Oilers-San Jose Trade Proposal

They are both in the Western Conference so I doubt it would happen but a trade between San Jose and the Oilers would be a good deal for both.

To San Jose:
Mike Comrie
Jason Smith

To Edmonton:
Patrick Marleau
Brad Stuart

Offensively Comrie is outproducing Marleau and San Jose needs offense. Oilers get their big Centre in Marleau. San Jose needs a proven vetran D-man in Smith. Oilers will have to unload him soon anyways and they get a solid d-man in return in Stuart.

Fair deal??? I think so


Cheers

As much as I'd like to see Marleau as an Oiler, I don't think this deal offers the Sharks nearly enough to get it done. Despite last season Stuart is still a top young defenseman, and I think getting either him or Marleau, let alone both, would be very costly.

oilers are not giving up enough poeces

maybe a 2nd and a good prospect

As much as I'd like to see Marleau as an Oiler, I don't think this deal offers the Sharks nearly enough to get it done. Despite last season Stuart is still a top young defenseman, and I think getting either him or Marleau, let alone both, would be very costly.


As another Oiler fan I agree with OGE. Sj loses this trade.

As an Oilers fan, I do this deal in a heartbeat.. Marleau is the big, number one centerman we've been looking for. Stuart would be an anchor on our blueline for years to come and would provide an instant jolt to our powerplay.. also, we'd get something of value back for Smith who will likely outprice himself from the Oilers after he becomes a UFA. However, I question why San Jose would do this. Comrie would look good in San Jose in my opinion but they already have McLaren and Rathje on their blue line, 2 guys very similar to Smith. Likewise, it could be argued that Comrie = Marleau but that Stuart will soon be > Smith. Just imagine a top 4 defensive core of Smith, Rathje, McLaren and Hannan though.. that would hurt ;)

Ya, all us Oiler fans like this trade but its probably because it is unfair we would have to add in more value either high pick or dare I say it hemsky.perhaps dvorak.not likely rita. I just see Marleau playing too huge a role in San Jose's future for any reasonable deal to be struck

Comrie=Marleau
Brewer=Stuart

thats the way i see them stacking up.

Unless Edmonton wants a goalie, i dont see these 2 teams trading.

Ya, all us Oiler fans like this trade but its probably because it is unfair we would have to add in more value either high pick or dare I say it hemsky.perhaps dvorak.not likely rita. I just see Marleau playing too huge a role in San Jose's future for any reasonable deal to be struck

Hemsky's value is higher than any of the other players you mention so I don't see that happening. The Oilers would be stupid to deal him, he's got star written all over him. As for Dvorak, his value is a little low right now so the Oilers will be better served keeping him and seeing how he performs in the more open West and on the good ice in Edmonton. I think you could see 30 goals out of him this year. Of all the players you mention, I think Rita would be the 1st to move. I don't think he's the offensive talent the Oilers were hoping for when they drafted him. He'll be a nice top 6 player but won't be a big offensive threat. Good, solid two way game though.

Hemsky's value is higher than any of the other players you mention so I don't see that happening. The Oilers would be stupid to deal him, he's got star written all over him. As for Dvorak, his value is a little low right now so the Oilers will be better served keeping him and seeing how he performs in the more open West and on the good ice in Edmonton. I think you could see 30 goals out of him this year. Of all the players you mention, I think Rita would be the 1st to move. I don't think he's the offensive talent the Oilers were hoping for when they drafted him. He'll be a nice top 6 player but won't be a big offensive threat. Good, solid two way game though.
I was not implying that we actually trade any of them I was just making the point that we would have to give up more value for Marleau and Stuart then they were worth. If u want to post the trade of
Smith,Comrie,Rita to San Jose
for
Marleau ,Stewart to Edmonton on the San Jose boards I am sure you would get next to no takers

Marleau > Comrie
Stuart > Smith

Absolutely no reason for the Sharks to make this deal, but strangely, this is an ideal trade for the Oilers.....interesting.

Marleau > Comrie I wouldn't say that is an irrefutable claim. To this point in time, Comrie has had better overall stats and is a year younger.. Comrie put up 33 goals in his first full season as an Oiler. Marleau only scored 13 and 21 in his first two seasons. Granted Marleau is bigger than Comrie and stronger defensively but it is a bit brunt to make the claim that he is a better player without at least providing a reason explaining why. I still can't believe that one injury-filled season by the former "Edmonton Kid" has dimished his value in the eyes of so many hockey fans.. I'm glad most GM's don't think like the typical fan or Lowe would be lucky to get Josh Green back from Calgary for Comrie. :rolleyes:

Marleau has too much potential, and Stuart is a stud.

EDIT: Marleau is not a slouch on defense.

The Sharks are not looking for, nor do they need, "veteran" help on defense. They are no longer looking to win now, but are building around their young players. There is absolutely no incentive for them to make this deal, it would be a step backwards. A big one, at that.

-khel

What about Gomez and.....nevermind

As an Oilers fan, I do this deal in a heartbeat.. Marleau is the big, number one centerman we've been looking for. Stuart would be an anchor on our blueline for years to come and would provide an instant jolt to our powerplay.. also, we'd get something of value back for Smith who will likely outprice himself from the Oilers after he becomes a UFA. However, I question why San Jose would do this. Comrie would look good in San Jose in my opinion but they already have McLaren and Rathje on their blue line, 2 guys very similar to Smith. Likewise, it could be argued that Comrie = Marleau but that Stuart will soon be > Smith. Just imagine a top 4 defensive core of Smith, Rathje, McLaren and Hannan though.. that would hurt ;)

Just like to applaud all the Oilers fans who see that this isn't really suitable to the Sharks needs. We are loaded with Jason Smith types, and while it is very close valuewise, ultimately the Sharks turn does this deal because they give up both their cornerstones in one fell swoop. Maybe if it was Brewer instead of Smith.

Marleau only scored 13 and 21 in his first two seasons.


Don't forget that Marleau was 18 n 19 during those years...considerin he was developin in the NHL those numbers are pretty impressive.

Don't forget that Marleau was 18 n 19 during those years...considerin he was developin in the NHL those numbers are pretty impressive.
Fair enough, I thought about that after I posted.. I agree that those stats are impressive for a player his age. I was just making the point that Marleau should not be considered head and shoulders above Comrie :)

I was just making the point that Marleau should not be considered head and shoulders above Comrie :)

Dont worry...I don't think thats true.

I was just making the point that Marleau should not be considered head and shoulders above Comrie :)
But Comrie reportedly has asked for a trade multiple times this year, and that seriously lowers his trade value.

But Comrie reportedly has asked for a trade multiple times this year, and that seriously lowers his trade value.

That and the fact he's an RFA.

since sharks fans have enough smith type defensemen already maybe replace Smith with (ok oilers won't like this I don't either but its Brad Stuart we're talking about here) A.Semenov and a 2nd?

Marleau, Stuart for Comrie, Smith

Done in a second ;)
However I agree this is probably not a trade the Sharks need to do.

SM
but what if we threw in Moreau ..... common .... please? ;)

I think the only reasonable offer the Sharks would take for Stuart and Marleau is Smyth and Comrie.The trade fullfills each teams wishes but both Smyth and Marleau are to imperative to their respective teams nucleus which puts a rain on the parade.

I put out a lot of crazy trades but this is the deal I would like to see get done.
To Boston:
Mike Comrie

To Edmonton:
Nick Boyton



To Edmonton:
Dainius Zubrus(call me crazy but I think he can be as good a power
forward as Bertuzzi.Is on the verge of breaking out if he
does not make it in the next 3yrs he will be a big bust)

To Washington:
Jason Smith
1st pick 2004
3rd pick 2004
2nd pick 2005 conditional (plays 70 or more games and gets 60 or more
points in 2004-2005season.push back a year
if holdout)

I think prospects are of increased value right now as their is a pretty decent chance of hold out and gives them extra time to develop take it into consideration when assesing the trade.Plus from Edm perspective saves us about a million in salary.

To Edmonton:
Dainius Zubrus(call me crazy but I think he can be as good a power
forward as Bertuzzi.Is on the verge of breaking out if he
does not make it in the next 3yrs he will be a big bust)

To Washington:
Jason Smith
1st pick 2004
3rd pick 2004
2nd pick 2005 conditional (plays 70 or more games and gets 60 or more
points in 2004-2005season.push back a year
if holdout)




the oilers don't trade first round draft picks... ever.

(edit: not to mention the last thing they need is to trade a defenseman [where they are weak] for a winger [where they have far too many])

the oilers don't trade first round draft picks... ever.

(edit: not to mention the last thing they need is to trade a defenseman [where they are weak] for a winger [where they have far too many])
Zubrus plays rw/lw/center and your right I can't recall every trading a first pick as we usually take rookies wait till they play good and go out of our salary range then trade them for the next batch of rookies(buy low sell high), but on the other hand I think Lowe would consider this risk if he could potentially have a superstar power forward like he always wanted. Boyton is an improvement on Smith at most likely a lower price when he re-signs. With acquiring Boyton we end up with two of the best young d in the league in Brewer and himself. Lowe already claimed Smith was being overpaid so I think he would like to move him and Brewer and Boyton will carry significantly higher trade value in the future where Smith has about peaked.

since sharks fans have enough smith type defensemen already maybe replace Smith with (ok oilers won't like this I don't either but its Brad Stuart we're talking about here) A.Semenov and a 2nd?

Funk dat. Oiler fans have been overrating Semenov for years. 1-6-7 and a -7 in 46 games?! Nah, you keep him. Besides, San Jose does not need defensemen, even if Brad Stuart is dealt.

Funk dat. Oiler fans have been overrating Semenov for years. 1-6-7 and a -7 in 46 games?! Nah, you keep him. Besides, San Jose does not need defensemen, even if Brad Stuart is dealt.
Stuart's a top 4d-man with a good upside are u guys really that deep on good d? No, I don't think it's a fair trade either but don't really see Semenov as being overrated I think he had trouble playing big minutes but once we got Cross I thought his play improved a lot since his work load was diminished and wasn't as tired.

P.S. yearS? Last year was his rookie season

Funk dat. Oiler fans have been overrating Semenov for years. 1-6-7 and a -7 in 46 games?! Nah, you keep him. Besides, San Jose does not need defensemen, even if Brad Stuart is dealt.
actually its our 1st rounders we over-rate for years like all teams
besides that Semenov was only a rookie last season and he played with brewer for most of year and he played really good, he took on Scott Thornton in a fight to stand up for his teammates so it shows he likely to do whatever to impress the team and he is tough

second fastest skater on the team, hardest shot (according to the skill comp. last year), he will even take on Bertuzzi in front and behind the net if he was asked and he did last year and he did a good job, naslund was another story thou. :mad:

and how were oilers fan over-rating Semenov for years to come anyway?

before Semenov's call up i didn't think much of him until i saw him play a few times

Man, Oil fans have been going on about Semenov since he was in juniors, since before the boards were even in this format. After his last year at Sudbury, for a little while there on the old prospects board you couldn't swing a stick without hitting an Edmonton fan who was going on about how amazing it is for a guy that huge to have such an offensive game...the next Chris Pronger (Jiri Fischer was called that a lot, as well)...blah...blah...blah. Haven't seen too much of it on these boards, so maybe you guys have a bit more sense than the old crowd. Ask lowetide; I'm sure he remembers the incessant blithering about Semenov from back in the day.

Sure, it was his rookie year, but he's not that young. Alexi had a full year and a half of seasoning in the AHL and, from the looks of it, still struggled quite a bit in the show.

And, yes, the Sharks do have a good deal of defensive depth right now. Rathje, McLaren, Hannan, Stuart, Fahey and then Christian Ehrhoff, who looks more than ready for NHL duty and seems to have 2/3 upside. San Jose has a couple more guys who are probably ready for 6/7 type roles in the show in Davison and Preissing and then you get into the real "prospect" guys like recent 2nd rounders Dan Spang and Matthew Carle who will obviously take a while to pan out if they ever make it.

Yeah, subtracting Stuart from the mix would hurt, but San Jose would still have a capable top 4 in Rathje, McLaren, Hannan and Fahey/Ehrhoff and enough young depth to fill in the third pairing plus more youngsters on the way. The Sharks could survive trading Brad Stuart without a defenseman in return if the price was right, especially if Christian Ehrhoff turns out to be as good as he looks right now.

Man, Oil fans have been going on about Semenov since he was in juniors, since before the boards were even in this format. After his last year at Sudbury, for a little while there on the old prospects board you couldn't swing a stick without hitting an Edmonton fan who was going on about how amazing it is for a guy that huge to have such an offensive game...the next Chris Pronger (Jiri Fischer was called that a lot, as well)...blah...blah...blah. Haven't seen too much of it on these boards, so maybe you guys have a bit more sense than the old crowd. Ask lowetide; I'm sure he remembers the incessant blithering about Semenov from back in the day.

