NFL: Marino,Young Elected To The Hall Of Fame

http://theredzone.org/news/showarticle.asp?ArticleID=2229

Marino's got no rings!

I'm a bit surprised Irvin did not get in. I thought he was a bit of a lock, but not as much of a lock as Young and Marino. I'm glad Young got in. He was one of my favorite players when I was growing up, I loved watching him make something out of nothing. A play I'll always remember is a game where he threw the ball it got deflected, it came back to him and he caught it, and then he ran it in for the TD.

I'm a bit surprised Irvin did not get in. I thought he was a bit of a lock, but not as much of a lock as Young and Marino. I'm glad Young got in. He was one of my favorite players when I was growing up, I loved watching him make something out of nothing. A play I'll always remember is a game where he threw the ball it got deflected, it came back to him and he caught it, and then he ran it in for the TD.

Ya, I was actually pretty surprised Irvin didn't get the votes. Next time I guess.

Why is it that suprising for Irvin? At best, he is a slightly less physical reciever than Owens.

If Art Monk is still struggling to get into the HoF, then it'll be quite a few years before Irvin does.

No Brady? Snubbed AGAIN!

:)

Marino's got no rings!

And?

If Gretzky had the same exact numbers he did in his career but simply no Cups, would you keep him out of the Hall of Fame?

Even taking his lack of a ring into account, Marino is still the 3rd or 4th best quarterback ever.

Why is it that suprising for Irvin? At best, he is a slightly less physical reciever than Owens.

If Art Monk is still struggling to get into the HoF, then it'll be quite a few years before Irvin does.

I heard this argument on the radio today. Irvin is the greatest WR in the history of arguably the greatest franchise in the NFL. If someone is the greatest 3B in the history of the Yankees, doesnt that player get into the HOF? And I'm sorry, but if Lynn freaking Swann is in the HOF, than Monk and certainly Irvin deserve to be there.

No Brady? Snubbed AGAIN!

:)

Don't worry, just like the Patriots want to be introduced in the Super Bowl as a team, they also want to enter the Hall of Fame as a team. No one player is bigger than the others. :)

And?

If Gretzky had the same exact numbers he did in his career but simply no Cups, would you keep him out of the Hall of Fame?

Even taking his lack of a ring into account, Marino is still the 3rd or 4th best quarterback ever.

:shakehead

:shakehead

Apparently you've got no argument for keeping Marino out since you won't actually write a reply.

Well, if I was serious, then yea, I would try and write an argument against it.Since im not...

Apparently you've got no argument for keeping Marino out since you won't actually write a reply.
I think DynamoAO was being sarcastic about the whole ring thing with regards to the bit about how some people feel Manning's(Marino) case is all about the stats insted of the playoff accomplishments a la Brady.


On the other hand I could be dead wrong :)

If someone is the greatest 3B in the history of the Yankees, doesnt that player get into the HOF?

Not if that individual player isn't judged as being good enough for the HoF.

I believe Irvin probably should be in the HoF, but he wasn't that amazing. Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Lance Alworth, Don Hutson, Art Monk, and Cris Carter all are considered to certainly be better than Irvin....and Moss, Harrison and Owens will join that list by the time they retire.

Well, if I was serious, then yea, I would try and write an argument against it.Since im not...

Sorry, it's kind of difficult to detect sarcasm on the internet.

The hall does fetishize rings. Think about if Norwood nails that kick Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed, James Lofton, et al. probably get in.

I'm sure Irvin being an ass cost him some votes.

Well, Irvin's past with coccaine and his r*pe charge don't exactly help either.

I don't believe someone's past off the field should matter that much, though. If Ray-Ray doesn't get in on his first try, then something is seriously wrong with this system.

And?

If Gretzky had the same exact numbers he did in his career but simply no Cups, would you keep him out of the Hall of Fame?

Even taking his lack of a ring into account, Marino is still the 3rd or 4th best quarterback ever.

Better example would be Dionne.

