Would the Leafs trade their 1st rounder?

Would the Leafs trade their 1st rounder (again) ?

what would tucker and a 1st rounder get them?

With this work stoppage who knows....

its their only significant trading card left-
other than antro and colo (dont!)

I doubt it. After this year the Leafs are going ot have to into a re-build mode with most of their vets retiring and with all the rookies that will be ready. They gave it up last year, they won't again. If the Leafs aren't in a good positio at the deadline I could really see Ferguson blowing up the team, getting ready for the work stopage and the season after, when the Leafs young defense core, Tellqvist, and fowards like Steen and Stajan will be coming up.

Would the Leafs trade their 1st rounder (again) ?

what would tucker and a 1st rounder get them?
Good question..........I think the Toronto Maple Leafs should do everything in their power to go all the way and chase for the Stanley Cup..........I would trade away the first pick along with Tucker to Detroit for Chris Chelios............Detroit I feel can afford to give him up cause they have the best and deepest core of defencemen of all the teams in the League...........Chelios would be great addition to Toronto even if it were for only one season.......It's hard to win a Cup especially when you play in a League with 29-OTHER teams and when you are the Leafs and you have the cast of players that they currently have and are 1 or 2 players away from becoming a serious threat for Lord Stanley's Mug I say the Leafs should get off their Fannies and get the one or two extra players that we need to challenge the Detroit's or Colorado's of the world.

what if it gets them aaron miller, or eric brewer ?

Miller no way.............HOWEVER; Eric Brewer would be nice addition..not only is he a great skater with alot of talent but he's still a very young player...........Do you think a first round pick and Tucker would be enough to pluck Brewer away from Edmonton?

i know they like tucker
but their blueline is thinning out.
give them pilar too?
risky

how about something crazy, like:

1st pick
steen
colaiacovo
tucker
belak

for

comrie
brewer
laraque

it depends if they're sincere about winning now

how about something crazy, like:

1st pick
steen
colaiacovo
tucker
belak

for

comrie
brewer
laraque

it depends if they're sincere about winning now

Sounds like a good idea.........Comrie still not signed yet and he's not exactly on the same page with Kevin Lowe either.....the Oilers may be looking to ship him out........I really like George Laraque, seen him play plenty here at the AHL level for the Hamilton Bulldogs when they use to be affiliated with the Oilers organization.......Laraque and Domi on the same team?....Wow!......who would want to mess around with the Leafs then?........I think that's a pretty fair deal you got there.

Sounds like a good idea.........Comrie still not signed yet and he's not exactly on the same page with Kevin Lowe either.....the Oilers may be looking to ship him out........I really like George Laraque, seen him play plenty here at the AHL level for the Hamilton Bulldogs when they use to be affiliated with the Oilers organization.......Laraque and Domi on the same team?....Wow!......who would want to mess around with the Leafs then?........I think that's a pretty fair deal you got there.

Of COURSE it sounds like a good idea.
It's a GREAT idea.

It has no semblance of reality, but it's a great idea!

You think they'd deal Comrie AND Brewer and the best player they'd get in return is Tucker? Steen and Colaiacovo are nice prospects, but neither is a sure-fire NHL success...

Insanity.

Good question..........I think the Toronto Maple Leafs should do everything in their power to go all the way and chase for the Stanley Cup..........I would trade away the first pick along with Tucker to Detroit for Chris Chelios............Detroit I feel can afford to give him up cause they have the best and deepest core of defencemen of all the teams in the League...........Chelios would be great addition to Toronto even if it were for only one season.......It's hard to win a Cup especially when you play in a League with 29-OTHER teams and when you are the Leafs and you have the cast of players that they currently have and are 1 or 2 players away from becoming a serious threat for Lord Stanley's Mug I say the Leafs should get off their Fannies and get the one or two extra players that we need to challenge the Detroit's or Colorado's of the world.

The Leafs would never do that...this guy is same age as Johnny Bower......the team is too old now.....a 1st and Tucker for him....nooooooo......they can get someone that is just as good and alot younger for that price.....they just got rid of their last 1st rounder.......they have to keep this one....Hamerlik would be a great pickup as the Islanders are tryin to rid some salary......the price tag wouldnt be as high as he is a free agent at the end of the year.....they could of gotten Hatcher for nothing......so why give up a 1st and Tucker for a player thats not as good as him.....Chelios would be better then Hatcher a few years back but he lost a step.

