probably release:

Rolle
Dyson
Schulters
Carter
Hall
Miller
Mason

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Teams in the FA market are pretty lucky.

Tennessee will probably release:

Rolle
Dyson
Schulters
Carter
Hall
Miller
Mason

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Teams in the FA market are pretty lucky.

http://titansonline.com/news/newsmain_detail.php?PRKey=2574 ... what would make you say such a thing?

Hopefully Indy trades James for something and then trades for Henry or goes with Rhodes as the starter. I'd be very happy with Rhodes as the starter, as I doubt it would have tons of effect. Edge is great, and he causes teams to use run defenses, but if teams are going to just sit back and expect a pass because Dominic Rhodes is in the backfield, then Manning will call a run every time.


I could see Muhammed go to one of New England, Pittsburgh, or Atlanta. I would also include Baltimore, but I think they'll have Plaxico Burress on their roster. If Burress goes elsewhere, then I definetely se Baltimore getting in on the Muhammed sweepstakes.



BTW, how much does Junior Seau make, and what's his status for next season? If he isn't too highly paid, and is playing next season, I'd like to see Indy get him in a deal for James. Buffalo probably won't want to send Henry to Miami, and I'm pretty sure Miami wants James. Seau is old, but he'd still be an upgrade over the Indy OLBs.

Hopefully Indy trades James for something and then trades for Henry or goes with Rhodes as the starter. I'd be very happy with Rhodes as the starter, as I doubt it would have tons of effect. Edge is great, and he causes teams to use run defenses, but if teams are going to just sit back and expect a pass because Dominic Rhodes is in the backfield, then Manning will call a run every time.


I could see Muhammed go to one of New England, Pittsburgh, or Atlanta. I would also include Baltimore, but I think they'll have Plaxico Burress on their roster. If Burress goes elsewhere, then I definetely se Baltimore getting in on the Muhammed sweepstakes.



BTW, how much does Junior Seau make, and what's his status for next season? If he isn't too highly paid, and is playing next season, I'd like to see Indy get him in a deal for James. Buffalo probably won't want to send Henry to Miami, and I'm pretty sure Miami wants James. Seau is old, but he'd still be an upgrade over the Indy OLBs.

Forget Seau, he's old. Go after Bell, Rolle, or Bobby Taylor to shore up that defence.

Hmm, I wonder if Atlanta would consider trading Finneran.

What do you offer?

What do you offer?

I don't know his exact worth, but I think a 3rd round pick would be enough. Just how valuable is he in your opinion?

Forget Seau, he's old. Go after Bell, Rolle, or Bobby Taylor to shore up that defence.

Good point. I'm not sure Rolle would want to come to Indy, as IIRC, he was one of the guys saying how he hates the whole Colts team(unless that was McNair or Mason, I'm not sure). He'd be a good fit either way. Seau, IMO, still has a bit left in the tank, and could be an influence on the younger guys, but good point, he is very old. Julian Peterson, if on the FA market, would be a dream.

Rolle, IMO, is the most consistent shut-down corner in the league. The only problem with him is he is small (which means he can't throw big hits), and has a tendency to miss 3 games a year. Regardless, the Titans would be smart to keep him no matter what the cost is. Talent like him has kept their defense from being killed even more in the air, and it simply does not come around very often.

http://titansonline.com/news/newsmain_detail.php?PRKey=2574 ... what would make you say such a thing?

Tennessee is blowing it up this year (McNair returning is the only thing that would change that). Titansonline.com is as optimistic as all other official team pages. Being 25 million$ over the cap is bad enough... having to trade away a top-10 pick because of that makes it even worse.

http://www.tennessean.com/sports/titans/archives/05/01/64198712.shtml?Element_ID=64198712

I don't know his exact worth, but I think a 3rd round pick would be enough. Just how valuable is he in your opinion?

Done!

I would love to see the Broncs grab Muhammed and make Smith their 3rd WR. But, of course that won't happen.

Hmm, I wonder if Atlanta would consider trading Finneran. He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

Holy Jesus.

Another Bronco fan.

:handclap:

I really don't understand the thinking of ANY Colts fan that actually thinks getting rid of the Edge is a good thing. How much of Mannings success can be attributed to the play action, and if you don't have a guy who can sell it as well as James or a top calibre back to bait them then it is useless and Manning's success will hurt as well. The other thing that contributed to Mannings success was the fact he audibled out of unfavorable passing defensive plays to running plays and without a credible back how much of a threat is that now ?

Here's some more:

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/news_story.asp?ID=112156&hubName=nfl

- The Washington Times suggests that the Redskins should get involved if the Minnesota Vikings are ready to trade Randy Moss and figures that OLB LaVar Arrington, a first-round pick and a second-round pick could be enough to persuade the Vikings.

I really don't understand the thinking of ANY Colts fan that actually thinks getting rid of the Edge is a good thing. How much of Mannings success can be attributed to the play action, and if you don't have a guy who can sell it as well as James or a top calibre back to bait them then it is useless and Manning's success will hurt as well. The other thing that contributed to Mannings success was the fact he audibled out of unfavorable passing defensive plays to running plays and without a credible back how much of a threat is that now ?

If they don't bite, Manning will run the ball every play with Dominic Rhodes. When Dominic Rhodes is consistantly running 100 yards or more on teams, then they'll take notice.

Rhodes ran for over 1,000 yards when James was hurt, so I'm guessing he's more than an unreliable back.

Even so, why should the Colts keep James? They could spend a 2nd rounder on Travis Henry if they felt the need, so if they got a 1st or more for James, then they could get something and more cap space for a back who is a not that much of a downgrade.

Dallas has a lot of Cap Space and Parcells said that it would be a very different roster. Expect a some cuts and free agent signings. Cowboys will most definately go after a CB, as they will not draft one in the first round in the draft (Parcells said they wouldn't). I can even see a WR signed by the Cowboys, as Glenn and Johnson are old, and Morgan can't catch.

