Broncos Coach Loses It

RDRebelsfan
01-29-2005, 01:25 PM
The Swift Current Bronco's head coach, Dean Chynoweth, received a bench minor,10 min.misconduct, a gross misconduct and a game misconduct in tonight's match up against Kootney. The Kootney goalie ( Glass ) hammered a Bronco player with his blocker. The Bronco player fell to the ice looking dazed and not moving. Glass then went down and continued to hammer the Bronco player with his blocker. A melee broke out with the players on the ice. Glass then skated to the red line and removed his mask and gloves and challenged The Bronco goalie.

After everything cooled down, Glass only got 2 min. for roughing. Cheynoweth then proceeded to tell the ref that Glass should get more than a 2 min. for knocking out The Bronco player and starting the whole melee. The ref gave Dean a 2 min.bench minor. Dean then went balistic throwing water bottles at the ref. He then received 10,a game and a gross misconduct. The fans then proceeded to throw bottles and debris at the ref and Glass. R.C.M.P. were called in at the end of the game to escort the ref. out.

BCCHL inactive
01-31-2005, 04:16 AM
The coach got a Bench Minor and a Gross Misconduct. Coaches cannot recieve 10-minute Misconducts either.

http://www.whl.ca/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1000943


Looking at the summary, there was a High Sticking major and a Game Misconduct to Busto (Kootenay) at the stoppage of play in question. Perhaps this was the infraction that knocked out the Broncos player.

54Fisticuffs
02-03-2005, 11:21 PM
Van, it was Glass that knocked Murray out, not Busto. Glass simply snapped, it was a very ugly incident. Glass was essentially on top of Murray driving his head into the ice repeatedly with his blocker.

Rumor has it Glass actually broke his blocker in the process, if Borris hadn't noticed it Glass would have continued with his assault.


The 2 minute minor on Glass was a complete joke, the reason Glass likely came out to challenge Moir was because he likely believed he was already going to be tossed from the game for intent to injure, as he should have been.

I fully support the reaction from Dean, I just wish he had more water bottles.

BCCHL inactive
02-03-2005, 11:57 PM
I fully support the reaction from Dean, I just wish he had more water bottles.

And a longer suspension to boot. Throwing waterbottles at referees is never acceptable. If Chynoweth wanted to make a point of the incident, the right thing to do would be to write a letter to the league accompanied with a video of the incident. I would have thought a Major Junior coach would have that kind of maturity.

BTW, do you know Mr. Chynoweth enough to refer to him on a first-name basis?

Schlep Rock
02-04-2005, 09:23 AM
And a longer suspension to boot. Throwing waterbottles at referees is never acceptable. If Chynoweth wanted to make a point of the incident, the right thing to do would be to write a letter to the league accompanied with a video of the incident. I would have thought a Major Junior coach would have that kind of maturity.

BTW, do you know Mr. Chynoweth enough to refer to him on a first-name basis?

Am I missing something here? Since when does somebody have to know a coach to refer to him on a first name basis or was this a story before or something?

BCCHL inactive
02-04-2005, 11:54 PM
Am I missing something here? Since when does somebody have to know a coach to refer to him on a first name basis or was this a story before or something?

It's just my own personal opinion that if you don't know somebody in person who is in the public eye, you have no reason to refer to him/her by just their first name.

It's just common-place that athletes and coaches are referred to by their last name.

54Fisticuffs
02-05-2005, 01:11 AM
Swift Current is a small community, I have met and talked with "Mr. Chynoweth" enough that I call him by his first name when I greet him and he does the same when greeting me. So, yes is the answer to your question. I have also met ant talked with him at various hockey related events that I dont feel comfortable listing here, so just suffice it to say I have no problem calling him Dean.

In my opinion throwing water bottles was indeed the right thing to do, he stuck up for his team when the officials clearly failed to do so. I truly believe that if he had calmly sat on the bench and got out his typewriter after the game and wrote a letter to the WHL .. a game that was already out of hand would have been WAAAAAY out of hand as the players would have then started seeking their own retribution.

It isnt like he was throwing 80 mph split finger fast balls at the official, the bottles all appeared to be empty and light ... therefore impossible to throw with velocity. They were attention grabbers not injury attempts ... was he PO'd? You bet, and I guarantee that any coach would be in the same boat. Vancouver's coach was jumping up and down on the bench tonight because a trip wasnt called at the blueline ... how mad do you think he would be if Brule had been blockered unconscious by the goalie who only got a 2 minute minor as a result? I hazard to guess water bottles and fbombs would be flying all over the place.


You are entitled to your personal opinion in the matter, as am I. I was at the game and saw it first hand ... it would be a waste of bandwidth to even try to convince me otherwise.

BCCHL inactive
02-05-2005, 02:03 AM
In my opinion throwing water bottles was indeed the right thing to do, he stuck up for his team when the officials clearly failed to do so. I truly believe that if he had calmly sat on the bench and got out his typewriter after the game and wrote a letter to the WHL .. a game that was already out of hand would have been WAAAAAY out of hand as the players would have then started seeking their own retribution.


Chynoweth clearly took the immature road. Throwing waterbottles at referees is not sticking up for your team, no matter what happens on the ice. It doesn't matter if they're full or not. I'm not worried about the officials getting hurt by a bottle, I'm worried about the example Chynoweth has set for his players.

If you think the players would have lost control of themselves had Chynoweth not lost his temper, that speaks very badly of how Chynoweth runs his bench. A coach's responsibility is to control his players in such situations. Why do you think coaches get fined and suspended for multiple fight situations?

Again, the right thing for Chynoweth to have done, was to make damn sure his players stayed calm, and diplomatically made an official complaint through the WHL's procedure for doing so. By taking a Gross Misconduct, do you really think the league will take him seriously in the future? No chance.

Buannan
02-05-2005, 11:52 AM
Dean (and yes, I know him well enough to be on a first name basis with him) is human...and, although he was a very tough player, he's a very mellow coach...he lost it...as HUMANS often do
was it appropriate? no
would most coaches have done the same thing in his position? I would hazard a guess and say, yes...that or something similar
there was NO excuse for that call, Glass should have been kicked out, if that wasn't an attempt to injure, then just what is?
and, from what I've been told, the tape WAS sent to the WHL and they either REFUSED to review it or said that the call was a fair one (hence the fact that NO suspension was given to Glass)

now, what kind of example does THAT send to the players?

that some "golden" boys are above the rules

not pretty at all

(just as a disclaimer, I have nothing against Glass, he's a damn good player, and I have nothing against fighting in hockey, it's part of the sport...but Glass's actions were inexcusable and dangerous)

54Fisticuffs
02-05-2005, 09:29 PM
Van you are entitled to your opinion, but in due respect you were not there and I think your opinion would change if it was your coach and your player getting attacked.

