For the guitar players- Dementia Radio guitarist poll

19
09-25-2003, 09:56 PM
Apparently, Dementia Radio decided to do their own poll to put Rolling Stone's lame list to shame. This list reads like a who's who of guitar - or more like a guitarist's guitarist list.

here's the link : http://www.dementiaradio.com/guitarpoll/

here's the list :

RANK First Name Last Name
1 John Petrucci
2 Steve Vai
3 Eddie Van Halen
4 Jimmy Page
5 Joe Satriani
6 Randy Rhoads
7 Jimi Hendrix
8 Alex Lifeson
9 Chuck Shuldiner
10 Yngwie Malmsteen
11 Zakk Wylde
12 Stevie Ray Vaughn
13 David Gilmour
14 Tony Iommi
15 Eric Clapton
16 Dave Mustaine
17 Dimebag Darrel
18 Frank Zappa
19 Michael Romeo
20 Dave Murray
21 Paul Gilbert
22 Alex Skolnick
23 Eric Johnson
24 BB King
25 Brian May
26 James Hetfield
27 Slash
28 Steve Morse
29 Jason Becker
30 Nuno Bettencourt
31 Adrian Smith
32 Angus Young
33 Devin Townsend
34 Marty Friedman
35 Al DiMeola
36 Jeff Beck
37 Kerry King
38 Mattias Eklundh
39 Michael Amott
40 Allan Holdsworth
41 Steve Howe
42 Trey Azagthoth
43 George Harrison
44 Jerry Cantrell
45 Kirk Hammet
46 KK Downing
47 Mark Knopfler
48 Tony MacAlpine
49 Les Paul
50 Chris Brooks
51 Jon Schaffer
52 Neal Schon
53 Lindsey Buckingham
54 Chris DeGarmo
55 Glenn Tipton
56 Jeff Loomis
57 Robin Trower
58 Buckethead
59 James Murphy
60 Ritchie Blackmore
61 Steve Lukather
62 Steve Hackett
63 Carlos Santana
64 Vito Bratta
65 George Lynch
66 Jake E. Lee
67 John McLaughlin
68 Ron Thal
69 Django Reinhardt
70 Vernon Reid
71 Al Pitrelli
72 Frankie Gambale
73 Mathias Jabbs
74 Micheal Schenker
75 Paco deLucia
76 Pat Metheny
77 Reb Beach
78 Tom Morello
79 Jim Matheos
80 Peter Frampton
81 Rik Emmett
82 Ronnie LeTekro
83 Michael Angelo
84 Ted Nugent
85 Johnny Ramone
86 Alan Morse
87 Andy Timmons
88 Gary Moore
89 Joe Stump
90 Trevor Rabin
91 Vinnie Moore
92 Wolf Hoffman
93 Chet Atkins
94 Andrés Segovia
95 Chris Impellitteri
96 Chris Poland
97 Criss Oliva
98 Michael Wilton
99 Mike Keneally
100 Mille Petrozza
101 Roy Z
102 Tom Scholz
103 Ty Tabor
104 Vivian Campbell
105 Warren DiMartini
106 Ronnie Montrose
107 Nancy Wilson
108 Adrian Belew
109 Jeff Healey
110 Dweezil Zappa
111 Jeff Waters
112 John Sykes
113 Stephan Lill
114 Steve Clark
115 Steve Rothery
116 the Arnott brothers
117 Pat Travers
118 Adrian Vandenberg
119 Uli Jon Roth
120 Dave Navarro
121 Alvin Lee
122 Steve Miller
123 Richie Sambora
124 Gary Hoey
125 Joe Pass
126 Jon Finn
127 Michael Hedges
128 Mike Stern
129 Nood les
130 Phil Keaggy
131 Rick Nielsen
132 Shawn Lane
133 Stanley Clarke
134 Doug Aldrich
135 Randy Johnson
136 Ace Frehley
137 Duane Allman
138 Loe Kottke
139 Pete Townshend
140 Bonnie Raitt
141 Brad Gillis
142 Blues Saraceno
143 Chris Duarte
144 David Gallegos
145 Dominic Miller
146 Eric Sardinas
147 Jennifer Batten
148 Mark Kendall
149 Scott Henderson
150 Timo Tolkki
151 Tommy Vetterli
152 Gus G
153 Leslie West
154 Johnny Winter
155 John Norum
156 Jeff Watson
157 Adrian Legg
158 Michael LeeFirkins
159 Tommy Bolin
160 Robert Johnson
161 Glen Campbell
162 Larry Carlton
163 Gary Richrath
164 Marc Bolan