If James wants to win instead of being dealt to a crappy team, he should take a lower salary so his team can help of the defence. Sadly, as Gee Wally say's, "It's all about the MONEY!"

I really don't understand the thinking of ANY Colts fan that actually thinks getting rid of the Edge is a good thing. How much of Mannings success can be attributed to the play action, and if you don't have a guy who can sell it as well as James or a top calibre back to bait them then it is useless and Manning's success will hurt as well. The other thing that contributed to Mannings success was the fact he audibled out of unfavorable passing defensive plays to running plays and without a credible back how much of a threat is that now ?

I don't think anybody thinks getting rid of James is a GOOD thing, just the PRUDENT thing.

Colts are tight on cap space. RBs are easier to replace than say OTs or elite WRs. Plus, James has had his troubles with injuries and RBs have a short shelf life in the NFL.

My guess is that every Colt fan hates to see James go, they just see it as the right move. I do as well. Given the choice between James at 5+ mil per (forcing major roster cuts) or signing a guy like Rhodes for <2 mil per, the choice is easy.

Would you trade Moss for Arrington JC?

I don't think anybody thinks getting rid of James is a GOOD thing, just the PRUDENT thing.

Colts are tight on cap space. RBs are easier to replace than say OTs or elite WRs. Plus, James has had his troubles with injuries and RBs have a short shelf life in the NFL.

My guess is that every Colt fan hates to see James go, they just see it as the right move. I do as well. Given the choice between James at 5+ mil per (forcing major roster cuts) or signing a guy like Rhodes for <2 mil per, the choice is easy.
the colts need to use more money on the defense, like you said RB's are much easier to come by and you can find a good one in the 3rd or 4th round of any draft year

Would you trade Moss for Arrington JC?

No. Moss is a far better WR than Arrington is a LB. Plus, Skins couldn't trade Arrington even if they wanted too. These idiot journalists making up these rumours should at least have a passing understanding of the Salary Cap before they make up crap.

If the Redskins trade Arrington this off-seaon, it is a 13 million dollar cap hit. They don't have that much cap room. With Smoot and others slated for free agency, they just don't have the room to pull off such a deal. Plus, Coles is earning 5-6 mil and Portis signed a deal making him the top paid RB in the league (at the time). Think any team can have HALF their cap tied up in THREE players (Portis, Coles and Moss)?

Vikes won't trade Moss. It doesn't make sense for Red nor would it make sense for a new owner. Just a lot of fluff by media types looking for attention and ratings.

The Moss/Arrington rumor has no basis of substance, it was speculation by a writer, and it would not be feasible for the Redskins with their cap situation.

I believe I read that Muhammed is due a $10,000,000 roster bonus if he's on the team in March. Or something like that. It all but guarantees Carolina will have to cut him.


Correct.

One thing, this bull about Muhammed & "hometown discount" is purely a made up story. Another thing, if they can get around the roster bonus while finding another means of giving him a fat contract he will get it.

Still, I truly feel that Muhammed is gone. I'm not to thrilled about the fact he waited until his contract year to start playing like he did when Beurlein was in town. His constant dropped passes and fumbling the past three seasons were driving me nuts, and I'm not sure if he's worth it ong term because of his age.

The Moss/Arrington rumor has no basis of substance, it was speculation by a writer, and it would not be feasible for the Redskins with their cap situation.

given the trend of trades in the nfl, there will never be a player-for-player trade of that magnitude, if...IF moss is traded it will be for a package of picks and maybe a few depth players

given the trend of trades in the nfl, there will never be a player-for-player trade of that magnitude, if...IF moss is traded it will be for a package of picks and maybe a few depth players

Oh really? And what about Portis for Bailey? Ogunleye for Booker (lesser extent, still a big trade).

Oh really? And what about Portis for Bailey? Ogunleye for Booker (lesser extent, still a big trade).

wow, two

wow, two
Thats two more than never. :)

The Chiefs need a good corner...gee, you think the front office has finally figured that out after the last 4 seasons? Article in the KC fishwrap today (editorial) saying the Chiefs should do everything in their power, including overpaying and handing out a monster signing bonus if nescessary, to land Ty Law should his days in New England be truly numbered. At 31 and coming off an injury, he's not exactly prime cut anymore but he's still one of the best in the business and would certainly add talent, heart and a winning attitude to a defense that aside from surprise rookie Jared Allen completely lacks attitude.

I quite like Eric Warfield as a #2 cornerback...problem is he is no #1 and Dexter McCleon and William Bartee would be nothing more than nickel or dime backs on a team trying to go somewhere. Luckily the draft also presents some good options at CB, which imo is one of the stronger positions at the top in an overall mediocre draft year. Pac Man Jones, Antrel Rolle, Carlos Rogers, and Justin Miller are all bona fide 1st round talents and a couple will still likely be available at the #15 slot. Heck, if the Titans release Samari, why not sign him and then draft Antrel? Yeah, its a pipe dream...still a fun one.

I'd also like to see the Chiefs go hard after Kendrell Bell...guy is coming of injury as well but he's still only like 24 years-old and would represent a huge step up at MLB over Kawika Mitchell and Monty Beisel.

Thats two more than never. :)

no one would ever give up a player the magnitude of lavar arrington for a headcase like moss...give it up...and dont throw your smile icons at me

no one would ever give up a player the magnitude of lavar arrington for a headcase like moss...give it up...and dont throw your smile icons at me
Lavar isn't the saviour your making him out to be... On great days he's a top-5 olb and for most of the season he's a good starter. Moss > Arrington.

