Kelowna vs Kootenay

Discuss ... their is a poll on this series up for the next couple of days on the poll board ... I hope Kelowna wins ... the way they've been taken to the limit the first two series has me a tad worried, but I believe their experience will pay off for them

I am going for Kootenay. But I'm betting Kelowna will win. :banghead:

Kootenay will run those ********...

Kal Tire WHL Western Conference Championship Series - Kootenay vs. Kelowna - LIVE ON SHAW TV

Created: Apr 21, 2005

CALGARY, AB - Ron Robison, Commissioner of the Western Hockey League and Shaw Cablesystems today announced that the entire Kal Tire WHL Western Conference Championship Series between the defending MasterCard Memorial Cup Champion Kelowna Rockets and the WHL Regular Season Champion and 2002 MasterCard Memorial Cup Champion Kootenay Ice will be televised live on Shaw TV throughout Western Canada. The series will also be broadcast in the Portland area on Comcast 14.

The first game of the series begins Friday, April 22nd at 7:00 PM MDT from the Cranbrook Recreation Complex.

The following is the full series Schedule:

Kootenay Ice vs. Kelowna Rockets
Friday, April 22 Kelowna at Kootenay 7:00 p.m.
Saturday, April 23 Kelowna at Kootenay 7:00 p.m.
Tuesday, April 26 Kootenay at Kelowna 7:00 p.m.
Wednesday, April 27 Kootenay at Kelowna 7:00 p.m.
Friday, April 29 Kelowna at Kootenay 7:00 p.m.*
Sunday, May 1 Kootenay at Kelowna 5:00 p.m.*
Tuesday, May 3 Kelowna at Kootenay 7:00 p.m.*

* - If Necessary
All Times Local

The entire 2005 WHL Playoff schedule can be found at www.whl.ca

I'm rooting for the Ice.

rockets in six, it will be a great series.

and what do ya know ... Kelowna takes game 1 with Shea Weber having a MONSTER game ... 2 goals (ES) and one assist and on the ice for the first goal ... the MAN is back!

How 'bout that... Dawes beat the piss out of Ofukany. Way to go little man! :yo:

How 'bout that... Dawes beat the piss out of Ofukany. Way to go little man! :yo:

hey chief ... tell me that wasn't a high stick on the Cracknell goal by Cherewyk, and shouldn't have been blown down

hey chief ... tell me that wasn't a high stick on the Cracknell goal by Cherewyk, and shouldn't have been blown down

I tuned in just as Palin was saying "that's f***ing bull****". They tried to show a replay, but it showed nothing. Might have very well been the case.

I tuned in just as Palin was saying "that's f***ing bull****". They tried to show a replay, but it showed nothing. Might have very well been the case.

well, I've got to bet that this ref won't be reffing this series much more ... the Rockets color guy is letting the ref have it

well, I've got to bet that this ref won't be reffing this series much more ... the Rockets color guy is letting the ref have it

Yeah, a Rockets colour guy knows exactly what any WHL supervisors in the building are thinking. :propeller

Besides, a puck hitting a high stick is something any one of the three officials can blow down if they see it.

The Rockets had the original penalty before the mini line brawl happened. That's why Kelowna is short right now.

Herman has been around for a long time, and he did the 2004 WJHC in Finland. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get the finals.

Yeah, a Rockets colour guy knows exactly what any WHL supervisors in the building are thinking. :propeller

Besides, a puck hitting a high stick is something any one of the three officials can blow down if they see it.

The Rockets had the original penalty before the mini line brawl happened. That's why Kelowna is short right now.

Ofukany must have said something about Dawes mother, and the fact 3 refs can't see a highstick when the puck is played above your shoulder is very hard to phathom ... Derek Price done for the night

the fact 3 refs can't see a highstick when the puck is played above your shoulder is very hard to phathom

Like it or not, officials are not perfect. If they missed it, s*** happens. I know that seems like a non-chalant attitude, but that's the only way you can look at it.

Although I didn't see the play, if it was close to his shoulder height, they might have judged it to be a legal play.

Like it or not, officials are not perfect. If they missed it, s*** happens. I know that seems like a non-chalant attitude, but that's the only way you can look at it.

