Potential World Cup Rosters

Rob
09-24-2003, 12:11 PM
Would like to read predicitions for different countries in the tournament.

For Canada, my guess is the goaltending will be made up of Brodeur, Giguere, and Luongo.

Haven't made up my mind for the rest of the team. I don't expect Lindros or Fleury to be back on the team. I think Carter and Redden have a shot this time around.

I guess we will have to see how the first half of the season goes. At least 18 players must be named to the roster by March.

Raimo Sillanpää
09-25-2003, 08:38 PM
My tentative prediction for Team Finland

1 S Koivu - Captain
2 T Selänne -Assistant
3 J Lehtinen
4 N Kapanen
5 A Miettinen
6 P Nurminen - G (probably #1)
7 J Hurme / J Markkanen? (one of the two, backup G)
8 O Väänänen
9 J Niinimaa
10 S Kapanen
11 J Pitkänen
12 T Numminen - Assistant
13 O Jokinen
14 T Ruutu
15 J Ruutu
16 N Hagman / V Nieminen / M Eloranta (one of..for 3rd/4th line role)
17 J Rita / R Hahl /other who performs well in 3rd/4th line capacity
18 K Timonen

fighting for spot:
S Salo
T Lydman
T Kallio
A Berg
T Santala
J Laukkanen

Note:
K Lehtonen (either going for experience(#3 goalie), or he's already proven himself and is #1 Goalie)

not ready yet:
Bergenheim
Pihlman
Toivonen

No hope:
Toskala
Kiprusoff
Lumme
Karalahti
Peltonen

Canada Girl
09-26-2003, 09:52 AM
Would like to read predicitions for different countries in the tournament.

For Canada, my guess is the goaltending will be made up of Brodeur, Giguere, and Luongo.

Haven't made up my mind for the rest of the team. I don't expect Lindros or Fleury to be back on the team. I think Carter and Redden have a shot this time around.

I guess we will have to see how the first half of the season goes. At least 18 players must be named to the roster by March.

I predict that these will be some of the players included on Canada's roster:
Forwards:
Bertuzzi, THornton, Heatley, Lecavalier, Kariya, Spezza, Sakic, Glen Murray, Ryan Smyth, Owen Nolan, Iginla, Jason Allison, Gagne, maybe Peca or Comrie.
Defence:
Redden, Brewer, Blake, Pronger (if healthy), Niedermayer, Jovanovski, Jackman, Bouwmeester
Obviously they won't all make it but that gives something of an idea. Your goaltending looks about right too, provided Giguere keeps it up this year. Otherwise maybe Lalime, Turco, or Theodore will make it.

Rob
09-26-2003, 12:15 PM
After much pondering here is my Team Canada roster:

C- Lemieux, Sakic, Thornton, Lecavalier, Lindros (5th center)

LW- Kariya, Smyth, Bertuzzi, Shanahan

RW- Iginla, Heatley, St.Louis, Carter

D- MacInnis, Blake, Morris, Jovanovski, Redden, Niedermayer, Pronger

G- Brodeur, Giguere, Luongo

First I just want to say that this is very tentative seeing as we have plenty of hockey to play. There are a few players on this list who are almosted guarenteed of making the team like Thornton, Kariya, Iginla, MacInnis, Niedermayer, Sakic and Lemieux (if he decides to play)
I think there are players like Carter, Jovanovski, St.Louis, and Lindros are going to be watched very closely.

Center: I know what you're thinking. Why Lindros and where is Yzerman? I actually surprised myself by including Lindros. I know his numbers were bad last year but I still feel he has an incredible amount of potential. I just feel that he fits in great as a 5th line center. He is a big forward who Team Canada can use in front of the net on power plays, and he can step in and play the wing if required. He also has quite a bit of experience playing international hockey, even though he did not live up to expectations. As for Yzerman, I'm just afraid that father time has caught up with him. With the exception of Lindros would you replace any of my other centers with Yzerman? Both Lindros and Yzerman are going to have to have good years to make the squad. There are also a few others good centers out there with a shot.

Left Wing: Pretty straight forward. I think Kariya, Bertuzzi and Smyth are a lock. If this was being played on the Olympic ice surface I would be a little more unsure of Shanahan but his physical presence will be needed on the NA ice surface. His inclusion might depend on the type of year he is having.

Right Wing: Picking the wingers was a little more difficult. Everyone agrees Iginla is a lock and probably Heatly as well. St.Louis impressed a lot of people last season. He is very very fast and an excellent playmaker. This makes up for his lack of size. However, it will all depend on how well he plays this season. To see whether or not he is for real. I went with Carter because I was really impressed by his performance at last years World Championships. Like St.Louis, much will depend on how well he plays. There are a number of good right wingers out there who can replace them.

Defence- I feel that Canada's defence could be the best in the tournament. I only have two players who I am concerned about. Morris has excellent potential but we will have to see how well he plays this season. With regards to Pronger, I am concerned about how he will come back from his injury. Canada does have more capable defencemen but Pronger is a very tough guy to replace.

Goalies- Canada has a great problem that many teams wish they could have. I really believe that if my three choices for goaltending (Brodeur, Luongo, and Giguere) all were injured that Canada's goaltending would still be strong. They could be replaced with Belfour, Theodore, and Turco for example. I feel strong about Brodeur being on the team just because of his experience and success. Luongo won a gold medal at the World Championships last year for Canada. I also think he is going to be the 'next big thing'. I picked Giguere based on his perfromance in the playoffs last year. It is hard to overlook playoff MVP honors. I do wonder if the change in the size of the goaltenders equipment will effect his play any. I also feel that Marty Turco would be more than capable of jumping in to replace any of these guys. An excellent case can be made for him to be on the team.

Unfortunately 18 players have to be named to the roster by March. My guess is that the respective countries will probably name 5 D-men, 11 forwards, and 2 goalies. Doesn't leave a lot of room to see who gets hot in the playoffs. There will be a lot of pressure on the GM's to make the right decisions.

Canada Girl
09-26-2003, 07:52 PM
After much pondering here is my Team Canada roster:

C- Lemieux, Sakic, Thornton, Lecavalier, Lindros (5th center)

LW- Kariya, Smyth, Bertuzzi, Shanahan

RW- Iginla, Heatley, St.Louis, Carter

D- MacInnis, Blake, Morris, Jovanovski, Redden, Niedermayer, Pronger

G- Brodeur, Giguere, Luongo

...

Center: I know what you're thinking. Why Lindros and where is Yzerman? I actually surprised myself by including Lindros. I know his numbers were bad last year but I still feel he has an incredible amount of potential. I just feel that he fits in great as a 5th line center. He is a big forward who Team Canada can use in front of the net on power plays, and he can step in and play the wing if required. He also has quite a bit of experience playing international hockey, even though he did not live up to expectations. As for Yzerman, I'm just afraid that father time has caught up with him. With the exception of Lindros would you replace any of my other centers with Yzerman? Both Lindros and Yzerman are going to have to have good years to make the squad. There are also a few others good centers out there with a shot.

Left Wing: ...If this was being played on the Olympic ice surface I would be a little more unsure of Shanahan but his physical presence will be needed on the NA ice surface. His inclusion might depend on the type of year he is having.

Right Wing: ...St.Louis impressed a lot of people last season. He is very very fast and an excellent playmaker. This makes up for his lack of size. However, it will all depend on how well he plays this season. To see whether or not he is for real. I went with Carter because I was really impressed by his performance at last years World Championships. Like St.Louis, much will depend on how well he plays. There are a number of good right wingers out there who can replace them.
...
Goalies- ... I picked Giguere based on his perfromance in the playoffs last year. It is hard to overlook playoff MVP honors. I do wonder if the change in the size of the goaltenders equipment will effect his play any. I also feel that Marty Turco would be more than capable of jumping in to replace any of these guys. An excellent case can be made for him to be on the team.