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Zodiac
09-25-2003, 10:02 PM
A huge improvement over the Rolling Stone list. HUGE.

lux_interior
09-25-2003, 10:04 PM
164 Marc Bolan


Funny this one's my favorite of those listed (by far). And it's last on the list. Goes to show how subjective taste is.

monkey_00*
09-25-2003, 10:05 PM
I must admit this version is much better than the one that Rolling Stone magazine came out with not too long ago........HOWEVER, I do have a problem with Carlos Santana at the #63 position.

19
09-25-2003, 10:13 PM
I must admit this version is much better than the one that Rolling Stone magazine came out with not too long ago........HOWEVER, I do have a problem with Carlos Santana at the #63 position.

They put Lifeson in the top 10 and dropped Santana down so basically those 2 switched places from the Rolling Stone list.

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19
09-25-2003, 10:14 PM
A huge improvement over the Rolling Stone list. HUGE.


DITTO!

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Triple Klutz
09-26-2003, 10:05 AM
Jeff Beck at 36? John McLaughlin 67? Adrian Belew 108? Duane Allman freaking 137? Leo Kottke 138? And where's Phil Manzanera? The list is every bit as bad as Rolling Stone's.

Triple Klutz
09-26-2003, 10:11 AM
Also no Roy Buchanan. It's official. It's a joke.

DallasStars2003
09-26-2003, 10:32 AM
That list truly does put Rolling Stone's list to shame.

19
09-26-2003, 12:39 PM
That list truly does put Rolling Stone's list to shame.

Indeed. When's the next guitarist poll?

canadaboy evidently remains clueless.

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jmelm
09-26-2003, 02:14 PM
I'm glad to see Nuno Bettencourt so hight. A great, great guitarist.

Every list will have some issues and oversights, but the Rolling Stone list is the worst I have EVER seen. Jack White at # 17? :lol:

Brad*
09-26-2003, 02:29 PM
While better then the Rolling Stone list, I still think it's a pretty shoddy list. There is some really, really good players missing - namely Mike McCready of Pearl Jam. If you've ever seen them play live, you know he's good enough to make the top 164 on his worst day, and you could make an argument for top 25 - or better IMO.

Still, way better than Rolling Stones list.

abbygal
09-26-2003, 03:30 PM
Where's Joe Perry?

No Quarter
09-26-2003, 03:42 PM
This list has goods and bads.
First off some unjustified picks(rated lower than should have been)
Duane Allman, the biggest debacle on this list rated at 137, the guy should be top 5 to 7 material.
Other guitarists such as Jeff Healy at 109, Tom Scholz at 102 are deffinate top 50 guys and guys like Frank Zappa, Micheal Schenker, and Carlos Santana are all top 10 in my book.
Jeff Beck, Blackmore, Neal Schon, and George Lynch are all top 25.
And it also sucks that guitar greats such as Roy Buchanon, Roy Clarke, Buck Owens and Vince Gill weren't even mentioned.
Especailly the Duane Allman ranking is just plain assnine.
A couple guys got good rankings because of their name such as John Petrucci( a great one but he goes about 20 in my listing), Eddie Van Halen you can justify him at 3 more than where Rolling Stone had him( I think around 80 or something) but I could probably put 10 or 15 ahead of him, and Angus young in my opinion should be around 75 or so. And Zakk Wilde at 11, myself persoally i think Jake E. Lee is the better axe player.

