Redo the 2003 NBA Draft

Psycho Papa Joe
03-08-2005, 10:31 AM
Here are the picks in the 2003 NBA Draft. Redo the top 10 based on current talent and longterm potential.

FIRST ROUND

1. Cleveland -- LeBron James, g-f, St. Vincent-St. Mary HS (Ohio)

2. Detroit (from Memphis) -- Darko Milicic, f, Hemofarm Vrsac (Serbia)

3. Denver -- Carmelo Anthony, f, Syracuse

4. Toronto -- Chris Bosh, f, Georgia Tech

5. Miami -- Dwyane Wade, g, Marquette

6. LA Clippers -- Chris Kaman, c, Central Michigan

7. Chicago -- Kirk Hinrich, g, Kansas

8. Milwaukee (from Atlanta) -- T.J. Ford, g, Texas

9. New York -- Mike Sweetney, f, Georgetown

10. Washington -- Jarvis Hayes, f, Georgia

11. Golden State -- Mickael Pietrus, g-f, Pau Orthez (France)

12. Seattle -- Nick Collison, f, Kansas

13. Memphis (from Houston) -- Marcus Banks, g, UNLV

14. Seattle (from Milwaukee) -- Luke Ridnour, g, Oregon

15. Orlando -- Reece Gaines, g, Louisville

16. Boston -- Troy Bell, g, Boston College

17. Phoenix -- Zarko Cabarkapa, f, Buducnost (Serbia)

18. New Orleans -- David West, f, Xavier

19. Utah -- Aleksandar Pavlovic, Buducnost (Serbia)

20. Boston (from Philadelphia) -- Dahntay Jones, f, Duke

21. Atlanta (from Indiana) -- Boris Diow, f, Pau Orthez (France)

22. New Jersey -- Zoran Planinic, g, Cibona Zagreb (Croatia)

23. Portland -- Travis Outlaw, f, Starkville HS (MS)

24. LA Lakers -- Brian Cook, f, Illinois

25. Detroit -- Carlos Delfino, f, Skipper Bologna (Italy)

26. Minnesota -- Ndudi Ebi, f, Westbury Christian HS (TX)

27. Memphis (through Orlando via Sacramento) -- Kendrick Perkins, c, Ozen HS (TX)

28. San Antonio -- Leandro Barbosa, g, Bauru Tilibra (Brazil)

29. Dallas -- Josh Howard, f, Wake Forest






SECOND ROUND

30. New York -- Maciej Lampe, f, Universidad Comp. (Spain)

31. Cleveland -- Jason Kapono, f, UCLA

32. LA Lakers (from Toronto) -- Luke Walton, f, Arizona

33. Miami -- Jerome Beasley, f, North Dakota

34. LA Clippers -- Sofoklis Schortsanitis, f, Iraklis (Greece)

35. Milwaukee (from Memphis) -- Szymon Szewczyk, f, Braunschweig (Germany)

36. Chicago -- Mario Austin, f, Mississippi State

37. Atlanta -- Travis Hansen, g, Brigham Young

38. Washington -- Steve Blake, g, Maryland

39. New York -- Slavko Vranes, c, Buducnost (Serbia)

40. Golden State -- Derek Zimmerman, g, Mississippi State

41. Seattle -- Willie Green, g, Detroit

42. Orlando -- Zaur Pachulia, f, Ulker (Turkey)

43. Milwaukee -- Keith Bogans, g, Kentucky

44. Houston -- Malick Badiane, f, Langen (Germany)

45. Chicago (from Phoenix) -- Matt Bonner, f, Florida

46. Denver (from Boston) -- Sani Becirovic, g, Slovenia

47. Utah -- Maurice Williams, g, Alabama

48. New Orleans -- James Lang, c, Central Park Christian HS (AL)

49. Indiana -- James Jones, f, Miami

50. Philadelphia -- Paccelis Morlende, g, Dijon (France)

51. New Jersey -- Kyle Korver, f, Creighton

52. Toronto (from LA Lakers) -- Remon Van de Hare, c, Spain

53. Miami (from Detroit) -- Tommy Smith, F, Arizona State

54. Portland -- Nedzad Simanovic, c, Bosnia

55. Minnesota -- Rick Rickert, f, Minnesota

56. Boston (from Sacramento) -- Brandon Hunter, f, Ohio

57. Dallas -- Xue Yuyang, c, China

58. Detroit (from San Antonio) -- Andreas Glynaidakis, c, Greece

sveiglar
03-08-2005, 10:42 AM
1. Darko
2-58. nobody else matters

Psycho Papa Joe
03-08-2005, 11:18 AM
1. Lebron James
2. Chris Bosh – Controversial choice since his numbers aren’t as good as Wade or Anthony, but IMO big men who can score are always held in higher regard over Guards and SF. IMO he will improve at a greater great than Wade or Anthony over the next 3 years. I see him and I see a young Kevin Garnett.
3. Dwanye Wade
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Kirk Hinrich
6. Josh Howard
7. Kyle Korver
8. Luke Ridnour
9. Chris Kaman