Unfortunately 18 players have to be named to the roster by March. My guess is that the respective countries will probably name 5 D-men, 11 forwards, and 2 goalies. Doesn't leave a lot of room to see who gets hot in the playoffs. There will be a lot of pressure on the GM's to make the right decisions.

That's not too bad a roster but I wanted to point out a few things. First off, who knows if Mario will be healthy come this time next year? He'll be 39 I believe and may retire after this season.

I don't know if Shanahan (getting old) and Carter will be included either. True Carter was our hero in the World championships, but during the NHL season he tends to be 'spotty,' that is go on a hot streak and then go ten or twelve games without a single point. Also this isn't too important but Bertuzzi usually plays right wing.
I also think that they might want to get some young guys more experience playing int'l and therefore have Gagne or Spezza (what i've seen of him has been good!) on the roster. I also feel a guy like John Madden, great defensively, and the underrated Glen Murray (who plays well with Thornton on the Bruins), and maybe even Mike Peca (if uninjured) could make it. And IMO if he isn't still out with those 'post concussion symptoms' I strongly think Jason Allison could make the team. I don't think Yzerman will be on this team. I love the guy but sorry to say this he's old and has a bad knee. If Lindros isn't having a bad season and doesn't get another concussion :rolleyes: he might make it, but honestly I think that there are enough good centres for Canada that he might find it hard to get named to the team.

Al MacInnis isn't likely to be on D IMO as he is getting old and injury prone. IMO Brewer will almost definitely be on the team and either Jackman (Calder trophy for rookie of the year) or Bouwmeester (who was very impressive at worlds, winning the best defenceman award!) will be included for experience.

I seriously doubt that Belfour would be added to this roster. If Giguere isnt doing well in March (there is talk that he'll be this year's version of a post-Vezina and Hart Theodore) I hope to see Patrick Lalime (Ottawa) added to the roster as IMO he's a great goalie.

As you can see a lot depends on whether we can stay injury free, and what kind of seasons the players have. We'll just have to wait and see! :rolly:

Rob
09-27-2003, 08:08 AM
I can't believe I forgot all about Jay Bouwmeester. Especially after his great perfomance at the worlds. Yeah, I'd replace Morris with Bouwmeester. I still think MacInnis will be on the team. He has more points than any other Canadian defenceman. As for Brewer, I know he is popular but I haven't been overly impressed with him.

Hitman*
09-27-2003, 10:09 AM
Replace Morris with Bouwmeester??? Why would we do that? Yes he had a great WC, but ti is just the WC. He's not ready to be on team Canada yet. Redden will replace MacInnis, and it will be a toss up between Morris and Brewer for the 7th spot. Morris may have an edge as his game is better suited for the NHL ice.

Bouwmeester would have to have one hell of a year (like outscore both of them and improve his +/-), to be considered. We have no need to give 'experience' to ay of our defensemen. We have to send the BEST players, not players that deserve experience.

Waveburner
09-27-2003, 01:50 PM
Where is the love for Adam Foote?

D: Pronger, Blake, Foote, MacInnis?, Jovanovski, Redden, Niedermayer
Possibles: Morris, Brewer, Bouwmeester, Jackman, Stevens, Regehr

F: Sakic, Kariya, Iginla, Thornton, Bertuzzi, Lecavalier, Smyth, Heatley, Peca, Allison, Murray, Gagne
Possibles: Lemieux?, Nolan, Shanahan, Yzerman?, Lindros, St. Louis, Carter, Madden, Morrison, Richards, Comrie

G: Brodeur, Turco, Giguere

Rob
09-30-2003, 09:18 AM
Consider Heatley might be in prison during the World Cup, I think I will remove in from the list.

Canada Girl
09-30-2003, 10:08 AM
Consider Heatley might be in prison during the World Cup, I think I will remove in from the list.
I doubt he'll be in prison a year from now. He makes a lot of money, can afford good lawyers, will probably have a whole lotta community service or something. If he would be removed from the list I would think it would be because of a medical issue, I would bet he's more hurt than a broken jaw. I hope he gets better, I like Dany.

Youreallygotme
10-07-2003, 04:35 PM
since i always love to put things into lines, here goes my canadian team, with the tragic incident with heatley taken into consideration:

Bertuzzi-Thornton-Murray
Kariya-Sakic-Iginla
Gagne/smyth-Lecavalier/Allison-St. Louis/Nolan?
Shanahan-Peca-Madden
extra forward: lecavalier/Allison.

Peca makes it to be a defensive specialist, shutdown forward, and leader, ahead of more offensive players like comrie and richards. lecavalier and allison are both awesome play makers, so its a toss up. maybe nolan, it depends on how he and st. louis play next season. smyth is a fairly good bet to make it because of his heart, but gagne has the upper hand on skill. and madden mkes it because of his incredible ability to score more than the player he is EXTREMELY effectively shutting down(thornton, st. louis to name a couple) and how about that number 1 line for a power line?

Niedermayer-Pronger
Jovanovski-Foote
Redden-Blake
Morris

Redden and morris replace maccinnis and brewer from the olympic team, brewer just isnt good enough defensively, and Macinnis, well he will be exhausted from another season at age 40(?) i dont think he will take part. Looks like a pretty solid team boys!

Broduer starter, no need to explain why.
backup? WHO KNOWS theres at least 5 -7 possibilities. My front runner is turco, who is so good at playing the puck to his defensemen, and forwards too. not to mention he is a superb goalie. luongo, burke, lalime, theodore have all proven to be worthy, and of course giguere and belfour, this will be a tough one for them to choose. luckily it shouldnt matter that much. did i mention cujo?

Rabid Ranger
10-07-2003, 06:31 PM
I'll take my crack at the U.S. roster:


Forwards:

Weight
Modano
Tkachuk
Roenick
Amonte
Deadmarsh *
Hull *
Drury
Rolston
Guerin
Leclair *
York


* These selections depend on age. health, and effectiveness. Possible, maybe even probable replacements include Legwand, Langenbrunner, Gomez, and Parrish.


Defensemen:


Leetch
Poti
Miller
Schneider
Rafalski
Carney
Hatcher


I think this group (barring inury) is pretty much set. An ideal mix for North American size ice.


Goaltenders:


Dunham


Dipietro
Esche
Boucher
Miller
Johnson
Suave
Grahame



This is the real "weak link" as far as the team in concerned. Dunham can be great. but he's not up to par when you consider what other countries can throw out there. The other guys are young and unproven. I hope Dunham has a great year this season and can build on that for the World Cup.


If the goaltending holds up the U.S. is a clear contender. An elite group of forwards still in their prime, and a mobile, physical defense should be enough to result in a medal. The chief competition IMO will come from Canada and Russia.

Slay
10-08-2003, 01:07 AM
Samsonov - Fedorov - Ovechkin
Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Kovalev
Polushin - Yashin - Frolov
Morozov - Victor Kozlov - Grigorenko

Zubov - Markov
Gonchar - Volchenkov
Kalinin - Karpovtsev/Babchuk

Khabibulin
Nabokov
Bryzgalov

teme
10-08-2003, 01:16 AM
Finland is really weak it seems, maybe its just me but has finland been developing poor hockey players, no real stars other then Ruutu.