Of COURSE it sounds like a good idea.
It's a GREAT idea.

It has no semblance of reality, but it's a great idea!

You think they'd deal Comrie AND Brewer and the best player they'd get in return is Tucker? Steen and Colaiacovo are nice prospects, but neither is a sure-fire NHL success...

Insanity.

Edmonton doesn't have the money that Toronto does........they would be dumping some Salary that they can't afford right now and be getting back some great young players in return........this is basically How the Oilers have been doing things anyways ever since their Gretzky-Dynasty years.

The Leafs would never do that...this guy is same age as Johnny Bower......the team is too old now.....a 1st and Tucker for him....nooooooo......they can get someone that is just as good and alot younger for that price.....they just got rid of their last 1st rounder.......they have to keep this one....Hamerlik would be a great pickup as the Islanders are tryin to rid some salary......the price tag wouldnt be as high as he is a free agent at the end of the year.....they could of gotten Hatcher for nothing......so why give up a 1st and Tucker for a player thats not as good as him.....Chelios would be better then Hatcher a few years back but he lost a step.

Hamrlik would be great but I also feel that if the Leafs really wanted him they would have had him by now because Hamrlik's name has been bantered about since the start of the summer.

Edmonton doesn't have the money that Toronto does........they would be dumping some Salary that they can't afford right now and be getting back some great young players in return........this is basically How the Oilers have been doing things anyways ever since their Gretzky-Dynasty years.

Okay monkey.

You think if Kevin Lowe called around the league and said "we're going to deal a package of Brewer, Comrie and Laraque, offer away", the BEST they could do would be your proposal?

I don't think so.

Take out Comrie and it's more likely...Brewer and Laraque for Tucker, 1st, Carlo and Steen.

you can say that
but what did they get for anson carter?

Sounds like a good idea.........Comrie still not signed yet and he's not exactly on the same page with Kevin Lowe either.....the Oilers may be looking to ship him out........I really like George Laraque, seen him play plenty here at the AHL level for the Hamilton Bulldogs when they use to be affiliated with the Oilers organization.......Laraque and Domi on the same team?....Wow!......who would want to mess around with the Leafs then?........I think that's a pretty fair deal you got there.

I realise you prefaced your post with the disclaimer; ” how about something crazy, like”
1st pick, steen, colaiacovo, tucker,& belak for comrie, brewer & laraque. Having said why would Edmonton trade arguably their best assets and impact players for two Leafs barely able to play in the league, two who haven’t yet played in the league and a draft pick? This sounds like a Leaf fans wet dream and really laughable. Next.

The Leafs would never do that...this guy is same age as Johnny Bower.

Who are talking about? Belak & or Tucker?
whoa ....

Okay monkey.

You think if Kevin Lowe called around the league and said "we're going to deal a package of Brewer, Comrie and Laraque, offer away", the BEST they could do would be your proposal?

I don't think so.

Take out Comrie and it's more likely...Brewer and Laraque for Tucker, 1st, Carlo and Steen.

The Leafs don't really need Comrie anyways........They have planty of forwards as it is........I think that second scenario you have sounds more realistic.

you can say that
but what did they get for anson carter?

They got a solid young scorer in Radek Dvorak who scored some key goals for them down the stretch (including one of the nicest I've ever seen against the Stars), and scored 31 goals as a 23 year old only two seasons ago.

Carter was also due a huge raise.

Think about this - most of the rumours involving Comrie center around someone like Havlat or Datsyuk...and Brewer would cost more than Comrie.

I mean, Comrie/Brewer would hypothetically fetch something along the lines of Havlat/Volchenkov/Vermette should the Senators be so inclined.

We don't have the assets to do this type of deal anymore...we spent them on Owen Nolan.

well when they got dvorak he was in a bad rut, his market value was no more than tuckers

They got a solid young scorer in Radek Dvorak who scored some key goals for them down the stretch (including one of the nicest I've ever seen against the Stars), and scored 31 goals as a 23 year old only two seasons ago.

Carter was also due a huge raise.

Think about this - most of the rumours involving Comrie center around someone like Havlat or Datsyuk...and Brewer would cost more than Comrie.

I mean, Comrie/Brewer would hypothetically fetch something along the lines of Havlat/Volchenkov/Vermette should the Senators be so inclined.