Anyone want to start the snubs discussion, since this was such a small class?

Jim Marshall
Ray Guy
the Broncos

Anyone want to start the snubs discussion, since this was such a small class?

Jim Marshall
Ray Guy
the Broncos

The biggest snub until he gets in is Art Monk. We're talking about one of the 10 best recievers in history that has been waiting over 5 years now to get in.

i dont think anyone can overtake ray guy as the biggest snub

Why is it that suprising for Irvin? At best, he is a slightly less physical reciever than Owens.
Slightly less physical but quite a bit better with way more skins on the wall.

Slightly less physical but quite a bit better with way more skins on the wall.

Quite a bit better how?

Oh, and I talked about the physical aspect because Irvin was the guy to basically introduce the more physical prototype reciever that guys like Owens now represent.

The biggest snub until he gets in is Art Monk. We're talking about one of the 10 best recievers in history that has been waiting over 5 years now to get in.
Thing about Monk and Lofton that is perplexing is that possesion recievers are stigmatised in the hall, while they love guys who run nothing, but flys and slants. I think it's tougher and more valueable for guys with good hands to go over the middle and move the chains.

This makes wish the NFL kept 1st downs and third down conversions as an individual stat.

The biggest snub until he gets in is Art Monk. We're talking about one of the 10 best recievers in history that has been waiting over 5 years now to get in.

I think Monk should be in, but he's not one of the 10 best receivers to ever play. I'd take Irvin over Monk without hesitation.

Don't worry, just like the Patriots want to be introduced in the Super Bowl as a team, they also want to enter the Hall of Fame as a team. No one player is bigger than the others. :)

The GM & Owner of this Patriots group should be inducted into the HOF asafp!

does anyone think that Irvin's off the field troubles kept him out of the HOF this year?

does anyone think that Irvin's off the field troubles kept him out of the HOF this year?
Didn't help. He could also be an ass to journalists who vote for this thing.

The hall does fetishize rings.
No it doesn't. There are a plenty of ring-less HOFers. Most HOF players just happen to win it all though, in every sport.

Steve Young is one of my favorite players of all time, in large part because of his personality, but Hall of Fame? Sorry Steve, I don't think you're that good.

did you seriously just type that

Steve Young is one of my favorite players of all time, in large part because of his personality, but Hall of Fame? Sorry Steve, I don't think you're that good.

When you win two NFL MVP awards, have the highest career completion % of any QB in NFL history, and a Super Bowl MVP, it's kind of hard to ignore that.

doesnt he also have some kind of qb rating record too

but yea, all of those accomplishments just scream mediocrity to me

When you win two NFL MVP awards, have the highest career completion % of any QB in NFL history, and a Super Bowl MVP, it's kind of hard to ignore that.
Hmmm.... taking a look at his numbers, I uncorrectly recalled how long he was a backup in SF. And I forgot he had 2 MVPs, I thought he had one. However Kurt Warner has two MVPs and a SB MVP, and he's not a HOFer. But Young is in, what's done is done, I'm not complaining, I just don't think "Hall of Fame" when I think "Steve Young."

doesnt he also have some kind of qb rating record too

but yea, all of those accomplishments just scream mediocrity to meHaving a single season record doesn't cut it. Multiple big records, yeah that will get you there. Roger Maris rightfully isn't a HOFer for example. You gotta have more that just a record.

However Kurt Warner has two MVPs and a SB MVP, and he's not a HOFer.

This is very true, but Warner is an extreme. He has only had 3 bonafide seasons as a starter in the NFL.

This is very true, but Warner is an extreme. He has only had 3 bonafide seasons as a starter in the NFL.
Of course, it's the exception to the rule. Considering that Canton inducts 4 memebers a year, Irvin will get in sometime soon.

Hmmm.... taking a look at his numbers, I uncorrectly recalled how long he was a backup in SF. And I forgot he had 2 MVPs, I thought he had one. However Kurt Warner has two MVPs and a SB MVP, and he's not a HOFer. But Young is in, what's done is done, I'm not complaining, I just don't think "Hall of Fame" when I think "Steve Young."