Tuomo Ruutu is #4 at forward depth chart at best on that team. Selänne? Koivu?

Canada Girl
10-08-2003, 07:26 AM
This roster basically includes many of the same Canadian players who have already been listed, but just so you know I am pretty sure this is the roster they were talking about on TSN:

Forwards: Lemieux, Bertuzzi, Gagne, Iginla, Sakic, Friesen, Madden, O'Neil, Smyth, Nolan, Peca, Thornton, Kariya

Defensemen: Pronger, Blake, Foote, Jovanovski, Niedermayer, Redden, Brewer

Goaltenders: Brodeur, Turco, Theodore

I don't necessarily like all these choices, but whatever, just thought I'd pass this along.

Rob
10-08-2003, 12:26 PM
Unless Owen Nolan has a great comeback year he will not be on the team. Jose Theodore has an outside chance but we will have to wait and see.

Rob
10-08-2003, 12:29 PM
I've decided to replace Danny Heatley with John Madden for my roster.

Kyri
10-13-2003, 11:36 AM
Team Finland:

Lehtinen-Koivu-Selänne
Peltonen-Jokinen-S.Kapanen
Hagman-N.Kapanen-Miettinen
Nieminen-T.Ruutu-J.Ruutu
Eloranta

Niinimaa-Numminen
Timonen-Lydman
Väänänen-Salo
Pitkänen

Nurminen/Hurme
(Lehtonen)


I think Peltonen will be in team, because Summanen likes him a lot. That 4th line would be fun to watch.

Kyri
10-13-2003, 11:46 AM
Finland is really weak it seems, maybe its just me but has finland been developing poor hockey players, no real stars other then Ruutu.

What do you mean in real stars? I don`t think Ruutu is star yet, but if you mean future stars i think that Finland has the best rookies of this season. Ruutu, Miettinen, Pitkänen, Lehtonen...But Finland doesn`t have real NHL stars, that`s for sure (well maybe Selänne, Koivu).

Youreallygotme
10-13-2003, 12:36 PM
Lehtinen to name another. and jarko ruutu:rolleyes:

Kevin Forbes
10-14-2003, 03:31 AM
Samsonov - Fedorov - Ovechkin
Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Kovalev
Polushin - Yashin - Frolov
Morozov - Victor Kozlov - Grigorenko

Zubov - Markov
Gonchar - Volchenkov
Kalinin - Karpovtsev/Babchuk

Khabibulin
Nabokov
Bryzgalov

Chistov?

Riddarn
10-14-2003, 04:47 AM
Hey this seems like fun. I'll take a shot at a swedish team:

Arvedson Sundin Alfredsson

Renberg Forsberg Näslund

Huselius Zetterberg Modin

Axelsson Nylander Nilson

Lidström Norström

Öhlund Ragnarsson

Johnsson KennyJönsson

Salo
Hedberg
Tellqvist

Ok, so there's a few others that could be considered. Mats Lindgren makes a great defensive centre. The Sedins. Thomas Holmström, great to have in the PP. A few other D-men as well. Offensivly, it's decent. Pretty satisfied with the defense too.

Rob
10-14-2003, 06:11 PM
I think that Sweden will have the stronges European team in the tournament. It is about time that Sweden does something. The last two Olympics have been a disaster.

incawg
10-14-2003, 08:25 PM
Hey this seems like fun. I'll take a shot at a swedish team:

Arvedson Sundin Alfredsson

Renberg Forsberg Näslund

Huselius Zetterberg Modin

Axelsson Nylander Nilson

Lidström Norström

Öhlund Ragnarsson

Johnsson KennyJönsson

Salo
Hedberg
Tellqvist

Ok, so there's a few others that could be considered. Mats Lindgren makes a great defensive centre. The Sedins. Thomas Holmström, great to have in the PP. A few other D-men as well. Offensivly, it's decent. Pretty satisfied with the defense too.

I have a feeling that the sedins will make the team. They've looked very good thus far this (pre)season. Lindgren, on the other hand, will probably be prevented from playing due to injuries. The way his back keeps acting up, I don't know if he's ever going to play again.

Slay
10-14-2003, 08:32 PM
Chistov?

I am a bit mixed up with positions of the players in 3rd Line in my previous post. It should be like this:
Frolov - Yashin - Polushin

Not sure whom Chistov can replace, maybe Polushin but they are playing on different positions (Chistov - LW and Polushin - RW)

I don't think he can replace Frolov. Putting Chistov to the 4th line? not quite sure (I wouldn't put him to the top 2 lines though I find him and Samsonov pretty similar players)

I don't know how effective Chistov can be on the RW, i.e. Frolov - Yashin - Chistov, and Polushin to the 4th line replacing Grigorenko if he won't recover till World Cup.

But I hope Grigorenko recovers well. Okay here my final lines, I like it better than previous ones:

1st - Samsonov - Fedorov - Ovechkin
2nd - Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Kovalev
3rd - Frolov - Yashin - Grigorenko
4th - Chistov - Kozlov - Polushin

I think Chistov will be okay at the 4th line alongside with big guys like Kozlov (6'5) and universal Polushin (6'3). Though I think 4th line in the Russian team is not obligatory checking line.

Vincent Vega
10-15-2003, 07:22 AM
CANADA:

Paul Kariya - Joe Sakic - Jarome Iginla
Todd Bertuzzi - Joe Thorton - Glen Murray
Ryan Smyth - Mike Peca - John Madden
Simon Gagne - Vinny Lecavalier - Jeff O'Neill
EX: Brendan Shanahan

Scott Niedermayer - Chris Pronger
Ed Jovanovski - Adam Foote
Wade Redden - Rob Blake
EX: Derek Morris

Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo
3rd: Marty Turco

Riddarn
10-15-2003, 08:41 AM
I have a feeling that the sedins will make the team. They've looked very good thus far this (pre)season. Lindgren, on the other hand, will probably be prevented from playing due to injuries. The way his back keeps acting up, I don't know if he's ever going to play again.

Perhaps. But the coach of the swedish national team, Nilsson, usually go for guys with a bit more speed than the Sedins. I wouldn't be surprised if some guys from the SEL makes it, like Jörgen Jönsson or Peter Nordström, or why not some NHL player that isn't established as a full time starter yet. Thinking mainly of Mattias Weinhandl and Christian Berglund. I also wouldn't be so surprised to see Niklas Kronwall, Dick Tärnström or Daniel Tjärnqvist as a spare defender either..

Foster
10-15-2003, 10:53 AM
I would say the toughest positon to fill would be Canada in nets.

Brodeur
Luongo
Turco
Theodore
Lalime.

So many others that could have a chance.

Vincent Vega
10-15-2003, 12:34 PM
I'll try a Sweden:

Henrik Zetterberg - Peter Forsberg - Markus Naslund
Kristian Huselius - Mats Sundin - Daniel Alfredsson
Mikael Renberg - Mikeal Nylander - PJ Axelsson
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Tomas Holmstrom

Nik Lidstrom - Niklas Kronwall
Mattias Ohlund - Mattias Norstrom
Kim Johnsson - Marcus Ragnarsson

Tommy Salo
Mikeal Tellqvist
Johan Hedberg

Le Golie
10-16-2003, 01:46 AM
I haven't put a lot of thought into their potential replacements but if Ovechkin, Grigorenko and Polushin are all amoung the top 12 Russian forwards, they are going to have a very difficult tournament....

Also, for Team USA, I'd have to give Jason Blake a lot of consideration. He'd be dynamite on a big ice surface.

As per Finland having no stars outside of Ruutu....Wow, not even sure how to respond to that one.