10. Darko Milicic
Just missed top 10 - Mike Sweetney

Let the flaming begin:)

417
03-08-2005, 11:31 AM
1. Lebron James
2. Chris Bosh – Controversial choice since his numbers aren’t as good as Wade or Anthony, but IMO big men who can score are always held in higher regard over Guards and SF. IMO he will improve at a greater great than Wade or Anthony over the next 3 years. I see him and I see a young Kevin Garnett.
3. Dwanye Wade
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Kirk Hinrich
6. Josh Howard
7. Kyle Korver
8. Luke Ridnour
9. Chris Kaman
10. Darko Milicic
Just missed top 10 - Mike Sweetney

Let the flaming begin:)



I actually agree with you, it'll take Bosh a bit more time, but 5 years from now, everyone will agree with you as well, players like Bosh don't come along often, while players of Wade's ilk can be found in every draft, not to take away anything from Wade who's a tremendous talent, but scoring combo guards are everywhere in the league...

Once Bosh puts it all together, he'll be a force in the NBA...

Chaos
03-08-2005, 12:15 PM
1. LeBron James
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Chris Bosh
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Josh Howard
6. Kirk Hinrich
7. Chris Kaman
8. Kyle Korver
9. Luke Ridnour
10. Darko Milicic(but only because of his upside)

Ajacied
03-08-2005, 12:50 PM
I actually agree with you, it'll take Bosh a bit more time, but 5 years from now, everyone will agree with you as well, players like Bosh don't come along often, while players of Wade's ilk can be found in every draft, not to take away anything from Wade who's a tremendous talent, but scoring combo guards are everywhere in the league...

Once Bosh puts it all together, he'll be a force in the NBA...

Wade is a superior player in comparison to Bosh. To say there are players like him to be found in each and every draft year is plain stupid and utterly rediculous. How many 20 year old point guards do you know who've carried a team to the top of the conference in their 2nd year? Granted Shaq has had a hand in it, but since he is out, Wade has actually put up even better numbers. He's scoring over 24 points per game, he's an outstanding rebounder for his size and position, underrated playmaker, but most of all, he's already an excellent defender. He's actually averaging well over a block per game, for a pointguard! That's unheard of. Bosh is an athletic big man with quite the upside, but Wade is a lot more special. He's in a whole different ballpark. He's closer to LeBron than Bosh is to Wade.

417
03-08-2005, 01:12 PM
Wade is a superior player in comparison to Bosh. To say there are players like him to be found in each and every draft year is plain stupid and utterly rediculous. How many 20 year old point guards do you know who've carried a team to the top of the conference in their 2nd year? Granted Shaq has had a hand in it, but since he is out, Wade has actually put up even better numbers. He's scoring over 24 points per game, he's an outstanding rebounder for his size and position, underrated playmaker, but most of all, he's already an excellent defender. He's actually averaging well over a block per game, for a pointguard! That's unheard of. Bosh is an athletic big man with quite the upside, but Wade is a lot more special. He's in a whole different ballpark. He's closer to LeBron than Bosh is to Wade.

Relax buddy jeez....stupid and utterly ridiculous? kinda harsh don't you think?

I wasn't taking anything away from Wade, I think he's a tremendous player...

Where you make your mistake is, Wade is not a true PG, he's a combo guard, and your starting to see more and more of those types of players...players who play the point but score like a SG, Jameer Nelson from last years draft for example...

