Tucker is not expendable

It seems like whenever the topic of aquiring a defenceman comes up, everyone seems eager to send Tucker the other way.

I don't think that we can afford to trade Tucker. He is not expendable by any means. There are better ways we can aquire defencemen- JFJ just has to be creative.

Here's why Tucker is not expendable in my opinion.

1. He and Antropov are the only starting forwards under the age of 30.

2. Out of our top six forwards, Antropov, Roberts, Mogilny, Nieuwendyk and Nolan all have health issues to a certain degree. Do we really want Renberg and Reichel in top six roles?

3. Tucker was the second leading scorer during one of the Leafs best regular seasons ever.

4. He's extremely durable and rarely gets injured- unlike a lot of other guys on this team.

5. He can play LW, RW or C anywhere from the 1st line to the 4th line. We'll desperately need that flexibility when injuries strike. No one else on the Leafs is that versatile.

6. He can play both PP and PK.

7. He fights and hits and is the best agitator in the league.

8. He's a team player. He plays the role he's asked to and doesn't complain. Even Renberg *****ed and moaned last year when Quinn shifted him to LW for a few games.

9. He was one of our best players in the playoffs last year. Just ask Jeremey Roenick. Tucker also lead the team in shots on goal a couple games.

10. He's a proven winner. Just look at his three Memorial Cups.

It seems like whenever the topic of aquiring a defenceman comes up, everyone seems eager to send Tucker the other way.

I don't think that we can afford to trade Tucker. He is not expendable by any means. There are better ways we can aquire defencemen- JFJ just has to be creative.

Here's why Tucker is not expendable in my opinion.

1. He and Antropov are the only starting forwards under the age of 30.

2. Out of our top six forwards, Antropov, Roberts, Mogilny, Nieuwendyk and Nolan all have health issues to a certain degree. Do we really want Renberg and Reichel in top six roles?

3. Tucker was the second leading scorer during one of the Leafs best regular seasons ever.

4. He's extremely durable and rarely gets injured- unlike a lot of other guys on this team.

5. He can play LW, RW or C anywhere from the 1st line to the 4th line. We'll desperately need that flexibility when injuries strike. No one else on the Leafs is that versatile.

6. He can play both PP and PK.

7. He fights and hits and is the best agitator in the league.

8. He's a team player. He plays the role he's asked to and doesn't complain. Even Renberg *****ed and moaned last year when Quinn shifted him to LW for a few games.

9. He was one of our best players in the playoffs last year. Just ask Jeremey Roenick. Tucker also lead the team in shots on goal a couple games.

10. He's a proven winner. Just look at his three Memorial Cups.

All valid and fair points. I agree with your concerns and like Bill watters said, if we lose Tucker, we lose a lot of heart on this team.

I think the primary reason why Tucker is included in so many trade proposals is for the reasons mentioned above - he's a valued commodity around the league. He's affordable and in the prime of his career. I would hate to lose a guy who wears his heart on his shoulder, but at the same time, this team has major defensive issues to address. IF you want something, you have to give up something. You can't give up guys like Renberg or Reichel - their trade value is close to nil. Nolan, Mogilny, Sundin, Nieuwendyk, Antropov? Nah. Guys like Fitzgerald and green are too old and also have reduced trade values.

The only other guy who might have some value is Ponikarovsky, and he hasn't established himself yet.

And Im not too interested in dealing good prospects or high draft picks away at this point, for the type of dman we need.

Looking down the roster, Tucker is the guy you would see as the one with the highest trade value.

Who is expendable that has value?

It seems like whenever the topic of aquiring a defenceman comes up, everyone seems eager to send Tucker the other way.

I don't think that we can afford to trade Tucker. He is not expendable by any means. There are better ways we can aquire defencemen- JFJ just has to be creative.

Here's why Tucker is not expendable in my opinion.