Ruutu has a long way to go before he can be mentioned in the same category as Selanne and Koivu. Jokinen is also developing into a very good player and will be crucial for the Finns.

Riddarn
10-16-2003, 10:27 PM
I'll try a Sweden:

Henrik Zetterberg - Peter Forsberg - Markus Naslund
Kristian Huselius - Mats Sundin - Daniel Alfredsson
Mikael Renberg - Michael Nylander - Freddy Modin
Magnus Arvedson - P.J Axelsson* - Tomas Holmstrom

Nik Lidstrom - Niklas Kronwall
Mattias Ohlund - Mattias Norstrom
Kim Johnsson - Marcus Ragnarsson

Tommy Salo
Mikeal Tellqvist/Johan Hedberg

*Cant think of a center.

Centers huh? First of all, Zetterberg is a natural center so you could just move him down and put PJ at left wing with Forsberg and Naslund. Then there are others who can play center, Mats Lindgren, Samuel Påhlsson, Henrik Sedin and Andreas Johansson (predators) I think. There are also a few good centers in the SEL to be considered, like Jörgen Jönsson or Johan Davidsson. Other than that, I like the look of your team :)

I've been playing with the thought of reuniting an old world junior championships line of Forsberg - Lindgren - Näslund. That way Foppa and Nazzy can be ultra offensive and they have a great defensive center backing them up. It would also adress the problem with Forsberg taking faceoffs.. This is assuming that Lindgren can stay healthy, which isn't too likely. ;)

incawg
10-20-2003, 05:14 PM
I've been playing with the thought of reuniting an old world junior championships line of Forsberg - Lindgren - Näslund. That way Foppa and Nazzy can be ultra offensive and they have a great defensive center backing them up. It would also adress the problem with Forsberg taking faceoffs.. This is assuming that Lindgren can stay healthy, which isn't too likely. ;)

Lindgren underwent back surgery the other day. The recovery time is "indefinite" but is thought to be "weeks". Hopefully this surgery fixes the problem. Apparently the injury he sustained lifting weights a year ago is still the problem. What I don't understand is why this surgery wasn't done during the offseason.

Edit: They're saying early december at the earliest. The real question is not how soon he comes back, but rather whehter the back problem really is chronic.

Vincent Vega
11-02-2003, 12:08 PM
Team USA:

John LeClair - Jeremy Roenick - TonyAmonte
Keith Tkachuk - Mike Modano - BillGuerin
Mike York - Doug Weight - Brett Hull
Brian Rolston - Chris Drury - David Legwand

Brian Leetch - Derian Hatcher
Tom Poti - Aaron Miller
Keith Carney - Brian Rafalski

Mike Dunham
Rick DiPietro

Predatore
11-02-2003, 12:48 PM
I've been playing with the thought of reuniting an old world junior championships line of Forsberg - Lindgren - Näslund.

I can't see why you would want to play those three.. I would rather re-unite Foppa and Näslund with Niklas Sundström.

Those three combined for 69(!) points during the 92/93 World Junior Championships.

Predatore
11-02-2003, 01:04 PM
btw.. here's my stab at the Swedish team

Niklas Sundström - Peter Forsberg - Markus Näslund
Henrik Zetterberg - Mats Sundin - Daniel Alfredsson
Kristian Huselius - Michael Nylander - Mikael Renberg
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - PJ Axelsson

Nicklas Lidström - Mattias Norström
Mattias Öhlund - Kim Johnsson
Kenny Jönsson - Dick Tärnström

Mikael Tellqvist
Tommy Salo
Henrik Lundqvist


did not quite make it
Tomas Holmström
Magnus Arvedson
Jörgen Jönsson
Peter Nordström
Daniel Tjärnqvist
Henrik Tallinder
Andreas Johansson
Marcus Ragnarsson

comments:
Not a very realistic squad perhaps (too much offense.. Hardy wants a lot of defensively responsible players.. meaning that Jörgen Jönsson, Peter Nordström and Arvedson will probably play from start.. on a checking line).
No Zetterberg at center.. I want to have the Sedins on the team.. so he'll have to settle with playing wing on Sundin's line.

Riddarn
11-02-2003, 01:26 PM
btw.. here's my stab at the Swedish team

Niklas Sundström - Peter Forsberg - Markus Näslund
Henrik Zetterberg - Mats Sundin - Daniel Alfredsson
Kristian Huselius - Michael Nylander - Mikael Renberg
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - PJ Axelsson

Nicklas Lidström - Mattias Norström
Mattias Öhlund - Kim Johnsson
Kenny Jönsson - Dick Tärnström

Mikael Tellqvist
Tommy Salo
Henrik Lundqvist


did not quite make it
Tomas Holmström
Magnus Arvedson
Jörgen Jönsson
Peter Nordström
Daniel Tjärnqvist
Henrik Tallinder
Andreas Johansson
Marcus Ragnarsson

comments:
Not a very realistic squad perhaps (too much offense.. Hardy wants a lot of defensively responsible players.. meaning that Jörgen Jönsson, Peter Nordström and Arvedson will probably play from start.. on a checking line).
No Zetterberg at center.. I want to have the Sedins on the team.. so he'll have to settle with playing wing on Sundin's line.

Are you sure you want two puck-egomaniacs like Huselius and Nylander on the same line? :) Looks pretty ok though, although I think it would be a better team on big ice with international rules..

Predatore
11-02-2003, 02:54 PM
actually I thought about that actually, and perhaps a better idea would be to switch Huselius and Zetterberg.. although I would really want to see Z on a line with Sudden.

Gibsons Finest
11-02-2003, 04:37 PM
My stab at Canada's roster:

Kariya-Thornton-Bertuzzi
Gange-Sakic-Iginla
Smyth-Peca-Madden
Shanahan-Lecavalier-O'Neil
Extras: St.Louis, Carter

Jovanovski-Pronger
Niedermayer-Redden
Blake-Foote
Extras: Brewer

Brodeur
Giguere
Turco

I might as well put in my American one too:

Leclair-Roenick-Amonte
Tkachuk-Modano-Guerin
Drury-Weight-Hull
Langenbrunner-Marchant-Deadmarsh

Poti-Leetch
Schneider-Hatcher
Rafalski-Carney

Dunham
DiPietro
Johnson

Master Kush
11-02-2003, 08:29 PM
What do you all think of the Czech's this time around?

I think, hopefully, they've learned from '02 and decide to put holik and bonk on this team. Those two would definantly help in games played in N.A.
Here's my best line-up, though I may be forgetting someone:


Havlat - Straka - Jagr
Elias - Bonk - Hejduk
Prospal - Lang - Sykora
***** - Holik - *****

And depending on who plays well this season, the other spots could go to:
Cajanek
Hemsky
Vasicek
Reichel (always seems to play well internationally)
Hrdina
And Sejna, Dvorak, Rucinsky, Stefan, Vrbata, Varada are long shots.


One area the Czech's will drastically improve is in their D this time around.

Kaberle - Hamrlik
Fischer - Rachunek
Klesla? - Kubina?

And last pair could be filled by any two of Klesla, Kubina, Modry, Spacek, Kuba, Skoula.

As for Goalie:
Hasek? If not, Czechmanek, Vokoun, Turek..

Vincent Vega
11-03-2003, 01:55 PM
Czech:

Patrick Elias - Petr Sykora - Jaromir Jagr
Martin Straka - Radek Bonk - Martin Havlat
Josef Vasicek - Bobby Holik - Jan Hrdina
Ales Hemsky - Petr Cajanek - Milan Hejduk

Roman Hamrlik - Karel Rachunek
Jiri Fischer - Tomas Kaberle
Rostislav Klesla - Jaroslav Spacek

Dominik Hasek
Roman Czechmanek
Tomas Vokoun

Vincent Vega
11-03-2003, 02:03 PM
Russia:

Sergei Samsonov - Sergei Fedorov - Ilya Kovalchuk
Stanislav Chistov - Pavel Datsyuk - Alexander Ovechkin
Alexei Kovalev - Alexei Yashin - Alexander Frolov
Alesky Morozov - Victor Kozlov - Igor Grigorenko

Sergei Zubov - Andrei Markov
Sergei Gonchar - Anton Volchenkov
Dmitri Kalinin - Anton Babchuk

Nikolai Khabibulin
Evgeni Nabokov
Igor Bryzgalov

sensfan18
11-04-2003, 02:45 PM
I really hope that Owen Nolan and Lindros are not on the Canadian team, they were both good but there time has passed, let's see new blood in there. Also, has good as they both are, I don't see room for both Peca and Madden.

My team Canada:

Forwards
Murray-Thorton-Bertuzzi
Kariya-Sakic-Iginla
Gagne-Lemieux-Lecavilier (the french connection, wow :handclap: )
Smyth-Madden-Heatley (assuming he can play by then)
Extras-Oneil and just to be different Rick Nash (gain experience).

On a international ice surface I don't know if Murray would be on my team, but on the north american surface, I see no doubt. Plus he and Thorton have great Chemistry, and add Big Bert, Look out no one will get the puck from them in the corners. Lecavilier could definately play out of position on that french line, and if Gagne does not regain form he can be replaced. That is my 4 extremely solid lines. So many other player to choose from if someone tanks between now and then but that is my wishful forwards.

Defence
Neidemayer-Pronger
Blake-Redden
Javanoski-MacInnis *Al's last triumph if healthy
extra: Morris or Brewer

Goal
Who knows where to start here, no matter who they choose it will be a strength.

Brodeur
Luongo
Lalime *homer pick

Giguerre, Turco, Burke, Theodore. If they take 2 of the more experienced goalies I really hope they take Luongo or Fleury along for the experience because they will be carrying us in the future.

Coaching Staff
Martin
Murray
Hitchcock

Burke's Evil Spirit
11-04-2003, 05:07 PM
I guess I'll throw my hat into the Team Canada speculation...

Kariya-Sakic-Bertuzzi
Smyth-Lemieux-Thornton
Richards-Lecavalier-Iginla
Madden-Peca-Lindros

Ex: Simon Gagne, Steve Rucchin

Lindros, Thornton and Richards are out of position...I don't know if Thornton can play RW, but I know Richards and Lindros have played on the wings.

Foote-Jovanovski
Pronger-Niedermayer
Redden-Morris

Ex: Jay Bouwmeester

Martin Brodeur
Marty Turco

Ex: Roberto Luongo

That was fun.

Rabid Ranger
11-05-2003, 06:25 AM
Team USA:

John LeClair - Jeremy Roenick - TonyAmonte
Keith Tkachuk - Mike Modano - BillGuerin
Mike York - Doug Weight - Brett Hull
Brian Rolston - Chris Drury - David Legwand

Brian Leetch - Derian Hatcher
Tom Poti - Aaron Miller
Keith Carney - Brian Rafalski

Mike Dunham
Rick DiPietro



I think this will be the team that takes the ice for the U.S. Very similar in composition to that if the '96 World Cup team, except no Mike Richter. I think Dunham could get the job done though. Great set of forwards, and a nice mix on D.

Mr. Canucklehead
11-05-2003, 08:36 AM
My thoughts for the World Cup Canadian Roster...

Iginla-Thornton-Bertuzzi(power forwards unite!)
Heatley-Lecavalier-Lemieux
Smyth-Peca-Sakic
St. Louis-O'Neil-Kariya

Jovanovski-Pronger
Redden-Blake
Foote-Bouwmeester

Goalies: (take your pick)
Marc-Andre Fleury
Martin Brodeur
Marty Turco
Patrik Lalime
Roberto Luongo

~Canucklehead~

Douggy
11-05-2003, 12:32 PM
I think Canada has to take a look at thier 2002 team and ask themselves: Who doesn't belong anymore??

My responces:
- Joseph
- Belfour (maybe not, but he'll probably retire by then anyways.)
- Fleury (It's almost certain he won't be there.)
- MacInnis (Will he be too old this time, or retired allready?)
- Yzerman (Probably be retired by then.)

Obviously we don't want to be complacent, but the team won last time, and if we can revove as few of those pieces as possible, that would be best.

William H Bonney
11-05-2003, 12:40 PM
Team USA:

John LeClair - Jeremy Roenick - TonyAmonte
Keith Tkachuk - Mike Modano - BillGuerin
Mike York - Doug Weight - Brett Hull
Brian Rolston - Chris Drury - David Legwand

Brian Leetch - Derian Hatcher
Tom Poti - Aaron Miller
Keith Carney - Brian Rafalski

Mike Dunham
Rick DiPietro

This roster looks good, I'd consider these changes:

Todd Marchant or Jason Blake for Legwand (provided he doesn't develop as expected)

Paul Mara or Jordan Leopold - if he develops - for Aaron Miller. Miller is good enough to be there, but will probably be injured as always.

incawg
11-05-2003, 03:36 PM
dumb, dumb play by bert. that was a penalty. stop yapping.

peacefrogdog
11-05-2003, 04:35 PM
Based on the assumptions of : Yzerman, MacInnis retiring

Bertuzzi-Thornton-Murray
Gagne-Sakic-Iginla
Kariya-Lemieux-Heatley (if ready) - switch Gagne for Kariya for more defensive balance
Smyth-Peca-Madden
13th forward : Lecavalier
O'Neill in for Heatley if he's not ready/healthy

Jovanovski-Blake
Pronger-Niedermayer
Redden-Foote
7th d-man : Barrettt Jackman

Brodeur
Belfour
Luongo

Vincent Vega
11-06-2003, 01:59 PM
I made some changes to my team Canada lineup.

Brendan Shanahan is out for Martin St. Louis.

St. Louis brings us more speed and skill. We already have enough grit upfront - Bertuzzi, Thornton, Iginla, Smyth, Peca, Madden, Morrow and O'Neill

Glen Murray is out for Mario Lemieux.

I think Glen Murray is a good player and has amazing chemistry with Joe Thornton but Mario Lemieux is.....well do I have to explain?

Simon Gagne is out for Brendan Morrow.

Simon Gagne has been underperforming this season and Brendan Morrow would also be a better fit on the 4th line.

Derek Morris is out for Jay Bouwmeester.

Jay Bouwmeester is the next big defenseman and really should that at the World Championships by winning best defenseman.

Marty Turco is out for Marc-Andre Fleury

M.A Fleury has been amazing this season and along with Roberto Luongo will form an incredibly dangerous duo in the nets for Canada for a long, long, long time. An expierence like this at 18 will be great for him.

CANADA:

Paul Kariya - Joe Sakic - Mario Lemieux
Todd Bertuzzi - Joe Thorton - Jarome Iginla
Ryan Smyth - Mike Peca - John Madden
Brendan Morrow - Vinny Lecavalier - Jeff O'Neill
EX: Martin St. Louis

Scott Niedermayer - Chris Pronger
Ed Jovanovski - Adam Foote
Wade Redden - Rob Blake
EX: Jay Bouwmeester

Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo
3rd: Marc-Andre Fleury

Gibsons Finest
11-14-2003, 08:17 PM
I guess I'll throw my hat into the Team Canada speculation...