Now some good things.
I really like how they gave Vai and Satrani the recognition they very much deserve. Especailly Vai, the guy is an absolute freak with those Ibanez's(my opinion the best sounding guitar on the market).
I like that Paul Gilbert got a good ranking( I don't even think he cracked the other list).
I love that Malmsteen cracked the top 10. Yngwie may be the MOST
UNDERRATED guitar player in history.
Also David Gilmour at 13 maybe 5 or 1o spots too high but definately top 25 material. The Rolling Stone ranking of Gilmour may have been the biggest joke on that list.
And I really like Lindsay Buckingham at 53. The guy is just a super musician and songwriter.
I also like the fact that heavy metal guitarists like Chris Degarmo of Queensryche, Alex Skonick of Testament and Kerry King of Slayer got some recognition.
Also I was happy to see acouple personal favs of mine didn't get overlooked such as Dave Murray of Iron Maiden and Rik Emmet Of Triumph to very underrated guys(especially Emmet).
Also one more guy from my hometown I was glad to see didn't get over looked was the great Reb Beach.

Well that's what I came up with after I gave it a quick look.
Duane Allman 137.:rolleyes:
:lol::lol::lol:

No Quarter
09-26-2003, 06:18 PM
Another guy that should be ranked a helluva lot higher is Warren DiMartini from Ratt.
And also were is Jerry Garcia, he's a fabulous guitar player.:dunno:

Triple Klutz
09-26-2003, 08:00 PM
Another guy that should be ranked a helluva lot higher is Warren DiMartini from Ratt.
And also were is Jerry Garcia, he's a fabulous guitar player.:dunno:

Stop it, now. You're poking holes in 19's "who's who" of guitar players. A who's who that doesn't include Roy Buchanan, Richard Thompson, Jerry Garcia, Robert Fripp, Phil Manzanera, Lenny Breau, Adrian Belew, Neil Young, Danny Gatton, Robbie Robertson, Mick Ronson, Buddy Guy, Peter Green, Wes Montgomery, John Fogerty, Dickey Betts, Sonny Landreth, Eddie Hazel, Mike Bloomfield and ranks Duane Allman 137th. As flawed as the Rolling Stone list is, it at least recognizes the greatness of most of these guys while the Dementia list caters too heavily to metalheads.

Good God, Tony Iommi at 14 but Duane Allman at 137? It boggles the mind. But what do I know, I'm clueless.

19
09-26-2003, 10:38 PM
I'm glad to see Nuno Bettencourt so hight. A great, great guitarist.

Every list will have some issues and oversights, but the Rolling Stone list is the worst I have EVER seen. Jack White at # 17? :lol:

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better. That clinched it's credibility for me too when I saw Nuno go so high. While the RS list had Lifeson in the middle of the pack, this better list had him top 10. Some folks will always find something to ***** about in a list about omissions and rankings and none is perfect - that's the fun of posting and chatting about lists - but this one comes about as close to a good one (especially for all encompassing) as I've seen while the majority know the Rolling Stone one is THE WORST. For anyone, like canadaboy, to think it's the same as the RS one or "a joke" is just pure cluelessness on display. And not being able to notice the difference.

I'll take listeners of Dementia's station's polling opinions over those of ad driven wannabe hacks who also listed Madonna and Michael Jackson as top 5 "musicians" anyday. But maybe some rare types value the opinion of those who rank Madonna and the perverted gloved one that way. The clueless ones, that is.

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Triple Klutz
09-27-2003, 04:20 AM
For anyone, like canadaboy, to think it's the same as the RS one or "a joke" is just pure cluelessness on display. And not being able to notice the difference.

I have noticed the differences, and in fact have listed the differences, but all you've done in response is call me names and make note of my nationality a couple of times. The typical response of a guy who probably doesn't know as much as he pretends to. I'm guessing you've never actually heard Buchanan, Gatton, Mazanera, Green or Thompson. Any list that doesn't have these guys on it isn't a "who's who" and is just as bad as the list you're slamming.