Although I didn't see the play, if it was close to his shoulder height, they might have judged it to be a legal play.

well then its time to hold refs/linesmen to higher standards, period and if they are reprimanded on site and corrected on site by an off ice official, then so be it, because a) the players deserve it and b) the paying fan deserves it as well

well then its time to hold refs/linesmen to higher standards, period and if they are reprimanded on site and corrected on site by an off ice official, then so be it, because a) the players deserve it and b) the paying fan deserves it as well

Might as well force the same attitude with players who miss a pass, turn the puck over, goaltenders who let out a juicy rebound, etc.

In a league where even full-time officials, like Derek Herman, have other day jobs to make a living (Herman is a teacher), holding them to such standards is pointless. If you want to reprimand these guys "on-site", they might as well quit. It's not like they need to officiate to make a living. I'm not saying grave enough mistakes should not be subject to some kind of penalty, but it should not be, and is not public news. That's because the game is about the players. The public does not care for news about officials.

They're all there because they love the game just as much as the players and coaches. They train just as hard as the players, and they put just as much effort into their games as the players and coaches do theirs....and just like the players and coaches, they make mistakes sometimes. The biggest problem in the players/coaches/fans vs. officials "war" (for lack of a better term) is the expectations of perfection from the officials. It will never happen.

in case you didn't know Shea Weber is GOOD ...

He was the #2 star in game #2 a game the Rockets LOST ...

Tonight he was the #3 star ... Comeau was a monster tonight (point on every Rocket goal 1g-3a)

Refs never make a bad call do they? [sarcasm]

Refs never make a bad call do they? [sarcasm]

Welcome back. It's been a while.

I saw on another board that Dawes got hurt last night. Anyone have any other details?
thanks

I saw on another board that Dawes got hurt last night. Anyone have any other details?
thanks

He got crunched by Shea Weber and then left the game, I'm guessing it was a concussion, he look dazed after the hit.

I saw on another board that Dawes got hurt last night. Anyone have any other details?
thanks

Yeah Weber hit him into the boards and received a 5 min major and was ejected. The penalty was called by the linesman and wasn't called to after the play had stopped. It was a questionable call. Hopefully Dawes will be back for the next game.

that boy don't take **** off anyone! :yo: ... you score on me, I'll score 2 on you and put you out of commission ... 1 MORE WIN :yo:

that boy don't take **** off anyone! :yo: ... you score on me, I'll score 2 on you and put you out of commission ... 1 MORE WIN :yo:


Yea what a real classy player, lets knock out the most dominating player on the Ice who has 3 Goals, and 6 assists in his last 6 games with an illegal hit/cheap shot. :shakehead

Yea what a real classy player, lets knock out the most dominating player on the Ice who has 3 Goals, and 6 assists in his last 6 games with an illegal hit/cheap shot. :shakehead

yea and I'm sure Dawes doesn't play dirty every once in a while ... even with that 10 minute misconduct & major boarding Shea was the #1 star, Shea in his last 11 games has 11 points ... I didn't know goons averaged a point per game in the playoffs

yea and I'm sure Dawes doesn't play dirty every once in a while ... even with that 10 minute misconduct & major boarding Shea was the #1 star, Shea in his last 11 games has 11 points ... I didn't know goons averaged a point per game in the playoffs


No, sorry..Dawes doesnt check the best player on the other team from behind to get his team an advantage. Injury looked serious...can't wait till they slap a suspension on the goon.

No, sorry..Dawes doesnt check the best player on the other team from behind to get his team an advantage. Injury looked serious...can't wait till they slap a suspension on the goon.

I hardly doubt he will get suspended the hit didn't really look that bad. Hell, the ref didn't even call it a penalty, the linesman did. Although there have been a lot of hits from behind so far in this series coming from both teams.

No, sorry..Dawes doesnt check the best player on the other team from behind to get his team an advantage. Injury looked serious...can't wait till they slap a suspension on the goon.

"Looked serious"? You didn't even see it. If I was a Rangers' fan, I'd be a little worried that Dawes seems to need protection from the officials even at this level...first Ofukany gets kicked out for fighting with him, now Weber gets booted on a call the ref took two minutes to make. He's going to get eaten alive in the NHL.

I dont understand the logic behind sitting Maxwell on the bench and then all of a sudden giving him a regular shift in period 3 and overtime. The kid showed that he can put the puck in the net if given ice time (Dawes away at WJC). I got a funny feeling the Ice are being out coached.