We don't have the assets to do this type of deal anymore...we spent them on Owen Nolan.

Nordique, assuming you're a Leaf fan, you are one of the common-sensical I've read here. Kudos’

We don't have the assets to do this type of deal anymore...we spent them on Owen Nolan."

the assets are similar:

1st rounder
mccauley
boyes

1st rounder
tucker
steen

the 1st one got us nolan
adding colaiacovo is unwise, unless you get a quality young player back which in turn can get you two significant assets.

comrie brewer was just an example
if that's too much too ask for i'm sure another scenario lurks.
there's a lot of teams out there on the brink of cutting salary

First I wouldn't call Dvorak a "solid young scorer". Hes a very streaky player, sometimes playing very well, sometimes not. He's had one 30 goal season, but beyond that hes never reached 20. Hes also some what injury prone.

The leafs could get Comrie if they gave up Antropov.

I realise you prefaced your post with the disclaimer; ” how about something crazy, like”
1st pick, steen, colaiacovo, tucker,& belak for comrie, brewer & laraque. Having said why would Edmonton trade arguably their best assets and impact players for two Leafs barely able to play in the league, two who haven’t yet played in the league and a draft pick? This sounds like a Leaf fans wet dream and really laughable. Next.


listen 10 post punk

steen and colaiacovo and a 1st round pick is the equivalent of three 1st rounders.
whats more steen and colaiacovo are amongst the mostly highly touted prospects .

call them two who havent played in the league and a draft pick if you want, but its a wet dream any gm would bend over if his team was in financial despair

listen 10 post punk.............

:lol: :lol: :lol: ..

listen 10 post punk

Good grief...
Someones mother needs to change the NetNanny password.

listen 10 post punk

steen and colaiacovo and a 1st round pick is the equivalent of three 1st rounders.
whats more steen and colaiacovo are amongst the mostly highly touted prospects .

call them two who havent played in the league and a draft pick if you want, but its a wet dream any gm would bend over if his team was in financial despair

If they're so wonderful, keep them ...

stay in the woods and hibernate

listen 10 post punk

steen and colaiacovo and a 1st round pick is the equivalent of three 1st rounders.
whats more steen and colaiacovo are amongst the mostly highly touted prospects .

call them two who havent played in the league and a draft pick if you want, but its a wet dream any gm would bend over if his team was in financial despair

I agree with you here on this one........couldn't have said it better myself........obviously this guy hasn't seen Steen and Colaiacovo play.........Next.

stay in the woods and hibernate

:lol: :lol: :lol: ..

The Leafs would never do that...this guy is same age as Johnny Bower......the team is too old now.....a 1st and Tucker for him....nooooooo......they can get someone that is just as good and alot younger for that price.....they just got rid of their last 1st rounder.......they have to keep this one....Hamerlik would be a great pickup as the Islanders are tryin to rid some salary......the price tag wouldnt be as high as he is a free agent at the end of the year.....they could of gotten Hatcher for nothing......so why give up a 1st and Tucker for a player thats not as good as him.....Chelios would be better then Hatcher a few years back but he lost a step.

Chris Chelios the same age as Johnny Bower?.........Ummm,ya ok buddy.........He might not be a young Pup right now but he's still alot better than anything we have playing on our blueline currently, that's for sure.

stay in the woods and hibernate
I don't think the Bear is a Leafs supporter anyways...just some clown pretending to be one.

but the bottom line is, would the leafs trade their first pick in a package, similar to the nolan deal, in order to upgrade their blueline.

because lets face it, the blueline isnt good enough.
if you were concerned about it last yr, my god, that looks pretty good now.

i cant see ken klee being the master plan.
there has to be something bigger in the works.

listen 10 post punk

steen and colaiacovo and a 1st round pick is the equivalent of three 1st rounders.
whats more steen and colaiacovo are amongst the mostly highly touted prospects .

call them two who havent played in the league and a draft pick if you want, but its a wet dream any gm would bend over if his team was in financial despair

but the bottom line is, would the leafs trade their first pick in a package, similar to the nolan deal, in order to upgrade their blueline.

because lets face it, the blueline isnt good enough.
if you were concerned about it last yr, my god, that looks pretty good now.

i cant see ken klee being the master plan.
there has to be something bigger in the works.


p.l.f.