1. He and Antropov are the only starting forwards under the age of 30.

2. Out of our top six forwards, Antropov, Roberts, Mogilny, Nieuwendyk and Nolan all have health issues to a certain degree. Do we really want Renberg and Reichel in top six roles?

3. Tucker was the second leading scorer during one of the Leafs best regular seasons ever.

4. He's extremely durable and rarely gets injured- unlike a lot of other guys on this team.

5. He can play LW, RW or C anywhere from the 1st line to the 4th line. We'll desperately need that flexibility when injuries strike. No one else on the Leafs is that versatile.

6. He can play both PP and PK.

7. He fights and hits and is the best agitator in the league.

8. He's a team player. He plays the role he's asked to and doesn't complain. Even Renberg *****ed and moaned last year when Quinn shifted him to LW for a few games.

9. He was one of our best players in the playoffs last year. Just ask Jeremey Roenick. Tucker also lead the team in shots on goal a couple games.

10. He's a proven winner. Just look at his three Memorial Cups.

I'm glad someone said this, because I've wanted to for a while and simply lacked the eloquence.

Tucker is, IMHO a big part of this team, and a big part of what this team stands for. He is necessary, and is a much better assest long-term than some aging, over-paid "big-name" defenceman who may or may not be happy about being traded to our team and may or may not give us an honest effort every night.

I'm glad someone said this, because I've wanted to for a while and simply lacked the eloquence.

Tucker is, IMHO a big part of this team, and a big part of what this team stands for. He is necessary, and is a much better assest long-term than some aging, over-paid "big-name" defenceman who may or may not be happy about being traded to our team and may or may not give us an honest effort every night.

yep and we'll make the playoffs and maybe win a round and then next summer talk again about what's needed to go all the way.

I love Tucker and all, I think he's one of the best 3rd liners in the NHL. Seriously though, if they were offered a good return for him in the form of a solid, hopefully youngish defensman then I would be pissed at Leaf management if they *didn't* make that trade.

yep and we'll make the playoffs and maybe win a round and then next summer talk again about what's needed to go all the way.

You really think Zhitnik going through the motions on our 2nd pairing for a year and AHLers on our 4th line is a sure-fire plan to win the cup?

If Tucker is our only expendable assest, we can't trade our way into serious cup contention. Can't be done. But we can hang onto Tucker and enter the post CBA world with one of the best and most versitle 3rd liners in the league as one of our building blocks.

Look, I don't know, I'm an emotional guy, so maybe my response is purely emotional; I'm not pretending different. But I just can't help but believe Tucker is more valuable as a player than as a bargaining chip. Just one guy's opinion, but I can't imagine anyone looking back 3 years from now and thinking what a good move it was to trade away Tucker to rent a past-prime defenseman for a year. Maybe I'm being silly or naive here, but I really consider Tucker part of our forward core, and I can't agree with the idea of trading him away so that our defense can look slightly better for one year, maybe.

You really think Zhitnik going through the motions on our 2nd pairing for a year and AHLers on our 4th line is a sure-fire plan to win the cup?

If Tucker is our only expendable assest, we can't trade our way into serious cup contention. Can't be done. But we can hang onto Tucker and enter the post CBA world with one of the best and most versitle 3rd liners in the league as one of our building blocks.

Look, I don't know, I'm an emotional guy, so maybe my response is purely emotional; I'm not pretending different. But I just can't help but believe Tucker is more valuable as a player than as a bargaining chip. Just one guy's opinion, but I can't imagine anyone looking back 3 years from now and thinking what a good move it was to trade away Tucker to rent a past-prime defenseman for a year. Maybe I'm being silly or naive here, but I really consider Tucker part of our forward core, and I can't agree with the idea of trading him away so that our defense can look slightly better for one year, maybe.

I agree Zhitnik won't put us over the top but someone like him is a start and we can always pick up depth forwards later in the season if needed.

If we are looking to build the future around a third liner we're in big trouble and the flip side of your statement, I can't really see 3 years from now anyone thinking what a great move it was to keep him.

I agree, let's keep him around.
I don't see how we'd have a problem aquiring a first pairing vet towards the deadline for Brendan Bell and say a 3rd.

I agree, let's keep him around.
I don't see how we'd have a problem aquiring a first pairing vet towards the deadline for Brendan Bell and say a 3rd.

Won't make a difference at the deadline if we are out of contention.

Won't make a difference at the deadline if we are out of contention.

I promise we won't be out of contention.

Won't make a difference at the deadline if we are out of contention.

We have the best forwards in the East and the 2nd best goalie. That should be more than enough to get us in.
We have next to no chance to overcome Ottawa for first, even if we add a couple of dmen now. So our positioning is more or less set.
Finally, we have some young talent on D that it'd be great to see with some ice time. It's the playoffs where we want the vets on D.

I agree, let's keep him around.
I don't see how we'd have a problem aquiring a first pairing vet towards the deadline for Brendan Bell and say a 3rd.


I dont know about anyone else, but I would much rather see Bell remain a Leaf than Tucker. Actually I would rather see them both remain Leafs, but if I had to choose it would be Bell.

People, people, people.

About 10 years ago, who was the most "indispensable" Leaf according to these guidelines?

Wendel Clark

Remember?

That trade worked out alright. You have to give to get.

I dont know about anyone else, but I would much rather see Bell remain a Leaf than Tucker. Actually I would rather see them both remain Leafs, but if I had to choose it would be Bell.

Bell's value is high right now, coming of his MVP, and Tucker's is low, coming off a bad season.
We have a lot of young talented D, and very few forwards.
Bell is probably our 3rd best defensive prospect, behind Carlo and Max. Then we have a plethora of dmen right behind Bell.

We need to deal from the position of strength, and that's our strength. I feel Bell is the best expandable commodity of the bunch, as he'd bring back good value, and his loss won't be big to the organization.

I know Bell dearly wants to play for the Leafs, but I think he should definately be the guy who's dealt.

People, people, people.

About 10 years ago, who was the most "indispensable" Leaf according to these guidelines?

Wendel Clark

Remember?

That trade worked out alright. You have to give to get.

:handclap: Amen :handclap:

Im glad someone understands.

Bell's value is high right now, coming of his MVP, and Tucker's is low, coming off a bad season.
We have a lot of young talented D, and very few forwards.
Bell is probably our 3rd best defensive prospect, behind Carlo and Max. Then we have a plethora of dmen right behind Bell.

We need to deal from the position of strength, and that's our strength. I feel Bell is the best expandable commodity of the bunch, as he'd bring back good value, and his loss won't be big to the organization.

I know Bell dearly wants to play for the Leafs, but I think he should definately be the guy who's dealt.


That's certainly one way of looking at it. But at the age those prospects are at, it's far from set in stone which one is going to end up being better than the others.

Basically I wouldnt be totally against trading one of our d-man prospects, but right now I would keep them over a guy like Tucker who while valuable and a nice guy to have on your team, is not a top-6 forward. All of those prospects have a pretty good chance of one day surpassing him in value. A good enough chance that Id deal Tucker before them.

People, people, people.

About 10 years ago, who was the most "indispensable" Leaf according to these guidelines?

Wendel Clark

Remember?

That trade worked out alright. You have to give to get.

That's a questionable ananolgy because that trade was made with the future in mind. Trading Clark made us a worse team in the short term.

That's certainly one way of looking at it. But at the age those prospects are at, it's far from set in stone which one is going to end up being better than the others.

Basically I wouldnt be totally against trading one of our d-man prospects, but right now I would keep them over a guy like Tucker who while valuable and a nice guy to have on your team, is not a top-6 forward. All of those prospects have a pretty good chance of one day surpassing him in value. A good enough chance that Id deal Tucker before them.

The thing is we don't even know what we have on defence right now.

- McCabe might regain his form from 2 years ago.
- Jackman might become a #3 guy or he might remain a #6 guy.
- Kondratiev might contribute this year or he might not.
- Berg might improve this year or he might regress.
- Hedin might thrive in North America or he might struggle.
- Who knows how Marchment and Pushor will play.

I don't think it would be wise to trade an extremely valuable asset like Tucker until we get these questions answered.

After we see how our young defence is performing, we'll be in a better situation to judge what we have and what we need.

We have IMO, 10 defensive prospects who stand a resonable chance of playing in the NHL; Cola, Bell, Kondratiev, Hedin, Harrison, Kelly, Kronvall, Turon, White and Doherty. Not to mention guys like; Chartier, Seikola, D'Amour and Marsh.

I realize they won't all pan out, but somewhere along the line, a couple of them are going to have to be moved.

Once we see how they are performing this year, create a package of d-men and a draft pick to aquire a proven "young veteran" who is still on the upswing of his career.

IMO, the key is to wait and see what we have, then make the deal. With the abundance of young d-men we have, I'm certain there will be a trade to make.

This to me would be preferable than just wasting Tucker now, then starting the season with a bunch of unanswered questions on defence.

tucker's not expendable, but he has good market value.
he's one of the few players other teams have interest in, because he's relatively cheap and under 30.

so when a trade rumor comes up, his name is almost always going to be involved, because they're not going to trade antropov.

The thing is we don't even know what we have on defence right now.

- McCabe might regain his form from 2 years ago.
- Jackman might become a #3 guy or he might remain a #6 guy.
- Kondratiev might contribute this year or he might not.
- Berg might improve this year or he might regress.
- Hedin might thrive in North America or he might struggle.
- Who knows how Marchment and Pushor will play.

I don't think it would be wise to trade an extremely valuable asset like Tucker until we get these questions answered.

After we see how our young defence is performing, we'll be in a better situation to judge what we have and what we need.

We have IMO, 10 defensive prospects who stand a resonable chance of playing in the NHL; Cola, Bell, Kondratiev, Hedin, Harrison, Kelly, Kronvall, Turon, White and Doherty. Not to mention guys like; Chartier, Seikola, D'Amour and Marsh.

I realize they won't all pan out, but somewhere along the line, a couple of them are going to have to be moved.

Once we see how they are performing this year, create a package of d-men and a draft pick to aquire a proven "young veteran" who is still on the upswing of his career.

IMO, the key is to wait and see what we have, then make the deal. With the abundance of young d-men we have, I'm certain there will be a trade to make.

This to me would be preferable than just wasting Tucker now, then starting the season with a bunch of unanswered questions on defence.

the way Tucker's preformance has plummeted since his one good season if we wait too much longer he won't have the value needed for a good return

That's a questionable ananolgy because that trade was made with the future in mind. Trading Clark made us a worse team in the short term.

Hard to say, because the first season after the trade was shortened by the work stoppage...but they traded a player at the top of his game (Wendel had scored 46 the year before), the captain and emotional leader, in order to improve an area they needed - youth, pure offensive ability and forward size (Wendel was many things but he was never big).

The analogy is to the argument that Tucker is indispensable because of his *intangibles*. I love Tucker, but if you want to GIVE, you have to GET.

Imagine you're the Sabres or Islanders and the Leafs are looking for a defenceman. Who interests you on the Leafs? Sundin (maybe, probably not at his salary), Mogilny, Antropov, Tucker, McCabe, Kaberle, Belfour and the prospects.

Tucker is the only Leaf that makes RATIONAL SENSE to be traded TO IMPROVE ELSEWHERE.

I agree with Sluggo on this.

I don't agree on his argument that Tucker and Berg or Green or Pilar or whoever would get us Hamrlik.

"Bell's value is high right now, coming of his MVP, and Tucker's is low, coming off a bad season"

But what happens if you trade Bell and Colaiacovo never makes the NHL? Or Kondratiev and Colaiacovo are only ever #5 and #6? Its to early to trade those 19 year olds, in a year or two is the time to trade one of them if the Leafs can afford it. Hedin and Pilar have some value, but would have to be packaged with someone like Tucker.

"- McCabe might regain his form from 2 years ago.
- Jackman might become a #3 guy or he might remain a #6 guy.
- Kondratiev might contribute this year or he might not.
- Berg might improve this year or he might regress.
- Hedin might thrive in North America or he might struggle.
- Who knows how Marchment and Pushor will play"

Still missing a #1 guy and good, vet. leader on the defense, and no I don't think Marchment fits that role at all. IF the Leafs are serious about going for the cup this year they have to get that #1 guy, every cup winning team in the last ten years or so (probably longer) has one, and the Leafs don't. Tucker is the onle guy you can realistly move to get that player. You can't move Mogilny or Antropov if your planning to win now. Renberg, Domi, Reichel and Fitzgerald won't get you the player you need. And (as Leaf_army wants to do) trading away the good young depth players (hes mentioned trading Jackman, Hedin and Pilar if they have good years) doesn't get htem anywhere, they get the #1 guy but lose their depth. Jackman is an untouchable right now and neither Hedin and/or Pilar will get the caliber of D-man the Leafs need. Unless Ferguson plans to blow up the Leafs and build for the future theres no one else on the roster who is expendable and who has trade value - its got to be Tucker (and again, realistly, when/if they do something liek this it will be a package with Tucker as the center piece).

"I don't agree on his argument that Tucker and Berg or Green or Pilar or whoever would get us Hamrlik"

Thats just the trade that was talked about at the draft, there are a lot of deals that are talked about and happen that don't make sense to me (and other fans) that doesn't stop them from happening.

Still missing a #1 guy and good, vet. leader on the defense, and no I don't think Marchment fits that role at all. IF the Leafs are serious about going for the cup this year they have to get that #1 guy, every cup winning team in the last ten years or so (probably longer) has one, and the Leafs don't. Tucker is the onle guy you can realistly move to get that player. You can't move Mogilny or Antropov if your planning to win now. Renberg, Domi, Reichel and Fitzgerald won't get you the player you need. And (as Leaf_army wants to do) trading away the good young depth players (hes mentioned trading Jackman, Hedin and Pilar if they have good years) doesn't get htem anywhere, they get the #1 guy but lose their depth. Jackman is an untouchable right now and neither Hedin and/or Pilar will get the caliber of D-man the Leafs need. Unless Ferguson plans to blow up the Leafs and build for the future theres no one else on the roster who is expendable and who has trade value - its got to be Tucker (and again, realistly, when/if they do something liek this it will be a package with Tucker as the center piece).


As much as I've been praising Tucker in this thread, there is NO WAY we're going to get a #1 defenceman for Tucker- even in a package. Get that out of your head right now.

If we can even find a #1 that's available, Antropov and Colaiacovo are going the other way along with a 1st round pick. Might as well get used to it.

But I want to know Sluggo, what is your definition of a #1 defenceman?

Oilers, Islanders and the Sabers were all willing to give up a #1 d-man for a package with Tucker as the center piece, so yes the Leafs can get make that kind of trade.

I don't think it is a bad idea at all...

I also think that alone Berg does not have enough value by himself to trade him and improve in another area of the Team unless he was combined with another player.....The most tradeable/& expendable player would be Tucker.. Salary and Age wise...

I also think that Buffalo and Zhitnik is the way to go.. They need to get Satan & Mckee signed and reducing Salary by taking on Tucker & Berg would help that situation... So its a good fit for both teams...

Then Toronto's Defense would have a big 3 of

Zhitnik
McCabe
Kaberle

With 3 developing youngsters at #4 , #5 & #6

Ric Jackman
Carlo Colaiacovo
Max Kondratiev

and the grizzled vet Marchment at the 7th position when he is not suspended..