The Ice are done. Kelowna is just too good. Not to mention if Dawes does have a concussion there goes any chance of them coming back to win.

After the 5 minute PP was over, Kelowna was all over Kootenay. It wasn't even funny. The Ice aren't half as good of a team without Dawes.

It was a play that happens ten times in a game, there was no penalty on the original play because there shouldn't have been. Is it me or are the Ice getting a lot of calls for them. Ofukany gets kicked out, Dawes doesn't, High stick or glove pass goal, almost an offsides goal and now Weber get five and a game for nothing. :dunno:
Yea what a real classy player, lets knock out the most dominating player on the Ice who has 3 Goals, and 6 assists in his last 6 games with an illegal hit/cheap shot. :shakehead

No, sorry..Dawes doesnt check the best player on the other team from behind to get his team an advantage. Injury looked serious...can't wait till they slap a suspension on the goon.
listen here troll, its only the ice fans that are saying it was a bad hit on the majority. most neutral fans are saying it was a legal hit or should of gotten a TWO minute penalty. you have one of the strongest players in the league, a scott stevens hitter nailing a guy seven inches shorter with his shoulder to dawes face.

if dawes doesn t want to get hit he shoulln t go near the boards or near weber. i hope dawes doesn t have a separated shoulder or a concussion,k but it was a good hit just unfortunate.

weber has never been called a cheap player before that i have heard and how can he be a goon if he got into two fights this year

watch the hit troll then participate in the conversation :madfire:

It was a play that happens ten times in a game, there was no penalty on the original play because there shouldn't have been. Is it me or are the Ice getting a lot of calls for them. Ofukany gets kicked out, Dawes doesn't, High stick or glove pass goal, almost an offsides goal and now Weber get five and a game for nothing. :dunno:

That play at the blueline where Sagat kept it in was obviously onside, can't complain about that. I do agree that some of the calls in that game were suspect though.

listen here troll, its only the ice fans that are saying it was a bad hit on the majority. most neutral fans are saying it was a legal hit or should of gotten a TWO minute penalty. you have one of the strongest players in the league, a scott stevens hitter nailing a guy seven inches shorter with his shoulder to dawes face.

if dawes doesn t want to get hit he shoulln t go near the boards or near weber. i hope dawes doesn t have a separated shoulder or a concussion,k but it was a good hit just unfortunate.

weber has never been called a cheap player before that i have heard and how can he be a goon if he got into two fights this year

watch the hit troll then participate in the conversation :madfire:

This is one neutral fan that thinks it should have been a 2 minute penalty, not a 5 minute major.

It was a play that happens ten times in a game, there was no penalty on the original play because there shouldn't have been. Is it me or are the Ice getting a lot of calls for them. Ofukany gets kicked out, Dawes doesn't, High stick or glove pass goal, almost an offsides goal and now Weber get five and a game for nothing. :dunno:

The Ice are getting a lot of calls in their favor. But Kelowna has gotten so many in their favor over the course of the season. As far as I'm concerned it is just evening out.

It doesnt matter if you people THINK he should have got a minor...FACT is if a player gets INJURED from a check from behind or Boarding call...its a MAJOR. Simple as that.

That is the fact not minor or major. If Dawes wasn't hurt this would not even be a question.
It doesnt matter if you people THINK he should have got a minor...FACT is if a player gets INJURED from a check from behind or Boarding call...its a MAJOR. Simple as that.

I personally thought it looked harmless. I am a Rocket fan, and do think it was checking from behind. I mean, it had to be. The replay clearly showed it was from behind, but that Flyline doesn't recognize is that it was not a viscous hit. Dawes should not have being injured.

even with that 10 minute misconduct & major boarding

More like a Major for Boarding and a Game Misconduct.

Hell, the ref didn't even call it a penalty, the linesman did.

That makes no difference. The reason linesmen can call Major penalties is because for something major, it might be necessary for the official with the best view of the play, not necessarily being the referee, to make the call. For minors, it's no big deal to miss one here and there, but majors need to be caught, and three pairs of eyes is better than one.


now Weber gets booted on a call the ref took two minutes to make. He's going to get eaten alive in the NHL.

The referee didn't make the call, the linesman did. (According to what I read here)


most neutral fans are saying it was a legal hit or should of gotten a TWO minute penalty.

