Dustin Brown getting a long look

Herby
09-19-2003, 07:11 PM
Dustin Brown was very impressive in the game last night vs. the Ducks, he scored a goal, registered 3 shots on goal and was throwing his body around. Brown has also been impressive in training camp, and there are rumors that the Kings are going to give him a chance to make the team.

Brown was a 2003 draft pick, but he is a late 84 birthday, meaning he is older than almost all the prospects taken in the 03 draft. Brown turns 19 in early November, so would be playing almost the entire NHL season as a 19 year old.

Also note, Brown is 6'0 tall and 200lbs, as opposed to many prospects he doesn't need to fill out. For example, Adam Deadmarsh is 6'0 195, so Brown has NHL size and strength. Brown has said he worked very hard lifting weights and gaining weight the last couple of years and it might pay off for him, landing him an NHL job sooner than most thought

canucksfan
09-19-2003, 08:54 PM
I think he should have gone higher in the draft. Good to see him doing well.

AJ1982
09-20-2003, 05:11 AM
I just wish I could have seen the game on TV. But good for Dustin, a lot of people thought he was overrated at the draft last year so it's time to begin proving them wrong.

Joey24
09-20-2003, 06:03 AM
I may be biost but I think brown should have been a top 7 pick I really like his game and I think he is that good. I think the Kings got a good pick landing him at the 13th spot.. :handclap:

William Shakespeare
09-20-2003, 10:40 AM
I would be careful... We are still in the stages of camp where many prospects look good. I just have to hark back to Kobasew and the camp he had two years ago, and he still has not stuck in the NHL.

I certainly do not want to be negative, but keep tabs on your excitement until later in camp. I like brown, but a feel he is not quite NHL ready yet.

William

JDB3939
09-20-2003, 10:44 AM
I still think the Flyers should have taken him instead of Jeff Carter.

I think Brown was a top 10 pick IMO, but went a little later.

His success doesn't surprise me at all.

MOOSE55
09-21-2003, 02:44 PM
I still think the Flyers should have taken him instead of Jeff Carter.

I think Brown was a top 10 pick IMO, but went a little later.

His success doesn't surprise me at all.
I think so too, but I'm a kings fan so I'm happy that they didn't
:)

fan mao rong
09-22-2003, 02:23 PM
Sure, everybody wants a 6'0 200 would-be power forward rather than a large size center with scoring ability. And 6'0 200 ? ---ain't that big. Supposedly he has speed and skill, maybe with a muscular development based speed , a few leg injuries might put him in the LeClair speed class. And if you all want to go by early camp blurbs seems one Brent Burns has been the most impressive forward of them all. Why didn't any of you big experts chime in that Burns should be selected much earlier? Say 10th?

Qubax
09-22-2003, 02:40 PM
Holy Bitterness Batman...

Does Brown have injury concerns...?

Bird Law
09-22-2003, 02:51 PM
Sure, everybody wants a 6'0 200 would-be power forward rather than a large size center with scoring ability. And 6'0 200 ? ---ain't that big. Supposedly he has speed and skill, maybe with a muscular development based speed , a few leg injuries might put him in the LeClair speed class. And if you all want to go by early camp blurbs seems one Brent Burns has been the most impressive forward of them all. Why didn't any of you big experts chime in that Burns should be selected much earlier? Say 10th?

Well, maybe your team should've taken Burns at 11. If he was that damn good, he must be so much better then Carter.

And by the way, Brown > Carter. :yo:

fan mao rong
09-23-2003, 06:29 AM
Seems the big experts on here, as I recall, around the time of the draft said they hadn't seen any of these guys anyhow. No K. Brown, Carter, Burns, or anyone else. Fact is, most would select a big center with speed and skill over a 6'0 200 would-be power forward. K. Brown is also a bit older than most in the most recent draft, so he may have a bit more skill development temporarily. All of his hype around these parts stem from some Canadian backwoodsman getting on here and letting on he had some top-secret super-duper info that nobody else could ever get that K. Brown was way better than those highly rated by the recognized experts. Strictly internet hype. Probability says he will not outperform those drafted ahead of him, especially not Carter. In fact, he was drafted too high given it was Los Angeles, seems have seen info that they made 3 questionable 1st round picks. And their performance through the years in drafting and performance backs this up. K. Brown--probably a good 3rd liner.

StianM
09-23-2003, 06:37 AM
Who is K. Brown?

Sticky*
09-23-2003, 06:43 AM
K Brown eh?

Evilo
09-23-2003, 07:29 AM
Funny.
About a month ago, when I said Brown should be considered among the top 25 or so prospects and was overly underrated, I was laughed at.
We'll see, but I'm willing ot bet he has a better career than some "consensus" overhyped top 25 prospects out there.