Also Tucker who is having a good camp, roster spot can be given to a younger player at forward ie. Matty Stajan or Poni Boy ...because after this season many Leaf forward vets will not be returning particularly if there is a lockout so some young blood needs to be brought in.. as well as Vets such as Roberts and Nieuwendyk would be great for developement of a young player Stajan..

I would also promote Tellqvist permanently at Kidd's expense and groom him for Belfours position in the Future..

So after the Zhitnik trade

That would leave the Roster as follows....

Mikael Renberg....Mats Sundin..........Owen Nolan
Gary Roberts......Joe Nieuwendyk......Matt Stajan
A Ponikarovsky....Nik Antropov.........Alexander Mogilny
Travis Green.......Robert Reichel.......Tie Domi

Tomas Kaberle........Maxim Kondratiev
Bryan McCabe........Ric Jackman
Alexei Zhitnik.........Carlo Colaiacovo
Bryan Marchment

Eddie Belfour
Mikael Tellqvist

with extras Fitzgerald & Belak as situationl players..

So I think Tucker & Berg would fit better on someone else's team and give the kids a chance while still improving the Defense overall by the addition of Zhitnik..

The Messenger....

Oilers, Islanders and the Sabers were all willing to give up a #1 d-man for a package with Tucker as the center piece, so yes the Leafs can get make that kind of trade.

You have this way of pulling up phoney facts to back up your arguments but I have yet to see you prove that any of those teams would have given up a #1 d-man for Tucker. Even in a package.

Like I said before #1 defenceman = Antropov, Colaiacovo and 1st round pick. But I still want to know what your definition of a #1 defenceman is.

(And no, Zhitnik is still not a #1 defenceman)

You have this way of pulling up phoney facts to back up your arguments but I have yet to see you prove that any of those teams would have given up a #1 d-man for Tucker. Even in a package.

Like I said before #1 defenceman = Antropov, Colaiacovo and 1st round pick. But I still want to know what your definition of a #1 defenceman is.

(And no, Zhitnik is still not a #1 defenceman)

I agree ...No one is willing to trade #1's and there are so few of them out there...

& No Zhitnik might not be a #1 by our standards, but that is the kind of Dman that can play #1 minutes, run a PP and be had because of his Salary and Age be had for a package that might include Tucker as the Focal point...

Like I said before #1 defenceman = Antropov, Colaiacovo and 1st round pick. But I still want to know what your definition of a #1 defenceman is.

(And no, Zhitnik is still not a #1 defenceman)

Not to rehash old discussions, but look, if Zhitnik is not a #1 defenseman then why even bother talking about it because the few #1 d-man that would exist (ie Lidstrom, Blake, Pronger, etc) will *never* *never* be traded no matter what the Leafs might offer up. Forget Antropov + Cola + 1st, there is no package the Leafs, or any other team for that matter, could put together that would pry any of those players from their current teams.

I guess my definition of a "#1 d-man" is a little broader than yours, but if the Leafs have an opportunity to acquire a guy like Zhitnik without paying through the nose for him they should be all over it.

Leaf_army - start listening to the radio and reading papers, thenyou'll hear about these possible deals as well. Plus we don't know who is on trading block, and who will get on the block later int he year when teams are out of the playoffs.

Zhitnik is a #1 D-man and would be for the Leafs. He can play over 25 minutes a game (hes not slowing down), he can produce good offensive numbers, hes very realiable in his own end, can play physical (though he's not a Rob Blake or anything) - he fits the mould of a #1 guy perfectly.

Zhitnik-McCabe
Kaberle-Kondratiev
Marchment-Jackman

That would be the best defensive line up for the Leafs if they got Zhitnik. If Kondratiev doesn't make the NHL put Jackman in this spot and Hedin/Pilar with Marchment.

Leaf_army - start listening to the radio and reading papers, thenyou'll hear about these possible deals as well. Plus we don't know who is on trading block, and who will get on the block later int he year when teams are out of the playoffs.