Linesmen can't call minors, only majors. That, and if it is determined a penalty is warranted, and injury is the result, a minor penalty is not an option.

you have one of the strongest players in the league, a scott stevens hitter nailing a guy seven inches shorter with his shoulder to dawes face.


Then good for the linesman to give Weber the gate. Those are the exact kind of hits that the game needs to get rid of. Regardless of size, hits to the head are the biggest reason that concussions are a problem in today's game. Hockey Canada and the IIHF have a rule against any initial contact to the head. I think the game at all levels needs to adopt that rule.

The hit couldn't have been too malicious because it's been posted that the league will not suspend him. With all the factors involved (potential boarding, blow to the head, star Nigel Dawes, game misconduct, major penalty) one would think a suspension would be in order, playoffs or not. A punishment not being handed out is minute vindication for Shea because looking merely at the facts without taking into account the hit, a suspension would be in order. Must mean the hit wasn't that bad.

Linesmen can't call minors, only majors. That, and if it is determined a penalty is warranted, and injury is the result, a minor penalty is not an option.



Then good for the linesman to give Weber the gate. Those are the exact kind of hits that the game needs to get rid of. Regardless of size, hits to the head are the biggest reason that concussions are a problem in today's game. Hockey Canada and the IIHF have a rule against any initial contact to the head. I think the game at all levels needs to adopt that rule.
i know the linesmen can't call minors, but my point was if the ref had a better look at it he probly would of called a minor penalty.

i think they should adopt the iihf rule of any blow to the head is a five and a game. lindros might have a brain right now if the nhl copied that rule. but its not in here right now so i don't think it should of been called.

It doesnt matter if you people THINK he should have got a minor...FACT is if a player gets INJURED from a check from behind or Boarding call...its a MAJOR. Simple as that.
if he hadn't of turned his body towards the boards it wouldn t of been a hit from behind to begin with.

if he hadn't of turned his body towards the boards it wouldn t of been a hit from behind to begin with.

the old Don Cherry rule ... DON'T TURN INTO THE HIT MORON!

the old Don Cherry rule ... DON'T TURN INTO THE HIT MORON!


Do you really think Dawes said to himself "Hmm im about to get nailed..let me turn my body so I get hit from behind and the player gets a penalty....hope to dont get hurt by doing this."

Do you really think Dawes said to himself "Hmm im about to get nailed..let me turn my body so I get hit from behind and the player gets a penalty....hope to dont get hurt by doing this."
i'll bet he won't bend over and turn his back away from a hit again.

Do you really think Dawes said to himself "Hmm im about to get nailed..let me turn my body so I get hit from behind and the player gets a penalty....hope to dont get hurt by doing this."

No, he clearly wasn't thinking too much. You have to be aware that it is Shea Weber coming in for the hit and not Cumiskey. He needs to be smarter in this situation. Smart, aware players generally don't skate through the neutral zone with their head down. Smart, aware players shouldn't turn towards the boards right before big contact. It's clear it wasn't a vicious hit, or Shea would have been suspended. It appears to be a 'wrong place, wrong time' situation.

I was completely shocked by the penalty on Weber, and would be willing to bet that the linesman who called it, having now seen the replay, regrets it. The reffing in the WHL is generally good, and I think it's been nothing short of excellent in the playoffs, but that call was atrocious. Dawes unfortunately turned at the very last second as he was getting hit, or else it would have been a normal hit. There was really nothing Weber could or should have done differently. It wasn't a hit to the head, it wasn't from behind until Dawes turned at which time it was much too late for Weber to hold up, and it wasn't even a hard hit. If anything, it could have been two for boarding, although I would have disagreed with that too.

I was completely shocked by the penalty on Weber, and would be willing to bet that the linesman who called it, having now seen the replay, regrets it. The reffing in the WHL is generally good, and I think it's been nothing short of excellent in the playoffs, but that call was atrocious. Dawes unfortunately turned at the very last second as he was getting hit, or else it would have been a normal hit. There was really nothing Weber could or should have done differently. It wasn't a hit to the head, it wasn't from behind until Dawes turned at which time it was much too late for Weber to hold up, and it wasn't even a hard hit. If anything, it could have been two for boarding, although I would have disagreed with that too.

Yes, he may have turned at the last second, but according to the ruleboook the ref still has to make the call for checking from behind even if the player turns at the last second.

Yes, he may have turned at the last second, but according to the ruleboook the ref still has to make the call for checking from behind even if the player turns at the last second.
Not true.