Firstly,
Let me get this straight.
First you say Colaiacovo is among the NHL's most highly regarded prospects and that any GM would "bend over" to acquire players like him. In the next breath you say the Leafs blueline isn't good enough with him.
Which is it?
If Colaiacovo is such a outstanding prospect why not hang onto him to improve the Leafs suspect defence?
There's definitely a gap in your logic.
Secondly,
Before you dis me for being only a "3 post punk", even less than the other guy, unlike you I have a life. Nobody's opinion is more valid than another just because of the number of the posts.
OUT

listen 10 post punk


whoa! chill...he might have only 10 posts or so, but that's a pretty unclassy thing to say... he's still entitled to his opinion, although it might different from yours...

p.l.f.

Firstly,
Let me get this straight.
First you say Colaiacovo is among the NHL's most highly regarded prospects and that any GM would "bend over" to acquire players like him. In the next breath you say the Leafs blueline isn't good enough with him.
Which is it?
If Colaiacovo is such a outstanding prospect why not hang onto him to improve the Leafs suspect defence?
There's definitely a gap in your logic.
Secondly,
Before you dis me for being only a "3 post punk", even less than the other guy, unlike you I have a life. Nobody's opinion is more valid than another just because of the number of the posts.
OUT

Ok lets get this sorted out:

Firstly there is no 'gap in logic'
If the leafs want to win the cup this yr, and i assume they do , then they'll need a quality starting 3 defenseman now.
the key word is NOW

the blue line as of NOW is not good enough
colaiacovo is a highly regarded prospect yes, but he's not ready NOW to take on a starting 3 role this yr.
you could break him into the 3rd pairing, but the smarter move might be to keep him on the rock for a full season getting quality ice time.

a gamble would be to trade him NOW in a package, to acquire someone more established to help the team win the cup NOW.

boyes was the guy dealt in similar fashion last season, along with the pick and mccauley, to get nolan in an attempt to win NOW

would they do similar this season in an effort to win NOW ?

Secondly, and i didnt miss this one either, you remarked unlike me, you have a life.
After pondering for a few minutes what type of response to give to such a moronically childish comment, i've decided to just let it pass, because you're hardly worth getting into an argument with.

Who are talking about? Belak & or Tucker?
whoa ....
Bear..if you would of opened your eyes you would of seen i was talking about Chelios....read before you talk ok plzzz....

Chris Chelios the same age as Johnny Bower?.........Ummm,ya ok buddy.........He might not be a young Pup right now but he's still alot better than anything we have playing on our blueline currently, that's for sure.
anyone would of known i was exaggerating about his age.....except you of course...Chelios in his day would of been better then any dman we have yes thats true.....but who would you rather have today on your defense Chelios or Kaberle.....i would take Kaberle anytime.....but thats my opinion...maybe not yours....thats why we post in here.....i have seen the Leafs win a cup in person have you?...... when little snots like you think you know everything its makes me laugh......if you want to disagree with someone fine......but saying ...ummmm ya ok buddy......it shows you got a lot of growing up to do...your name monkey fits you perfectly...

TO EDM: Tucker, Hedin, Pilar, 1st
TO TOR: Brewer, 3rd, 7th

or....

TO EDM: Tucker, Bell, Pilar, 1st
TO TOR: Brewer, 2nd

Thoughts?

Tucker and a 1st will not get you Chelios. Tucker would not fit into the Wings and we want to hang on to him as he is still very valuble to our club.

Why would Edmonton, with a surplus of forwards, trade a bona fide top four defender in Brewer, especially for these players?

I don't know if THAT package would do it, but Brewers contract is up after this season and will be looking for a raise, the Oilers may want to move him rather then get into a salary dispute or lose him to UFA (which could happen whent hey get a new CBA).

it doesnt have to be brewer :rolleyes:

there should be others out there, given at the right time

1st pick
tucker
pilar

for

...

and if thats not enough

1st pick
tucker
colaiacovo ( i wish it weren't)

for

....


remember,

1st pick
mccauley
boyes

got us

nolan


very similar!

I don't know if THAT package would do it, but Brewers contract is up after this season and will be looking for a raise, the Oilers may want to move him rather then get into a salary dispute or lose him to UFA (which could happen whent hey get a new CBA).

I doubt that the new CBA will have 24 year old free agents. If so, the Houston Oilers will not have to worry as much.