Zodiac
09-27-2003, 08:07 AM
It's nice to see that this list has some of my favorites. Guys like ...

Dave Gilmour
Randy Rhodes
Alex Skolnick
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Steve Morse
Nuno Bettencourt
Kirk Hammet
Steve Howe



That Rolling Stone list was pretty lame.

19
09-27-2003, 03:31 PM
I have noticed the differences, and in fact have listed the differences, but all you've done in response is call me names and make note of my nationality a couple of times. The typical response of a guy who probably doesn't know as much as he pretends to. I'm guessing you've never actually heard Buchanan, Gatton, Mazanera, Green or Thompson. Any list that doesn't have these guys on it isn't a "who's who" and is just as bad as the list you're slamming.

You've just noticed the negative differences. This list has 120 more things right than it does wrong as many here have said with the comparison to RS. Leave it to you not to notice or acknowledge the positive ones. You'd guess wrong about me not knowing some of those players. But at least you're consistent, you've been wrong about everything else too. Like the list catering to metalheads when there are a couple of progressive players and mostly hard rock players and only a couple of metal types in the top 10. Hey canadaboy, do you play guitar?? Or do you just pretend to know music?? Your avatar, personaility and wrtitten words here leave you open to the true labels being applied. If you can't handle that I suggest you don't try if you don't want to be called on it.

Have you noticed you are the only person in this thread who thinks that this list is as bad as the Rolling Stone one? That pretty much says it all.

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No Quarter
09-27-2003, 06:05 PM
You've just noticed the negative differences. This list has 120 more things right than it does wrong as many here have said with the comparison to RS. Leave it to you not to notice or acknowledge the positive ones. You'd guess wrong about me not knowing some of those players. But at least you're consistent, you've been wrong about everything else too. Like the list catering to metalheads when there are a couple of progressive players and mostly hard rock players and only a couple of metal types in the top 10. Hey canadaboy, do you play guitar?? Or do you just pretend to know music?? Your avatar, personaility and wrtitten words here leave you open to the true labels being applied. If you can't handle that I suggest you don't try if you don't want to be called on it.

Have you noticed you are the only person in this thread who thinks that this list is as bad as the Rolling Stone one? That pretty much says it all.

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I really respect your opinion on music after reading your posts for the past year and a half or so but the Duane Allman thing was very bad, even you have to admit.

Malakian#13
09-28-2003, 12:13 AM
Another guy that should be ranked a helluva lot higher is Warren DiMartini from Ratt.
And also were is Jerry Garcia, he's a fabulous guitar player.:dunno:

see the words a non girly-man should never say list post #1 :joker:

Triple Klutz
09-28-2003, 04:03 PM
Your avatar, personaility and wrtitten words here leave you open to the true labels being applied. If you can't handle that I suggest you don't try if you don't want to be called on it.

Geez, buddy, who crapped in your cornflakes? Why don't you try disputing my points instead of insulting me. Are you always like this when people don't agree with you? I'm not sure what my avatar and personality have to do with my opinions on the greatest guitar players of all time, but I'm willing to listen.

But at least you're consistent, you've been wrong about everything else too. Like the list catering to metalheads when there are a couple of progressive players and mostly hard rock players and only a couple of metal types in the top 10.

A couple of progressive players out of a list of 164 players. You think that's a lot? A couple of metal types in the Top 10? I noticed you stopped there because there's a least 20 in the Top 50 and more you could list as either metal or hard rock. I didn't bother going further than that. Their lone country player, as far as I can see, is Glenn Campbell, for crying out loud. What about Chet Atkins, one of the most influential pickers ever?

Hey canadaboy, do you play guitar?? Or do you just pretend to know music?