Dallas has a lot of Cap Space and Parcells said that it would be a very different roster. Expect a some cuts and free agent signings. Cowboys will most definately go after a CB, as they will not draft one in the first round in the draft (Parcells said they wouldn't). I can even see a WR signed by the Cowboys, as Glenn and Johnson are old, and Morgan can't catch.
yeah, it's said that if John Abraham enters FA market, that Parcells will hop all over him. don't think the Jets let him walk though.

also, they will probably be looking at DL, CB and FS help in FA. Parcells supposedly really likes FS Dwight Smith from the Bucs and G Cosey Coleman from the Packers. I don't know a much about Coleman at all though. we'll see what happens.

no one would ever give up a player the magnitude of lavar arrington for a headcase like moss...give it up...and dont throw your smile icons at me
So no one would "give up" a good defensive player for the best WR in the game? And give what up? I could care less about these teams or the players, I'm not a fan of either. I just let you know when you said trades of this magnitude NEVER happen, you were wrong.

Lavar isn't the saviour your making him out to be... On great days he's a top-5 olb and for most of the season he's a good starter. Moss > Arrington.
yeah but, look at this way...if the Vikes are willing to trade the best WR in the game, doesn't that throw up some flags? I mean, Arrington isn't on the same level as Moss talent wise but he is a very good LB who still has a ton of upside. but probably the most important thing is, he is 10x the team player without all of the distractions and you can't measure that with statistics. if I was a Redskins fan, I wouldn't want to see that trade happen.

yeah but, look at this way...if the Vikes are willing to trade the best WR in the game, doesn't that throw up some flags? I mean, Arrington isn't on the same level as Moss talent wise but he is a very good LB who still has a ton of upside. but probably the most important thing is, he is 10x the team player without all of the distractions and you can't measure that with statistics. if I was a Redskins fan, I wouldn't want to see that trade happen.
crazy .. arrington is good but he's not the focal point of the skins defense .. while moss by himself need 2 guys to cover him all the time and he still manage to be the go to guy for minnesota offense...
it's not even close Moss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arrington and i do like the redskins!

crazy .. arrington is good but he's not the focal point of the skins defense .. while moss by himself need 2 guys to cover him all the time and he still manage to be the go to guy for minnesota offense...
it's not even close Moss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arrington
read my post...I never said they were close talent wise but there IS a reason why the Vikings would consider trading the best freeking WR in the game. don't you think that there has to be some pretty good damn reasons for them to want to trade him(if they even do)? he is a distraction on and off the field and IMO, the Vikes will be better off without him...if they go in that direction.

and i do like the redskins!
yeah, and the key word is like...I would like to hear a die hard, Redskins fan say that.

If i'm Minnesota I would seriously think of trading Moss for one of the best OLB's in the league and a couple of high draft picks. Any Vikings fan will tell you that their defence needs to be re-tooled, and a stud like Arrington would no doubt provide a good look. With Arrington on the field that defence all of a sudden looks pretty good (Arrington, Udeze, Winfield, Chavous, Williams) and you could use your draft pick(s) to get a WR or a running back.

Culpepper to Burleson is still a pretty nice combo...

read my post...I never said they were close talent wise but there IS a reason why the Vikings would consider trading the best freeking WR in the game. don't you think that there has to be some pretty good damn reasons for them to want to trade him(if they even do)? he is a distraction on and off the field and IMO, the Vikes will be better off without him...if they go in that direction.


yeah, and the key word is like...I would like to hear a die hard, Redskins fan say that.
actually i have no doubt in my mind that any redskins fan would say that Moss for Arrington would be a good trade if we didnt already have Coles and Gardner so i dont see Moss as a real need .. but it's clear in my mind that Moss value is way way higher than Arrington!

If i'm Minnesota I would seriously think of trading Moss for one of the best OLB's in the league and a couple of high draft picks. Any Vikings fan will tell you that their defence needs to be re-tooled, and a stud like Arrington would no doubt provide a good look. With Arrington on the field that defence all of a sudden looks pretty good (Arrington, Udeze, Winfield, Chavous, Williams) and you could use your draft pick(s) to get a WR or a running back.

Culpepper to Burleson is still a pretty nice combo...
Redskins won't go for Moss.
look more for the ravens!

no one would ever give up a player the magnitude of lavar arrington for a headcase like moss...give it up...and dont throw your smile icons at me

Johnson was a headcase, he got 2 1st round picks. Plus, he has never produced on a level close to Moss.

Arrington is a headcase in his own right. A woefully inconsistent LB that has proven difficult at best to coach.

Moss is a much better receiver than Arrington is a LB. Sure, LA makes those flashy plays now and then, but gives them up with equal proficiency.

For what it is worth, the Vikes staff is adamantly denying any and all rumors. They said they have not even completed the team's player evaluations, so trades have not even been discussed for a second. The rumor has no legs.

If i'm Minnesota I would seriously think of trading Moss for one of the best OLB's in the league and a couple of high draft picks. Any Vikings fan will tell you that their defence needs to be re-tooled, and a stud like Arrington would no doubt provide a good look. With Arrington on the field that defence all of a sudden looks pretty good (Arrington, Udeze, Winfield, Chavous, Williams) and you could use your draft pick(s) to get a WR or a running back.

Culpepper to Burleson is still a pretty nice combo...

Vikes offense with Moss has been one of the top units in the league year after year. When Moss was out, it slipped out of the top-10 for the first time since the mid-90's.

The defense needs improvement, but the offense needs Moss. Nobody commands the coverage he does. Burleson, Robinson and Campbell look pretty impressive as a #2-#3-#4. As a #1-#2-#3, it is below par.

Vikes do not need to trade for a player to improve the defense. They have the most cap room in the league (>20 mil) and only Wiggins (extremely replacable), Hovan (ended the year as a back-up and in need of an upgrade) and Dixon (will stay for cheap) as free agents. Plus, they have Smith or Bennett as trade bait (guessing a 3rd). With that amount of cap room, if they wanted to add a LB, they can sign one. For cheaper than what Arrington earns to boot.

If Moss is traded i think the Cards would be the best fit. Plus more than likely they would have to send a Boldin or Fitzgerald back along with picks which gives the Vikes a good (could be great) reciever in return.

If Moss is traded i think the Cards would be the best fit. Plus more than likely they would have to send a Boldin or Fitzgerald back along with picks which gives the Vikes a good (could be great) reciever in return.

Larry Fitzgerald is gonna be awesome, and he would be a huge boose for Miiny since he is a hometown guy. I doubt Denny Green would trade his young receivers for Moss.

I don't see why the Cards, who are on the way up, would trade for Moss... :dunno:
Especially since WR is not among their problems and needs.

Larry Fitzgerald is gonna be awesome, and he would be a huge boose for Miiny since he is a hometown guy. I doubt Denny Green would trade his young receivers for Moss.


Denny knows Moss and he knows what he can do more than anyone. While i like Fitz and Boldin they'll never bring to the table what Moss does.

In the first step of what's poised to be an off-season overhaul, the Dolphins granted the agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Patrick Surtain permission to seek a trade.

Among the teams that an industry source said could be interested in Surtain are Buffalo, Minnesota, Kansas City and Indianapolis.

Although he has made the Pro Bowl the past three seasons, the Dolphins have discussed internally if Surtain has the ideal size (5-feet-11, 192 pounds) or commitment to physical maintenance to mesh with first-year coach Nick Saban.

Dolphins General Manager Rick Spielman, who told Surtain's agent, Gary Uberstine, on Monday that he would grant their request to seek another address, declined comment Tuesday. The Dolphins must move out some players with high salary-cap figures because they are scheduled to be well over the projected limit.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2005/02/02/a1c_surtain_0202.html

Talk on the Vikes boards is that they may send one of their RBs for him in a package.

In other Vikes news, Charley Walters (take it for what it for what it is worth) is floating a rumor that Emmitt Smith may be joining Reggie Fowler's investment group to purchase the Vikes from Red McCombs.

Red McCombs bought the team in 1998 season for $246 mil. He is asking for $600-650 million now, even though he has never built a new stadium or upgraded the metrodome. Red is considered 'cheap' by many critics due to the Vikes small front office (no GM, minimal staff and scouts), low-paid coaches (Tice is the lowest paid coach in the NFL, skeleton staff of assistants and the lowest overall coaching salaries in the NFL) and minimal investment in the team (Vikes have had 20+ mil in available cap space the previous two years and have 30 mil this year).

Talk on the Vikes boards is that they may send one of their RBs for him in a package.

Don't see Surtain being traded for a RB even so we need one, I see us spending our #2 pick on Benson or Williams. I think Saban wants to start fresh with a RB straight out of college which would also means that James won't be heading here either.

Surtain for draft pick(s) or maybe a offensive lineman.

Talk on the Vikes boards is that they may send one of their RBs for him in a package.

I have to believe that the Vikes are the front-runners. I can't believe the Bills are that interested. I don't think Indy has the cap space. And I doubt KC is ready to part with Larry Johnson. Is Onterrio Smith + 2nd too steep a price for Surtain? I bet that's what Saben will ask for.

I have to believe that the Vikes are the front-runners. I can't believe the Bills are that interested. I don't think Indy has the cap space. And I doubt KC is ready to part with Larry Johnson. Is Onterrio Smith + 2nd too steep a price for Surtain? I bet that's what Saben will ask for.

A 2nd and Smith might be a bit much. A RB and a 4th (upgradable to a 3rd) is workable.

A 2nd+ for an aging, albeit good, CB who would otherwise be a cap causilty is too hefty of a price.

The Dolphins will probably try to get a RB packaged with a high draft pick for Surtain, but at the very worst, they could get a collection of picks for this year and next season, which would help them in their quest to trade for Travis Henry, if those rumors that they are interested in him are true.....Of all the situations discussed, KC and Indy seem like really good suitors, especially KC. They probably would be reluctant to deal Johnson plus a pick for Surtain, but the Chiefs secondary was so horrible last year, and having a shut down corner like Surtain would help immensely.......Surtain is a damn good corner, so either way, the Dolphins are looking at a really good return........

Talk on the Vikes boards is that they may send one of their RBs for him in a package.


What Vikes board?

What Vikes board?
He said boards.

Owns. O-wwwns....

A 2nd and Smith might be a bit much. A RB and a 4th (upgradable to a 3rd) is workable.

A 2nd+ for an aging, albeit good, CB who would otherwise be a cap causilty is too hefty of a price.

Aging?He's 28.He's had more INT's then any other corner the past few years.I doubt any of Minny's backs plus a 4th could get Surtain.

I hope Buffalo is serious in him....Henry for Surtain would be a great trade for both teams.

A Secondary of Clements,Surtain,Milloy,Vincent :bow:

Aging?He's 28.He's had more INT's then any other corner the past few years.I doubt any of Minny's backs plus a 4th could get Surtain.

I hope Buffalo is serious in him....Henry for Surtain would be a great trade for both teams.

A Secondary of Clements,Surtain,Milloy,Vincent :bow:

My mistake. For some reason I had his and Madison's ages flipped.

Surtain is a great CB, but still not sure I would want to part with a 2nd AND a back for him. We could get at least a 4th, more likely a 3rd for the RB. A 2nd and a 3rd for a would-be cap cut is a hefty price. Too hefty for a position that isn't an immediate need. It would upgrade the Vikes nickel package significantly, but the Vikes would still need help at Safety, Nose Tackle, Outside Linebacker and Kicker.

What Vikes board?

Take your pick. ESPN, Pioneer Press, KFFL.

A Secondary of Clements,Surtain,Milloy,Vincent :bow:

That would be one hell of secondary :eek: .....

I may be biased, but I think Indy has a nice shot at him. They have to deal with Edge first, obviously, but if they have interest in him now, they probably have cap room to take him in. I'm not too sure what Miami wants, but picks could probably go(a 2nd or so), and they could throw in one of the o-linemen(I'm talking about one of the right guards, not the tackles or Saturday).

Speaking of Edge, Manning said he'd take a cut to keep Edge, so it looks like that may very well happen. If they can keep Edge and add Surtain, things are definetely looking good for them.