MOOSE55
09-23-2003, 07:47 AM
Seems the big experts on here, as I recall, around the time of the draft said they hadn't seen any of these guys anyhow. No K. Brown, Carter, Burns, or anyone else. Fact is, most would select a big center with speed and skill over a 6'0 200 would-be power forward. K. Brown is also a bit older than most in the most recent draft, so he may have a bit more skill development temporarily. All of his hype around these parts stem from some Canadian backwoodsman getting on here and letting on he had some top-secret super-duper info that nobody else could ever get that K. Brown was way better than those highly rated by the recognized experts. Strictly internet hype. Probability says he will not outperform those drafted ahead of him, especially not Carter. In fact, he was drafted too high given it was Los Angeles, seems have seen info that they made 3 questionable 1st round picks. And their performance through the years in drafting and performance backs this up. K. Brown--probably a good 3rd liner.

First of all it is Dustin Brown not "K", Brown was ranked #2 among North American skaters for a reason......that's right.....ahead of Vanek and Horton.......Brown>>>>>Carter

fan mao rong
09-23-2003, 07:50 AM
Oh yeah, K. Brown was a misstatement. It should be D. Brown. I confused Dustin Brown there for a minute with Kevin Brown. Let's see Los Angeles Kings, big-strong Right-handed shooting Right Wing, same probability of future success---seems like an honest mistake.

Kings Fanatic
09-23-2003, 08:05 AM
Seems the big experts on here, as I recall, around the time of the In fact, he was drafted too high given it was Los Angeles, seems have seen info that they made 3 questionable 1st round picks. And their performance through the years in drafting and performance backs this up. K. Brown--probably a good 3rd liner.

You need to look at the Kings draft record of the last few years. The years that this management has been in charge. Their record has been pretty good. Brown has always been highly touted and performed up to expectations. He has had a good camp and looked good in preseason. What are you basing your negative comments on? I seem to recall only one mag that didn't like him and I think it was also the only one that didn't like the Kings draft.

IGM
09-23-2003, 09:20 AM
Exactly right kf. I suppose he will tell us how Cammo/Frolov/Grebeshkov/Tambellini/Hogeboom/Rome/all suck and that none of them will pan out. RIIIGGGHHHTTTT.

MOOSE55
09-23-2003, 04:40 PM
Sure, everybody wants a 6'0 200 would-be power forward rather than a large size center with scoring ability. And 6'0 200 ? ---ain't that big. Supposedly he has speed and skill, maybe with a muscular development based speed , a few leg injuries might put him in the LeClair speed class. And if you all want to go by early camp blurbs seems one Brent Burns has been the most impressive forward of them all. Why didn't any of you big experts chime in that Burns should be selected much earlier? Say 10th?

Most people would rather have brown over carterhttp://hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=13588
see for yourself...

Dr.Strangelove91
09-23-2003, 05:10 PM
Dustin Brown has the size, the speed and the skills to be an elite NHLer. At worst he'll end up being a solid 3rd line checker and at best a first-line Owen Nolan type of guy. However, I don't think you can go wrong with this guy. I saw him a couple of times in the juniors and at the WJC and he plays a tremendous in your face game. A tough guy with skills. Some of you might laugh at me (not that I care), but he reminded me of the younger Jarome Iginla. I just hope everything will go as planned for him and that he'll have a chance to taste NHL success.

IGM
09-23-2003, 07:24 PM
He has impressed every time he has been given the chance so far at the Kings camp.

fan mao rong
09-24-2003, 08:29 AM
Well, what do you know? Seen on www.tsn.ca the Bob McKenzie article on players from the last draft who are impressive in camp and have a good chance of "sticking" for the regular season. You remember Bob McKenzie, most people on here raved about this writer round about the time of the last draft, so no disputing this. Well, when listing these players evidently he omitted Dustin Brown. Let's see; Marc-Andre Fleury, Eric Stall, Nathan Horton, Anthony Stewart, Zherdev, Milan Michalek, and the aforementioned Brent Burns. Yep, No Dustin Brown. I know CSB rated Brown #2 in NA skaters. But what is the central scouting bureau? Scouts, now I fully believe they are paid less than team scouts, so it would follow they are the also-rans of the competition to be team scouts. These in the under-tier of the scouting profession make up a list of players that is a general guideline for team scouts to investigate further. I say the actual draft which is compiled by the scouting and general managers of the NHL teams is more indicitive of a players worth than a mock draft devised by those deemed unworthy to be team scouts. I know Dustin Brown in much ballyhooed by some on this forum. That's why he's a fair-haired boy of the internet crowd.