Sure, it was his rookie year, but he's not that young. Alexi had a full year and a half of seasoning in the AHL and, from the looks of it, still struggled quite a bit in the show.

And, yes, the Sharks do have a good deal of defensive depth right now. Rathje, McLaren, Hannan, Stuart, Fahey and then Christian Ehrhoff, who looks more than ready for NHL duty and seems to have 2/3 upside. San Jose has a couple more guys who are probably ready for 6/7 type roles in the show in Davison and Preissing and then you get into the real "prospect" guys like recent 2nd rounders Dan Spang and Matthew Carle who will obviously take a while to pan out if they ever make it.

Yeah, subtracting Stuart from the mix would hurt, but San Jose would still have a capable top 4 in Rathje, McLaren, Hannan and Fahey/Ehrhoff and enough young depth to fill in the third pairing plus more youngsters on the way. The Sharks could survive trading Brad Stuart without a defenseman in return if the price was right, especially if Christian Ehrhoff turns out to be as good as he looks right now.
good post, very informative. What are your thoughts on Smyth,Comrie for Marleau,Stuart not whether or not you want to do it but what impact it would have on our teams and if it would be for the better of both.

good post, very informative. What are your thoughts on Smyth,Comrie for Marleau,Stuart not whether or not you want to do it but what impact it would have on our teams and if it would be for the better of both.

I would have to think on that one for a long time if I was Doug Wilson.

Pros:

- deal from a position of strength (defense) to fill a weakness (left wing)
- upgrade scoring offense

Cons:

- sacrifice two "name" players from the org. that fans have watched develop for years
- weaken defense

I think in terms of value and filling needs for both teams that it is a fair deal. Then what it comes down to is individual player evaluation. How much untapped potential does each player in the deal have, what are the likelihoods of reaching that potential and what are the intangibles?

As far as untapped potential goes, I think Edmonton clearly win the exchange, for reasons which shouldn't really take any explaining. Both Marleau and Stuart are still young (both 23) and have really high upsides.

Smyth seems to have peaked as a goal-scorer, which is disappointing, because I really thought he'd be in the 40-50 goal range by this point in his career. He may yet turn the corner, but it gets less likely with every passing year. I remember watching Jeff Friesen go down the same road of "good but can't get that last piece into place" (not directly comparing the two, Smyth is better), so I know how it can end up that way.

Mike Comrie is an excellent young player, but I dunno how much better he is going to get. I doubt he'll ever be a Joe Sakic-type. The 70-80 point range is certainly possible, but I think he will always have defensive shortcomings and I'm almost positive that he will always be a crybaby.

In the end, no, I don't think I would do it as the Sharks' GM, but that's not to say I wouldn't be sorely tempted. The offer is quite fair and if the team were in more of a win-now mode at the beginning of the year (like, say, any season in the last 5 years but this one?) I think I'd bite as adding a vet like Smyth to the 1st-line LW would do a world of good.

I hope that if there is an Oiler that is never traded I hope it is Smyth. He is the heart and soul of the team.

I still think that Marleau is still a good trade for Comrie. Marleau is a couple years older than Comrie. Comrie has already out performed Marleau in points and put Comrie out with a veteran like Damphousse......

I think that that the Oilers will deal away Jasom Smith this year, so why not make a package deal???? I do not think that Stuart - Smith is a bad deal. Smith brings leadership to the Sharks that they do not have.

I hope that if there is an Oiler that is never traded I hope it is Smyth. He is the heart and soul of the team.

I still think that Marleau is still a good trade for Comrie. Marleau is a couple years older than Comrie. Comrie has already out performed Marleau in points and put Comrie out with a veteran like Damphousse......

I think that that the Oilers will deal away Jasom Smith this year, so why not make a package deal???? I do not think that Stuart - Smith is a bad deal. Smith brings leadership to the Sharks that they do not have.

For the record, Marleau is less that one year older than Comrie. Marleau is bigger and stronger and IMHO has a better game than Comrie. Marleau is a player any GM would be willing to drop a 1st and more for.

Comrie is a good player, but I'll kepp Patty.

For the record, Marleau is less that one year older than Comrie. Marleau is bigger and stronger and IMHO has a better game than Comrie. Marleau is a player any GM would be willing to drop a 1st and more for.

Comrie is a good player, but I'll kepp Patty.
Comrie isn't and never will be considered a #1 centre because of his size,even if he ever learned to play away from the puck he's simply not big enough to be an effective #1 centre.this isn't the 80's where run an gun works!
Quality #2 with nice talents yes,but SJ would hang up the phone without a discussion about this trade.

Besides,Comries stock is falling fast,to the point where they'll be lucky to get a 2nd round pick/prospect for him.I can't imagine any GM tradeing much for a smallish holdout centre that wants 3 million a year,the Oilers created this mess with the crazy bonuses that gave him 10 mill the last 3 years...now they'll have to live with it and either sign him for close to what he wants or let him sit until the next CBA!

Besides,Comries stock is falling fast,to the point where they'll be lucky to get a 2nd round pick/prospect for him.

:lol:


I can't imagine any GM tradeing much for a smallish holdout centre that wants 3 million a year,

Source? We've not heard anything about Comrie asking for 3 mil here in Edmonton.


the Oilers created this mess with the crazy bonuses that gave him 10 mill the last 3 years...now they'll have to live with it and either sign him for close to what he wants or let him sit until the next CBA!

Yeah. I can't argue with this one whatsoever.

Generally talented smaller players are second line centers but their is exceptions to the rule in Koivu, Peca, Sakic, Yzerman, and Weight all of them are legitamate first line centers who are under 6ft. I will agree that I think Comrie is destined to be a really good 2nd line centre on one of the stronger teams and I do believe fairly consistent 70-80 point production is well within his reach. To say that a talented player like him is not in demand is ludicrous any player who can put the puck in the net like he can is in demand and claiming he is only worth a second round pick is extremely laughable.I will be the first to agree Marleau > Comrie but you give far to little credit to Comrie and has better trade value than u imply.

Generally talented smaller players are second line centers but their is exceptions to the rule in Koivu, Peca, Sakic, Yzerman, and Weight all of them are legitamate first line centers who are under 6ft. I will agree that I think Comrie is destined to be a really good 2nd line centre on one of the stronger teams and I do believe fairly consistent 70-80 point production is well within his reach. To say that a talented player like him is not in demand is ludicrous any player who can put the puck in the net like he can is in demand and claiming he is only worth a second round pick is extremely laughable.I will be the first to agree Marleau > Comrie but you give far to little credit to Comrie and has better trade value than u imply.
Marc Savard anyone?
Before you jump all over me...check out the numbers!Savard's aren't a whole lot off from Comrie's.
But the biggest point is he's a holdout and apparently asked for a trade...something GM's don't like!

Marc Savard anyone?
Before you jump all over me...check out the numbers!Savard's aren't a whole lot off from Comrie's.
But the biggest point is he's a holdout and apparently asked for a trade...something GM's don't like!
I don't know I just think he want's the trade and is just holding out as a means to get it could be wrong just speculation of course.

Here is why San Jose NEVER does this deal.

One they are rebuilding and cutting costs. Smith isn't very young anymore, nor is he all that cheap. Comrie wants big money, thus he also doesn't fit into sharks plans.

Look what happened last year when Nabokov help out ? that was about money, and that is what comrie wants more off. Aint gonna happen.

Let alone taking who is arguably the franchise player in Marleau and basically handing him to the OIL. Let alone Stuart on top of it ? Ouch.

In fact I doubt San Jose takes Comrie AND smith for Marleau.

Its a nice sentiment for oilers fans to dream about the two sharks kids lighting the lamp in Alberta, but its gonna take alot more than a holdout and a vet to get it done.

If they substitute hmm
Hemsky and Brewer for Marleau and Stuart I think the sharks still say no.

Source? We've not heard anything about Comrie asking for 3 mil here in Edmonton.
Just media rumblings,but Comrie made what?3.5 in bonuses last year and now he's expected to take a 10% raise of his guarantee (1.2) without the ability to make the same as last year?
I certainly would be miffed if my boss told me to take a 300% wage cut...even if he overpaid me in the first place.
Like i said,Lowe created the mess with a retarded contract in the first place,one should question his GM skills!!

Just media rumblings,but Comrie made what?3.5 in bonuses last year and now he's expected to take a 10% raise of his guarantee (1.2) without the ability to make the same as last year?
I certainly would be miffed if my boss told me to take a 300% wage cut...even if he overpaid me in the first place.
Like i said,Lowe created the mess with a retarded contract in the first place,one should question his GM skills!!