That would be one hell of secondary :eek: .....

Eh, 3 of the 4 are old enough to play for the Red Wings. ;)

any chance for the Packers to get Surtain :dunno:

they really heed help in their thin secondary and with Bates coming in as the new DC he may want some of the players he's familiar with that fit into his system. davenport could be of interest and they have a couple second rounders this year. just a thought...

Garcia may be let go by the Browns and hes been quoted as saying he'll ask Nolan if he wants him in San Fran. It'd be good to have him back if its for cheap, but I dont think hes going to do much better with that bad o-line and lack of weapons than Rattay or Dorsey. I'd rather save the cap space and spend it elsewhere on spots that need more immidiate help.

I'm surprised Samari Rolle never gets mentioned as elite cover-corners likely up for grabs......

any chance for the Packers to get Surtain :dunno:

they really heed help in their thin secondary and with Bates coming in as the new DC he may want some of the players he's familiar with that fit into his system. davenport could be of interest and they have a couple second rounders this year. just a thought...

granted surtain is great, but i wanna see the packers start bringing in some good draft classes, they have the potential to do so this year. dont waste our picks on surtain. i think this time the packers should rely on building up with young talent rather than spending money on aging, expensive talent (lesson learned: joe johnson)--hate to say it but surtain would be a 'win now' move, and i dont think the pack is in the position of "winning now"

Trust me, with Bates in place, at least two of the first three picks will go to defense--I have hopes that the Packers will grab either Marcus Spears, Shaun Cody or Matt Roth at the 24th pick, and there's a depth of defensive talent available for two picks in the second round

I don't think GB needs secondary help that desparately...in the playoff loss, their problem was tackling, they were outmanned on the front seven...I think they need a strong defensive end, forcing Kampman to backup (where he'd be suitable, but he's NOT a starter)...Hannibal Naivies is pathetic, i think the packers are gonna aim for a linebacker in the second round...if we're LUCKY we can grab channing crowder in the first round and finally move Nick Barnett to OLB, where he'd be better.

Secondary, I'd aim to improve the safety position before cornerback...I really think Harris-Carroll-Thomas will be a good unit if given time, Mark Roman is a locker room cancer (you saw him pissing and moaning on the sideline during the vikings game)...i'd like to see a safety drafted (shazor?)

rest assured, with Bates, we'll have a very strong and consistent game plan, something slowik could never deliver

Word out of southern Florida is that they're looking for some offensive line help to give Feeley some time next year. Take it to the bank that Chad Clifton, Marco Rivera, or Mike Wahle would land the Pack Surtain...

Word out of southern Florida is that they're looking for some offensive line help to give Feeley some time next year. Take it to the bank that Chad Clifton, Marco Rivera, or Mike Wahle would land the Pack Surtain...

that deal I could handle...preferably Mike Wahle...Rivera seems to be the anchor of the o-line, Clifton is still my hero after coming back from the Sapp cheap shot (do not get me started...) What I like about the Packers' O-line is they have perfectly able backups ready to step in...Ruegammer, a guard, did a nice job for injured center Mike Flanagan...Kevin Barry, the 'extra' tackle in certain Sherman formations could start (though I think Clifton is too good to deal)...I'd certainly put up Mike Wahle

...I missed something here and im too lazy to read the rest of the thread, where did the news on the dolphins' desire to trade surtain come from?

that deal I could handle...preferably Mike Wahle...Rivera seems to be the anchor of the o-line, Clifton is still my hero after coming back from the Sapp cheap shot (do not get me started...) What I like about the Packers' O-line is they have perfectly able backups ready to step in...Ruegammer, a guard, did a nice job for injured center Mike Flanagan...Kevin Barry, the 'extra' tackle in certain Sherman formations could start (though I think Clifton is too good to deal)...I'd certainly put up Mike Wahle

...I missed something here and im too lazy to read the rest of the thread, where did the news on the dolphins' desire to trade surtain come from?

One of the sports TV stations here in Canada ''The Score'' said on their ticker that the Fins have given Surtain the right to look around for a deal, kinda like Buffalo with Henry.

Eh, 3 of the 4 are old enough to play for the Red Wings. ;)


Aside of Vincent,who would play Safety,it's not that old...

Milloy-32
Surtain-28
Clements-25

One of the sports TV stations here in Canada ''The Score'' said on their ticker that the Fins have given Surtain the right to look around for a deal, kinda like Buffalo with Henry.

considering miami's DC just took over for the packers, could be a good fit,

Aside of Vincent,who would play Safety,it's not that old...

Milloy-32
Surtain-28
Clements-25

Last time I checked, Milloy was a safety.

Last time I checked, Milloy was a safety.

WTF are you talking about?A safety is part of the secondary.

Safeties-Milloy,Vincent
CB-Clements,hopefully Surtain

Troy Vincent is a CB, no?

Troy Vincent is a CB, no?


Coaching staff converted him to Safety due to the strong play of Terrence McGee and that he is getting up there in age.

Aside of Vincent,who would play Safety,it's not that old...

Milloy-32
Surtain-28
Clements-25

Nevermind, I got Surtain and Sam Madison mixed up.

How 'bout this:

Indy franchises James and trades him to Miami for Surtain. Using the Portis/Bailey deal as a model, the trade becomes James for Surtain + 3rd (CHI). Miami gets an all-star RB and Indy gets a much-needed shutdown corner.

This move enables Miami to trade down in the draft and acquire extra picks, something Saban has expressed interest in doing. Miami looks set.

Now Indy has a gaping hole at RB as both Rhodes and Mungro are pending UFAs. I expect Indy to re-sign one or the other, not both. Indy could then inquire about Travis Henry as he's still young, a relatively established back in the league, and very cheap. He could be brought in to compete with either Rhodes or Mungro for the starting RB job.