Cyclops II*
09-24-2003, 10:40 AM
Well, what do you know? Seen on www.tsn.ca the Bob McKenzie article on players from the last draft who are impressive in camp and have a good chance of "sticking" for the regular season. You remember Bob McKenzie, most people on here raved about this writer round about the time of the last draft, so no disputing this. Well, when listing these players evidently he omitted Dustin Brown. Let's see; Marc-Andre Fleury, Eric Stall, Nathan Horton, Anthony Stewart, Zherdev, Milan Michalek, and the aforementioned Brent Burns. Yep, No Dustin Brown. I know CSB rated Brown #2 in NA skaters. But what is the central scouting bureau? Scouts, now I fully believe they are paid less than team scouts, so it would follow they are the also-rans of the competition to be team scouts. These in the under-tier of the scouting profession make up a list of players that is a general guideline for team scouts to investigate further. I say the actual draft which is compiled by the scouting and general managers of the NHL teams is more indicitive of a players worth than a mock draft devised by those deemed unworthy to be team scouts. I know Dustin Brown in much ballyhooed by some on this forum. That's why he's a fair-haired boy of the internet crowd.

Half of the Kings forwards are hurt. He may start the season with the Kings by default although IMO he probably deserves to make the team on merit.
Presumeably Stewart is on the list because Keenan will keep him on the team even if he doesn't deserve to be there.

MOOSE55
09-24-2003, 10:53 AM
Well, what do you know? Seen on www.tsn.ca the Bob McKenzie article on players from the last draft who are impressive in camp and have a good chance of "sticking" for the regular season. You remember Bob McKenzie, most people on here raved about this writer round about the time of the last draft, so no disputing this. Well, when listing these players evidently he omitted Dustin Brown. Let's see; Marc-Andre Fleury, Eric Stall, Nathan Horton, Anthony Stewart, Zherdev, Milan Michalek, and the aforementioned Brent Burns. Yep, No Dustin Brown. I know CSB rated Brown #2 in NA skaters. But what is the central scouting bureau? Scouts, now I fully believe they are paid less than team scouts, so it would follow they are the also-rans of the competition to be team scouts. These in the under-tier of the scouting profession make up a list of players that is a general guideline for team scouts to investigate further. I say the actual draft which is compiled by the scouting and general managers of the NHL teams is more indicitive of a players worth than a mock draft devised by those deemed unworthy to be team scouts. I know Dustin Brown in much ballyhooed by some on this forum. That's why he's a fair-haired boy of the internet crowd.

Well I don't see Carter's name on the list either. People who have actually watched Brown play in the preseason think he is doing good. I don't think TSN.ca makes it out to LA much. Remember this thread is about Dustin Brown having a good camp......no one said he was better than the guys you mentioned......you started talking about Carter being better in a thread which his name shouldn't have been mentioned in the first place(and most people disagree with you.....check the poll board if you want proof). Stay on topic...if you want to talk about Brown's training camp the fine.....People who read this thread probably don't care about your homer opinion on Carter... So unless you have some relevant info, then piss o*f!

Kings Fanatic
09-24-2003, 11:05 AM
Well, what do you know? Seen on www.tsn.ca the Bob McKenzie article on players from the last draft who are impressive in camp and have a good chance of "sticking" for the regular season. You remember Bob McKenzie, most people on here raved about this writer round about the time of the last draft, so no disputing this. Well, when listing these players evidently he omitted Dustin Brown. Let's see; Marc-Andre Fleury, Eric Stall, Nathan Horton, Anthony Stewart, Zherdev, Milan Michalek, and the aforementioned Brent Burns. Yep, No Dustin Brown. I know CSB rated Brown #2 in NA skaters. But what is the central scouting bureau? Scouts, now I fully believe they are paid less than team scouts, so it would follow they are the also-rans of the competition to be team scouts. These in the under-tier of the scouting profession make up a list of players that is a general guideline for team scouts to investigate further. I say the actual draft which is compiled by the scouting and general managers of the NHL teams is more indicitive of a players worth than a mock draft devised by those deemed unworthy to be team scouts. I know Dustin Brown in much ballyhooed by some on this forum. That's why he's a fair-haired boy of the internet crowd.