Actually i think the loophole in the CBA created this mess. The oilers were held at gunpoint by comrie either they gave hime the Joe thornton bonus laden contract or he became a UFA. The fact that Comrie actually made that contract pay is what caused the problem.

Actually i think the loophole in the CBA created this mess. The oilers were held at gunpoint by comrie either they gave hime the Joe thornton bonus laden contract or he became a UFA. The fact that Comrie actually made that contract pay is what caused the problem.
I realize this,but what GM would give a midget drafted #91 overall the same contract that a monster like Thornton drafted #1 overall got? ...big difference...pardon the pun.

I think Winter got Lowe drunk or stoned the day he convinced him that Comrie deserved bonuses reserved for top 2-3 draftpicks.

Winter:have a hoot Kev and i'll tell you what we need
Lowe: well...maybe just one
Winter:Kev,Comrie just scored 79 points in 37 games with Kootenay,those are big numbers bud,you got real luckey getting this guy in the 3rd round,if he goes back in the draft he'll go #1 for sure!
Lowe: He was an overaged player putting up those numbers
Winter: Kev..buddy,we need more money,Mike can make a million a year at the Brick selling sofa's for his father...final offer,he needs 3-4 mil like Thornton
Lowe: Damn,i forgot about his dads money...deal :D

I think Winter got Lowe drunk or stoned the day he convinced him that Comrie deserved bonuses reserved for top 2-3 draftpicks.
Sigh.. as was mentioned 2 posts ago, Lowe had no choice.. either give him the bonuses (everyone agrees he didn't deserve the kinda incentives a top 5 pick gets) or let a potential star walk away for nothing. I also disagree that his stock has fallen that greatly because he is holding out.. i would agree with this if he was asking for big bucks but he is asking for under $3 million. K-Lowe and Comrie are supposedly still about a million off (as mentioned in the Edmonton Journal countless times) and Lowe is supposedly offering him around $1.2 - $1.6 million. Almost any team in the league can afford to pay that salary.. most GM's will realize that Lowe is somewhat lowballing Mike and thus their opinion of his value won't lower as much as what many posters seem to believe. Comrie's value is still extremely high and almost any team in the NHL would likely love to have him in their lineup!

Marc Savard anyone?
Before you jump all over me...check out the numbers!Savard's aren't a whole lot off from Comrie's.
But the biggest point is he's a holdout and apparently asked for a trade...something GM's don't like!

savard's value was however absolutely demolished by a moron gm/coach combo that felt it profitable to sit him. instead of playing him and playing his ass hard and constantly showcasing his talent to the league, they dressed him, sat him, dressed him, sat him.. a completely different situation then comrie

As well, Savard was under contract- meaning that on nights when he wasn't being a disruption in the locker-room, he was being paid to sit in the pressbox. Comrie won't be in the locker-room or the pressbox, and he's not costing the Oilers a cent for the time being.

savard's value was however absolutely demolished by a moron gm/coach combo that felt it profitable to sit him. instead of playing him and playing his ass hard and constantly showcasing his talent to the league, they dressed him, sat him, dressed him, sat him.. a completely different situation then comrie
Very true indeed,at the time the "moron" coach was replacing Savard with Special Nieds and the "moron" GM was backing him.
When this crap was happening i predicted on another board that both will be fired because of the treatment of Savard and 90% laughed it off...low and behold!
As a matter of fact i said both will never see the NHL again in the same capacity...we'll see.
As for Comrie holding a gun to Lowes head,well for one the bonuses were far to easy to reach and personly i think he should have seen the greety character in him and the future problems...i bet other GM's see it now!

Winter:Kev,Comrie just scored 79 points in 37 games with Kootenay,those are big numbers bud,you got real luckey getting this guy in the 3rd round,if he goes back in the draft he'll go #1 for sure!

Comrie wasn't going back into the draft no matter what. He would have become an unrestricted free agent. Someone was going to offer Comrie that contract, so your argument goes downhill from there.

Also, I think there was another thread where some big name players were mentioned who made less on a contract than on their previous one.

As well, Savard was under contract- meaning that on nights when he wasn't being a disruption in the locker-room
Another misconception,the only problem in the dressing room was Gilbert,several teammates have come forward and said Savard was very well liked...including Captain Conroy.
Speaking of dressing room rumors...did you hear the one about Comrie.......oh never mind ;)

Speaking of dressing room rumors...did you hear the one about Comrie.......oh never mind ;)

i heard this rumor wasn't very big