I'm not saying Wade hasn't been good, but having Shaq on your team helps a great deal too, if it wasn't for Shaq, Miami wouldn't be where they are right now, no matter how good Wade is...

yes, he's got great numbers, especially the rebounding and blocks #'s and he has his fair share of assist as well, what I meant by you can find alot of players like wade in every draft, is Wade is just like....

Stephon Marbury
Steve Francis
Allen Iverson
Gilbert Arenas
Jason Terry
Jamal Crawford
etc...

Of course i'd rather have Wade than probably any of the above mentionned names, except for maybe Iverson and Arenas, but what I meant was that every draft there's players like Wade, doesn't mean they'll be as good, but they bring alot of what he brings to the table as well, where as in the NBA, there's a new type of player that's in demand right now and that's long athletic big men who can handle the ball on the perimiter, can post up or can shoot the mid range jumper...

But I don't disagree with you, Wade is sick! the only drawback he has is he struggles with turnovers, but that's expected...not to mention that he's not the best shooter but he's decent enough...

It's just my opinion that there are less Garnett (and IMO that's Bosh's potential) type of players in the league than there is Wade's that's all, it doesn't mean i'm stupid... :shakehead

Ajacied
03-08-2005, 01:31 PM
It's just my opinion that there are less Garnett (and IMO that's Bosh's potential) type of players in the league than there is Wade's that's all, it doesn't mean i'm stupid... :shakehead

First of all, my apologies. You're not stupid. You're retarded..

Nah I'm just kidding with you.. ;)

You make valid points all around, though the names you came up with aren't the best comparisons to make your point, me thinks. Neither of those are the defenders Wade is, not at Wade's current age at least.

When judging a player or it's value, these are the main factors I weigh the most;

- Age
- All-round stats
- Maturity
- Team record
- Team player yes/no (troublemaker yes/no)
- Crunchtime

Wade is tops in all of these. He's already among the top players in the league, there's even been some talk about him being a darkhorse MVP candidate. Chris Bosh is awesome, no doubt, but at the moment he just has got nothing on Wade, simply nothing. You can talk potential or the next Garnett all you like, but he has to at least come close to Wade's numbers to even be mentioned in the same breath. Until then, he's a decent young up and comer but nothing more.

Reign Nateo
03-08-2005, 01:50 PM
1. CLE LeBron James
2. DET Carmelo Anthony
3. DEN Dwayne Wade
4. TOR Chris Bosh
5. MIA Kirk Hinrich
6. LAC Josh Howard
7. CHI Kyle Korver
8. MIL Luke Ridnour
9. NY Chris Kaman
10. WAS Mike Sweetney

Tuggy
03-08-2005, 01:55 PM
1. LeBron James
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Chris Bosh
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Josh Howard
6. Kirk Hinrich
7. Chris Kaman
8. Kyle Korver
9. Luke Ridnour
10. Darko Milicic(but only because of his upside)

Great list, exactly the way I would have it.

Dark Knight
03-08-2005, 02:24 PM
First of all, my apologies. You're not stupid. You're retarded..

Nah I'm just kidding with you.. ;)

You make valid points all around, though the names you came up with aren't the best comparisons to make your point, me thinks. Neither of those are the defenders Wade is, not at Wade's current age at least.

When judging a player or it's value, these are the main factors I weigh the most;

- Age
- All-round stats
- Maturity
- Team record
- Team player yes/no (troublemaker yes/no)
- Crunchtime

Wade is tops in all of these. He's already among the top players in the league, there's even been some talk about him being a darkhorse MVP candidate. Chris Bosh is awesome, no doubt, but at the moment he just has got nothing on Wade, simply nothing. You can talk potential or the next Garnett all you like, but he has to at least come close to Wade's numbers to even be mentioned in the same breath. Until then, he's a decent young up and comer but nothing more.

Bosh has taken advantage of Carter's departure. He has taken another step to his game. Im amazed at the respect he deserves from fellow players...i see two or sometimes three people guarding him at the same time. He performed amazing at the Sophomores/Rookie game- deserved the MVP but what the hayy...
Wade has been playing on a better team. Last year his team was mediocre and this year with Shaq, his confidence is up. All in all, i like Wade alot.