Since you bring up McKenzie, here is what his draft preview said of Brown, "TSN SCOUTING REPORT: Like Michalek, Brown has seen his stock slip just a little over the course of the season and, really, for no apparent reason. Brown is a prototypical pro style winger. He's a strong skater who plays the game hard, drives the net and does good work in traffic. His major attribute is an ability to score goals but he impresses with the level of commitment and hard work it takes to get those goals"

Ranking of Brown: 10


Again, where are you getting your negativity from? So what if Brown doesn't stick this year? Does that make him a bust? I don't think so. He has shown in camp and preseason that McKenzie was right about him.

fan mao rong
09-24-2003, 02:37 PM
Didn't say he's a bust. He's one of the fair-haired boys of certain elements on here who have an agenda. Most people on here don't agree , yeah that's the point. How the favorites system works is apparent. Here it is. Dustin Brown's main attribute is Clarke didn't draft him. That's it. 1. See who Clarke drafts 2. Pick out player drafted after this who is slightly more advanced at the time of draft and may temporarily precede Clarke's pick to the top level. 3. Ballyhoo this pick at every opportunity. 4. If and when favored pick exceeds Clarke's pick to top level, hammer this for all it's worth in forums such as this.......... The source of Brown's adulation---Clarke passed him over after people on here demanded he be selected.==That's it. By the way, did not first mention Carter. Somebody else on here 1st mentioned Carter. Believe it was much revered sage of most on here who claims to have over 10,000 posts. Merely pointed out that a big center with speed and skill would trump a 6'0 200 would-be power forward. Seems like it should be a no-brainer.

Kings Fanatic
09-24-2003, 02:51 PM
Well, the consenus seemed to be that Brown was one of the best pure goal scorers available. I believe it was Red Line that talked about his finishing ability. He is also known to be a hard worker and very intelligent. He brings a lot to the table. You'll notice I haven't said a word about Carter. If Brown is a fair head boy its because he has shown that he deserves to be.

Papa Bear
09-24-2003, 06:41 PM
i'm with fan mao rong

i think brown is HUGELY overated... with 3 picks in the first round there is no way the kings should have chosen brown ahead of parise... and i can pretty much guarantee that the kings wouldhave drafted hessimen had he still been available...
i'm not a scout, i'll admit that, but since everyone is chiming in with their opinions i'll give mine...

i think brown will always be a meat and potatoes type of player - i liken him to raffi torres, but i personally believe that the most productive player to come out of the kings draft will be tambellini... in a todd white type of role

and from experience rookies doinf well at camp doesn't mean squat...

josef balej 2 years ago at habs camp
ron hainsey last year
and i'm sure that a fan from every team could come up with similar stories...

wolfen
09-24-2003, 07:41 PM
a big center with speed and skill would trump a 6'0 200 would-be power forward. Seems like it should be a no-brainer.

I don't want to get too involved with this discussion, because I haven't seen brown (or carter) play. But I don't see why you feel brown's size is such an issue.

iginla 6'1", 207

o'neill 6'1" 195

guerin 6'2" 210

Herby
09-30-2003, 05:49 PM
Dustin Brown has 3 pts in the first period of tonights game vs. the Coyotes (2 goals + 1 assist).

I just don't see how he is not going to atleast get the 10 game tryout, unless it comes down to $$$, this kid has just been too impressive in both camp and the pre-season games. Plus with the injury situation, the Kings need all the skill players they can get.

IGM
10-01-2003, 06:41 AM
Brown not only had two goals and an assist, he was also THE KEY to two of the other goals scored. He was in front of the net causing havoc on the pho goalie and D man for one and he drew THREE pho players to him for the other (everyone thought he was going to get the puck, it was a brilliant play by Pirness).

BORWN LIVES UP TO THE HYPE! NO WAY HE DOESN'T START THE SEASON WITH THE BIG CLUB NOW!!!

(I know, I know)

Jebus
10-01-2003, 07:03 AM
7 shots, a plus 4, and a penalty to boot!

mysteryman
10-01-2003, 08:41 AM
Didn't say he's a bust. He's one of the fair-haired boys of certain elements on here who have an agenda. Most people on here don't agree , yeah that's the point. How the favorites system works is apparent. Here it is. Dustin Brown's main attribute is Clarke didn't draft him. That's it. 1. See who Clarke drafts 2. Pick out player drafted after this who is slightly more advanced at the time of draft and may temporarily precede Clarke's pick to the top level. 3. Ballyhoo this pick at every opportunity. 4. If and when favored pick exceeds Clarke's pick to top level, hammer this for all it's worth in forums such as this.......... The source of Brown's adulation---Clarke passed him over after people on here demanded he be selected.==That's it. By the way, did not first mention Carter. Somebody else on here 1st mentioned Carter. Believe it was much revered sage of most on here who claims to have over 10,000 posts. Merely pointed out that a big center with speed and skill would trump a 6'0 200 would-be power forward. Seems like it should be a no-brainer.

Yeah thats it....its an anti Clarke conspiracy. :rolleyes: