Washington-Edmonton Trade proposal

As I am sure you know Edmonton is looking to unload Mike Comrie since he no longer wishes to play here.So I was wondering what it would take to move Dainius Zubrus and possibly (but highly unlikely)Steve Eminger, also moderate interest in Doig and Sutherby.
We have an overabundance of Left Wings that might interest you

Lw:Jani Rita(1st pick 1999(13thoverall)),Jason Chimera(can replace Langs goal scoring in the not to distant future.Pittsburg offered Lang straight up for Chimera a year ago to get an idea of trade value),Ethan Moreau(hard nosed checker, leadership skills, has chemistry with Grier),Raffit Torres(agitator),also York,Smyth, and Isbister (who all kinda of figure into our plans unless a really good trade is proposed)

I really don't watch the Caps very often so plz give me a counter-proposal or tell me I am an idiot and what you would want.

To Edm:
Dainius Zubrus(big centre with good upside but constant under achiever and very prone to injuries)
Steve Eminger(premiere d-man in the future)

To Wsh:
Mike Comrie(60pt. first year looks to be steadily improving has some defensive problems but very talented offensively)
Jason Smith(4th d-man plays a stay at home style hard checker. Can fill your 4th d-man troubles now where you have many defensive prospects coming in the future)

or
To Edm:
Zubrus
Eminger

To Wsh:
Comrie
Chimera
2nd rd pick

hhmmm I did a little research I think my first proposal might have been too generous did not realize one of Zubrus's injuries was a concussion which is bad news 1-2more and our investment could be blown.I also thought Eminger was drafted 2001 hence farther in development but apparently 12th overall in 2002. I think switching Smith for Staios or a 4th pick to us to keep Smith in.

P.S. of course I would like to have Oullett on the Oilers if you end up getting a good goalie out of the Detroit/Rangers/Avalanche rumours, but he is truly a franchise goaltender and probably one of the best steals i have ever seen in any trade.

hhmmm I did a little research I think my first proposal might have been too generous did not realize one of Zubrus's injuries was a concussion which is bad news 1-2more and our investment could be blown.I also thought Eminger was drafted 2001 hence farther in development but apparently 12th overall in 2002. I think switching Smith for Staios or a 4th pick to us to keep Smith in.

P.S. of course I would like to have Oullett on the Oilers if you end up getting a good goalie out of the Detroit/Rangers/Avalanche rumours, but he is truly a franchise goaltender and probably one of the best steals i have ever seen in any trade.

1. why would the Caps want Comrie? He is a center. The Caps already have Lang, Nylander, Halpern, Sutherby, and Gordon. In fact the Capitals don't need forwards at all. Defensemen they are very short of, but they don't need a forward.
2. While you did an interesting job here of degrading the Caps players you have mentioned, there is another side of that. Zubrus held out last year and did not score a goal in his first 20 games. He also missed several games after having a calcium deposit removed from his hand.
He scored 13 goals in his last 40 games and at $1.6m is not going to be traded.
3. Eminger is going to be a top defenseman and with the Caps so thin on defense there is no chance that they trade him for a marginal player like Staios.
But when it down to it the basic premise for the trade is that the Caps would want Comrie and there is no good reason why they would.

As I am sure you know Edmonton is looking to unload Mike Comrie since he no longer wishes to play here.So I was wondering what it would take to move Dainius Zubrus and possibly (but highly unlikely)Steve Eminger, also moderate interest in Doig and Sutherby.
We have an overabundance of Left Wings that might interest you

Lw:Jani Rita(1st pick 1999(13thoverall)),Jason Chimera(can replace Langs goal scoring in the not to distant future.Pittsburg offered Lang straight up for Chimera a year ago to get an idea of trade value),Ethan Moreau(hard nosed checker, leadership skills, has chemistry with Grier),Raffit Torres(agitator),also York,Smyth, and Isbister (who all kinda of figure into our plans unless a really good trade is proposed)

I really don't watch the Caps very often so plz give me a counter-proposal or tell me I am an idiot and what you would want.

To Edm:
Dainius Zubrus(big centre with good upside but constant under achiever and very prone to injuries)
Steve Eminger(premiere d-man in the future)

To Wsh:
Mike Comrie(60pt. first year looks to be steadily improving has some defensive problems but very talented offensively)
Jason Smith(4th d-man plays a stay at home style hard checker. Can fill your 4th d-man troubles now where you have many defensive prospects coming in the future)

or
To Edm:
Zubrus
Eminger

To Wsh:
Comrie
Chimera
2nd rd pick


Sutherby is partically untouchable...rumors were EDM wanted Sutherby for Ninniamaa (sp?) and McPhee wanted no parts of it...Sut's is loved in DC and alot people are expecting big things from him here

Eminger is basically in the same postion as Suts...plus we need to keep our dmen, not trade them away...im pretty sure if you called McPhee and asked if Eminger was available, you would hear a click and then a dial tone

Zubrus MIGHT have the season everyone is hoping for, he's underachieved on a talent level but he's becoming a real two-way force for WAS...I think he's expendable if the caps absolutely need to go out and get a top 3 dmen...people are starting panic now but we'll see whats going down after 15 games

We have already have a player like comrie in nylander...plus McPhee has shown he has no problem in not giving into contract demands for holdout players...in theory comrie might not even be in a caps sweater by then end of october if he were to holdout

Smith would be a gold mine for the caps if they could accquire him

Sutherby is partically untouchable...rumors were EDM wanted Sutherby for Ninniamaa (sp?) and McPhee wanted no parts of it...Sut's is loved in DC and alot people are expecting big things from him here

Eminger is basically in the same postion as Suts...plus we need to keep our dmen, not trade them away...im pretty sure if you called McPhee and asked if Eminger was available, you would hear a click and then a dial tone

Zubrus MIGHT have the season everyone is hoping for, he's underachieved on a talent level but he's becoming a real two-way force for WAS...I think he's expendable if the caps absolutely need to go out and get a top 3 dmen...people are starting panic now but we'll see whats going down after 15 games

We have already have a player like comrie in nylander...plus McPhee has shown he has no problem in not giving into contract demands for holdout players...in theory comrie might not even be in a caps sweater by then end of october if he were to holdout

Smith would be a gold mine for the caps if they could accquire him

1. Sutherby is publicaly projected by McPhee as a future team captain.
Doing that and trading him is almost as bad as trading the Captain which is a rare thing.
2. Eminger played vital roles in winning WJC and Memorial cup teams in addition to being about ready to contribute at the NHL level. If he is ready to play regular minutes, he is already as good as Staios.
3. Zubrus is already delivering at his salary level. When you add the widely held thinking throughout the NHL that Zubrus has all the tools to be an 80 pt plus 2 way power forward he is untradeable. He is a $1.6m player that could contribute this season at a $5m level. He plays first line, first pp unit, 2nd pk unit. Those are 3 untradeable players. Untradeable unless you have a package of players of equal value both in terms of skill and contact status. Doesn't Comrie already make $3m plus? Isn't he a RFA that is holding out and demanding a trade? Why would the Caps trade 3 players that make less then $4m for an unhappy and unsigned player? Zubrus held out last year and didn't find his game til halfway. Nikolishin held out and was traded to chicago last year and missed a good number of games with an injury. Halpern held out the year before and then blew out his knee. That Caps have all 3 of those guys happy and in camp all three playing very well so far. McPhee would never trade those guys for a holdout player.
Is that enough reasons that it won't happen?

1. Sutherby is publicaly projected by McPhee as a future team captain.
Doing that and trading him is almost as bad as trading the Captain which is a rare thing.
2. Eminger played vital roles in winning WJC and Memorial cup teams in addition to being about ready to contribute at the NHL level. If he is ready to play regular minutes, he is already as good as Staios.
3. Zubrus is already delivering at his salary level. When you add the widely held thinking throughout the NHL that Zubrus has all the tools to be an 80 pt plus 2 way power forward he is untradeable. He is a $1.6m player that could contribute this season at a $5m level. He plays first line, first pp unit, 2nd pk unit. Those are 3 untradeable players. Untradeable unless you have a package of players of equal value both in terms of skill and contact status. Doesn't Comrie already make $3m plus? Isn't he a RFA that is holding out and demanding a trade? Why would the Caps trade 3 players that make less then $4m for an unhappy and unsigned player? Zubrus held out last year and didn't find his game til halfway. Nikolishin held out and was traded to chicago last year and missed a good number of games with an injury. Halpern held out the year before and then blew out his knee. That Caps have all 3 of those guys happy and in camp all three playing very well so far. McPhee would never trade those guys for a holdout player.
Is that enough reasons that it won't happen?