Kariya-Sakic-Bertuzzi
Smyth-Lemieux-Thornton
Richards-Lecavalier-Iginla
Madden-Peca-Lindros

Ex: Simon Gagne, Steve Rucchin

Lindros, Thornton and Richards are out of position...I don't know if Thornton can play RW, but I know Richards and Lindros have played on the wings.

Foote-Jovanovski
Pronger-Niedermayer
Redden-Morris

Ex: Jay Bouwmeester

Martin Brodeur
Marty Turco

Ex: Roberto Luongo

That was fun.

I was a bit shocked at first with your pick as Rooch as an extra, but iot makes alot of sense. He's a great two-way guy who could complete a major two-way line of him, Peca, and Madden. Any one could center it. That line could probably shut down alot of teams.

Rob
11-15-2003, 05:30 PM
One mistake Canada learned from the Nagano Olympics is not to have too many centres playing on the wing. Canada had something like 9 centres in Nagano. Their offence suffered as a result. I believe almost every player played their normal position in Salt Lake City.

I think we should do the same thing for the World Cup. Have everyone play their natural position. This may mean that some good players are left out but I think it is the right course of action. The only exception may be Lemieux. If he wants to play on the wing then let him.

My goaltenders would be:

Brodeur
Luongo
Theodore

I can't believe the people who are picking Belfour.

Epsilon
11-15-2003, 09:59 PM
I think Rick Nash will be one of the Canadian forwards by the end of this season.

L3DZ3P
11-16-2003, 06:14 AM
What about Tanguay he deserve an invitation.

Vincent Vega
11-16-2003, 07:12 AM
I decided to change my USA roster up a bit. I read a smart post over at the New Jersey board saying the US didnt have a checking line at the 02 Olympics and they should have. I agree completely.

Old Team USA:

John LeClair - Jeremy Roenick - Tony Amonte
Keith Tkachuk - Mike Modano - Bill Guerin
Mike York - Doug Weight - Brett Hull
Brian Rolston - Chris Drury - David Legwand

Brian Leetch - Derian Hatcher
Tom Poti - Aaron Miller
Keith Carney - Brian Rafalski

Mike Dunham
Rick DiPietro
Robert Esche

New Team USA:

John LeClair/Keith Tkachuk - Jeremy Roenick - Tony Amonte
Mike Modano - Doug Weight - Bill Guerin
Brian Rolston - Chris Drury - Jamie Lagenbrunner
Keith Tkachuk/John LeClair - Mike York - Brett Hull
EX: Todd Marchant

Brian Leetch - Derian Hatcher
Tom Poti - Ken Klee
Keith Carney - Brian Rafalski
EX: Chris Chelios

Mike Dunham
Rick DiPietro
Robert Esche

IceMelter
11-16-2003, 02:46 PM
My Team Canada.

Forwards

Paul Kariya-Joe Thornton-Glen Murray
Alex Tanguay-Joe Sakic- Jarome Iginla
Todd Bertuzzi-Mario Lemieux- Dany Heatley
Brendan Shanahan-Vincent Lecavlier-Martin St.Louis

Extras: Ryan Smyth, Rick Nash

Defense:

Rob Blake - Adam Foote
Chris Pronger - Ed Jovanovski
Scott Niedermayer- Wade Redden

Extras: Derek Morris

Goalies:
Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo

Extra: J.S. Gigeure (depending on stats at end of season) or M.A Fleury- just to see up and close what its like to play in a big time tournament.

Vincent Vega
11-16-2003, 04:45 PM
My Team Canada.

Forwards

Paul Kariya-Joe Thornton-Glen Murray
Alex Tanguay-Joe Sakic- Jarome Iginla
Todd Bertuzzi-Mario Lemieux- Dany Heatley
Brendan Shanahan-Vincent Lecavlier-Martin St.Louis

Extras: Ryan Smyth, Rick Nash



Dont expect Canada to take the 2002 Team USA approach.

Dr_Chimera*
11-16-2003, 05:46 PM
Russia - my try at it

Samsonov/Fedorov/Kovalev
Kovalchuk/Datsyuk/Morozov
Yashin/Zhamnov/Chistov
Frolov/Kozlov/Ovechkin
Semin/Chubarov
if healthy: Grigorenko on the 3rd line RW spot

Markov/Volchenkov/
Gonchar/Kasparaitis
Tverdovsky/Kalinin
DMarkov

Khabibulin/Nabokov

I don't think Zubov would accept an invite, but it'd be nice if he did...

- I like Chubarov here. A hard-working guy like him would fit in well.

All in all, a good young group - a nice mix of veterans and up-and-comers.

Bykov will probably be on the team. He's well-liked.

IceMelter
11-18-2003, 07:25 AM
Ugly team, you have no checking players, Shanny will not make it, Heatley won't be picked.

True, however in the past when Team Canada has decided to pick in favor of just a certain attribute like Speed, or for another year be a physical team, they haven't done so well.

So why not go for a mix of offense? Sweden used the torpedo system which is primarily offensive and was kicking everyones ass until a very unexpected loss to Belarus.

Last year when we won gold we didn't really have a shutdown line, Peca and Nieuwendyk were the only ones you could really say that were in the defensive mold.

Heatley was an outside pick, it's a gamble that would have to be looked at.

Why not Shanahan though, he is 34 and is kind of getting up in age however that hasn't affected his production too much, he's not the Shanahan that put up 102 points, however he is a reliable 70 point guy.

Kugel
11-18-2003, 10:38 PM
since i always love to put things into lines, here goes my canadian team, with the tragic incident with heatley taken into consideration:

Bertuzzi-Thornton-Murray
Kariya-Sakic-Iginla
Gagne/smyth-Lecavalier/Allison-St. Louis/Nolan?
Shanahan-Peca-Madden
extra forward: lecavalier/Allison.

Peca makes it to be a defensive specialist, shutdown forward, and leader, ahead of more offensive players like comrie and richards. lecavalier and allison are both awesome play makers, so its a toss up. maybe nolan, it depends on how he and st. louis play next season. smyth is a fairly good bet to make it because of his heart, but gagne has the upper hand on skill. and madden mkes it because of his incredible ability to score more than the player he is EXTREMELY effectively shutting down(thornton, st. louis to name a couple) and how about that number 1 line for a power line?

Niedermayer-Pronger
Jovanovski-Foote
Redden-Blake
Morris

Redden and morris replace maccinnis and brewer from the olympic team, brewer just isnt good enough defensively, and Macinnis, well he will be exhausted from another season at age 40(?) i dont think he will take part. Looks like a pretty solid team boys!

Broduer starter, no need to explain why.
backup? WHO KNOWS theres at least 5 -7 possibilities. My front runner is turco, who is so good at playing the puck to his defensemen, and forwards too. not to mention he is a superb goalie. luongo, burke, lalime, theodore have all proven to be worthy, and of course giguere and belfour, this will be a tough one for them to choose. luckily it shouldnt matter that much. did i mention cujo?

i think murrary is american

GermanDevil
11-27-2003, 10:21 PM
Here is the german team (my opinion):

Goaltenders:
- Olaf Kolzig (Washington Capitals)
- Robert Müller (Krefeld Penguins / drafted by WSH on #275 in 2001)
- Marc Seliger (Mannheim Eagles / drafted by WSH on #251 in 1993)
(Kolzig is always a big question-mark. In the last years he always called of with threadbares reasons! When Kolzig don´t play, Oliver Jonas from the Polar Bears Berlin is our 3rd goalie).