So go ahead and call him immature if you want, Im sure he would get a chuckle out of the suggestion. The truly immature thing for Dean to do in that situation is send someone after Glass or one of their players. In my opinion when an opposing team attacks your player, followed by the official letting it go, someone has to do something. If Dean doesnt send a message right there, the next step is for the teammates to send the message.

I also agree with Buannan, and it is a mild annoyance that this thread is actually about Chynoweth and not Glass's missing match and suspension.

P.S. What do you think of Crawford in Vancouver? A clearly immature coach that runs his bench poorly and has no respect with the league in future grievances? Just wondering.

BCCHL inactive
02-05-2005, 09:39 PM
Van you are entitled to your opinion, but in due respect you were not there and I think your opinion would change if it was your coach and your player getting attacked.

So you admit your opinion is biased.

I don't watch the WHL to cheer for any specific team. I watch the WHL for the hockey.


In my opinion when an opposing team attacks your player, followed by the official letting it go, someone has to do something.

Why? That doesn't make sense to me. Throwing waterbottles at referees accomplishes nothing, and it sets a bad example for the players. If I am a coach in that situation, I would tell my players that we know it got missed, but there is ******* all we can do about it. We will deal with it using proper league procedures, meanwhile you boys just go out and play hockey.


P.S. What do you think of Crawford in Vancouver? A clearly immature coach that runs his bench poorly and has no respect with the league in future grievances? Just wondering.

Not that it has anything to do with this topic, I think Crawford is a great hockey mind who can lead an NHL team very far, if not to a championship. He has done it before after all. The only mistake he made in recent years was having Bertuzzi on the ice while losing 8-2 to Colorado. At the same time, Tony Granato was just as stupid for having Moore on the ice in the same situation. Crawford does whine about officials a little more than he's worth, and it will come back to haunt him in the future.

Was that what you wanted to hear?

Slats432
02-05-2005, 09:42 PM
He should have Tom Webstered him. :D

Kidding.

54Fisticuffs
02-05-2005, 10:35 PM
So you admit your opinion is biased. I don't watch the WHL to cheer for any specific team. I watch the WHL for the hockey.

Van, you obviously mis-read my previous post, I suggested that "your" opinion would change if it were your player or coach and mentioned nothing about a bias in my opinion.

Many people would react to your above statement by claiming complete objectivity when watching their team play. I love hockey, and I love my team, as such I am indeed a bit biased towards them. Does that make my opinion wrong, or any less valid than someones who is making their mind up based on reading a scoring summary and having never seen the attack or the resulting response?

I dont think it does, but that might be my bias talking.

Why? That doesn't make sense to me. Throwing waterbottles at referees accomplishes nothing, and it sets a bad example for the players. If I am a coach in that situation, I would tell my players that we know it got missed, but there is ******* all we can do about it. We will deal with it using proper league procedures, meanwhile you boys just go out and play hockey.

If I am a coach in that situation, I would do the exact same thing as Dean, which is exactly why I dont have a problem with his actions. My opinion would change in a heartbeat if I thought he intended to injure the official. In my opinion the official is more to blame for losing control over this game by missing a flagrant penalty then recognizing it with a 2 minute minor and not taking the time to explain the situation to Chynoweth.

I will again suggest that you would find a large number of coaches in the WHL, AHL, or NHL who would have reacted in similar fashion. Crawford's anger about the Moore hit boiled for some time after the event and he made comments to the media that made it obvious that he knew his team would seek retribution, or even worse he possibly encouraged it.

Placing any blame on the opposition coach for that Bertuzzi incident, then using the word bias in a negative connotation to another poster who is defending a coach for a reaction that pales in comparison to the infraction committed by Glass ... well I wont judge you for your opinion.

But I doubt we will agree on much, we must be from different worlds.

BCCHL inactive
02-05-2005, 10:54 PM
If I am a coach in that situation, I would do the exact same thing as Dean, which is exactly why I dont have a problem with his actions. My opinion would change in a heartbeat if I thought he intended to injure the official. In my opinion the official is more to blame for losing control over this game by missing a flagrant penalty then recognizing it with a 2 minute minor and not taking the time to explain the situation to Chynoweth.

1. It has nothing to do with wanting to injure the referee. It has everything to do with Chynoweth expressing his frustrations in completely the wrong manner and setting a horrible example for his players. Bottom line, coaches at this level need to be able to compose themselves.

2. Referees are trained to not talk to coaches. The fact that some do give explanations to coaches at levels as high as junior (and even pro) is one of my biggest pet peeves with officiating. That is what captains and assistant captains are for. They are the line of communication between referees and coaches.



I will again suggest that you would find a large number of coaches in the WHL, AHL, or NHL who would have reacted in similar fashion.

I never disagreed with that, but it doesn't make it right.

54Fisticuffs
02-05-2005, 11:11 PM
1. It has nothing to do with wanting to injure the referee. It has everything to do with Chynoweth expressing his frustrations in completely the wrong manner and setting a horrible example for his players. Bottom line, coaches at this level need to be able to compose themselves.


1. It has everything to do with Chynoweth expressing his frustrations so the kids dont take it upon themselves to even the score in a MUCH more inappropriate manner. This was Dean trying to get the attention of the official for the explanation of a 2 minute minor on a very dangerous and rare incident. If that official comes over and says "I didnt see it, the league will have to review it" the water bottles never get tossed, the fans dont toss stuff, and the focus goes back onto Glass.



2. Referees are trained to not talk to coaches. The fact that some do give explanations to coaches at levels as high as junior (and even pro) is one of my biggest pet peeves with officiating. That is what captains and assistant captains are for. They are the line of communication between referees and coaches.

When an incident like this arises, and official who doesnt take adequate time to talk to the coach is asking to lose control of a game. Thompson could have taken a minute or two to explain why he only called a 2 minute minor for an attempt to injure. I would hazard a guess that he never saw it, and called the minor for what happened after the attack. Had he explained that to the coaches, he wouldnt have lost control of the game, and Dean wouldnt have had to toss bottles at him to get his attention.


I never disagreed with that, but it doesn't make it right.

Doesnt make it wrong either, I dont remember seeing you making this much of an argument against Crawford for his actions.

BCCHL inactive
02-06-2005, 12:06 AM
1. It has everything to do with Chynoweth expressing his frustrations so the kids dont take it upon themselves to even the score in a MUCH more inappropriate manner.

But why don't the players have the maturity to not let that happen, and why couldn't Chynoweth find a better avenue to not let that happen? I don't believe for one second that any Swift Current players would have lost their heads and done something stupid had Chynoweth not thrown any waterbottles.