Back to ur list

- Age
- All-round stats
- Maturity
- Team record
- Team player yes/no (troublemaker yes/no)
- Crunchtime

out of all these i would only consider two. ( Maturity, and Team Player ) and i would give Bosh and Wade similar ratings. Both are amazing Team Players and very Mature. Everyone gotta agree on that.

My Thought...

ITs just soo hard to compare a PF and a PG/SG because both these positions are completely different. For me, its unfair to both those players to call one better. Both are amazing talents.

417
03-08-2005, 02:31 PM
First of all, my apologies. You're not stupid. You're retarded..

Nah I'm just kidding with you.. ;)

You make valid points all around, though the names you came up with aren't the best comparisons to make your point, me thinks. Neither of those are the defenders Wade is, not at Wade's current age at least.

When judging a player or it's value, these are the main factors I weigh the most;

- Age
- All-round stats
- Maturity
- Team record
- Team player yes/no (troublemaker yes/no)
- Crunchtime

Wade is tops in all of these. He's already among the top players in the league, there's even been some talk about him being a darkhorse MVP candidate. Chris Bosh is awesome, no doubt, but at the moment he just has got nothing on Wade, simply nothing. You can talk potential or the next Garnett all you like, but he has to at least come close to Wade's numbers to even be mentioned in the same breath. Until then, he's a decent young up and comer but nothing more.

Again, can't say I disagree with you there, Wade is sick, and your right, if Wade can already be considered among the very best in his second year, then yes, i'd draft him ahead of Bosh, your right, I take back what I said...

TML
03-08-2005, 02:41 PM
James
Bosh
Wade
Anthony
Hinrich
Ridnour
Howard
Kaman
Sweetney
Hayes

Psycho Papa Joe
03-08-2005, 02:52 PM
James
Bosh
Wade
Anthony
Hinrich
Ridnour
Howard
Kaman
Sweetney
Hayes
Hayes over Kover?

Psycho Papa Joe
03-08-2005, 02:56 PM
Wade is tops in all of these. He's already among the top players in the league, there's even been some talk about him being a darkhorse MVP candidate. Chris Bosh is awesome, no doubt, but at the moment he just has got nothing on Wade, simply nothing. You can talk potential or the next Garnett all you like, but he has to at least come close to Wade's numbers to even be mentioned in the same breath. Until then, he's a decent young up and comer but nothing more.But assessing where you pick a guy in the draft if it was to be redone, which this thread is about, is based more on the potential upside than how good the guy is playing at the moment. No doubt Wade is playing better ball right now, but IMO many GM's would take Bosh ahead of him if given a choice. Many teams already have a Wadesque type of player. Not as good but a reasonable fascimilie. A guy like Bosh is at more of a premium, hence why his status in a draft redo would be increased over players who have probably outperformed him overall to date. Also keep in mind Bosh is 2 years younger than Wade. 2 years makes a hell of a difference at their ages. 2 years ago, there is no way Wade would be putting up numbers as good as Bosh's in the NBA.

For instance after their first couple of seasons, Stoudamire looked alot better than Garnett, but most, if not all, GM's would still have taken Garnett if given a choice.

Teemu
03-08-2005, 03:31 PM
We had this post a month or so ago... it just turned out to be a Kirk Hinrich/Chris Bosh feud :D

Psycho Papa Joe
03-08-2005, 03:33 PM
We had this post a month or so ago... it just turned out to be a Kirk Hinrich/Chris Bosh feud :D
Really? Comparing Bosh to Hinrich is like comparing Wade to Howard. It's not even close right now, or in the future.

Dark Knight
03-08-2005, 04:26 PM
Chris Bosh>>>>Kirk Hinrick

Again, an unfair match between a PG and PF. But looking at who has more value. It is definitely BOSH!

Chaos
03-08-2005, 04:50 PM
Chris Bosh>>>>Kirk Hinrick

Again, an unfair match between a PG and PF. But looking at who has more value. It is definitely BOSH!

Oh yeah.....gotta love how he can only manage 13 points playing against Shawn ****ing Bradley ;)

Hawkalyzer
03-08-2005, 05:31 PM
Gotta love the Canadian Bias on this board.