I know some centers you mentioned can also play on wing and I asked for them of course because Edmonton wants some good centers and prospects with size and a power play quarter back on d with a good point shot in Eminger for the future would be nice.I only asked because I seen a huge upside in the players mentioned but I see you feel the same way as me on their potential and covet them too tightly to trade which I understand. There is no arguing though that Smith,Comrie>Eminger,Zubrus right now

Smith,Comrie<<Eminger,Zubrus in the future

but if I were building a franchise right now I would hold on to them too.
Being that both our franchises have an over-abundance of forwards I guess were incompatable for a trade.
P.S. Staios is highly under-rated and was named Edmonton's best defence man last year so I think you should give him a little more respect plus he does not come with a bulky contract.

To Edm:
Dainius Zubrus(big centre with good upside but constant under achiever and very prone to injuries)
Steve Eminger(premiere d-man in the future)

To Wsh:
Mike Comrie(60pt. first year looks to be steadily improving has some defensive problems but very talented offensively)
Jason Smith(4th d-man plays a stay at home style hard checker. Can fill your 4th d-man troubles now where you have many defensive prospects coming in the future)

or
To Edm:
Zubrus
Eminger

To Wsh:
Comrie
Chimera
2nd rd pick

While from a value standpoint, if everyone is signed and ready to play of course, Zubrus/Eminger for Comrie/Smith seems pretty good, the Caps just aren't in a position to add the salary it would take to sign Comrie and Smith makes $2.3 also, so the Caps would be adding quite a bit in salary in this deal. Also Comrie really isn't the type of player the Caps need, as they already have a lot of centermen and Nylander fills the small, offensive center role just fine for us. The Caps are not looking to trade their young guys and Zubrus and Eminger fall into that category.

I'd love to add Smith, and maybe a Zubrus for Smith deal could be worked out, though I still think the Caps would ask for a lot for Zubrus. I don't see why the Caps would want Comrie unless you were taking back Lang, because we can't afford Comrie's likely salary.

The Zubrus/Eminger for Comrie/Chimera/2nd is a no go. If we are going to trade any of our front line forwards then we have to get a defenseman back. I don't see Chimera ever being more than a 3rd line center, and we are stacked there with Halpern and Sutherby.

Counter proposal, Lang/Doig for Smith/Comrie?

supposed to read(forum acting up)
Smyth,Comrie << Zubrus, Eminger in the future

I thought you guys almost had Jagr traded to free up some salary

While from a value standpoint, if everyone is signed and ready to play of course, Zubrus/Eminger for Comrie/Smith seems pretty good, the Caps just aren't in a position to add the salary it would take to sign Comrie and Smith makes $2.3 also, so the Caps would be adding quite a bit in salary in this deal. Also Comrie really isn't the type of player the Caps need, as they already have a lot of centermen and Nylander fills the small, offensive center role just fine for us. The Caps are not looking to trade their young guys and Zubrus and Eminger fall into that category.

I'd love to add Smith, and maybe a Zubrus for Smith deal could be worked out, though I still think the Caps would ask for a lot for Zubrus. I don't see why the Caps would want Comrie unless you were taking back Lang, because we can't afford Comrie's likely salary.

The Zubrus/Eminger for Comrie/Chimera/2nd is a no go. If we are going to trade any of our front line forwards then we have to get a defenseman back. I don't see Chimera ever being more than a 3rd line center, and we are stacked there with Halpern and Sutherby.

Counter proposal, Lang/Doig for Smith/Comrie?
Doig looks to be a gem, no offense but Lang is pricy for Edmonton and will probably start to see a decline in points put up in the future although his work on the power play would be valuable here.I just can't justify this trade being of equal value.

supposed to read(forum acting up)
Smyth,Comrie << Zubrus, Eminger in the future

I thought you guys almost had Jagr traded to free up some salary

Almost? Well if you see Jagr traded then we can talk about the Caps adding salary, but until it happens we aren't in a position to do that so deals have to work out so that we are adding little or no salary or ideally subtracting some salary.