Rule 48. Checking from Behind

A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore UNABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF, and contact is made on the back part of the body. When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed


http://www.whl.ca/about/rules.php?id=107&showToc=1

No one is convincing me that he was not aware of Shea Weber hitting him. He was basically already being hit as he turned. By that rule, I don't think anyone can say that Weber's hit was a checking from behind penalty.

3rd period of the last game of the Ice's season about to begin

goal by Mike Card assisted by Brent Howarth and Chris Ray 1-0 Rockets :yo: :clap: :jump: :handclap:

Martin Sagat with 3.6 seconds left!!!
Sagat, (8) (Mahovsky, Cherewyk), 19:56

wow, thats all i can say. but with the tenacity and enver give up attitude kootenay played with, they seemed destined for a goal.

Nice to see Kootenay get the victory in double OT. But I still don't think it is enough. Without Dawes I can't see them going into Kelowna on Sunday afternoon and getting another win.

Do you really think Dawes said to himself "Hmm im about to get nailed..let me turn my body so I get hit from behind and the player gets a penalty....hope to dont get hurt by doing this."

Some players do. I see it all the time.

Greg. Although you assume correct on the CFB rule, other penalties, such as Boarding or Charging, can still be called if the officials deem it necessary.


3rd period of the last game of the Ice's season about to begin

Got ahead of yourself a bit there, eh?


My only question... How does Martin Sagat not get a star after saving Kootenay's season with 3 seconds left, and getting a point on the GWG in the 5th period?

Some players do. I see it all the time.

Greg. Although you assume correct on the CFB rule, other penalties, such as Boarding or Charging, can still be called if the officials deem it necessary.




Got ahead of yourself a bit there, eh?


My only question... How does Martin Sagat not get a star after saving Kootenay's season with 3 seconds left, and getting a point on the GWG in the 5th period?

Even the sun shines on a dog's @$$ every once in a while

Not true.


http://www.whl.ca/about/rules.php?id=107&showToc=1

No one is convincing me that he was not aware of Shea Weber hitting him. He was basically already being hit as he turned. By that rule, I don't think anyone can say that Weber's hit was a checking from behind penalty.

Actually it is very true.

Even if a players turns into a check intentionally, any check to the numbers is a check from behind. Very black and white. Haven't seen the hit though.

I just saw a replay and thought it was worthy of a 2 min penalty but nothing more. How long will Dawes be out?

I just saw a replay and thought it was worthy of a 2 min penalty but nothing more. How long will Dawes be out?
Who knows right now, Kootenay won't tell us the truth during playoff season. Kelowna didn't tip their hat when Weber was hurt.

Kootenay said he would be out for the entire series with Kelowna. That is what I heard anyway.

Actually it is very true.

Even if a players turns into a check intentionally, any check to the numbers is a check from behind. Very black and white. Haven't seen the hit though.

You're thinking of the Hockey Canada rulebook, not the WHL rulebook.

The WHL's CFB rule is quite clear: "When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed."

This means no CFB penalty shall be assessed, but other penalties such as Boarding, Charging and Roughing can be assessed in this situation.

2 worst times to give up a goal ... 5 minutes into a game and 5 minutes from the final buzzer ...

Ryan Russell (Kootenay) unassisted at 1:27 of the first and Card (Kelowna) on the Power Play from Derek Yeomans at 17:56 of the third

Shea Weber!!!! Rockets win the series!

Shea Weber!!!! Rockets win the series!

It just had to be him... classic.

wow.. that goal glass let in at the end of the 3rd.. ouch

:handclap: :hockey: :highclap: :win:

From watching that series on TV, I'd say that Kelowna will beat my Wheaties or the Raiders....

Too bad because Kootenay definitely deserved to win tonight. Kelowna always gets the lucky breaks unfortunately... :madfire:

Too bad because Kootenay definitely deserved to win tonight. Kelowna always gets the lucky breaks unfortunately... :madfire:
ice did out play the rockets in three periods, but the rockets totally out played the ice in ot. overall the rockets deserved the series and out played the ice in the series.

glass made alot of great saves in this series and so did yeomans.

i wouldn't say the rockets always gets the breaks, look at both goals friday night in cranbrook. they were both crappy goals against the rockets and they outplayed the ice overall in the game.

ice did out play the rockets in three periods, but the rockets totally out played the ice in ot. overall the rockets deserved the series and out played the ice in the series.

glass made alot of great saves in this series and so did yeomans.

i wouldn't say the rockets always gets the breaks, look at both goals friday night in cranbrook. they were both crappy goals against the rockets and they outplayed the ice overall in the game.