Zhitnik is a #1 D-man and would be for the Leafs. He can play over 25 minutes a game (hes not slowing down), he can produce good offensive numbers, hes very realiable in his own end, can play physical (though he's not a Rob Blake or anything) - he fits the mould of a #1 guy perfectly.

Zhitnik-McCabe
Kaberle-Kondratiev
Marchment-Jackman

That would be the best defensive line up for the Leafs if they got Zhitnik. If Kondratiev doesn't make the NHL put Jackman in this spot and Hedin/Pilar with Marchment.

I don't want to get into one of these stupid arguments again.

No way would Zhitnik be our #1 defenceman. But if you want to keep thinking that go right ahead.

Bottom line is that we can't trade Tucker for a #1 guy. Plain and simple-it's not going to happen.

Tucker would get us a #3 guy and IMO there are smarter ways of aquiring a #3 guy than to trade Darcy.

Army - THREE (3) teams were willing to give upa #1 guy (and yes, Zhitnik is a #1 guy - hes got good offense, good defenese, phsyical, leadership etc....) for a package with Tucker as the Center piece. I know you have a hard on for Tucker and would rather keep him then trade him and improve the team, but they can get what they need for him, and if they get the oppertunity again they should take it.

I'm sory, but I've looked and looked and the only trade rumours that were swirling in the media surrounding tucker were last year prior to the deadline involving Niinimaa and the other being the talks about the Leafs moving him to a Western conference team to get Corson to waive his no trade. The first one was nixed because the Oilers wanted Antropov and the second was merely speculation on the part of the media during the whole Corson fiasco. Other than those all I've found is rumours posted on message boards which hold zero credibility. If it was reported on the radio then it's all a matter of who heard and who didn't but it certainly wasn't printed as media outlets archive their material on the net. The Niinimaa one can be found here for example and is dated prior to the deadline:

http://www.canoe.ca/Slam030311/col_strachan-sun.html

Reported by Strachan none the less.

If you can find any others Sluggo feel free to post them.

I'm sory, but I've looked and looked and the only trade rumours that were swirling in the media surrounding tucker were last year prior to the deadline involving Niinimaa and the other being the talks about the Leafs moving him to a Western conference team to get Corson to waive his no trade. The first one was nixed because the Oilers wanted Antropov and the second was merely speculation on the part of the media during the whole Corson fiasco. Other than those all I've found is rumours posted on message boards which hold zero credibility. If it was reported on the radio then it's all a matter of who heard and who didn't but it certainly wasn't printed as media outlets archive their material on the net. The Niinimaa one can be found here for example and is dated prior to the deadline:

http://www.canoe.ca/Slam030311/col_strachan-sun.html

Reported by Strachan none the less.

If you can find any others Sluggo feel free to post them.

To highlight the relevant quote:

The Leafs have considered sending Tucker to the team that provided last night's opposition, the Edmonton Oilers, as part of a package that would send defenceman Janne Niinimaa the other way.
But the Oilers, like so many teams in the league, have their eye on a different Leaf altogether. They want Nik Antropov for Niinimaa.

To highlight the relevant quote:

The Leafs have considered sending Tucker to the team that provided last night's opposition, the Edmonton Oilers, as part of a package that would send defenceman Janne Niinimaa the other way.
But the Oilers, like so many teams in the league, have their eye on a different Leaf altogether. They want Nik Antropov for Niinimaa.


That is one of the CONS of having Antropov. Every team wants him.....

The only team that I really want him to play for is Toronto.He is one of our only guys who can take a fight and score goals.Domi barely scores goals,nevermind fighting.He's getting to old.Gary is another one that can score goals,but dosen't really fight because,like Domi,he is just too old.

The only team that I really want him to play for is Toronto.He is one of our only guys who can take a fight and score goals.Domi barely scores goals,nevermind fighting.He's getting to old.Gary is another one that can score goals,but dosen't really fight because,like Domi,he is just too old.