Lang makes $5 mil, Doig $425 k, Smith $2.3, and Comrie wants what, around $3-3.5 mil? Draft picks and/or mid level prospects could be added to even things out some.

Almost? Well if you see Jagr traded then we can talk about the Caps adding salary, but until it happens we aren't in a position to do that so deals have to work out so that we are adding little or no salary or ideally subtracting some salary.

Lang makes $5 mil, Doig $425 k, Smith $2.3, and Comrie wants what, around $3-3.5 mil? Draft picks and/or mid level prospects could be added to even things out some.
Comrie does not make that much he is a rookie you can force him to sign for probably about $2 mill and 3yrs(we offered $1.2mill).He bent us over the barrel the first three yrs. because we needed to snatch him up from college but since he can't go to abirtration yet as he is still too young I really can't see him for signing that much anymore.Lang is really not worth it to us as we need to get rookies in the line up and is overpayed for his point production.

Comrie does not make that much he is a rookie you can force him to sign for probably about $2 mill and 3yrs(we offered $1.2mill).He bent us over the barrel the first three yrs. because we needed to snatch him up from college but since he can't go to abirtration yet as he is still too young I really can't see him for signing that much anymore.Lang is really not worth it to us as we need to get rookies in the line up and is overpayed for his point production.

I'm not going to argue that Lang isn't overpaid, he is, but while Comrie's base salary was around $1 mil last season, with all the bonuses he met he actually made $3.5 mil last season. There is no way he is going to sign a contract that is going to pay him much less than what he made last season. If you think you are going to get him to sign a 3 year deal at $2 mil per season, you are dreaming, unless there are bonuses included that are fairly easy to meet that would get him the extra $1-1.5 mil. Plus every player who misses training camp and preseason takes a long time to get up to speed, so his first half season with whatever team trades for him is likely going to be a wash anyway.

If you want us to take one of your contract problems then you have to be willing to take one of ours in return, it's as simple as that. If you can afford to pay Smith $2.3 and Comrie $3.5, then you can afford to pay Lang $5, and you also get Doig who makes almost nothing.

I'm not going to argue that Lang isn't overpaid, he is, but while Comrie's base salary was around $1 mil last season, with all the bonuses he met he actually made $3.5 mil last season. There is no way he is going to sign a contract that is going to pay him much less than what he made last season. If you think you are going to get him to sign a 3 year deal at $2 mil per season, you are dreaming, unless there are bonuses included that are fairly easy to meet that would get him the extra $1-1.5 mil. Plus every player who misses training camp and preseason takes a long time to get up to speed, so his first half season with whatever team trades for him is likely going to be a wash anyway.

If you want us to take one of your contract problems then you have to be willing to take one of ours in return, it's as simple as that. If you can afford to pay Smith $2.3 and Comrie $3.5, then you can afford to pay Lang $5, and you also get Doig who makes almost nothing.
Edmonton would most benefit from Zubrus or Eminger if we can't get atleast one of them I really don't see us giving up Comrie(our #1 center) or Smith(team Captain) plz include atleast one of them in a counter proposal or there is absolutely no way we can make a deal. If you can't part with either then let this proposal fall off the page.

Edmonton would most benefit from Zubrus or Eminger if we can't get atleast one of them I really don't see us giving up Comrie(our #1 center) or Smith(team Captain) plz include atleast one of them in a counter proposal or there is absolutely no way we can make a deal. If you can't part with either then let this proposal fall off the page.

There you answered your own question. The Caps have a player like Comrie in Nylander who makes less and scored slightly more and who is familiar with the team and is in Camp. I can see from the trade proposals that many would love Zubrus on their team, but want him at a bargain price. The Caps are happier to have Zubrus at $1.6m than the oilers are to have both Smith and Comrie at $5.5 combined. Smith makes sense for the Caps but is too pricey. The Caps could resign Klee for that price or less. This is a dead end deal idea.

There you answered your own question. The Caps have a player like Comrie in Nylander who makes less and scored slightly more and who is familiar with the team and is in Camp. I can see from the trade proposals that many would love Zubrus on their team, but want him at a bargain price. The Caps are happier to have Zubrus at $1.6m than the oilers are to have both Smith and Comrie at $5.5 combined. Smith makes sense for the Caps but is too pricey. The Caps could resign Klee for that price or less. This is a dead end deal idea.
Agreed. meeting adjourned.