Ahhh, we get to the condescending, self-righteous heart of it. 19 plays guitar so only 19 knows good guitar players. Do you also play in the NHL? Have you ever played hockey at all? I'd better not see you expressing an opinion about hockey then.


Have you noticed you are the only person in this thread who thinks that this list is as bad as the Rolling Stone one? That pretty much says it all.

Actually I see others who have problems with the list, too, but I'm not surprised I'm in the minority. Most people on this board weren't around before 1980 and I suspect the listeners of Radio Dementia are probably from the same demographic. It's no surprise, then, that they'd pick a guy who wears a bucket of chicken on his head instead of Ry Cooder, Peter Green or Richard Thompson -- guys they've probably never heard of let alone heard play.

The fact is, the Dementia list had 64 more spots than RS and still couldn't get it right. It's slanted heavily to metal and hard rock and barely recognizes anyone before 1970. There are plenty of great players on it, but it has holes you could drive a truck through.

As stupid as RS was for putting Cobain and Jack White on their list, placing Van Halen 70th and mostly ignoring modern players, Dementia does an even shoddier job by ranking Duane Allman 137th and ignoring some of the best, most influential players of the last century. The RS list, at least, covers most of the bases in much less space.

Here's an interesting story on the good and bad about the RS list:

www.surburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/features/e25ggods.htm

I don't mind debating this if you want to, but leave the taunts and insults for recess.

19
10-01-2003, 01:40 PM
**Geez, buddy, who crapped in your cornflakes? Why don't you try disputing my points instead of insulting me. Are you always like this when people don't agree with you? I'm not sure what my avatar and personality have to do with my opinions on the greatest guitar players of all time, but I'm willing to listen.**

We're not buddies. And who put a hockey stick up your derriere? You alone here think this list is as bad as RS's when everyone else has said the opposite. And you assume others didn't know of your fav "influential" players. So because of that you think "I pretend to know more than I do" because some of your fav players didn't make the better list by consensus. You can disagree all you want but you look pretty foolish in the process as being the only one. Do you always questions people's credibility because they disagree with you? (ie - the poll providers and listeners of the station and me) Is your avatar not of a canadaboy? Am I not speaking the truth? You can't see past my true labels for my points. If you can't see how your personality has turned a fun list and topic of fun into what it did then I'm not suprised you can't see other things that other people in this thread have seen.

**A couple of progressive players out of a list of 164 players. You think that's a lot? A couple of metal types in the Top 10? I noticed you stopped there because there's a least 20 in the Top 50 and more you could list as either metal or hard rock. I didn't bother going further than that. Their lone country player, as far as I can see, is Glenn Campbell, for crying out loud. What about Chet Atkins, one of the most influential pickers ever?**

I said there were a couple of progressive players out of the top 10 list not out of all 164. Reading is fundamental, comprehension is divine. Try the latter sometime. You said the list catered to metalheads and were wrong. For your information, Dementia radio station prides itself on exposing artists less known than the popular ones to expose all types of music. They even say on their site they particularly plug and play progressive types and lesser known hard rock types. (And then maybe metal but the emphasis is on all music.) Progressive types don't have as many players in sheer numbers as other types so even with that criteria they had the best representation you'll find anywhere on this list. If your favs aren't in there that's not an indication of the list, moreso that they couldn't make the cut according to consensus. A consensus most think is better than RS except you.


**Ahhh, we get to the condescending, self-righteous heart of it. 19 plays guitar so only 19 knows good guitar players. Do you also play in the NHL? Have you ever played hockey at all? I'd better not see you expressing an opinion about hockey then.**

You never answered the question. I'll take that as a no. Or a no to legitimate playing anyway such as session work or CD production such as I. I never said only I know good guitar players. Just another one of your many assumptions that are wrong. Just as you "guessed" I never heard of your fav player names and were wrong. As a player, chances are I'd have heard of them and I did and was asking if you played guitar to have heard of some of the more obscure hard rock, progressive and metal players on the list that you seem to pass judgement on. Judgement whose credibility is lacking in knowledge IMO. See, this is the "personality" part you asked about before. Actually, I have played hockey. Satisfied? But hey, if some canadians or players think they know more about hockey, then it stands to reason that musicians and guitar players will know more about their expertise. I'll express as many opinioins about pucks as I want. From what you've shown, you're weak on both topics and not open to listening but rather numerous posting to prove a minority point as if to save face.