Wow. I started this thread over a year ago.

What made you bring it back up now?

Damn. Please trade Tucker back to the Habs if you ever have to deal him. I know the Leafs would never do that but the Habs gaffed big time dealing Darcy back in 1998.

Wow. I started this thread over a year ago.

What made you bring it back up now?


:lol

I read the whole thread thinking it was new. I was like what is everyone talking about? Tucker trade rumors in the middle of a ******* lockout.

I best start looking at post dates.

Wow. I started this thread over a year ago.

What made you bring it back up now?


He misses sluggo :bonk: :deadhorse

He misses sluggo :bonk: :deadhorse

Me too :(

Wow. I started this thread over a year ago.

What made you bring it back up now?
I didn't think you made this thread a year ago.I thought it was new.
:lol

That is one of the CONS of having Antropov. Every team wants him.....

...except us...

People, people, people.

About 10 years ago, who was the most "indispensable" Leaf according to these guidelines?

Wendel Clark

Remember?

That trade worked out alright. You have to give to get.

Wendel Clark is the most overrated player ever to wear the Leaf Jersey.
His suicide passes used to drive me nuts, and as a former defenceman you would think his defensive positioning would have been better, but no, we'd float araounf the blue line and wait for an outlet pass ...and after his third year his body was so devestated he could no longer play at the level most people remember him at.

I don't think Tucker is going anywhere, but he is hardly irreplacable, or even vital for that matter. He's a smallish agitator who can score 20 goals and has a cheap contract. On a good to elite team he is a 3rd liner.

This is not the sort of player you look at and say "wow, this guy is crucial, no way are we trading him".

:lol

I read the whole thread thinking it was new. I was like what is everyone talking about? Tucker trade rumors in the middle of a ******* lockout.

I best start looking at post dates.
I just noticed that too.. thought you people forgot we traded Kondratiev, and that we got Leetch.. And how much Jackman screwed up.

Alright... I hate to sound dumb here, but I must be missing something, because, unless I'm very much mistaken, we traded Jackman to Pitsburg for Berehouskey (however his name is spelt), which I thought was a pretty bad trade for us, since Berehouskey almost never played. Did I miss Jackmans' return?

One more thing... would Tie Domi have good trade value right now? I realize hes not thought of as one of the best players in the league, but anyone who watched the Leafs in the playoffs should realize that this guy has amazing speed, skill, and toughness when he goes for it. He was skating circles around everyone else on the ice... how much does this affect his trade value?

Alright... I hate to sound dumb here, but I must be missing something, because, unless I'm very much mistaken, we traded Jackman to Pitsburg for Berehouskey (however his name is spelt), which I thought was a pretty bad trade for us, since Berehouskey almost never played. Did I miss Jackmans' return?

One more thing... would Tie Domi have good trade value right now? I realize hes not thought of as one of the best players in the league, but anyone who watched the Leafs in the playoffs should realize that this guy has amazing speed, skill, and toughness when he goes for it. He was skating circles around everyone else on the ice... how much does this affect his trade value?

you missed the part about how this thread started a year ago.

you missed the part about how this thread started a year ago.
That explains alot :)

Yeah old topics are funny allthough I think Tucker is expendable, ihe's a damn good player and I would miss him a lot if we traded him, but like someone said gotta give to get.

ok now lets kill this thread!! argghh

One more thing... would Tie Domi have good trade value right now?

Virtually no trade value. I love Domi, and while he is one of the top two enforcers in the NHL IMHO he's also extremely highly paid for an enforcer. Not many teams can afford 2M+ for an enforcer especially not one that's 35yrs old and near retirement.

Enforcers with some degree of skill are a rarety, but for all his skill he's still only a 3rd liner.

An early mid rounder is unfortunately about all we'd get... and is value to the Leafs is definitely more then a mid round draft pick.