Defenders:
- Dennis Seidenberg (Philadelphia Phantoms)
- Christian Ehrhoff (San Jose Sharks)
- Christoph Schubert (Binghampton Senators)
- Mirco Lüdemann (Cologne Sharks)
- Sascha Goc (Mannheim Eagles / a former Devil, drafted by the Devils on #159 in 1997)
- Jan Benda (AK Bars Kazan, Russia / played some years ago at Washington)
- Daniel Kunce (Krefeld Penguins)
(Coach Hans Zach don´t like the playing style of Sven Butenschon)

Forwards:
- Marco Sturm (San Jose Sharks)
- Jochen Hecht (Buffalo Sabres)
- Marcel Goc (Cleveland Barons)
- Stefan Ustorf (Krefeld Penguins / drafted by WSH on #53 in 1992 / He played some years ago at Washington)
- Daniel Kreutzer (Düsseldorf Metro Stars)
- Wayne Hynes (Hamburg Freezers)
- Tobias Abstreiter (Kassel Huskies)
- Andreas Morczinietz (Cologne Sharks)
- Leonard Soccio (Hannover Scorpions)
- Tomas Martinec (Mannheim Eagles)
- Eduard Lewandowski (Cologne Sharks / drafted by PHO on #242 in 2003)
- Martin Reichel (Frankfurt Lions / Brother of Robert Reichel)

Tronador
11-28-2003, 12:01 AM
Here is the german team (my opinion):

Goaltenders:
- Olaf Kolzig (Washington Capitals)
- Robert Müller (Krefeld Penguins / drafted by WSH on #275 in 2001)
- Marc Seliger (Mannheim Eagles / drafted by WSH on #251 in 1993)
(Kolzig is always a big question-mark. In the last years he always called of with threadbares reasons! When Kolzig don´t play, Oliver Jonas from the Polar Bears Berlin is our 3rd goalie).

Defenders:
- Dennis Seidenberg (Philadelphia Phantoms)
- Christian Ehrhoff (San Jose Sharks)
- Christoph Schubert (Binghampton Senators)
- Mirco Lüdemann (Cologne Sharks)
- Sascha Goc (Mannheim Eagles / a former Devil, drafted by the Devils on #159 in 1997)
- Jan Benda (AK Bars Kazan, Russia / played some years ago at Washington)
- Daniel Kunce (Krefeld Penguins)
(Coach Hans Zach don´t like the playing style of Sven Butenschon)

Forwards:
- Marco Sturm (San Jose Sharks)
- Jochen Hecht (Buffalo Sabres)
- Marcel Goc (Cleveland Barons)
- Stefan Ustorf (Krefeld Penguins / drafted by WSH on #53 in 1992 / He played some years ago at Washington)
- Daniel Kreutzer (Düsseldorf Metro Stars)
- Wayne Hynes (Hamburg Freezers)
- Tobias Abstreiter (Kassel Huskies)
- Andreas Morczinietz (Cologne Sharks)
- Leonard Soccio (Hannover Scorpions)
- Tomas Martinec (Mannheim Eagles)
- Eduard Lewandowski (Cologne Sharks / drafted by PHO on #242 in 2003)
- Martin Reichel (Frankfurt Lions / Brother of Robert Reichel)

For Wayne Hynes Zach should nominate Sebastian Furcher(Cologne Sharks), who played very offensive at the "Deutschland-Cup" or Alexander Serikow(Kassel Huskies)!!And what about Dimitri Pätzold(Cleveland AHL), drafted by the San José Sharks???

Greetings from Berlin,Germany!!!!! :rolly:

GermanDevil
11-28-2003, 03:14 AM
For Wayne Hynes Zach should nominate Sebastian Furcher(Cologne Sharks), who played very offensive at the "Deutschland-Cup" or Alexander Serikow(Kassel Huskies)!!And what about Dimitri Pätzold(Cleveland AHL), drafted by the San José Sharks???

Greetings from Berlin,Germany!!!!! :rolly:
Wayne Hynes is with Tobias Abstreiter our best Bully-player and with his experience he woulb be a very important player for us! Furchner plays now his second season in the DEL. I think Hynes would help us more...

Patzold is a good goalie, no question! But which of the other 3 goalies should be stay at home? Kolzig no, Seliger played very very good olympic games and Muller is at Krefeld one of the few players with normal form! Patzold is 20 years old, his time will be coming in the next years. But for the World Cup 2004 I wouldn´t nominate him!

Just my two cents... ;)

Dr_Chimera*
11-29-2003, 05:07 PM
I don't think Russia will fair too well, too young and horrible defense. Khabi will have to stand on his head. Also is it possible to make a checking line with Russian Forwards, may be a usefull idea.

Defense looks good to me. If the forwards are motivated, they can win the gold - but at least a medal.

nordique
12-02-2003, 10:37 AM
Defense looks good to me. If the forwards are motivated, they can win the gold - but at least a medal.

Doesn't Nabokov have to play for Kazakhstan in international play?

SwisshockeyAcademy
12-03-2003, 07:50 PM
Here is the german team (my opinion):

Goaltenders:
- Olaf Kolzig (Washington Capitals)
- Robert Müller (Krefeld Penguins / drafted by WSH on #275 in 2001)
- Marc Seliger (Mannheim Eagles / drafted by WSH on #251 in 1993)
(Kolzig is always a big question-mark. In the last years he always called of with threadbares reasons! When Kolzig don´t play, Oliver Jonas from the Polar Bears Berlin is our 3rd goalie).

Defenders:
- Dennis Seidenberg (Philadelphia Phantoms)
- Christian Ehrhoff (San Jose Sharks)
- Christoph Schubert (Binghampton Senators)
- Mirco Lüdemann (Cologne Sharks)
- Sascha Goc (Mannheim Eagles / a former Devil, drafted by the Devils on #159 in 1997)
- Jan Benda (AK Bars Kazan, Russia / played some years ago at Washington)
- Daniel Kunce (Krefeld Penguins)
(Coach Hans Zach don´t like the playing style of Sven Butenschon)

Forwards:
- Marco Sturm (San Jose Sharks)
- Jochen Hecht (Buffalo Sabres)
- Marcel Goc (Cleveland Barons)
- Stefan Ustorf (Krefeld Penguins / drafted by WSH on #53 in 1992 / He played some years ago at Washington)
- Daniel Kreutzer (Düsseldorf Metro Stars)
- Wayne Hynes (Hamburg Freezers)
- Tobias Abstreiter (Kassel Huskies)
- Andreas Morczinietz (Cologne Sharks)
- Leonard Soccio (Hannover Scorpions)
- Tomas Martinec (Mannheim Eagles)
- Eduard Lewandowski (Cologne Sharks / drafted by PHO on #242 in 2003)
- Martin Reichel (Frankfurt Lions / Brother of Robert Reichel)

This is pretty much what i thought it would be but if Kolzig says no it would be hard to blame him. He was inserted into game 1 by George Kingston against Sweden, IN Sweden. It was a 6-1 loss but he kept them in the game, Kingston would go on to rotate the other two goalies he had and would pass the quartefinal start on to the winner of the game V the Czechs. I cannot recall his name. Klauss perhaps??? It was a nonsensical move to leave out a goalie who was much better than the other two although the other two played decent. If he opts out Seliger , Muller and Patzold are good goaltenders as well and if one gets hot they will be fine. My point is if they are asking Kolzig they may as well play him unless he's playing poorly.
I like the German defense but i cannot stand Kunce. For god sakes they must leave that penalty machine home. They would probably defeated canada in the World's QF's if not for Dunce's penalties. I like his ruggedness like most as well but he tips the scales too far towards stupidity. This German team should be better than the team of 96 and i hope they put on a good show. i am also a big fan of Ullman, he showed alot of moxie around the net i wonder if he is too young to get a look?. kreutzer is an absolute bull and could succeed in the NHL if his skating is up to par. Lewandowski is of a high skill level too and could surprise.