When an incident like this arises, and official who doesnt take adequate time to talk to the coach is asking to lose control of a game. Thompson could have taken a minute or two to explain why he only called a 2 minute minor for an attempt to injure. I would hazard a guess that he never saw it, and called the minor for what happened after the attack. Had he explained that to the coaches, he wouldnt have lost control of the game, and Dean wouldnt have had to toss bottles at him to get his attention.

I have a hard time believing that Chynoweth calmly asked for an explanation. No referee will approach a bench where the coach is showing any signs of possibly losing his temper. If a referee goes to a coach behaving like such, he is begging for confrontation.



Doesnt make it wrong either, I dont remember seeing you making this much of an argument against Crawford for his actions.

That's because this thread is about Dean Chynoweth, not Marc Crawford. I still can't figure out why you brought Crawford up.

54Fisticuffs
02-06-2005, 12:30 AM
But why don't the players have the maturity to not let that happen, and why couldn't Chynoweth find a better avenue to not let that happen? I don't believe for one second that any Swift Current players would have lost their heads and done something stupid had Chynoweth not thrown any waterbottles.

You are aware that the players in the WHL are for the large part still kids right? These arent 30 year old men, for the most part this team is made up of 17 and 18 year old kids/young men.

If the concept of teammates sticking up for each other when nobody else does goes over your head then I question whether you were ever the member of a team, certainly not a hockey team.


I have a hard time believing that Chynoweth calmly asked for an explanation. No referee will approach a bench where the coach is showing any signs of possibly losing his temper. If a referee goes to a coach behaving like such, he is begging for confrontation.

You really shouldnt talk about a situation that you didnt see for yourself. You are passing judgement on people and their actions having no knowledge of the events. So really it doesnt matter what you have a easy or hard time believing. You will NEVER convince me of your argument, I mentioned that earlier but here you are still trying.



That's because this thread is about Dean Chynoweth, not Marc Crawford. I still can't figure out why you brought Crawford up.

I brought it up because you are judging someone for doing something you didnt see, and strongly arguing that he is immature, and is bad behind the bench. I wanted to get a bearing on how you would judge someone on a team closer to you.

BCCHL inactive
02-06-2005, 12:48 AM
You are aware that the players in the WHL are for the large part still kids right? These arent 30 year old men, for the most part this team is made up of 17 and 18 year old kids/young men.

These are semi-pro hockey players. Their maturity level is expected to be better than the average high school teen, and rightfully so.


If the concept of teammates sticking up for each other when nobody else does goes over your head then I question whether you were ever the member of a team, certainly not a hockey team.

I played for 10 years and coached for 4 years. This is not a situation of sticking up for your team. This is a situation of a coach attempting to do that, but failing miserably by taking a Gross Misconduct. How is getting suspended sticking up for your team?

Referees are not paid to stick up for players. They are paid to react to what happens on the ice, and apply the rules as they see fit. I'm not saying mistakes are not made, but when they are, there are ways to go about it. Throwing waterbottles at the referee is not one of those ways.



I brought it up because you are judging someone for doing something you didnt see, and strongly arguing that he is immature, and is bad behind the bench. I wanted to get a bearing on how you would judge someone on a team closer to you.

What do you mean by a team closer to me? Could it be possibly that you brought up Crawford because you anticipated me saying that he is a great and flawless coach, only to bring something up that he did which you think is immature, then accuse me of bias? I'm not stupid.

I never once said Chynoweth is a bad coach behind the bench. I see a scoresheet with a Gross Misconduct due to the fact that Chynoweth threw waterbottles at the referee. I am saying that this one act is immature and was never going to accomplish anything.

54Fisticuffs
02-06-2005, 01:23 AM
These are semi-pro hockey players. Their maturity level is expected to be better than the average high school teen, and rightfully so.

These are 17 year olds on a team. I can't believe a former player would fail to understand this concept.




I played for 10 years and coached for 4 years. This is not a situation of sticking up for your team. This is a situation of a coach attempting to do that, but failing miserably by taking a Gross Misconduct. How is getting suspended sticking up for your team?

Referees are not paid to stick up for players. They are paid to react to what happens on the ice, and apply the rules as they see fit. I'm not saying mistakes are not made, but when they are, there are ways to go about it. Throwing waterbottles at the referee is not one of those ways.

This IS a situation of a coach sticking up for his team, and in the process he got suspended. The two concepts are NOT MUTALLY EXCLUSIVE.

If referees are not paid to protect players and enforce the rules, then what the bloody ___ good are they. If the official had made the appropriate call, acknowledged the complaint, or simply said he didnt see it happen we wouldnt be having this discussion and YOU wouldnt be passing judgement on events you did not witness.



What do you mean by a team closer to me? Could it be possibly that you brought up Crawford because you anticipated me saying that he is a great and flawless coach, only to bring something up that he did which you think is immature, then accuse me of bias? I'm not stupid.

Yes, that is exactly why I brought up Crawford. Because in acknowledging that situation you place blame on Colorado's coach without going into a tyraid of how immature, inappropriate he was.

Bias, I could care less about bias. The VAST majority of hockey fans hold a bias towards their favorite teams and players. The mistake is to think that bias disproves every thing they say, or that someone claiming to be unbiased, has a more valuable opinion.



I never once said Chynoweth is a bad coach behind the bench. I see a scoresheet with a Gross Misconduct due to the fact that Chynoweth threw waterbottles at the referee. I am saying that this one act is immature and was never going to accomplish anything.


"A clearly immature coach that runs his bench poorly and has no respect with the league in future grievances?"

It doesnt matter if you think this one act was immature ... YOU NEVER SAW IT, and to comment that it never accomplished anything without talking to the players that play for him, is at best a massive assumption.

BCCHL inactive
02-06-2005, 02:35 AM
These are 17 year olds on a team. I can't believe a former player would fail to understand this concept.

Ask any WHL coach the maturity level they expect from their players, and it won't be that of your typical teenage kid. The vast majority of Major Junior players are 18-19, which are legal adults (19 only being the age of majority for alcohol and tobacco in most provinces). They are semi-professional hockey players.


If referees are not paid to protect players and enforce the rules, then what the bloody ___ good are they.

There is a big difference between "sticking up" for players and protecting players. In fact, they are two entirely different concepts.


If the official had made the appropriate call, acknowledged the complaint, or simply said he didnt see it happen we wouldnt be having this discussion and YOU wouldnt be passing judgement on events you did not witness.

You still do not understand that if a coach is irate, a referee is not going near the bench. This has been emphasized at my officiating clinics in each of the 8 seasons I have worn stripes. You are already somewhat overstepping your bounds by going to the bench even with a calm coach because of the fact that teams have 'C's and 'A's.


Yes, that is exactly why I brought up Crawford. Because in acknowledging that situation you place blame on Colorado's coach without going into a tyraid of how immature, inappropriate he was.