I also believe that Young led the NFL in passer rating 6 times.

I also believe that Young led the NFL in passer rating 6 times.
I'm glad to see Steve Young get in. I grew up watching the 49ers alot (don't ask me why, I don't know) and I remember he was a great player. Marino was a no-brainer.

I also believe that Young led the NFL in passer rating 6 times.

Highest career passer rating as well I do believe.

I kind of agree with Dr. Love. Yeah, Young was good but I don't think of him when I think HoF. Those 49ers teams were totally stacked too. Even more so than the ones that Montana Qb'd. That era of the 9ers and Dallas were the reason why the salary cap had to be put into place.

Hmmm.... taking a look at his numbers, I uncorrectly recalled how long he was a backup in SF. And I forgot he had 2 MVPs, I thought he had one. However Kurt Warner has two MVPs and a SB MVP, and he's not a HOFer. But Young is in, what's done is done, I'm not complaining, I just don't think "Hall of Fame" when I think "Steve Young."
if Kurt Warner sticks around 5 years as a starter and even plays average he is a lock.

Highest career passer rating as well I do believe.
Yes and No. He did when he retired, Warner passed him, but has since dipped slightly below. Warner could move ahead in a matter of games, so he can't rightfully stake that claim yet.

if Kurt Warner sticks around 5 years as a starter and even plays average he is a lock.
No. No he is not.

Heck, he will be lucky to even be on a roster in 5 years (heck, 3) let alone playing.

Warner was the right player in the right system, but he was a one-trick pony who couldn't adapt his game. Once defenses got a bead on him, he was unable to compensate and found himself a back-up.

if Kurt Warner sticks around 5 years as a starter and even plays average he is a lock.
:lol Not a chance in hell. He had his glory years, but he is not a HOFer. Perhaps if he was discovered a few years earlier...

Brenda Warner is a charter member of the annoying sports wives HOF.

Brenda Warner is a charter member of the annoying sports wives HOF.

I gotta say Doug Christie's wife has to be in that group too...

Of course you guys forget that perhaps the most hated wife (although she is not MEAN) in sports history was perhaps from hockey....

I think Kurt Warner is very very far from being a HOF. Steve Young also deserves to be in with all the things he won and his records.

Steve Young not only has 2 MVPs, one Superbowl MVP and three Superbowl rings, but he was also named to the pro bowl 7 times in a row.

His records other than the QB rating stuff include...
Most consecutive 300 yard passing games in a row.
Most TDs by a WR/QB duo with Jerry Rice.
Also, most career rushing TDs by a quarterback.
Second all-time on the rushing yards by a QB list.
Of course he holds the single game Superbowl record for passing TDs.
Holds the NFL record for consecutive seasons as the top rated QB.
Only QB in NFL history to go three straight seasons with a passer rating of over 100.

His most productive year was also 98 where he had 35+ TDs and 4000+ yards. THe year after he sustained the concussion that ended his career, cutting him down in his prime.

He is clearly a hall of fame quarterback.

if Kurt Warner sticks around 5 years as a starter and even plays average he is a lock.

That's just not going to happen. Kurt had his glory years and he was as big a reason as any that the Rams won the Super Bowl that year, but he's not going to the HOF without a miracle.

Quite a bit better how?Slightly less physical but quite a bit better with way more skins on the wall.

No way is Irvin better than Monk - unless you're standing them up against each other. Irvin was more physically gifted and being a key part to a dynasty doesn't hurt, but Monk has got it all - rings, longevity, numbers, good guy, all of it.

He's still in the top 10 in receptions and receiving yards.

Irvin, on the other hand, will be eclipsed in both of those categories by many players over the next 5 years, let alone the next 25.

I'm a Cowboy hater, but Irvin isn't a lock based on numbers in my book and the off-the-field issues disqualify him from consideration in my book.