At this point, Indy and Arizona would be the likely suitors for Henry. Indy would out-bid Arizona by offering their 2nd round pick against Arizona's 3rd round pick. Denny wouldn't offer the 'Zona 2nd rounder because it's just too high for Henry who doesn't have that kind of value in this market. For the Colts, it's no big deal because they already acquired a bonus 3rd in the Edge deal which comes just 8 or 9 picks later.

Miami gets their RB + bonus picks.

Indy gets a shutdown CB + solid RB.

The Bills get the 2nd rounder they desire for Henry.

WTF are you talking about?A safety is part of the secondary.

Safeties-Milloy,Vincent
CB-Clements,hopefully Surtain

I know what an effin safety is :rolleyes:

You said, "aside of Vincent, who would play safety" and I said Milloy. No need to get your panties in a knot.

How 'bout this:

Indy franchises James and trades him to Miami for Surtain. Using the Portis/Bailey deal as a model, the trade becomes James for Surtain + 3rd (CHI). Miami gets an all-star RB and Indy gets a much-needed shutdown corner.

This move enables Miami to trade down in the draft and acquire extra picks, something Saban has expressed interest in doing. Miami looks set.

Now Indy has a gaping hole at RB as both Rhodes and Mungro are pending UFAs. I expect Indy to re-sign one or the other, not both. Indy could then inquire about Travis Henry as he's still young, a relatively established back in the league, and very cheap. He could be brought in to compete with either Rhodes or Mungro for the starting RB job.

At this point, Indy and Arizona would be the likely suitors for Henry. Indy would out-bid Arizona by offering their 2nd round pick against Arizona's 3rd round pick. Denny wouldn't offer the 'Zona 2nd rounder because it's just too high for Henry who doesn't have that kind of value in this market. For the Colts, it's no big deal because they already acquired a bonus 3rd in the Edge deal which comes just 8 or 9 picks later.

Miami gets their RB + bonus picks.

Indy gets a shutdown CB + solid RB.

The Bills get the 2nd rounder they desire for Henry.


This looks great for all three teams. Miami gets the RB they need, they can trade down for extra picks, and if they can sign a QB like Warner, they can compete next year. Indy downgrades at RB, but it isn't a huge downgrade, and considering the strength of Indy's O-line, Henry may do pretty well if a Colt. They also get Surtain, and unless I'm completely mistaken, they might actually have some cap room, especially if Manning still takes a slight cut to make the team better. They also only downgrade a couple picks. Buffalo gets a low second rounder, but that just may be the best offer out there. This way, they also aren't sending him to a rival like Miami.

Indy might try and use the Portis/Bailey deal to get more from Miami for James, but if they did, it wouldn't be a whole lot more.

From a cap perspective, I don't think that trade would work for the Colts.

Norm Chow going to Tennessee is all but confirmed...


And how's this for some trash talk:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-01282005-440284.html

Steve Smith is one to talk. This is a guy who got suspended for punching a teammate.

From a cap perspective, I don't think that trade would work for the Colts.

I don't know neither of the three's salaries, but I do know Edge has a very big salary. I don't believe Surtain makes alot, same with Henry. Obviously, I don't know any of their salaries for next year(James would be franchised in such event), but I don't think it would put them over the cap.

surtain is hardly a shutdown corner

the trade would be better if the pick was a 2nd rounder isntead of a third

surtain is hardly a shutdown corner

the trade would be better if the pick was a 2nd rounder isntead of a third

Are you crazy? Surtain is the 4th best CB in the league.

LOL

surtain is hardly a shutdown corner

the trade would be better if the pick was a 2nd rounder isntead of a third

There are not many "shut down corners" in the league. I'm not gonna say if he is or isnt, but he's definetly a damn good DB(though, not a top 4 CB, sorry M_B :) ).

I don't know neither of the three's salaries, but I do know Edge has a very big salary. I don't believe Surtain makes alot, same with Henry. Obviously, I don't know any of their salaries for next year(James would be franchised in such event), but I don't think it would put them over the cap.

Surtain makes a lot...5 million base I thought plus his bonus.

I don't know neither of the three's salaries, but I do know Edge has a very big salary. I don't believe Surtain makes alot, same with Henry. Obviously, I don't know any of their salaries for next year(James would be franchised in such event), but I don't think it would put them over the cap.

The Colts are already near big cap trouble. Having a top 10 CB and Henry would be as bad as keeping Edge, if not worse.

Are you crazy? Surtain is the 4th best CB in the league.

I'm now convinced you make your opinions based on Madden.

The Colts are already near big cap trouble. Having a top 10 CB and Henry would be as bad as keeping Edge, if not worse.

Henry is on a real cheap contract....He's a bargain.

Henry made 750K in 2004 and is scheduled to make 1.25M next season, the final year of his contract.

Players usually get new contracts after they're traded. See Portis-Bailey.

Players usually get new contracts after they're traded. See Portis-Bailey.

I'm just providing the numbers that posters were refering to. It's still an assumption that a new deal would not be cap friendly for the Colts. The point is that the Colts are not in a position to select one of the bluechip RBs in the draft and Henry seems to be the best bang for your buck at this moment out of the available RBs in the league, at least when you compare numbers between, say, Davenport, Droughns, and Jordan. Rudi Johnson is another interesting option.

Players usually get new contracts after they're traded. See Portis-Bailey.

Unless the Colts plan on keeping Henry, they might just let him go, or sign him to a one or two year extension. They can draft a good RB at their position, and they might have some confidence about Dominic Rhodes being a future starter. If they were to acquire Henry, they might give Rhodes alot more carries, and if he impresses, no new contract for Henry. Or maybe they will give him a contract, who knows?


Can anyone tell me the salary for a RB who gets franchised this offseason?

Can anyone tell me the salary for a RB who gets franchised this offseason?

$5,167,000.

I'm now convinced you make your opinions based on Madden.

Name four that are better....

champ
mcalister
al harris
law

champ
mcalister
mckenzie
law

yes
yes
NO
and yes

yea i meant harris

Al Harris?