Psycho Papa Joe
03-08-2005, 05:52 PM
Gotta love the Canadian Bias on this board.
When you have nothing to offer a discussion, don't bother posting.:shakehead

Porn*
03-08-2005, 06:19 PM
Oh yeah.....gotta love how he can only manage 13 points playing against Shawn ****ing Bradley ;)
gotta love the 33pts the night before...

Chaos
03-08-2005, 06:54 PM
gotta love the 33pts the night before...

Yep....gotta love the inconsistancy from night to night :D

Gibsons Finest
03-08-2005, 08:03 PM
1. CLE LeBron James
2. DET Carmelo Anthony
3. DEN Dwayne Wade
4. TOR Chris Bosh
5. MIA Darko Milicic
6. LAC Kirk Hinrich
7. CHI Josh Howard
8. MIL T.J. Ford
9. NY Kyle Korver
10. WAS Chris Kaman



Cleveland obviously takes James. If Detroit does this knowing they get 'Sheed and 'Dice within a year, they take 'Melo. If not, they'd take Bosh, leaving Denver with 'Melo, and Trawna with D-Wade. Denver and T-O's picks are obvious. Miami takes Darko to be a twin tower with Shaq. Clips take Hinrich to get their future star PG, so they wouldn't trade down in 2004 and would take Ben Gordon instead. Bulls take Howard and wait for Livingston or Harris next year. Milwaukee still takes T.J. Ford, as once he actually starts playing, he should be a gooder. NY takes Korver to be their sharp-shooter. Kaman goes to Washington mainly because he's BPA after Ridnour, who the Wizards don't need.


That's just how teams would take 'em. However, my top 10 rankings for 2003 are as follows:


1.LeBron
2.D-Wade
3.CB4
4.Melo
5.Howard
6.Hinrich
7.Korver
8.Kaman
9.Ridnour
10.Ford when healthy, Milicic otherwise

Dark Knight
03-08-2005, 08:30 PM
Yep....gotta love the inconsistancy from night to night :D

Gotta love the fact he was guarded by three Dallas players but still managed 13 :D

Chaos
03-08-2005, 08:47 PM
Gotta love the fact he was guarded by three Dallas players but still managed 13 :D

Im sorry, but Shawn Bradley should never be able to hold someone of decent offensive ability to 13 points. He had an off night...happens all the time with young guys.

Porn*
03-08-2005, 08:51 PM
Im sorry, but Shawn Bradley should never be able to hold someone of decent offensive ability to 13 points. He had an off night...happens all the time with young guys.
46 5-11 0-0 3-4 3 8 1 5 0 1 2 13

not that bad of a game to be honest... on or off... being double and triple teamed all game is tough to fight off.

Chaos
03-08-2005, 08:56 PM
46 5-11 0-0 3-4 3 8 1 5 0 1 2 13

not that bad of a game to be honest... on or off... being double and triple teamed all game is tough to fight off.

And most of the double teams came from guys 5 or 6 inches shorter than him. He had an off night...nothing wrong with that in a young player. Hell, LeBron has off nights every now and then.

PredsFan77*
03-09-2005, 12:28 AM
Is TJ Ford ever going to play again?

Doomsday Device
03-09-2005, 12:36 AM
1. LeBron James
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Chris Bosh
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Kirk Hinrich
6. Darko Milicic
7. Chris Kaman
8. T.J. Ford
9. Josh Howard
10. Luke Ridnour

Dark Knight
03-09-2005, 05:10 AM
And most of the double teams came from guys 5 or 6 inches shorter than him. He had an off night...nothing wrong with that in a young player. Hell, LeBron has off nights every now and then.

he did have an off night.

Chilly Willy*
03-09-2005, 05:54 AM
I actually agree with you, it'll take Bosh a bit more time, but 5 years from now, everyone will agree with you as well, players like Bosh don't come along often, while players of Wade's ilk can be found in every draft, not to take away anything from Wade who's a tremendous talent, but scoring combo guards are everywhere in the league...

Once Bosh puts it all together, he'll be a force in the NBA...



I like Chris Bosh, but he looks soo friggin retarded. His head is soo small and he looks like a damn dinosaur. If he put on some muscle and grew like a Alonzo Mourning type of beard he'd look somewhat normal, cuz damn i can't stand to watch him play because he looks soo weird and funny.

But this year he has been playing very solid and will get better as the season winds down, next year will be huge for him.


Out of the draft...after Lebron, who cares. Wade is good but you can't build a team around him, Lebron is a franchise player and possibly the next best player in NBA history and he's what, not even legal age to drink yet?

Vic Rattlehead*
03-09-2005, 06:45 AM
Actually, you could build a team around Wade. Last year, one of the reasons the Heat went from the bottom of the league to the playoffs was because of Wade. Miami started to get good with Wade last year.

Chilly Willy*
03-09-2005, 06:57 AM
Actually, you could build a team around Wade. Last year, one of the reasons the Heat went from the bottom of the league to the playoffs was because of Wade. Miami started to get good with Wade last year.


Lebron James has had a bigger impact on his team than Wade has, Cleveland wasn't even on the radar before, but with Lebron they are a team that people are starting to take serious.

Lebron alone has cause enough of a commotion to get Usher to buy into the team and well...thats one helluva 20yr old player to get you that pumped.


By the time Lebron is 23 like Wade, he will be one of the top 5 players in the league, i might be putting my foot in my mouth but Lebron is just soo damn good, i mean i have never seen a guy jump up for a ball and float in the air like that. I'm not even a basketball fan but since Lebron's hype i have started to watch alot of basketball (also because of the strike) and i keep a close eye on Lebron and how he plays, even on an off night he still is an impact player.

When Wade disappears, he's virtually off the map. He averaged 16 ppg last year as a rookie and had 991pts total for the season playing 61 games (starting 56), he wasn't that much of an impact, Heat just had all the other players starting to play better and this year is a huge indication of that, Wade's stats are vastly bloated because of the players that are surrounding him. If Lebron had a player like Shaq...well just the thought of that sends chills up my spine.

Dark Knight
03-09-2005, 09:22 AM
I like Chris Bosh, but he looks soo friggin retarded. His head is soo small and he looks like a damn dinosaur. If he put on some muscle and grew like a Alonzo Mourning type of beard he'd look somewhat normal, cuz damn i can't stand to watch him play because he looks soo weird and funny.

But this year he has been playing very solid and will get better as the season winds down, next year will be huge for him.


Out of the draft...after Lebron, who cares. Wade is good but you can't build a team around him, Lebron is a franchise player and possibly the next best player in NBA history and he's what, not even legal age to drink yet?

dinosaur eh? then Raptors and Bosh had a match made in heaven! ;) A perfect franchise player. My mom calls him ' Dino Baby ' ;)

Dark Knight
03-09-2005, 09:26 AM
Actually, you could build a team around Wade. Last year, one of the reasons the Heat went from the bottom of the league to the playoffs was because of Wade. Miami started to get good with Wade last year.


No Offense to Wade but he had a nice supporting cast with him ( Butler and Odom ). Plus, Alston played very good Point last year with Miami. But in the end, i think Wade can be a franchise player, but it would nice seeing him without Shaq and carrying the load of the team ;).

417
03-09-2005, 11:24 AM
Lebron James has had a bigger impact on his team than Wade has, Cleveland wasn't even on the radar before, but with Lebron they are a team that people are starting to take serious.

Lebron alone has cause enough of a commotion to get Usher to buy into the team and well...thats one helluva 20yr old player to get you that pumped.


By the time Lebron is 23 like Wade, he will be one of the top 5 players in the league, i might be putting my foot in my mouth but Lebron is just soo damn good, i mean i have never seen a guy jump up for a ball and float in the air like that. I'm not even a basketball fan but since Lebron's hype i have started to watch alot of basketball (also because of the strike) and i keep a close eye on Lebron and how he plays, even on an off night he still is an impact player.

When Wade disappears, he's virtually off the map. He averaged 16 ppg last year as a rookie and had 991pts total for the season playing 61 games (starting 56), he wasn't that much of an impact, Heat just had all the other players starting to play better and this year is a huge indication of that, Wade's stats are vastly bloated because of the players that are surrounding him. If Lebron had a player like Shaq...well just the thought of that sends chills up my spine.

I agree about Lebron, he's sick, I remember seeing a tape of Lebron James grabbing a quarter from the top of a backboard off a one step two foot jump :shakehead By the time this kid is done playing, he'll be remembered as one of the greatest athletes in all sports of all time...

All Hail King James :bow: :bow: