CuJo on waiver draft?

PhillyNucksFan
09-25-2003, 04:48 PM
just heard that detroit is likely to protect Hasek/Legace and expose CuJo.. and they believe its fine because no one would pick up the 8M salary price tag on him. However, what is the possibility for rich teams, i.e. Avs to pick him up for free, even if it cost them 8M+roster spot.. Avs with Cujo is certainly, again, a safe bet to win the cup. :( :(

any thoughts? and what would prevent teams like Avs to pick Cujo up at all or other rich teams in need of a goaltender?

SedinFan*
09-25-2003, 06:21 PM
ban, he's baiting.

incawg
09-25-2003, 06:28 PM
How can someone who lives in Philadelphia cheer for a garbage team like the Canucks? You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself! Now I am the other way around. I live on Vancouver Island and cheer for the Flyers. I suggest you seek psychiatric treatment and maybe you will come to your senses! GO FLYERS GO! CANUCKS SUCK!

worst.
troll.
ever.

Jewelly
09-25-2003, 06:38 PM
How can someone who lives in Philadelphia cheer for a garbage team like the Canucks? You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself! Now I am the other way around. I live on Vancouver Island and cheer for the Flyers. I suggest you seek psychiatric treatment and maybe you will come to your senses! GO FLYERS GO! CANUCKS SUCK!For someone who has 17 posts you're quite vocal.

When you reach a 1777 posts... come back and visit okay? :D

IceMelter
09-25-2003, 07:01 PM
don't worry bro I don't think that will be a problem.

Jewelly
09-25-2003, 07:03 PM
How many posts is a guy supposed to have when he has only been joined up for just over a month? Then to boot most of that time was off season time so there wasn't much to talk about. I will come to this site and chirp off whenever I feel like it. I am anti Canuck and always will be. Get used to seeing my name on here!!!!Cool. We haven't had a real troll around here for ages.

Do you live under a bridge and have hairy toes too? :dunno:

incawg
09-25-2003, 07:07 PM
Cool. We haven't had a real troll around here for ages.

Do you live under a bridge and have hairy toes too? :dunno:

Seems like more of a troll in training to me. He's got a lot of work to do before he reaches full-fledged troll status. Probably only has hair on his baby toe.

Darth Vitale
09-25-2003, 08:33 PM
If Cujo goes unprotected I imagine Lacroix will pick him up almost immediately... they can afford his $8M for one season. Especially the one season before the CBA expires.

Too bad VANCOUVER can't afford him so they could kick Phillthy's ass in the Finals. Ohhh. Wait... Phillthy never makes it past the second round despite their HUGE payroll. Sorry for the mix up. I must've had them confused with a real team like Ottawa.

:)

BCCHL inactive
09-25-2003, 08:47 PM
How many posts is a guy supposed to have when he has only been joined up for just over a month? Then to boot most of that time was off season time so there wasn't much to talk about. I will come to this site and chirp off whenever I feel like it. I am anti Canuck and always will be. Get used to seeing my name on here!!!!

If your name is going to be appearing on the Canucks board only to trash the team, I would bet on your name not appearing on ANY board at HF soon enough.

And whoever said that Colorado with Joseph is pretty well a certain Stanley Cup.....well, Joseph couldn't get out of Round 1 with the defending champion Red Wings (hell, he couldn't even win a game), so I wouldn't bet on it.

iceburg
09-25-2003, 08:55 PM
The Rangers will pick ahead of Colorado in the waiver draft. Though their goaltending depth isn't as weak as Colorado's they may pick Cujo up to bridge the gap so they can ease Blackburn in a little more. Cujo is an upgrade on Dunham and Dunham is very tradeable (31 years old, save % approx. 0.91, GAA 2.5)

Canadian Chris
09-25-2003, 09:39 PM
How many posts is a guy supposed to have when he has only been joined up for just over a month? Then to boot most of that time was off season time so there wasn't much to talk about. I will come to this site and chirp off whenever I feel like it. I am anti Canuck and always will be. Get used to seeing my name on here!!!!
$5 says he's banned in a week!

Impossibles
09-26-2003, 09:03 AM
The Rangers will pick ahead of Colorado in the waiver draft. Though their goaltending depth isn't as weak as Colorado's they may pick Cujo up to bridge the gap so they can ease Blackburn in a little more. Cujo is an upgrade on Dunham and Dunham is very tradeable (31 years old, save % approx. 0.91, GAA 2.5)

Sather already said they have no interest in Cujo. They are very happy with Dunham, and he's much cheaper than Cujo.

Also, I just don't see a team picking up Cujo for the full $8M when detroit has already said that they will eat a large chunk of his salary. It just doens't make sense.

jeffbrown
09-26-2003, 09:55 AM
Interesting news if true. But say Colorado picks decides to pickup Cujo, wouldn't they need to expose another player?

Question: when it comes to the waiver draft, are goalies separated from the skaters? So, for example, you can protect a maximum of 2 goalies?

If the answer is yes, then Colorado might not have a problem. Aebeischer is probably exempt as is Sauve. All it would seem to cost Colorado is $$$.

Having said that, I think it is unlikely Cujo goes anywhere in the waiver draft. No one major ever seems to get picked up through that method.

Yammer
09-26-2003, 11:50 AM
Could Burke be ready to blow up the Naslund cap?

Bertuzzi could be a $9M player...

If CuJo restructures his contract (maybe taking deferred money), then...

I'm not sure that CuJo is a lock to get us in the championship but, Cloutier, ugh.

NFITO
09-26-2003, 12:06 PM
Interesting news if true. But say Colorado picks decides to pickup Cujo, wouldn't they need to expose another player?

Question: when it comes to the waiver draft, are goalies separated from the skaters? So, for example, you can protect a maximum of 2 goalies?

If the answer is yes, then Colorado might not have a problem. Aebeischer is probably exempt as is Sauve. All it would seem to cost Colorado is $$$.

Having said that, I think it is unlikely Cujo goes anywhere in the waiver draft. No one major ever seems to get picked up through that method.

Colorado would have no waiver problems picking up Cujo... they only have one goalie to protect - Aesbiser - Sauve doesn't need to be protected.

so that still leaves them with 18 skaters they can protect - which they will be fine with.

I could see Colorado picking him up... they are really the only team I think that would.

New York does pick before them, but in order to pick up Cujo, they would have to unprotect Markannen (or Dunham), and it looks like they're going with that duo this year - which is fine for them.... Richter will be left unprotected (unless he officially retires before that), and Blackburn is exempt.

No one else other than Colorado needs a goalie right now... I think it's a safe bet for Detroit to expose him - even if he gets picked up, it's good news for them ditching his 3 yr contract - and I doubt they are really worried too much about Colorado getting him.

but I bet that he'll pass through waivers without any interest, then possibly get dealt later in the season, with the Wings picking up a significant chunk of his salary.

as far as major players getting picked up on waivers, this year may be the exception to the rule... there will be major players probably available just because of salary, like Cujo, and Turgeon, and maybe some others...

but there is a good possibility of a Martin St.Louis type story... we had a mini-one like that in Gelinas a few years back.

NFITO
09-26-2003, 12:10 PM
Could Burke be ready to blow up the Naslund cap?

Bertuzzi could be a $9M player...

If CuJo restructures his contract (maybe taking deferred money), then...

I'm not sure that CuJo is a lock to get us in the championship but, Cloutier, ugh.

do you expect Burke to blow up the Naslund cap in the season when he's negotiating with Bertuzzi?? the cap may well blow up, but it will only be blown up by Bertuzzi, not by another player being brought in.

besides, even if Cujo defers some money, we're maxed out already after all our signings... and in such a market, Burke isn't the type of GM to deal for Cujo, then *hope* he can move Cloutier or Hedberg (at a time when there is no market for goalies)... he didn't waste a 2nd round pick to put Hedberg on waivers, and possibly pay him over a mill to play in Manitoba - and picking up Cujo could force that (or someone else to be lost on waivers).

our goaltending - like it or not - is set for this season.

PhillyNucksFan
09-26-2003, 12:23 PM
First of all, well, simple reason, I live in Vancouver, and I am just here in philly for my internship, besides, nucks are much more entertaining to watch vs philly anyway.

after reading some of you guys thought, I still dont get why, even the TSN news are reporting that CuJo "WILL BE" left unprotected and NO ONE will pickhim up..? i wonder if Mackenzie on crack that he forgot about Avs picking him up?? Rangers, as noted, have no interest in CuJo for now, so are the Bruins.

I dont know that much about how exactly waiver draft goes and how people pick/lose, but as far as i am concerned, I really dont see why Lacroix wouldnt be picking up CuJo for free, costing him only just the 8M..

True that CuJu never went deep in the playoff, but I'd say he is more reliable and better than Abisher. no?

and HOW can Detroit NOT worried about Avs picking him up.. same conference.. Avs' doing well means Wing's diminishing chances of reaching the final. I dont think they would want to play the Avs with CuJo in the second round...?

WAIT, they wont meet anyway, because one of them will probably be eliminated by the nucks in 2nd round.. :handclap: :handclap:

SopelFan*
09-26-2003, 02:13 PM
For someone who has 17 posts you're quite vocal.

When you reach a 1777 posts... come back and visit okay? :D
So a person's post total accounts for overall respect and how knowledgable they are? Not saying this idiot is, but that is a blatantly stupid comment. :)

ping
09-26-2003, 02:31 PM
So a person's post total accounts for overall respect and how knowledgable they are? Not saying this idiot is, but that is a blatantly stupid comment. :)

I totally agree. It's like that at a lot of message boards and I just don't get it. It doesn't matter how many posts you have. A stupid comment is a stupid comment whether it comes from someone who's just signed up or someone who's been around for years.

SopelFan*
09-26-2003, 02:34 PM
I totally agree. It's like that at a lot of message boards and I just don't get it. It doesn't matter how many posts you have. A stupid comment is a stupid comment whether it comes from someone who's just signed up or someone who's been around for years.
*disreguards this post because the member had only 70 posts* :p

WinstonSmith
09-26-2003, 02:45 PM
*disreguards this post because the member had only 70 posts* :p


Canucks coach Marc Crawford sends scouts out round the world looking for a new center to replace Marcus Naslund and hopefully win Vancouver the Stanley Cup. One of his scouts informs him of a young Iraqi center who he thinks will turn out to be a true superstar. So Marc flies to Iraq to watch him and is impressed and arranges for him to come over to G.M. Place.

Two weeks later Vancouver are down 4-0 at home to Montreal with only 8 minites left.

Marc gives the young Iraqi center the nod to go on and he puts him on in place of Naslund.

The lad is a sensation, scores 5 goals in 8 minutes and wins the game for Vancouver. The fans are delighted, the players and coaches are delighted and the media love the new star.

When he comes off the ice he phones his mum to tell her about his first day in the NHL. Hi Mum, guess what? I played for 8 minutes today, we were down 4-0 but I scored 5 goals and we won. Everyone loves me, the fans, the players and the media, they all love me.

great says his Mum, let me tell you about my day. Your father got shot in the streets, your sister and I were ***** and beatened, and your brother has joined a gang of looters while you were having a great time.

The young lad is very upset. what can I say Mum, but I'm so sorry. Sorry says the Mum, it's your damned fault that we moved to Surrey in the first place.

Canadian Chris
09-26-2003, 02:47 PM
it is true though

but for a guy with ONLY 17 posts, and coming in acting like an ass, that's a little harsh, and I really don't think Jewelly's comments were out of place

I mean, there's a lot of posters out there, who have just signed out recently and they have great insight, but that guy(or girl) has added nothing to the boards that I can see....they came on and acted like an idiot.

Canadian Chris
09-26-2003, 02:48 PM
*disreguards this post because the member had only 70 posts* :p
it is true though

but for a guy with ONLY 17 posts, and coming in acting like an ass, that's a little harsh, and I really don't think Jewelly's comments were out of place

I mean, there's a lot of posters out there, who have just signed out recently and they have great insight, but that guy(or girl) has added nothing to the boards that I can see....they came on and acted like an idiot.

Jewelly
09-26-2003, 04:19 PM
So a person's post total accounts for overall respect and how knowledgable they are? Not saying this idiot is, but that is a blatantly stupid comment. :)
Whatever. I'm in no mood to challenge you right now. Maybe later.

BTW: calling someone's comment "stupid" doesn't exactly make you look exceptionally brilliant either.

Try using your words more.

Aerolanche
09-26-2003, 04:27 PM
I live on Vancouver Island and cheer for the Flyers.

Where on Vancouver Island?

I'll teach 'em!

;)

NFITO
09-26-2003, 04:46 PM
First of all, well, simple reason, I live in Vancouver, and I am just here in philly for my internship, besides, nucks are much more entertaining to watch vs philly anyway.

after reading some of you guys thought, I still dont get why, even the TSN news are reporting that CuJo "WILL BE" left unprotected and NO ONE will pickhim up..? i wonder if Mackenzie on crack that he forgot about Avs picking him up?? Rangers, as noted, have no interest in CuJo for now, so are the Bruins.

I dont know that much about how exactly waiver draft goes and how people pick/lose, but as far as i am concerned, I really dont see why Lacroix wouldnt be picking up CuJo for free, costing him only just the 8M..

True that CuJu never went deep in the playoff, but I'd say he is more reliable and better than Abisher. no?

and HOW can Detroit NOT worried about Avs picking him up.. same conference.. Avs' doing well means Wing's diminishing chances of reaching the final. I dont think they would want to play the Avs with CuJo in the second round...?

WAIT, they wont meet anyway, because one of them will probably be eliminated by the nucks in 2nd round.. :handclap: :handclap:

there are a lot of reasons why Colorado would skip over Cujo... IMO more reasons then there are to select him in the waiver draft.

1) the guy might be making $8mill a year, but he's also got 3 years on his deal - so that's $8 mill a year for 2 seasons into the new CBA - which is something which every team is concerned about, even the Rangers.

2) he gets an extra year on his contract if he does well in the playoffs... he doesn't need to win the Cup, just win a few rounds, and another $8mill gets tacked on again into the new CBA.

3) any team that picks him up, picks up his no-trade clause as well... if he tanks, they're stuck with him and his salary and multiyear deal... he essentially has the right to veto any deal - which kills his value further.

4) goalie market... there is a very weak goalie market out there, and there are a few young goalies that could push the market even more... for example, say if Colorado picks up Cujo and his contract, and then Buffalo makes Biron available because of the development of Miller and Noronen... what happens then?? well Colorado has already invested tons of money on a player with a no-trade clause, where as another one who isn't any worse, and if so, marginally, while being younger and having more upside, and comes in at less than a quarter of the cost... it's just a bad business move right now to get tied down to such a contract in such a weak goaltending market.

other names that could surface include Dafoe, Burke, Khabibulin... hell even Turek... even Richter could prove to be healthy again and want one last crack at another Cup - and a one year deal for him makes more sense than a 3+ year deal for Cujo.

There are lots of reasons why Colorado should, and likely will, stay away from Cujo during the waiver draft, and why no other team will likely touch him... any success he has, just makes his contract worse, because it's another year at those $$ under a new and unpredictable CBA structure.

the second question - why would Detroit not worry about him going to the Avs??

well, it's not that there is zero worry... but the worry is insignifcant if the reward is losing that contract... he's a good goalie, but Detroit knows they have one better, and it's not like Cujo hasn't taken a huge load of the blame for their loss in the 1st round last year... Detroit wouldn't be giving up a superstar here... they would be moving a good veteran goalie, who's got question marks in his game and near the end of his career has yet to prove he can take a team to the Cup.... of course they'd rather that an Eastern team takes him... but in the end, they'd rather he's a starter on the Avs, then sitting in the press box, or playing on the farm making $8mill a year.


if I had to guess... I would say that Colorado is waiting to get their hands on Burke... he's a short term solution, which is what Colorado wants... his salary is reasonable, which could give them the flexibility to add something else at the deadline... considering the market, his trade value isn't that high.

I don't see the Avs waiting to see if Aebischer works out... this is more a media line and PR move IMO than any other strategy... even if he's playing great, do you go into the playoffs with someone of his experience, when you have a loaded roster, if the cost to upgrade experience there isn't that high?

the wait though IMO is to see how the season goes for the teams involved in the deal... it's unlikely that another team could surface looking for Burke as things stand now, and Phoenix stands a real chance of losing him for nothing to FA if they don't deal him... they could be in a non-playoff situation, increasing the need to move him, while the Avs could be doing fine with Aebisher, which decreases the trade value for Burke as the demand isn't as high because the Avs won't be in a pressure situation to acquire him.

Both these situations (for Phoenix being out of the playoffs, and the Avs doing fine during the season) is not only possible, but probable... so why give up Tanguay and/or Skoula now... or add $8mill to the payroll now.. when waiting till the deadline could only cost them a prospect and a pick for a starting goalie for a fraction of that payroll cost?

SopelFan*
09-26-2003, 05:02 PM
Whatever. I'm in no mood to challenge you right now. Maybe later.

BTW: calling someone's comment "stupid" doesn't exactly make you look exceptionally brilliant either.

Try using your words more.
No.

PhillyNucksFan
09-26-2003, 06:52 PM
there are a lot of reasons why Colorado would skip over Cujo... IMO more reasons then there are to select him in the waiver draft.

1) the guy might be making $8mill a year, but he's also got 3 years on his deal - so that's $8 mill a year for 2 seasons into the new CBA - which is something which every team is concerned about, even the Rangers.

2) he gets an extra year on his contract if he does well in the playoffs... he doesn't need to win the Cup, just win a few rounds, and another $8mill gets tacked on again into the new CBA.

3) any team that picks him up, picks up his no-trade clause as well... if he tanks, they're stuck with him and his salary and multiyear deal... he essentially has the right to veto any deal - which kills his value further.

4) goalie market... there is a very weak goalie market out there, and there are a few young goalies that could push the market even more... for example, say if Colorado picks up Cujo and his contract, and then Buffalo makes Biron available because of the development of Miller and Noronen... what happens then?? well Colorado has already invested tons of money on a player with a no-trade clause, where as another one who isn't any worse, and if so, marginally, while being younger and having more upside, and comes in at less than a quarter of the cost... it's just a bad business move right now to get tied down to such a contract in such a weak goaltending market.

other names that could surface include Dafoe, Burke, Khabibulin... hell even Turek... even Richter could prove to be healthy again and want one last crack at another Cup - and a one year deal for him makes more sense than a 3+ year deal for Cujo.

There are lots of reasons why Colorado should, and likely will, stay away from Cujo during the waiver draft, and why no other team will likely touch him... any success he has, just makes his contract worse, because it's another year at those $$ under a new and unpredictable CBA structure.

the second question - why would Detroit not worry about him going to the Avs??

well, it's not that there is zero worry... but the worry is insignifcant if the reward is losing that contract... he's a good goalie, but Detroit knows they have one better, and it's not like Cujo hasn't taken a huge load of the blame for their loss in the 1st round last year... Detroit wouldn't be giving up a superstar here... they would be moving a good veteran goalie, who's got question marks in his game and near the end of his career has yet to prove he can take a team to the Cup.... of course they'd rather that an Eastern team takes him... but in the end, they'd rather he's a starter on the Avs, then sitting in the press box, or playing on the farm making $8mill a year.


if I had to guess... I would say that Colorado is waiting to get their hands on Burke... he's a short term solution, which is what Colorado wants... his salary is reasonable, which could give them the flexibility to add something else at the deadline... considering the market, his trade value isn't that high.

I don't see the Avs waiting to see if Aebischer works out... this is more a media line and PR move IMO than any other strategy... even if he's playing great, do you go into the playoffs with someone of his experience, when you have a loaded roster, if the cost to upgrade experience there isn't that high?

the wait though IMO is to see how the season goes for the teams involved in the deal... it's unlikely that another team could surface looking for Burke as things stand now, and Phoenix stands a real chance of losing him for nothing to FA if they don't deal him... they could be in a non-playoff situation, increasing the need to move him, while the Avs could be doing fine with Aebisher, which decreases the trade value for Burke as the demand isn't as high because the Avs won't be in a pressure situation to acquire him.

Both these situations (for Phoenix being out of the playoffs, and the Avs doing fine during the season) is not only possible, but probable... so why give up Tanguay and/or Skoula now... or add $8mill to the payroll now.. when waiting till the deadline could only cost them a prospect and a pick for a starting goalie for a fraction of that payroll cost?


Thanks, you answered EXACTLY what i asked/confused about.

:)

now i see why Avs probably wont be picking up cujo.. sounds pretty reasonable too. I almost forgot about Burke is still out there and only 1/2 of what cujo makes.