Eisbaerenfan
12-04-2003, 05:58 AM
Team Germany

Offence:

Benda (AK Bars Kazan) - Ustorf (Krefeld) - T.Martinec (Mannheim)
Sturm (San Jose) - T.Abstreiter (Kassel) - Kreutzer (Düsseldorf)
Hecht (Buffalo) - M.Goc (Cleveland) - Serikow (Kassel)
Lewandowski (Köln) - Boos (Köln) - Furchner (Köln)
Maybe Greilinger (Nürnberg) and M.Reichel (Frankfurt) instead of Alexander Serikow and Marcel Goc

Defense:

Lüdemann (Köln) - S.Goc (Mannheim)
S. Retzer (Kassel) - Ehrhoff (San Jose)
D. Seidenberg (Phantoms) - Leask (Eisbären Berlin)
Kopitz (Nürnberg)

Goalies:

Kölzig (Washington)
Müller (Krefeld)
Jonas (Eisbären Berlin)

There are some more options in Defense with Schubert (Binghamton), Stöpfgeshoff (Frankfurt) and Goldmann (Iserlohn). I don't think Felix Petermann (Nürnberg) is ready to play against NHLers yet. Of all defenders in Germany Kopitz and Stöpfgeshoff have the most potential (forget Sulzer). Maybe Soccio (Hannover) or Hynes (Hamburg) might play on the center position for Marcel Goc. Highly overrated players that have been playing for the national Team are Kathan (Mannheim) Morczinietz (Köln) and Blank (Köln). I think wingers like Aab (Nürnberg), Mares (Freiburg), Appel (Krefeld), Arendt (Augsburg) or Florian Keller (Berlin) are much better.

syc
12-04-2003, 01:38 PM
Doesn't Nabokov have to play for Kazakhstan in international play?

Yes I think your right.

Slay
12-05-2003, 05:54 AM
Yes I think your right.

By new rules he can play for Russia. He played in Russia 5 or more years (just not sure exactly) thus he can play for Russia, and after all he is Russian.

Rob
12-05-2003, 08:19 AM
International rules do not apply to the World Cup. Thus, he is able to play for Russia.

Kronblom
12-05-2003, 12:17 PM
Team Germany

There are some more options in Defense with Schubert (Binghamton), Stöpfgeshoff (Frankfurt) and Goldmann (Iserlohn). I don't think Felix Petermann (Nürnberg) is ready to play against NHLers yet. Of all defenders in Germany Kopitz and Stöpfgeshoff have the most potential (forget Sulzer).
Interesting to see that this halfswede/halfgerman Jonas Stöpfgeshoff is doing so well in the DEL, but seeing him as a pontential player for the World Cup wouldn´t that be asking for too much?

Jonas Stöpfgeshoff has played 9 games for the swedish junior national team, I don´t know how that will affect his chances with Team Germany in the future though.

Badger Bob
12-05-2003, 04:00 PM
Team USA:

John LeClair - Jeremy Roenick - TonyAmonte
Keith Tkachuk - Mike Modano - BillGuerin
Mike York - Doug Weight - Brett Hull
Brian Rolston - Chris Drury - David Legwand

Brian Leetch - Derian Hatcher
Tom Poti - Aaron Miller
Keith Carney - Brian Rafalski

Mike Dunham
Rick DiPietro

Delete Mike York & Brian Rolston, and replace with Erik Cole & Adam Deadmarsh. Scratch David Legwand and slot Todd Marchant in the checking role. Jordan Leopold has played in the last two World Championships, which hasn't gone unnoticed at USA Hockey. No reason to retire Chris Chelios just yet.

Rabid Ranger
12-05-2003, 11:39 PM
Delete Mike York & Brian Rolston, and replace with Erik Cole & Adam Deadmarsh. Scratch David Legwand and slot Todd Marchant in the checking role. Jordan Leopold has played in the last two World Championships, which hasn't gone unnoticed at USA Hockey. No reason to retire Chris Chelios just yet.


Deadmarsh would be a given, IF he is healthy. It's up in the air whether he'll even play again. There's no way Rolston is left off the team. He brings too much to the table, and is an accomplished two-way player with tremendous speed and a cannon for a shot. I guess York and Cole are a toss up, although personally, I'd rather have York's more accomplished offensive game as opposed to Cole's physicality. Shoot, there might be room for both!

Badger Bob
12-06-2003, 04:52 AM
I guess York and Cole are a toss up, although personally, I'd rather have York's more accomplished offensive game as opposed to Cole's physicality. Shoot, there might be room for both!

If they were playing on international ice surfaces, York & Cole might be a toss up. Since it's the North American game, Cole should get the nod IMHO. (Recall his playoff performance two seasons ago.) This would line up power forwards across the left side: LeClair, Tkachuk, Cole & Deadmarsh (like you say, if he's healthy).

Come to think of it, Jamie Lannenbrunner should receive serious consideration.

Badger Bob
12-06-2003, 09:18 AM
Expect Langenbrunner to get a more defensive role, matter whether he's hot or not in the scoring department. He's not going to pass Guerin, Hull & Amonte on any of the scoring lines. A checking line of Deadmarsh-Marchant-Langenbrunner could be extremely effective.

Dr_Chimera*
12-07-2003, 01:59 PM
By new rules he can play for Russia. He played in Russia 5 or more years (just not sure exactly) thus he can play for Russia, and after all he is Russian.
Well, the iihf will never accept him, but the World Cup I don't think has anything to do with the iihf, so I think he'll be accepted. But I could be wrong.

Kevin Forbes
12-07-2003, 03:06 PM
USA looks a lot stronger then I thought they would be

Eisbaerenfan
12-08-2003, 01:38 AM
Interesting to see that this halfswede/halfgerman Jonas Stöpfgeshoff is doing so well in the DEL, but seeing him as a pontential player for the World Cup wouldn´t that be asking for too much?

Jonas Stöpfgeshoff has played 9 games for the swedish junior national team, I don´t know how that will affect his chances with Team Germany in the future though.

Stöpfgeshoff is playing in Frankfurt since 2002. You have to live at least two years in the country that you want to play for if you have a dual citizenship i think. Germanys coach Zach said that he would have nominated him for the Deutschland Cup, if he had been eligible. Maybe you're right he might not be ready to play against world stars but which german defenders other than Mirko Lüdemann are? Team Germany will do well if they focus on their fighting spirit.

Badger Bob
12-08-2003, 01:35 PM
USA looks a lot stronger then I thought they would be

Yep, one of the scribes from THN (Mike Brophy?) was just about ready to write off Team USA. Depending on how the final roster shapes up, they should be a serious contender. The only real questionable area, at this point, is a top-end #1 goalie.

Maybe something like this?

LeClair-Modano-Hull
Tkachuk-Weight-Guerin
Roenick-Drury-Amonte
Cole-Marchant-Langenbrunner
spares: Deadmarsh, Rolston
(injury replacements: York, Konowalchuk)

Leetch-Hatcher
Carney-Chelios
Rafalski-Miller
Leopold
(injury replacements: Poti, Schneider)

Dunham
DiPietro
Miller

Kugel
12-08-2003, 09:14 PM
Nope, he was born just outside halifax
my bad