That said, I really think that all fans should re-address their concerns. If I was a TO fan, I'd be a little more concerned about the NHL's current location agreement. It only takes 20 of the 30 owners to agree to changes, and the good people of TO may have more than one team to cheer for! Which do you think is more likely

1) A 24 year old UFA limit.
2) 20 Small Market Owners looking at splitting a share of a franchise fee.

Remember, as you've pointed out, hockey is about business.

So, rather than jumping to the contract argument, you may wish to say it's better to trade Brewer, as he is likely to be hit by a metorite within the next year ;-)

That said - if the Oiler's belive that it is time to trade him, they'll start looking for trade partner's now. They'll need to get back at least one quality defenseman back, and TO doesn't have any available. IMHO, not a good deal to be made here.

"I doubt that the new CBA will have 24 year old free agents"

Hes 24 now, but he could very well be 26 by the time a CBA is in place, and having 26 year old free agents is a good possibilty (personally I think to get a salary cap the owners will have to give up RFA all together, buts thats me). Toronto has a lot of good quality defense in the 19-20 year old range who will be NHLers if not this season then next. Yes a trade like this is long shot, but the Leafs can offer a good package.

but the bottom line is, would the leafs trade their first pick in a package, similar to the nolan deal, in order to upgrade their blueline.

because lets face it, the blueline isnt good enough.
if you were concerned about it last yr, my god, that looks pretty good now.

i cant see ken klee being the master plan.
there has to be something bigger in the works.

I agree...........

I honestly think that the Leafs are working on a Blockbuster that would bring them that STUD defenceman that they clearly lack........cause I also feel that they want to make the BIG PUSH for the Cup this season and if they fail in that then THAT'S when I see them going ahead in another direction with the Youth movement........I wonder what would it take to land Sergei Gonchar in Toronto?

>>>i have seen the Leafs win a cup in person have you?...... when little snots like you think you know everything its makes me laugh......if you want to disagree with someone fine......but saying ...ummmm ya ok buddy......it shows you got a lot of growing up to do<<<

Ummm................................

I agree...........

I honestly think that the Leafs are working on a Blockbuster that would bring them that STUD defenceman that they clearly lack........cause I also feel that they want to make the BIG PUSH for the Cup this season and if they fail in that then THAT'S when I see them going ahead in another direction with the Youth movement........I wonder what would it take to land Sergei Gonchar in Toronto?


it has been quiet.
usually when there's no rumors floating around is when something big happens

it has been quiet.
usually when there's no rumors floating around is when something big happens
Absolutely............I was thinking the exact same thing myself at school today...........I mean we all know that the Leafs need to really go after another defenceman or two and yet Not one Peep in the media about "trade rumours"............something is brewing.........you're right.

Very interesting thing I just discovered regarding "ToMaLe"..........It says on his/her profile that they have made a total of 28-posts.........HOWEVER when you check to see if you can read all 28 of them all that we are given are the last 4-posts this person has made........very very interesting............what happened to the first 24???

Very interesting thing I just discovered regarding "ToMaLe"..........It says on his/her profile that they have made a total of 28-posts.........HOWEVER when you check to see if you can read all 28 of them all that we are given are the last 4-posts this person has made........very very interesting............what happened to the first 24???

The first 24 posts were before the meltdown. It's like that for everybody.

The first 24 posts were before the meltdown. It's like that for everybody.
thank you Leaf Army......you beat me to the post lol....any more questions Mr Leafs HB wanna be cop? try sticking to Leaf info monkey instead of trying to be smart..you are making yourself look foolish.. Im sure knowlegable posters like Leaf Army among others would appreciate that..ty

>>>try sticking to Leaf info monkey instead of trying to be smart..you are making yourself look foolish.. Im sure knowlegable posters like Leaf Army among others would appreciate that..ty<<<

Ummmm..............

>>>try sticking to Leaf info monkey instead of trying to be smart..you are making yourself look foolish.. Im sure knowlegable posters like Leaf Army among others would appreciate that..ty<<<

Ummmm..............
monkey see monkey do.....you sooooooo have the right name

monkey see monkey do.....you sooooooo have the right name
Thanks.............I love the monkey handle.

monkey see monkey do.....you sooooooo have the right name
What did you think of the Leafs-Habs game last night?.............(this should be good...we might actually get some hockey talk out of ToMale)

The first 24 posts were before the meltdown. It's like that for everybody.
Really?.........I hope that meltdown didn't make all those BWO members go away.