Al Harris?

al harris is good...maybe not top-four material, but he'd get more regard if the rest of his secondary didnt suck so badly. a lot of times this year he was left to cover the team's top recievers, and did a very admirable job. did a great job on moss on the christmas eve game, covered torry holt well in another game, i'd make a push for al harris to be on the cusp of the top ten

Name four that are better....

Woodson
Bailey
McAllister
Law

Those guys are for certain. Surtain is in the class just below those guys with the likes of Winfield, Glenn and Bly. I guess that might make him the 5th best, but he doens't have much on the 5-10 guys right below him either. 5th to 15th are about the same.

Springs, Rolle, Bly, Barber, and Clements are all >> Al Harris

Woodson
Bailey
McAllister
Law

Those guys are for certain. Surtain is in the class just below those guys with the likes of Winfield, Glenn and Bly. I guess that might make him the 5th best, but he doens't have much on the 5-10 guys right below him either. 5th to 15th are about the same.

I wouldn't call Woodson ''certain''. His best days are behind him.

This would be my top 10 in order...

1)Bailey
2)McAllister
3)Law
4)Surtain
5)Rolle
6)Trufant
7)Woodson
8)Bly
9)Winfield
10)Sheppard

Woodson
Bailey
McAllister
Law

Those guys are for certain. Surtain is in the class just below those guys with the likes of Winfield, Glenn and Bly. I guess that might make him the 5th best, but he doens't have much on the 5-10 guys right below him either. 5th to 15th are about the same.

How can you say Woodson? He was fairly overrated before this season, and he had a pretty horrible year. He's always been a physical corner, and his style just won't work with the new rule enforcement.

I wouldn't call Woodson ''certain''. His best days are behind him.

This would be my top 10 in order...

1)Bailey
2)McAllister
3)Law
4)Surtain
5)Rolle
6)Trufant
7)Woodson
8)Bly
9)Winfield
10)Sheppard
Antoine Winfield,Dre Bly,Lito Sheppard and Marcus Trufant over Clements? :lol

Antoine Winfield,Dre Bly,Lito Sheppard and Marcus Trufant over Clements? :lol

Why is that so absurd to you? Could it be that you're from Buffalo? ;)

Clements would be 11 on my list. :dunce:

Antoine Winfield,Dre Bly,Lito Sheppard and Marcus Trufant over Clements? :lol
Him over alot people, the man is a football player. In fact if I had two pick players to be my cornerbacks I know one of them would be most definetly Winfield.

I wouldn't call Woodson ''certain''. His best days are behind him.

This would be my top 10 in order...

1)Bailey
2)McAllister
3)Law
4)Surtain
5)Rolle
6)Trufant
7)Woodson
8)Bly
9)Winfield
10)Sheppard

Woodson's best years are behind him but you pimp Surtain? They are the same age. Everyone can have their opinion, but I would strongly disagree with that list.

Trufant over Woodson? That conculsion is based on only one year. I saw both those teams match-up against Moss the past two seasons. Trufant and the Seahawks got lit up. Woodson was one of the only CBs in the league who held his own against Moss 1-on-1. Without a pass rush to boot.

Lito Sheppard in the top-10? Again, clearly based on only this season. He had the benefit of a fantastic pass rush and two premiere safeties helping him out.

How can you say Woodson? He was fairly overrated before this season, and he had a pretty horrible year. He's always been a physical corner, and his style just won't work with the new rule enforcement.

Disagree. Woodson is still a top CB. He is just mired on a terrible team with arguably the WORST pass rush in the NFL. Tough for any CB to look good in a worst-case scenario like Oakland. Not to mention the injury bug.

Woodson's best years are behind him but you pimp Surtain? They are the same age.


Well, yes - they are both 28 (I think) which is still young. I'm just saying Woodson has shown a decline over the past 2 seasons, Surtain has excelled.

Him over alot people, the man is a football player. In fact if I had two pick players to be my cornerbacks I know one of them would be most definetly Winfield.


This guy is not a playmaker,he rarely gets INT's...he's a good corner,but he was barely missed this year as the defense still was #2...it showed that Nate Clements was indeed the much better corner.

This guy is not a playmaker,he rarely gets INT's...he's a good corner,but he was barely missed this year as the defense still was #2...it showed that Nate Clements was indeed the much better corner.
He did get three last year but I'd rather know that I have pitbull at the corner who you know you will defend it on the run as he does, and he is a fine cover man which might explain why he doesn't get that many interceptions.

He did get three last year but I'd rather know that I have pitbull at the corner who you know you will defend it on the run as he does, and he is a fine cover man which might explain why he doesn't get that many interceptions.

Clements is just as good defensively as Winfield,and yet in 2 less years,Clements has 2 times the amount of INT's Winfield has.

Clements is just as good defensively as Winfield,and yet in 2 less years,Clements has 2 times the amount of INT's Winfield has.
Dude, honestly I could care less. Like I said before, if I was going to start a football team I would want that man be one of my starting cornerbacks because the he's a football player that you win games with, the Patriots can attest to that. Is that ok with you now?

Does anybody else get fed up when people throw stats at you like it's the bible??

Clements is just as good defensively as Winfield,and yet in 2 less years,Clements has 2 times the amount of INT's Winfield has.

This has nothing to do with Clements still being a Bill and Winfield leaving of course...

This has nothing to do with Clements still being a Bill and Winfield leaving of course...


It doesn't.Would I still love having Antoine Winfield on my team?Of course.Would I rather have Nate Clements?No doubt.Most Bills fans thought the same thing before last off-season.

$5,167,000.

Definetely less than Surtain/Henry, but it's also less than James made this year. Edge made over 6 million, so the salaries should balance. He apparently wants more than he made this season, too.


Anyway, IMO, I agree with M-B. Surtain is the 4th best in the league. Woodson's great, but I'd say he's behind Surtain, the big 3(Bailey, McAllister, Law), and Samari Rolle. You can also make a case for Antoine Winfield. My top 10:

1)Bailey
2)McAllister
3)Law
4)Surtain
5)Rolle
6)Woodson
7)Winfield
8)Barber(did this guy get forgotten, or does nobody think he's a top 10 corner)
9)Trufant
10)Clements

Rolle is the better cover corner than Surtain, but Surtain brings more to the table due to Rolle's weakness in tackling...

Rolle is the better cover corner than Surtain, but Surtain brings more to the table due to Rolle's weakness in tackling...

Rolle is just behind Surtain on my list. I'm a big fan of him, but as a Colts fan, it'll be great to get him out of the division(if the Titans release him).

Damn. I may be a Colts fan, but I definetely liked alot of Tennesse's players, but if they release Rolle, they're all gone. Dyson, Wychek, George, Kearse, and Rolle. Worst part is most of them left in the past year or so.

Can anyone find the link for Quincy Carter's supposed checking in to rehab? ESPN Radio is reporting this, but I can't find a link as of yet....

Rolle is just behind Surtain on my list. I'm a big fan of him, but as a Colts fan, it'll be great to get him out of the division(if the Titans release him).

Damn. I may be a Colts fan, but I definetely liked alot of Tennesse's players, but if they release Rolle, they're all gone. Dyson, Wychek, George, Kearse, and Rolle. Worst part is most of them left in the past year or so.

I bet it will be great to get him out of the division.....You will see Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, etc. eat the Titans alive like they haven't been able to in quite awhile....Rolle completely shuts down his opponent when he is healthy. One of the top 3 cover corners in the game........If he had the physical prescense others had, he would be in contention for the best CB in the game.

Can anyone find the link for Quincy Carter's supposed checking in to rehab? ESPN Radio is reporting this, but I can't find a link as of yet....
Yep, also being reported he's bi-polar.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1985703

On SportsCenter, Mort reported that San Diego will likely tag Brees with the franchise label and shop him. He pegged Dallas as the likely suitor, having 2 1st round draft picks and a need at QB. Hypothetically, the deal would be Drew Brees for the 20th overall pick (BUF). This would give San Diego 3 1st round draft picks (12th overall, 20th overall + 28th overall). What do you guys think about this from either perspective?

Er..I wouldn't be so hasty to trade Brees thus far.

On SportsCenter, Mort reported that San Diego will likely tag Brees with the franchise label and shop him. He pegged Dallas as the likely suitor, having 2 1st round draft picks and a need at QB. Hypothetically, the deal would be Drew Brees for the 20th overall pick (BUF). This would give San Diego 3 1st round draft picks (12th overall, 20th overall + 28th overall). What do you guys think about this from either perspective?

As a Charger fan, I'm really on the fence with this. I think after the year Brees had, the Chargers should keep him around as the starter, because with the available cap money they have, they can afford to do so. But, say a Brees to Dallas for a 1st rounder does happen. Throw Rivers in as the starter, add 3 1st rounders to a team that doesn't have many glaring weaknesses, and I think the chances for success are very good. It's still a very tough call though........

As a Charger fan, I'm really on the fence with this. I think after the year Brees had, the Chargers should keep him around as the starter, because with the available cap money they have, they can afford to do so. But, say a Brees to Dallas for a 1st rounder does happen. Throw Rivers in as the starter, add 3 1st rounders to a team that doesn't have many glaring weaknesses, and I think the chances for success are very good. It's still a very tough call though........

What are the Chargers' needs exactly?

What are the Chargers' needs exactly?

I think their only real needs, are a free safety to replace Jerry Wilson, who aside from Brees is the Chargers only 2 UFA's, a pass rushing end and a big, playmaking wideoout. A younger OT could be drafted too, but that is not a nessecity, and the 2006 OT class is supposed to be very, very deep anyways. So say the Chargers deal Brees and get 3 #1's. WR's like Edwards, Williams, White, Williamson, and Clayton will be available, DE's such as Cody, James, and Spears, and Safeties such as Davis, Pool and Shazor being available, it's concievable that the Chargers could fill most of their needs with 3 1st round picks.......

I think their only real needs, are a free safety to replace Jerry Wilson, who aside from Brees is the Chargers only 2 UFA's, a pass rushing end and a big, playmaking wideoout. A younger OT could be drafted too, but that is not a nessecity, and the 2006 OT class is supposed to be very, very deep anyways. So say the Chargers deal Brees and get 3 #1's. WR's like Edwards, Williams, White, Williamson, and Clayton will be available, DE's such as Cody, James, and Spears, and Safeties such as Davis, Pool and Shazor being available, it's concievable that the Chargers could fill most of their needs with 3 1st round picks.......

Yeah, I'd target Thomas Davis at #12, Justin Tuck or David Pollack at #20, and probably Adam Terry or Troy Williamson at #28. Shazor is a strong safety, possibly a LB in the NFL, and Clayton is small. Obviously, the San Diego coaching staff has a better grip on Rivers' development than we do. If they are confident in him, I think you have to make that trade. It's amazing that the San Diego franchise was a laughing stock less than one year ago.

David Pollack is a freak.


However, he is too small to be a DE, he will have to switch to line backer. He will be way exposed against bigger guys.

Anyone know a reliable site for how over/under a team is in regard to the salary cap? ESPN says SF is 15 over and another side (cant remember) said they were 17 under.

David Pollack is a freak.


However, he is too small to be a DE, he will have to switch to line backer. He will be way exposed against bigger guys.

yeah he'd be a perfect fit on a 3-4 defense

Rolle is the better cover corner than Surtain, but Surtain brings more to the table due to Rolle's weakness in tackling...

The thing that holds Rolle back from joining the elite corners like Law, Bailey, C-mac, and Surtain is his 170 pound frame. He's tiny. If we're talking strictly coverage he's right up there with Champ Bailey. Sadly, he cant bring the physical packages that the others do. That includes Chuck Woodson now that I think of it.