The Rockets do always get the breaks. So many times they get totally out played but they will get a phantom penalty call (in their favor) late in the game and score on the PP. I've seen that happen just about every time they played Vancouver this past season. Or last night, a lucky fluke goal from center ice to tie it 1-1. That game shouldn't have even went to OT.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Kelowna, the won the series fair and square. It is just frustrating because I've seen Kelowna win so many games this year that they didn't deserve to win.

Oh well. I picked Kelowna to win from the start anyway, and I can't say I'm surprised they won.

I have to strongly disagree with anyone who says Kelowna gets a phantom call at anytine in the game. The fact is Kelowna is consistently the most disclipline team in the league. They get beat up, pushed around, punched etc and rarely respond. I was speaking with a few of the scouts in the Vancouver series and that was exactly what they were saying. They said the discipline in terms of reacting to opposing players and discipline in terms of staying within a system is why Kelowna wins. In that series they were commenting on how Brule would lose focus and then start running guys left and right, when his team needed him to bury a goal instead.

I see people complaining about the call Savage made late in the 3rd last night. My God, Busto grabbed and Kelowna forward in a bear hug and then chucked him on the ice, landing on top of him and the play really wasnt that close.

Ron Robison said on the radio after game 5 that the linesman in Kelowna made the wrong call that resulted in Weber being ejected. He said Rehman felt it wasnt a penalty and had the call right but in the end listened to the linsemen. In any event I felt the reffing was atricious the whole series save for Savage last night. He let the players decide the game for the most part. The interference on both teams was crazy but it went both ways and nobody will complain about that.

The Rockets do always get the breaks. So many times they get totally out played but they will get a phantom penalty call (in their favor) late in the game and score on the PP. I've seen that happen just about every time they played Vancouver this past season. Or last night, a lucky fluke goal from center ice to tie it 1-1. That game shouldn't have even went to OT.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Kelowna, the won the series fair and square. It is just frustrating because I've seen Kelowna win so many games this year that they didn't deserve to win.

Oh well. I picked Kelowna to win from the start anyway, and I can't say I'm surprised they won.

I usually agree with you for the most part, but I think you're way off here. Kelowna is rarely outplayed, and they only appear to get a lot of breaks because it seems like every time they do get a slight break they capitalize on it. I don't think the Giants deserved to win any of the games against Kelowna that they lost, except maybe one in Kelowna when they blew the late lead. Giants played well against the Rockets, but the most frustrating part of that for me was that even though they played well it always seemed like the Rockets were still just a bit better.

The Rockets do always get the breaks. So many times they get totally out played but they will get a phantom penalty call (in their favor) late in the game and score on the PP. I've seen that happen just about every time they played Vancouver this past season. Or last night, a lucky fluke goal from center ice to tie it 1-1. That game shouldn't have even went to OT.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Kelowna, the won the series fair and square. It is just frustrating because I've seen Kelowna win so many games this year that they didn't deserve to win.

Oh well. I picked Kelowna to win from the start anyway, and I can't say I'm surprised they won.

The Rockets earn their breaks. Fact is, the calls go even both ways, but you feel this way because it never seems to affect the Rockets. Bad call? kill it off. Card loses a skate blade? well they scored but you didnt seem to notice. ANyways he came back to score the tying goal late, so the breaks always end up even It's just that the ROckets have more experience to deal with it.

I usually agree with you for the most part, but I think you're way off here. Kelowna is rarely outplayed, and they only appear to get a lot of breaks because it seems like every time they do get a slight break they capitalize on it. I don't think the Giants deserved to win any of the games against Kelowna that they lost, except maybe one in Kelowna when they blew the late lead. Giants played well against the Rockets, but the most frustrating part of that for me was that even though they played well it always seemed like the Rockets were still just a bit better.

I am talking about the regular season here. Not the playoffs. The Giants pretty much out played Kelowna in every game, IMO. The games in Vancouver that is.

Anyway I'll just have to agree to disagree with most of you.

And again I'm not trying to take anything away from Kelowna at all. They are a damn good team. There is no questioning that.