**Actually I see others who have problems with the list, too, but I'm not surprised I'm in the minority. Most people on this board weren't around before 1980 and I suspect the listeners of Radio Dementia are probably from the same demographic. It's no surprise, then, that they'd pick a guy who wears a bucket of chicken on his head instead of Ry Cooder, Peter Green or Richard Thompson -- guys they've probably never heard of let alone heard play.**

Again, reading is fundamental, comprehension is divine. Try the latter sometime. I said you're the only one who thinks this list is as bad as RS's (not that others would naturally find some things wrong as no list is perfect unless the individual writes it themselves). Again, that says it all. FYI, I was around before 1980. So, what a guy wears is more important than his playing ability?? FYI, Dementia's listeners have an average age of 38 which means they were around before 1980. There you go assuming things again and being wrong again. Why do you constantly do that?

**The fact is, the Dementia list had 64 more spots than RS and still couldn't get it right. It's slanted heavily to metal and hard rock and barely recognizes anyone before 1970. There are plenty of great players on it, but it has holes you could drive a truck through.**

The fact is Dementia's list got many more things right than wrong and blows RS's list away. A thought shared by everybody except you. Could it be you're biased towards hard rock, metal and progressive music?

**As stupid as RS was for putting Cobain and Jack White on their list, placing Van Halen 70th and mostly ignoring modern players, Dementia does an even shoddier job by ranking Duane Allman 137th and ignoring some of the best, most influential players of the last century. The RS list, at least, covers most of the bases in much less space.**

Listen canadaboy (as your avatar suggests), there is a reason many of your fav players and non-rock types didn't make the list that everyone besides you thinks is better and there is a reason some of the players you like are on the list everyone but you thinks is worse. Because while some of those players are good, on the whole they aren't AS good. As consensus shows without your arrogance, bias or incorrect assumptions.

The poll initially listed all types of players as options to choose including some of the ones you named. They just couldn't make the grade in the final list. To think it's because of people not being around before 1980 or not being exposed to these types is awfully "condescending and self-righteous" on your part. Many people know the difference between Buchanan, Clark, Atkins and some of the guys who did make the list. That's what recordings are for - people can go and listen to those who played before 1980.

It's very easy to pick out what's wrong with a list and make wrong assumptions but you've yet to quantify or show the fact that more is right with it as others have done. And everyone but you knows Rolling Stone is beyond lame.

I challenge you to find a better list that was done by consensus and not one you've made up based on your individual tastes and biasedness.

There's a movie on the CBC tonight. It's called CLUELESS. I'm sure you can relate.......in more ways than one. School's out.

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Dr Love
10-01-2003, 01:44 PM
A MUCH better list, but it's littered with shredders. Still, a major step in the right direction.

19
10-01-2003, 01:46 PM
I really respect your opinion on music after reading your posts for the past year and a half or so but the Duane Allman thing was very bad, even you have to admit.

Thanks Jimmy. I enjoy reading your thoughts on tunes as well. The Allmans are one of my fav bands. Yes, leaving Duane out was a glaring omission. But again, the list got so many things more right than wrong that I can let it slide. Again, no list will be perfect unless done by an individual themselves. What's most important is the overall quality, content and credibility as a whole.

I would've like some more southern rock types in there like Outlaws and Hatchet too but on the whole the list is solid.

Now, I'm gonna go play some Brothers!!!!

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19
10-01-2003, 01:47 PM
A MUCH better list, but it's littered with shredders. Still, a major step in the right direction.

Even shredder's need love.

They call you Dr. Love. You are the Doctor of Love. - Kiss sort of

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