How conveniently you forget that I said Crawford made a mistake by playing Bertuzzi when he was down 8-2 in a game where retribution on Moore was pledged by the entire Vancouver team. In my opinion, both coaches should have had both players glued to the bench in the 3rd period of that game.

Besides, as a new user with 7 of his 9 posts in this thread alone, how do you know what NHL team(s) I support?


It doesnt matter if you think this one act was immature ... YOU NEVER SAW IT, and to comment that it never accomplished anything without talking to the players that play for him, is at best a massive assumption.

I'm basing my opinions on what has been said here. This IS a discussion forum. Get used to it.

54Fisticuffs
02-06-2005, 12:00 PM
Ask any WHL coach the maturity level they expect from their players, and it won't be that of your typical teenage kid. The vast majority of Major Junior players are 18-19, which are legal adults (19 only being the age of majority for alcohol and tobacco in most provinces). They are semi-professional hockey players.

True, the vast majority of major junior players are 18-19, I should point out I am not talking about all major junior players. I am talking about the Swift Current Bronco major junior players. We are much younger than the average major junior team.

For example we only have 2 overagers this year, and only 2 guys who will become overagers next year. The rest of the team is split with 17/18 year olds.

But that really doesnt matter, the notion that kids wont retaliate or defend themselves and their teammates because of their high maturity level at the age of 19 is ludicrous.

Was Bertuzzi under the age of 19 when he broke Moore's neck? Was Marty McSorley underneath the semi-pro level when he took a baseball swing at Brashear? What about Dino Ciccarelli trying to take Richardsons head off? What about Mann breaking Gardner's jaw? There is a veritable plethora of incidents that are documented at this level, and higher levels involving older players .. ones old enough to drink, drive, smoke, vote, etc etc any other factor you want to use to determine maturity level.


You still do not understand that if a coach is irate, a referee is not going near the bench. This has been emphasized at my officiating clinics in each of the 8 seasons I have worn stripes. You are already somewhat overstepping your bounds by going to the bench even with a calm coach because of the fact that teams have 'C's and 'A's.

I understand that perfectly, you are jumping to conclusions again.

I also think I found your bias in this thread, I was wondering why you would so adamantly blame the coach in an incident that was really Glass's fault and the officials mistake.

It is perfectly acceptable that on a trip, slash, hook, etc etc for an official to talk only to the captain. But this incident was not a run of the mill standard penalty. When a player is ko'd by another player who is using his blocker, and the official calls a 2 minute minor then makes NO effort to explain himself to the coaches ... he is begging to lose control of the game, and that is EXACTLY what happened.




How conveniently you forget that I said Crawford made a mistake by playing Bertuzzi when he was down 8-2 in a game where retribution on Moore was pledged by the entire Vancouver team. In my opinion, both coaches should have had both players glued to the bench in the 3rd period of that game.

How convenient is it that you will argue to the end of the world to make everyone think Dean was at fault, yet only mention Crawford made a mistake ... then in the same paragraph pass blame on to Colorado's coach.

This has nothing to do with the events of the game where Bertuzzi attacked Moore. That whole time leading up to that game Crawford could have foreseen the retribution coming .. he talked about it, and seemed as though he encouraged it. But you dont mention that.

Besides, as a new user with 7 of his 9 posts in this thread alone, how do you know what NHL team(s) I support?

Another assumption on your behalf, ask yourself if it is possible that someone reads a message board but doesnt post.

I normally dont post on this board because nothing is ever local, then after going to a game and (SEEING IT WITH MY EYES), come on here and see this thread. I post.


I'm basing my opinions on what has been said here. This IS a discussion forum. Get used to it.

You are ignoring the first hand accounts being stated here, and basing your opinions on the opposite. When you ignore first hand accounts of things that happen on the ice, then place blame on someone in the process ... I will call you on it, get used to that.

MikeS
02-06-2005, 03:19 PM
Boy, does this sound familiar:

a coach sticking up for his team, willing to get tossed by making a big enough spectacle so as to draw attention to a bad call or non-call, and Van (or Mr. Van), not having seen the incident, automatically asserting the officials do no wrong.... :shakehead

officials make mistakes, just like any other human being, and coaches, as human beings, react. Sometimes the reaction is calculated to draw attention to the incident and sometimes to show support for the players. Sometimes both. Sometimes they just blow a gasket! I didn't see or hear this incident, just read the accounts. If I were a betting man, I'd bet "Mr. C" knew what he was getting himself into and would probably do the same if it happened again, but you might ask him that (if you know him personally, that is...).

BCCHL inactive
02-06-2005, 03:24 PM
It is perfectly acceptable that on a trip, slash, hook, etc etc for an official to talk only to the captain. But this incident was not a run of the mill standard penalty. When a player is ko'd by another player who is using his blocker, and the official calls a 2 minute minor then makes NO effort to explain himself to the coaches ... he is begging to lose control of the game, and that is EXACTLY what happened.

A referee doesn't have to "explain himself" to anybody. The only thing a referee needs to do in such a situation, is have both captains at the referee's crease to tell them (tell, not discuss) what penalties are handed out. The times you see referees at the benches talking to coaches, it is never a discussion, it is the referee telling the coach what is happening. Once a coach tries to get his two cents in or control the conversation, the referee always skates away.



How convenient is it that you will argue to the end of the world to make everyone think Dean was at fault, yet only mention Crawford made a mistake ... then in the same paragraph pass blame on to Colorado's coach.


At fault for what, his own actions? Damn rights. Saying Crawford made a mistake is the exact same thing. I did not pass the blame onto Granato, I said that he was also at fault. That doesn't excuse Crawford. They both should have had their players in question on the bench. You're just turning everything I say into something that supports yourself. Don't put words into my mouth.

BCCHL inactive
02-06-2005, 03:26 PM
Boy, does this sound familiar:

a coach sticking up for his team, willing to get tossed by making a big enough spectacle so as to draw attention to a bad call or non-call, and Van (or Mr. Van), not having seen the incident, automatically asserting the officials do no wrong.... :shakehead


Again ...putting words into my mouth.

I never once said the referee did not make a mistake. I cannot make that claim either way.

What I am saying, and for some reason this person cannot comprehend it, is that throwing waterbottles at referees is not acceptable under any circumstances. If a referee makes a mistake, there are ways to deal with it. Chucking waterbottles is not one of them.

Gibsons Finest
02-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Again ...putting words into my mouth.

I never once said the referee did not make a mistake. I cannot make that claim either way.

What I am saying, and for some reason this person cannot comprehend it, is that throwing waterbottles at referees is not acceptable under any circumstances. If a referee makes a mistake, there are ways to deal with it. Chucking waterbottles is not one of them.

Maybe it's not acceptable, but maybe it'd teach the ref something. This kid was knocked out by a goalie who snapped, using his blocker, and he got a 2 minute penalty for it? That's unacceptable. This is inviting Glass to do it again, and if he were to do it, but an adequate official gave him an intent to injure penalty, he wouldn't be suspended as a repeat offender, which he should be. Maybe the ref knows know what can happen if you're not going to make what should be a simple call. Hitting a player with your blocker, as a goalie, is a suspension, and likely an intent to injure penalty. He called roughing, so obviously he knows Glass used his blocker. Chynoweth yelling at him allows the ref to convince himself he's right, to stand up to the coach. Having to avoid water bottles maybe shows it was a really bad non-call.

You've accused this Broncos fan of being biased because he is indeed a Broncos fan, but we all know you're a referee, and we've all seen you constantly stand up for the officials.


On a further note, WHL officiating has gotten out of hand. Brent Parker, the freaking Chairman of the WHL Officiating Board, was fined $1000 for complaining about horrid officiating. Hopefully they start training officials better, or else this is going to go alot further.

BCCHL inactive
02-06-2005, 11:23 PM
Maybe it's not acceptable, but maybe it'd teach the ref something.

It won't. Referees are trained to not take such actions from coaches seriously, with the exception to penalize them appropriately. If a mistake was made, he will be told by his supervisor(s) and the league. That is where he will learn from his mistake, not from a coach throwing waterbottles.


He called roughing, so obviously he knows Glass used his blocker.

That doesn't make sense. Goaltenders don't have to use their blockers to get a Roughing penalty.


You've accused this Broncos fan of being biased because he is indeed a Broncos fan, but we all know you're a referee, and we've all seen you constantly stand up for the officials.

The natural bias for players, fans and coaches, is against the officials. For a lot of people out there, referees can do no right. I don't sit here and say that referees are perfect and don't make mistakes (which some people conveniently say I do without anything to back themselves up). Everything I say here is because I do have a lot of experience as an official, and at decently high levels too.

All I have said here, is that Dean Chynoweth made a mistake when he decided to throw waterbottles at the referee. In response to that, I get told that I am saying that Jeff Glass didn't do what he did. If the only responses to what I say, are those that put words into my mouth, I will leave those who responded to think about that.


On a further note, WHL officiating has gotten out of hand. Brent Parker, the freaking Chairman of the WHL Officiating Board, was fined $1000 for complaining about horrid officiating. Hopefully they start training officials better, or else this is going to go alot further.

That's why Brent Parker should be canned from the position if he doesn't resign. If he's the chairman of the board (I don't know why any team-affiliated person would be allowed to be on a league officiating board, nevermind chair it, but that's another topic.), he should be brainstorming ideas to improve a system that he is part of, instead of slamming it like he did. If he thinks it is so bad, he should do something productive about it.

The WHL's officiating is fine. It's not perfect, but no sports league's officiating is. Be happy that this isn't the DFB at this time (German Football Federation with a match-fixing scandal). WHL officials work games in the WHL and whichever Jr.A league that plays in their home branch, and some even work minor pro leagues like the ECHL. For almost all WHL officials, the WHL is not their full-time job.

The WHL is currently in a position where they have to bring new referees into the fold. Some veterans from past seasons have either moved up or retired. The WHL is lucky to still have veterans like Rob Matsuoka, Derek Herman and Al Smith still around.

Like it or not, just like it is for players and most coaches, the WHL is a development ground for officials. Don't forget as well, that officials do not have practices. They learn everything in game situations. When we see a young guy like Pat Smith (21 years old, a 3rd year WHL referee who will wear stripes in the NHL one day), we should know the system is working.

54Fisticuffs
02-07-2005, 12:05 AM
It is your "opinion" that Dean made a mistake. It is my "opinion" that he did exactly what he should have.

Everything else, your claim that I am bias for being a bronco fan, my claim that you are bias because you were once an official is nothing more than an attempt to convince the other who is right and who is wrong.

You will never convince me that my opinion is any less valid than your own, why can you not leave it at that?

BCCHL inactive
02-07-2005, 02:32 AM
It is your "opinion" that Dean made a mistake. It is my "opinion" that he did exactly what he should have.

Everything else, your claim that I am bias for being a bronco fan, my claim that you are bias because you were once an official is nothing more than an attempt to convince the other who is right and who is wrong.

You will never convince me that my opinion is any less valid than your own, why can you not leave it at that?

It is not an opinion that throwing waterbottles at referees is the right thing to do. It is a widespread and very well known fact.

Even Jeremy Roenick apologized to Blaine Angus for chucking a bottle at him when he missed not one, but two high sticks that drew blood on Roenick.

Schlep Rock
02-07-2005, 08:47 AM
Coach threw a water bottle, sticking up for his players... nothing wrong with it.

Peter Laviolette when head coach of the Providence Bruins was attempting to climb over the glass to fight the other coach after one his players sucker punched a P-Bruin and the coach was seen smiling after it happened. Lavy was hailed a hero and a great coach because he wasn't going to tolerate it... he was fined by the league because he made it to the other bench (one leg) before his assistant (Bill Armstrong) dragged him back.

Van... the world isn't perfect. You remind me of my girlfriend's mother who when we go out to eat will complain because they don't bring the bread out after the salad (when it is supposidly the right time) but instead bring it before.

Human error is just that, human error but you don't seem willing to accept that but in this case Dean is simply sticking up and protecting his players.

I was at a high school game on Saturday night and there was a major high sticking call (right to the throat) that went uncalled... the opposing coach jumped onto the ice to get the ref's attention, he got it alright and was tossed... kid passed out on the way to the bench and the paramedics ended up on the ice. The kid was fine he just lost his wind pretty bad. There was a mini-conference and the other head coach agreed to let the tossed head coach return so they were simply assessed a bench minor and he returned.

Schlep Rock
02-07-2005, 08:49 AM
It's just my own personal opinion that if you don't know somebody in person who is in the public eye, you have no reason to refer to him/her by just their first name.

It's just common-place that athletes and coaches are referred to by their last name.

So you go to a bar and you see Joe Thornton there and you want to say hi do you actually go up to him and say "Mr. Thornton"? Doubt it... it's Joe.

54Fisticuffs
02-07-2005, 08:17 PM
It is not an opinion that throwing waterbottles at referees is the right thing to do. It is a widespread and very well known fact.

Even Jeremy Roenick apologized to Blaine Angus for chucking a bottle at him when he missed not one, but two high sticks that drew blood on Roenick.


So you are saying I dont even have an opinion? You realize how arrogant that sounds right?

BCCHL inactive
02-07-2005, 08:54 PM
Peter Laviolette when head coach of the Providence Bruins was attempting to climb over the glass to fight the other coach after one his players sucker punched a P-Bruin and the coach was seen smiling after it happened. Lavy was hailed a hero and a great coach because he wasn't going to tolerate it... he was fined by the league because he made it to the other bench (one leg) before his assistant (Bill Armstrong) dragged him back.

That is different. That is one coach going after another coach...ie: the source of the problem. Abusing referees is a completely different issue.


Human error is just that, human error but you don't seem willing to accept that but in this case Dean is simply sticking up and protecting his players.

I believe this was Chynoweth's intent, but what he did accomplished nothing close to it. If you want to get something out of a referee, throwing waterbottles will do nothing. It just makes the referee get as far away from the bench as possible, and assess said coach a Gross Misconduct, which in most leagues, means automatic fines and suspensions. I cannot understand how anybody could see doing something that gets you suspended as sticking up for your players. Because of Chynoweth's decision, he can now have no part in his team's next 2 games.


I was at a high school game on Saturday night and there was a major high sticking call (right to the throat) that went uncalled... the opposing coach jumped onto the ice to get the ref's attention, he got it alright and was tossed... kid passed out on the way to the bench and the paramedics ended up on the ice. The kid was fine he just lost his wind pretty bad. There was a mini-conference and the other head coach agreed to let the tossed head coach return so they were simply assessed a bench minor and he returned.

Up here in Canada, once a coach sets foot on the ice, he's gone. There is no going back. I am not too familiar with the USA Hockey rulebook, so I will leave it at that.


So you are saying I dont even have an opinion? You realize how arrogant that sounds right?

I don't see it as arrogant, I see it as being realistic. If there was ever a right time to throw waterbottles at referees, you wouldn't see fines and suspensions for it.

The right thing to do if you, as a coach, know the referee made a mistake or a wrong decision, you must do it diplomatically if you want to be taken seriously. Just last season in the BCHL Playoffs, a referee awarded Nanaimo a penalty shot in a delay of game situation that did not call for it. It was Game 7 with under 2 minutes left, and that brought Nanaimo's series winning goal. Instead of doing something stupid like throwing waterbottles at the referee, Powell River's coach protested the game, and won. The game from the time of the penalty shot was replayed a few days later.

I'm not saying Powell River would not have won the protest had their coach done something that stupid. After all, it was a black and white rule applied wrong. Though if their coach were to have done something more than give the referee his two cents, he wouldn't have been on the bench for the replay. This is just an example of a coach doing things the right way.

54Fisticuffs
02-07-2005, 10:54 PM
Whatever man, you can say whatever you want from here on out. If you can't respect the fact that other people may view things differently than yourself then that is your loss.

If you want to live in a bubble, go right ahead ... nobody is going to stop you.

BCCHL inactive
02-08-2005, 02:39 AM
Whatever man, you can say whatever you want from here on out. If you can't respect the fact that other people may view things differently than yourself then that is your loss.

If you want to live in a bubble, go right ahead ... nobody is going to stop you.

Why get personal?

There is a lot of physical abuse of officials happening in a lot of different hockey leagues this season. While I realize this was not one of those cases (at least not from Chynoweth, but they did need a police escort out of the arena), those who condone throwing waterbottles at referees are a big part of this problem. If you expected an experienced hockey referee to not go nuts at this notion, you were sadly mistaken.

Throwing waterbottles at referees is never the right thing to do. There is no possible argument against that. This is not my view, it is hockey's view.

Dean Chynoweth made a mistake in his actions. I'm sure he would be the first to admit it.

54Fisticuffs
02-08-2005, 07:59 AM
Van why get personal?

Van, you are sitting there telling me that my opinion is wrong, and that your opinion is right. You are telling me that I actually have no opinion at all.

If you expect me to sit there and let you walk up an down becuase you are "experienced" at being a referee after 4 years you are SADLY mistaken. Your "experience" should have taught you NOT to judge something that you did NOT SEE, but alas it hasn't.

You are willing to goto the END OF THE WORLD arguing something that you never even witnessed. Do you even understand how BIASED that makes you look?

There is a possible argument against what you are saying, you are just too close minded to even bother READING what I have been saying in this thread, you are a broken record posting the exact same thing simply based on when it is your turn to post next.

You might not be aware of this, but some times the RIGHT THING TO DO, involves "making a mistake".


You seem pretty proud of your "experience" as a hockey official. Here is a tip for you, it doesnt make your opinion any more valuable than mine. I also find it rather troubling that you prop yourself up without finding out who you are talking to.

If you think this post is personal ... step back and look at what you have been posting towards me, you are actually telling me that I have no opinion at all ... what reaction were you expecting? RESPECT? You have no idea how to earn that, perhaps the reason behind your being an ex-official.


You really need to stop in this thread. The police(Mike, hey look another first name) did not escort the official out of the rink because of what Dean did. The police escorted him out because one crazed fan was waiting for him at the officials dressing room so they could chat about the game he missed, I mean called.


I gave you several opportunities to end this "discussion" and you did not take them. You viewed it as an opportunity ... mistake, Im going to sit here all year if I have to ... to prove that I do have an opinion, even if you cant see it.

Schlep Rock
02-08-2005, 08:08 AM
I say each hockey bench is manned with a nerf football and if the coach desires to throw something at the ref, he throws it at him. If he hits him with it, the ref is obligated to spend 30 seconds at the bench talking to the ref. If he misses, 2 minute unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Sort of like when the NFL coaches throw the challenge flag, right = ok, wrong = lose timeout.

In case you can't tell I'm kidding around but it would be funny.

Schlep Rock
02-08-2005, 08:20 AM
I don't see it as arrogant, I see it as being realistic. If there was ever a right time to throw waterbottles at referees, you wouldn't see fines and suspensions for it.


This is such a ridiculous argument that you are making I can't believe I am dignifying it with a response.

Example...
The United States passes a federal law which you disagree with. You aren't entitled to your opinion on it because somebody else says that your opinion is wrong?

No sense in talking about the death penalty in Texas because Texas says it's alright so those who live in Texas are not allowed to have an opinion!

Van, get real... people are entitled to their opinions whether you feel they are right or wrong (or millions feel they're right or wrong). Their opinion may not change things but they are still entitled to an opinion. Debate is one of the many personal exercises that keep this world spinning "that girl is hot... no she's not... yes she is". Debate the FACTS of cases not "WHL says its wrong so there by fining and suspending him so there!" Facts: it could injure officials or be misdirected and injure a player, could display poor sportsmanship, could create chaos on the ice, etc., etc. and then you say the WHL backs this case up by having rules against it.

You think lawyers go into court and just say, Van vs. Alberta says so? No, they make their point and THEN follow up with the proof.

Let people have their opinions... I always used to think I was right also but I've since found out that I'm not. This is just another thing with you just like when you tried to ban the posting of the Heisenberg recruit web site last year claiming it's "not official" even though it's accurate and all NCAA teams refer to it.

BCCHL inactive
02-08-2005, 11:05 AM
Van, you are sitting there telling me that my opinion is wrong, and that your opinion is right. You are telling me that I actually have no opinion at all.

Read some rulebooks. Throwing waterbottles at referees is never the right thing to do. That is a fact. If you try to condone this at any officiating or coaching clinic, the people there will walk all over you.


If you expect me to sit there and let you walk up an down becuase you are "experienced" at being a referee after 4 years you are SADLY mistaken. Your "experience" should have taught you NOT to judge something that you did NOT SEE, but alas it hasn't.

I am not judging the play I did not see. I am judging the coach throwing waterbottles at the referee, which one really does not have to see to know it was plain wrong.

BTW, that's 8 years.

54Fisticuffs
02-08-2005, 12:36 PM
Like I said Van, if you refuse to acknowledge that other people have different opinions than yourself you are missing out on life.

I have read the rulebook and have a fairly indepth knowledge of it, nice of you to assume I hadn't though. Tossing that bottle, in my opinion, was still the right thing to do.

Since you enjoy telling me I am wrong, I guess it would be easy for me to do the same thing back. But this time I wont, instead I will say this.

In your opinion, the right thing to do is always the thing that doesnt break the rules. But sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette, in other words sometimes the right thing to do results in you taking a penalty.

Tell me my opinion is different than yours and you disagree with my opinion, I would be fine with that. Tell me I dont even have an opinion because you dont understand it, and you are over the line.

This is a discussion board afterall, you are not going to have the same opinion as everyone here. In fact, with as many posts as you do have on this board, its amazing you dont seem to understand that.

FearTheFlyers
02-08-2005, 03:54 PM
Like I said Van, if you refuse to acknowledge that other people have different opinions than yourself you are missing out on life.

You're obviously new to the boards.

Le Golie
02-08-2005, 04:56 PM
You're obviously new to the boards.

My thoughts exactly.

Le Golie
02-08-2005, 05:01 PM
Some people go through life reading policy, reading rules and expecting everything in the world to work perfectly according to the way it should on paper.

And some other people realize that emotion, circumstance and personalities add so many more dynamics to real life situations that policy and rules often go out the window.

Some people realize that breaking rules can sometimes lead to an overall gain that is far greater than the punishment received from breaking the rules. And some people are missing the part of the brain that puts reality into context.

That's exactly what this entire thread is about.

Schlep Rock
02-08-2005, 07:24 PM
Some people go through life reading policy, reading rules and expecting everything in the world to work perfectly according to the way it should on paper.

And some other people realize that emotion, circumstance and personalities add so many more dynamics to real life situations that policy and rules often go out the window.

Some people realize that breaking rules can sometimes lead to an overall gain that is far greater than the punishment received from breaking the rules. And some people are missing the part of the brain that puts reality into context.

That's exactly what this entire thread is about.

Wow... Bravo!
:handclap: :handclap: :handclap:

Schlep Rock
02-08-2005, 07:25 PM
Read some rulebooks. Throwing waterbottles at referees is never the right thing to do. That is a fact. If you try to condone this at any officiating or coaching clinic, the people there will walk all over you.




I am not judging the play I did not see. I am judging the coach throwing waterbottles at the referee, which one really does not have to see to know it was plain wrong.

BTW, that's 8 years.

Van has me on ignore now I think lol

Ah well... people have different opinions and that's what helps make the world go round. You don't tell the protestors in Texas they're wrong for opposing the death penalty... you give them your opinion and leave it for debate. If you take the stance "you're wrong because it's the law" that says all people need to know about you and your character.

Buannan
02-08-2005, 08:04 PM
although, I must say, with his attitude and arrogance, van is perfect for the job of official

I've always thought that

;)

Schlep Rock
02-08-2005, 08:25 PM
although, I must say, with his attitude and arrogance, van is perfect for the job of official

I've always thought that

;)

True...

**DISCLAIMER** I am NOT taking a shot at Van here **END OF DISCLAIMER**

Although I do wonder if he DID have to speak with Chynoweth if he'd call him Dean or Chynoweth as he thinks he should call people (he never did respond to my question about going up to Joe Thornton and calling him 'hey Thornton').

BCCHL inactive
02-08-2005, 08:31 PM
Like I said Van, if you refuse to acknowledge that other people have different opinions than yourself you are missing out on life.

I have read the rulebook and have a fairly indepth knowledge of it, nice of you to assume I hadn't though. Tossing that bottle, in my opinion, was still the right thing to do.

Since you enjoy telling me I am wrong, I guess it would be easy for me to do the same thing back. But this time I wont, instead I will say this.

In your opinion, the right thing to do is always the thing that doesnt break the rules. But sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette, in other words sometimes the right thing to do results in you taking a penalty.

Tell me my opinion is different than yours and you disagree with my opinion, I would be fine with that. Tell me I dont even have an opinion because you dont understand it, and you are over the line.

This is a discussion board afterall, you are not going to have the same opinion as everyone here. In fact, with as many posts as you do have on this board, its amazing you dont seem to understand that.

You don't need to lecture me on opinions. Nearly every call I make during games are based on opinion and judgment.

There is no room for opinion on the issue of throwing waterbottles at referees. It is wrong. Plain and simple. There is never a right time for it. The game of hockey does not allow for it to be right.

54Fisticuffs
02-08-2005, 08:40 PM
You don't need to lecture me on opinions. Nearly every call I make during games are based on opinion and judgment.

There is no room for opinion on the issue of throwing waterbottles at referees. It is wrong. Plain and simple. There is never a right time for it. The game of hockey does not allow for it to be right.


LMAO. rinse, repeat. To anything you have said in this thread, and anything you will say in this thread, I simply add "in your opinion".

BCCHL inactive
02-08-2005, 10:26 PM
LMAO. rinse, repeat. To anything you have said in this thread, and anything you will say in this thread, I simply add "in your opinion".

I guess I will finish by saying that I hope you never take an officiating or a coaching clinic. You obviously have no grasp on what is right and wrong in hockey ...at least on the topic of dealing with officials.

54Fisticuffs
02-09-2005, 12:11 AM
I guess I will finish by saying that I hope you never take an officiating or a coaching clinic. You obviously have no grasp on what is right and wrong in hockey ...at least on the topic of dealing with officials.

Then I guess I will finish by saying that I hope you never take up coaching or attempt to become a leader. You obviously have no grasp of what is right or wrong in hockey ... at least on the topic of being a leader and teammate.

BCCHL inactive
02-09-2005, 01:57 AM
Then I guess I will finish by saying that I hope you never take up coaching or attempt to become a leader. You obviously have no grasp of what is right or wrong in hockey ... at least on the topic of being a leader and teammate.

*Has a flashback*

- 10 years playing, and the last 4 years I played, I captained my team.
- Has Hockey Canada Intermediate Coaching certification.
- 4 years coaching experience.
- 4 winning teams.
- 6 tournament trophies.
- A boatload of great memories of the kids I coached over that period of time.

It is a shame I had to pass on coaching this season in order to get a full time job to pay the bills.

54Fisticuffs
02-09-2005, 02:36 AM
*Has a flashback*

- 10 years playing, and the last 4 years I played, I captained my team.
- Has Hockey Canada Intermediate Coaching certification.
- 4 years coaching experience.
- 4 winning teams.
- 6 tournament trophies.
- A boatload of great memories of the kids I coached over that period of time.

It is a shame I had to pass on coaching this season in order to get a full time job to pay the bills.


What is your point? You post your resume and expect people to suddenly say "ooh no, I guess I dont have an opinion"?

You realize how insane you sound right? Here you are spouting your resume arguing against the actions of people who are a 1,000 times more qualified than yourself. You value those experiences and use them to justify your claim? But in reality you are judging people with TONS more experience than yourself. So who do I believe ... well, I'll give you a hint, it wont be you.

Dean has been behind the bench with team Canada, I think Crawford probably has more than an "intermediate coaching certificate".

Ive played for 20+ years and while Ive never been the "captain" I can tell you that being a leader and being a captain are not mutually exclusive.

I also know alot of people involved with both officiating and coaching, these are people that have also asked me to get involved in the same. But alas, my job does not lend itself very well to volunteering during the hockey season.

I also can tell you that if you truly did make the level of intermediate coach within hockey canada that you arent practicing what is taught. One of the things you should have learned there is to treat people with respect, if you want them to value your leadership. Given the fact you have done nothing but tell me that I dont have an opinion at all ... id say you have a long way to go before you get to the advanced level.

I also have trophies and memories ... didnt realize that was a measuring stick for determining whether or not you can break a rule to stand up for your team.

YOUR opinion is DIFFERENT than mine, you will NEVER convince me that my opinion DOES NOT exist. You have to be insane to believe that you can.

Im beginning to think what everyone else is saying about you in this thread is true. I have given you the benefit of the doubt, and ample opportunities to concede the possibility that there are other opinions out there that are not the same as yours. But you continually ignore them, which is rapidly making this thread a complete and utter waste of time.

BCCHL inactive
02-09-2005, 03:05 AM
You still have not provided any good supporting argument in favour of throwing waterbottles at referees. That is because there is no such argument.

I know how debates and opinions work. Unfortunately in this case, there is no debate. Throwing waterbottles is wrong and there can be no argument against that. I don't know how anybody involved in the game can think there is.

Schlep Rock
02-09-2005, 07:05 AM
Can we just get this thread closed? Van is on ANOTHER one of his arguements and this is going nowhere. He's even ignoring most of the posters in this thread!

Van... other people have opinions... DEAL with it. It's sad you have the reputation around here that when you're around, nobody else is around to have an opinion. Oh and your only evidence to support throwing water bottles is wrong? It's against the rules! What a stupid arguement... then I say the death penalty in Texas is right because it's the law (even though I don't necessarily feel this way I'm simply using your theory on what the law/rules are). Laws and rules are made by OTHER people... do you always listen to other people? It's clear you don't so why are you always trying to make the world perfect on paper?

Seachd
02-09-2005, 07:37 AM
He threw a water bottle or two, got his suspension, and life will go on. Big deal.

I'm not sure it's any worse than letting a potentially dangerous (and by the sounds of it, obvious) play go uncalled. The ref can't be blamed for Glass taking the swing, but he has a responsibility to let the players know that won't be tolerated.

Chynoweth (or Dean, it doesn't really matter in the slightest) lost it. Unfortunately for him, there probably wasn't a pen and stationery with official company letterhead available on the bench for him to register a complaint. The water bottle was closer.

He shouldn't have done it. That's why he was disciplined. Other than that, I'm not sure why it's such a big deal.

54Fisticuffs
02-09-2005, 07:54 AM
Can we just get this thread closed? Van is on ANOTHER one of his arguements and this is going nowhere. He's even ignoring most of the posters in this thread!


I agree. Toss this thread, it has no useful value at all.


By the way how do you ignore a user on this board, talking to van is like :banghead:

Schlep Rock
02-09-2005, 08:33 AM
I agree. Toss this thread, it has no useful value at all.


By the way how do you ignore a user on this board, talking to van is like :banghead:

Click on their name, a drop down appears, click 'ignore user'

Schlep Rock
02-09-2005, 08:37 AM
He threw a water bottle or two, got his suspension, and life will go on. Big deal.

I'm not sure it's any worse than letting a potentially dangerous (and by the sounds of it, obvious) play go uncalled. The ref can't be blamed for Glass taking the swing, but he has a responsibility to let the players know that won't be tolerated.

Chynoweth (or Dean, it doesn't really matter in the slightest) lost it. Unfortunately for him, there probably wasn't a pen and stationery with official company letterhead available on the bench for him to register a complaint. The water bottle was closer.

He shouldn't have done it. That's why he was disciplined. Other than that, I'm not sure why it's such a big deal.

To quote Brad Pitt after his breakup to Gwyneth, "nothing in the world is perfect, poop happens. i didnt cheat on her but poop just happens ya know? wait, not only is nothing perfect, nobody is perfect but poop still happens." poop has been substituted for another word which I don't know if I'm allowed to say on the board. Brad's facial expressions during that interview were AWESOME and made me an instant fan.

Dawn
03-24-2005, 11:45 PM
Yes, the Swift Current coach did deserve what he got, but kudo's for him for stepping up for an injured player. I'm sure that there was a better way of getting the refs attention that didn't involve water bottles hitting the ice, and he should have exhausted those means before resorting to throwing things, though he was likely a little bit annoyed with the penalty that was assessed to Jeff Glass. A 2 minute penalty for what he did just doesn't cut it, I won't say he should have gotten a 5 game suspension like what Murray got when he caused injury to Trevor Glass in the December 17th game in Lethbridge, but it is my honest, and biased, opinion that he should have gotten a suspension of some form. If a player can do that and get away with only a 2 minute penalty, what will other players, particullarly young kids, who are just starting to play hockey, or any sport, for that matter? Jeff Glass is a role model, having played for the World Juniors, therefore he must act accordingly, and be treated accordingly, as must all players.
Please keep in mind, this is a biased opinion, and I'll never admit to it being anything else.