Best WR Trio in the NFL?

chris_dub
05-28-2005, 08:46 PM
Who has the best 3 Receivers in the league?

Jeffrey
05-28-2005, 08:58 PM
1st
Moss-Porter-Curry ..
close 2nd
Harrison-Wayne-Stokley
3rd
Williams-Rogers-Williams

Vic Rattlehead*
05-28-2005, 09:00 PM
1st
Moss-Porter-Curry ..
close 2nd
Harrison-Wayne-Stokley
3rd
Williams-Rogers-Williams

Assuming Rogers can actually be healthy...

benji
05-28-2005, 09:01 PM
Indianapolis, then St.Louis.

Vic Rattlehead*
05-28-2005, 09:01 PM
To finish your Arizona option, it's Boldin - Fitzgerald - Johnson.

BlueBleeder
05-28-2005, 09:05 PM
#1 Colts
#2 Rams
#3 Raiders

If Cardinals or Lions can stay healthy could shake things up.

Nifty=HHOF
05-28-2005, 09:30 PM
The Indy wideouts, as long as there's no snow and the games not in Foxboro in January. :D

Tuggy
05-28-2005, 09:34 PM
The Jets have a vote? :biglaugh: Gotta love those Jets fans, maybe this year guys :joker:

I voted Oakland....Moss > *

Detox
05-28-2005, 09:34 PM
Talent alone: Da Raiders
Production: Indy

Rank:
1.Indy
2.Raiders
3.Rams (Bruce is degressing)

I agree with the above, the Cards and Lions could make some noise then theyll creep on the top 3

QB will play a huge role as well, the only sure bet out of the 5 teams Ive listed is Manning and maybe Bulger.

Never know which Collins will show up, either hes throwing for 350 yds and 4 tds or hes 9-20 with 3 Ints. Harrington and Warner will have to step it up big time.

BuppY
05-28-2005, 09:42 PM
The Lions.

blah
05-28-2005, 09:43 PM
Colts and Raiders

FearTheFlyers
05-28-2005, 09:45 PM
David Givens is better than Patten or Brown.

Tuggy
05-28-2005, 09:45 PM
David Givens is better than Patten or Brown.

Plus Patten doesn't play for the Pats anymore ;)

FearTheFlyers
05-28-2005, 09:48 PM
What about Seattle?

PredsFan77*
05-28-2005, 09:51 PM
Lions if they can get a QB and all can stay healthy.

Dr Love
05-28-2005, 09:53 PM
What about Seattle?
If we're not going to count holding on the ball, yeah, Seattle is up there.

I like the Bengals trio.

Tuggy
05-28-2005, 09:53 PM
Lions if they can get a QB and all can stay healthy.

The Lions definately have the potential to be the best trio but like you said health is the biggest question mark.

Green Bay's receiving core also doesn't get a lot of press but they are very solid.

Tuggy
05-28-2005, 09:55 PM
If we're not going to count holding on the ball, yeah, Seattle is up there.

I like the Bengals trio.

I like the Bengals trio aswell but when is Warrick ever going to live up to his potential or is he even capable of being a number #1 receiver.

Dr Love
05-28-2005, 09:57 PM
I like the Bengals trio aswell but when is Warrick ever going to live up to his potential or is he even capable of being a number #1 receiver.
Warrick doesn't have to be the #1, Chad Johnson is already established himself as that, he has to be the #2, which he showed he could do two years ago.

Tuggy
05-28-2005, 09:59 PM
Warrick doesn't have to be the #1, Chad Johnson is already established himself as that, he has to be the #2, which he showed he could do two years ago.

I realize that and I suppose in his current situation he doesn't need to be counted on as a #1 receiver. But I just wonder if he could ever be one. He has a lot of talent.

FearTheFlyers
05-28-2005, 09:59 PM
If we're not going to count holding on the ball, yeah, Seattle is up there.

But if we're talking about pure athleticisim, route running and potential, Seattle has to be up there.

Dr Love
05-28-2005, 10:01 PM
But if we're talking about pure athleticisim, route running and potential, Seattle has to be up there. But we're talking about the best WR trios, all skill encompassed, not just the best route runners or whatever. And that includes catching and holding on to the ball. Seattle comes up short in that department.

FearTheFlyers
05-28-2005, 10:38 PM
But we're talking about the best WR trios, all skill encompassed, not just the best route runners or whatever. And that includes catching and holding on to the ball. Seattle comes up short in that department.

But their starting receivers are still young and learning and once they eliminate the drops( and drugs) from their game they will be right up there. I know they drop balls but to be excluded from the poll is ridiculous.

Chileiceman
05-28-2005, 10:43 PM
Right now I think it's Indy. But in a couple years I think that Detroit is going to take their place if, like some people have already said, the get themselves a better quarterback than Joey Harrington.

Dr Love
05-28-2005, 10:43 PM
But their starting receivers are still young and learning and once they eliminate the drops( and drugs) from their game they will be right up there. I know they drop balls but to be excluded from the poll is ridiculous.

Koren Robinson - 25, 4 years in the league, been a starter every season

Darrell Jackson - 27, 5 years in the league, been a full time starter for 4 of them.

Bobby Engram - 32, 9 years in the league

They're not short on experience. Save a career year by Robinson or Jackson, they are what they are.

Riggins
05-28-2005, 10:50 PM
Jimmy Smith, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones. ;)

In reality, Indy. Though a huge reason for that is the guy throwing them the ball.

Tuggy
05-28-2005, 10:51 PM
Jimmy Smith, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones. ;)

In reality, Indy. Though a huge reason for that is the guy throwing them the ball.

Exactly, which is why I don't think they are the best in the league.

Gibsons Finest
05-29-2005, 02:20 AM
Exactly, which is why I don't think they are the best in the league.

Harrison's still great, though, and Wayne is pretty good also. Manning makes Stokely look alot better than he is, though.

I'll still take Indy's WR core. Manning factors in, but the three still do their part.

Evilo
05-29-2005, 02:23 AM
Last year it was a toss up between Indy and Pittsburgh IMO. With Plaxico gone, I'd say Indy.
But Pittsburgh with Ward, Randle El and Wilson could be among the choices here IMO. Much more than the Jets for instance.

FearTheFlyers
05-29-2005, 07:00 AM
Koren Robinson - 25, 4 years in the league, been a starter every season

Darrell Jackson - 27, 5 years in the league, been a full time starter for 4 of them.

That would sugest they are both coming into their primes right?

GB
05-29-2005, 07:43 AM
I'm going for Oakland as most talented, but Indy as most productive, although that obviously comes mostly from the QBs involved.

BTW, aren't the Bengals cutting Peter Warrick because of injury concerns?

Vic Rattlehead*
05-29-2005, 08:33 AM
Jimmy Smith, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones. ;)

In reality, Indy. Though a huge reason for that is the guy throwing them the ball.


Don't worry, in 5-7 years, we'll be talking about Williams, Jones, and Wilford. :teach:

The Flash
05-29-2005, 08:47 AM
I find it funny that Detroit is tied for 2nd with the Raiders for being the second best trio of WRs in the league, even though none of their top 3 WRs have caught for 1000 yards or 10 TDs in this league. If this poll was done amongst NFL people there is no way they would be among the top 5 overall. They have the talent to be there, but these guys have done nothing in the NFL.

Roy Williams - Show alot of promise in his rookie year, but so did Clayton and Lee Evens.
Charles Rogers - Can't stay healthy.
Mike Williams - Hasn't played football in a game for 1.5 years.

If you ask me, fans are getting worked up for nothing right now. But, I will digress and say that's what fans do and that's ok. Just so long as they realize the reality of the situation. My top 5.

1. Raiders - Begins and ends with the best WR in football: Randy Moss
2. Indianapolis - They have had trouble with the Pats, but so has everyone save Terrell Owens.
3. Rams - Not much you can say when you have the 4th and 5th best receiving leaders in the league.
Cincinati - They could move up a notch if Warrick proves healthy.
4.

To me, these are clearly the best teams in terms of WR. Then you could start to argue any number of teams such as Buf, Ten, Den, Min, Hou.

Tuggy
05-29-2005, 09:11 AM
Harrison's still great, though, and Wayne is pretty good also. Manning makes Stokely look alot better than he is, though.

I'll still take Indy's WR core. Manning factors in, but the three still do their part.

Manning is the MAIN reason for their success.

Moss > Harrison
Porter > Wayne
Curry < Stokley (just basing off the last couple of seasons because I still think Curry is a better receiver then Stokley)

Now do you disagree or agree with those comparisons? Because I really don't think you can disagree. Indy's receiving core is good, don't get me wrong but just not the best.

DaaaaB's
05-29-2005, 12:09 PM
Tough call between Oakland, Indy and Detroit. Since the Raiders and Lions are my two favorite teams it came down to them and I picked the Lions. They have so much potential on their receiving corps.

Gibsons Finest
05-29-2005, 01:26 PM
Manning is the MAIN reason for their success.

Moss > Harrison
Porter > Wayne
Curry < Stokley (just basing off the last couple of seasons because I still think Curry is a better receiver then Stokley)

Now do you disagree or agree with those comparisons? Because I really don't think you can disagree. Indy's receiving core is good, don't get me wrong but just not the best.

I'd take Harrison over Moss, but that's just me. Honestly, I'd say it's about even between the two, maybe with a slight edge to Moss.

Tuggy
05-29-2005, 06:24 PM
I'd take Harrison over Moss, but that's just me. Honestly, I'd say it's about even between the two, maybe with a slight edge to Moss.

Ya that is just you.

Gibsons Finest
05-29-2005, 06:29 PM
Ya that is just you.

Harrison would be considered in that regard if he had Moss' mouth, but thankfully he doesn't, so he just quietly does well. Personally, if I could pick between the two, I'd take Harrison over Moss every day of the week, and twice on Sundays. There's a reason Minnesota traded received so little in return, and when he was on the block, not too many teams came a knocking.

johnny cool
05-29-2005, 06:48 PM
Oakland. Best receiving corps in the league plus they're my favorite team.

In addition to that, do you guys know how Randy Moss pays for things? That's right. "Straight cash, homey"

Tuggy
05-29-2005, 06:55 PM
Harrison would be considered in that regard if he had Moss' mouth, but thankfully he doesn't, so he just quietly does well. Personally, if I could pick between the two, I'd take Harrison over Moss every day of the week, and twice on Sundays. There's a reason Minnesota traded received so little in return, and when he was on the block, not too many teams came a knocking.

Obviously Moss has issues off the field but he is a better receiver then Harrison. He is bigger, faster and has better hands.

Nifty=HHOF
05-29-2005, 08:12 PM
Obviously Moss has issues off the field but he is a better receiver then Harrison. He is bigger, faster and has better hands.

There's a decent arguement to made for Harrison. Moss is bigger and probably faster, close on hands, but is that what matters? Let's see production. Harrison's numbers are at least comparable to Moss's. Let at their best seasons

1) Harrison 2002 143rec 1722yards 11Td's
1) Moss 2003 111red 1632yards 17Td's

2) Harrison 1999 115rec 1663yards 12Td's
2) Moss 2000 77rec 1437yards 15Td's

Career Averages
Harrison 94rec 1243yards 11Td's
Moss 82rec 1306yards 13Td's

That's a pretty close comparison.

Tuggy
05-30-2005, 08:19 AM
There's a decent arguement to made for Harrison. Moss is bigger and probably faster, close on hands, but is that what matters? Let's see production. Harrison's numbers are at least comparable to Moss's. Let at their best seasons

1) Harrison 2002 143rec 1722yards 11Td's
1) Moss 2003 111red 1632yards 17Td's

2) Harrison 1999 115rec 1663yards 12Td's
2) Moss 2000 77rec 1437yards 15Td's

Career Averages
Harrison 94rec 1243yards 11Td's
Moss 82rec 1306yards 13Td's

That's a pretty close comparison.

I agree completely and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from Harrison. He is top receiver in the league but I just happen to think that Moss is the best receiver in the NFL. And I also think that Porter is better then Wayne, in fact IMO Porter has the skills to be a #1 receiver. Which is why I voted Oakland.

Liquidrage*
05-30-2005, 10:24 AM
The Colts recievers if your including who's throwing to them. I really don't think Wayne and Stockley are anything special. I think they "greatness" starts and ends with Manning, though clearly Harrison is a great reciever.

I think Oakland has bar far the most athletic bunch. And probably the best bunch (on paper). But they don't have an elite QB throwing to them. And we'll have to see this year how it pans on.

I really don't understand why Detroit is getting a lot of votes. Rodgers hasn't proven anything yet except that he can break bones. Roy Williams is clearly a stud, and while I was really high on Mike Williams, we again don't know how he'll translate to the NFL game. They just have "names" at this point and outside of Roy are one big ? that no one can right now say if the other two are worth anything.

And comparatively, Cincy is not getting enough respect. Chad is a legit elite #1. He might be the top reciever in the league not named Holt, Moss, Ownes or Harrison. Houshmandzadeh established himself as a big time reciever in the league, and if Warrick comes back from injury without a problem is also capable of putting up great numbers. Really, if you look at Cincy, they have an elite #1 and two very good #2's. Much better then most teams in this poll.

Brodeur
05-30-2005, 12:49 PM
Way too early to include Detroit's trio in top 3.

Big McLargehuge
05-30-2005, 12:55 PM
Why on God's green Earth is Cleveland on this list?

Davis is average at best, Bryant wastes his talent, and Edwards is unproven.

You'd think at least one receiver would have to be good to make a top trio poll...

Indy gets my vote.

Rick Middleton
05-30-2005, 01:09 PM
I edited the poll to delete Patten and add Givens

MontrealCruiser_83*
05-30-2005, 01:18 PM
The Bengals are stacked... In two/three years, the most vaunted passing offense in the NFL will be Palmer, Johnson, and Chris Henry.

The Guy on the Couch*
05-30-2005, 05:19 PM
Um, hellooo...Burress, Ward, Randle El anyone?

Liquidrage*
05-30-2005, 05:23 PM
Burress who? The guy that signed with the Giants? :)

Porn*
05-30-2005, 05:39 PM
Burress who? The guy that signed with the Giants? :)
what a *****, he was my fav 2nd only to Bettis :cry:

Big McLargehuge
05-30-2005, 11:03 PM
Um, hellooo...Burress, Ward, Randle El anyone?



Um, hellooo...Burress signed with the Giants...

Ward, Randle-El, Wilson just doesn't have the same zing. Sure it may be better overall but just not as talented. Wilson is a better fit for the Steelers but doesn't have a fraction of the talent that Burress has. Granted Wilson actually uses all of his talent while Burress uses about 15% of his...

Still, Ward alone makes the group far better than half those already on the list.

gr8haluschak
05-31-2005, 01:50 AM
i just voted and to those that voted for detroit can you tell me something, what has Rogers and Roy Williams done so far - both could be one hit wonders since Rogers did not play last year, and what has the other Williams done ? how did 19 people honestly vote for them.

thestonedkoala
05-31-2005, 02:06 AM
To me it's Indy...Harrison is a shoe in for the Hall of Fame, great career and a quiet guy on the field. He has no, me first attitude and hasn't been injured badly (Moss and his hamstring).

Why is Browns on there but not Minnesota?

Burleson - Williamson - Wiggins/Robinson

is a good combination...a guy in the middle, a guy short, and a guy that can stretch the field.

Jeffrey
05-31-2005, 03:21 AM
i just voted and to those that voted for detroit can you tell me something, what has Rogers and Roy Williams done so far - both could be one hit wonders since Rogers did not play last year, and what has the other Williams done ? how did 19 people honestly vote for them.
I've seen Roy make catch that Owens,Moss could only dream of ...
he's that good .. last year he was also injured .. IMO he's the future star at WR ... you don't have to be a lions fan to know he's talented ..
Rogers never had a chance to prove himself .. but again .. he's heavily talented maybe more than Roy but his durability is the biggest question mark ..
Mike williams is the ideal 3rd down, red zone guy .. he's really mature also and never droped a pass at the lions mini-camp, he was also the only one to didnt drop a pass...again ..IMO the raiders,colts trio is better .. but the lions sure has the best young and coming wrs core in the league and by far !

The Flash
05-31-2005, 09:03 AM
I've seen Roy make catch that Owens,Moss could only dream of ...
he's that good .. last year he was also injured .. IMO he's the future star at WR ... you don't have to be a lions fan to know he's talented ..
Rogers never had a chance to prove himself .. but again .. he's heavily talented maybe more than Roy but his durability is the biggest question mark ..
Mike williams is the ideal 3rd down, red zone guy .. he's really mature also and never droped a pass at the lions mini-camp, he was also the only one to didnt drop a pass...again ..IMO the raiders,colts trio is better .. but the lions sure has the best young and coming wrs core in the league and by far !

Hahaha... Thanks for providing me with a pretty good laugh. I needed one today after the **** day, I just had at work.

Roy Williams making catches that Owens and Moss can only dream of? That leaves him what.... let's say 500 receptions and 8000 yards short of what Moss has accomplished. Williams has the potential to be good, but that's all it is right now. He hasn't done anything that has been done before him by other rookies in this league. About for Minicamp.... Remember one thing... It's only minicamp.

Now onto your claim about the Lions having the best young WRs in the league by far. You take the Lions and I will go with the Cardinals group. Boldin, Fitzgerald and Johnson can bring just as much to the table as the Lions trio and more. At least I can say that their top WR distinguished himself from the other rookies in his first pro season.

Ar-too
05-31-2005, 09:17 AM
I voted for the Bengals because, well, they're my team, but this kills me:

CLEVELAND: Andre Davis Antonio Bryant Braylon Edwards 1 1.15%

:biglaugh:

Nifty=HHOF
05-31-2005, 10:45 PM
I voted for the Bengals because, well, they're my team, but this kills me:



:biglaugh:

Even the new Browns have some fans

Jeffrey
05-31-2005, 11:57 PM
Hahaha... Thanks for providing me with a pretty good laugh. I needed one today after the **** day, I just had at work.

Roy Williams making catches that Owens and Moss can only dream of? That leaves him what.... let's say 500 receptions and 8000 yards short of what Moss has accomplished. Williams has the potential to be good, but that's all it is right now. He hasn't done anything that has been done before him by other rookies in this league. About for Minicamp.... Remember one thing... It's only minicamp.

Now onto your claim about the Lions having the best young WRs in the league by far. You take the Lions and I will go with the Cardinals group. Boldin, Fitzgerald and Johnson can bring just as much to the table as the Lions trio and more. At least I can say that their top WR distinguished himself from the other rookies in his first pro season.
just watch him play dude ..
i'll describe 3 catch i've seen him do just last year ..
1st - the infamous 1 hand catch superman style .. he just jump with one hand in the air and grab the ball .. everybody was shocked .. the fans,the coach, the players on the field .. the best 1 hand catch I've seen and yes i've seen lots of one hand catch (wish I could have the clip of that catch)
2nd- the tip over the safety catch .. that was .. scary good .. he just get little space behind the corner that cover him and receive the ball a little high and at the last second just at the time as the safety was going to tackle him VERY hard he tip the ball over the safety and recatch the ball just after .. that was just a beauty and his best catch IMO from last year!!!
3rd- At this year mini-camp he make a catch undescribable .. can't find the clip ..
maybe someone could help me on this one ...
:innocent:

anyway Roy is not as gifted as owens and moss but in terms of catching ability he's clearly one of the best !!

gretzky1545
06-01-2005, 12:19 AM
just watch him play dude ..
i'll describe 3 catch i've seen him do just last year ..
1st - the infamous 1 hand catch superman style .. he just jump with one hand in the air and grab the ball .. everybody was shocked .. the fans,the coach, the players on the field .. the best 1 hand catch I've seen and yes i've seen lots of one hand catch (wish I could have the clip of that catch)
2nd- the tip over the safety catch .. that was .. scary good .. he just get little space behind the corner that cover him and receive the ball a little high and at the last second just at the time as the safety was going to tackle him VERY hard he tip the ball over the safety and recatch the ball just after .. that was just a beauty and his best catch IMO from last year!!!
3rd- At this year mini-camp he make a catch undescribable .. can't find the clip ..
maybe someone could help me on this one ...
:innocent:

anyway Roy is not as gifted as owens and moss but in terms of catching ability he's clearly one of the best !!

http://badblocks.biz/~jcdenton/RoyWilliams-MinicampCatch(Short).mpg

Patty Ice
06-01-2005, 01:21 AM
You take the Lions and I will go with the Cardinals group. Boldin, Fitzgerald and Johnson can bring just as much to the table as the Lions trio and more.

I'll be sure to bookmark this one.

The Flash
06-01-2005, 06:04 AM
I'll be sure to bookmark this one.

Make your prediction first before bookmarking anything. Hindsight is 20/20. Sack up and let's see what you've got. ;)

As for the Cardinals, there are three reasons why they will put up better numbers than the Lions trio.

1) Better QB. Warner has had some down time, but he's still better than Joey H.
2) Easier division. The NFC Central isn't exactly the strongest around, but I do think that Minnesota, Chicago and Green Bay are tougher opponents (factoring the weather as well) than St. Louis, Seattle and San Francisco.
3) The Cards WR are just better. Williams and Fitzgerald look to be a wash at this point, but Boldin, Johnson are better than Rogers, Mike Williams.

JCD
06-01-2005, 07:32 AM
I would take the Cards trio over the Lions trio this year as well.

Boldin has done things no Detroit WR has ever done: notched 100+ catchs and notched 1000+ yards. Roy Williams is looking like a stud, but Charles Rogers is looking like a china doll. Can't be elite if you miss 12+ games per year. Mike Williams is a great prospect, but might takes some time to blossom.

IMO,

Boldin > Roy Williams
Larry Fitzgerald > Charles Rogers (or BMW for that matter)
Bryant Johnson < Mike Williams

Matt Foley*
06-01-2005, 08:48 AM
Good to see the Lions trio getting some votes (Detroit fan here), but let's see them play as a unit for an entire season before making any claims about them being the best in the league. Certainly they have the potential to be the best trio, but that potential has to be proven during the course of at least one 16-week NFL season, which both Rogers and M. Williams haven't accomplished yet.

I liked the Lions' addition of Kevin Johnson as the fourth receiver. In essence, he's Charles Rogers insurance and a potential mentor for the younger receivers. If any of the younger guys goes down, the offense shouldn't miss a beat (assuming Harrington gets his act together this season). Add Johnson and subtract any one of the younger receivers, and that trio can be one of the better ones in the league, IMO.

Patty Ice
06-01-2005, 01:29 PM
Make your prediction first before bookmarking anything. Hindsight is 20/20. Sack up and let's see what you've got. ;)


I never make predictions...I let the players do their own talking. Get back to me after the season.

Patty Ice
06-01-2005, 01:33 PM
Boldin has done things no Detroit WR has ever done: notched 100+ catchs and notched 1000+ yards.

Not sure if you just worded this wrong but...Herman Moore? Brett Perriman?

Patty Ice
06-01-2005, 01:35 PM
For the record, while I did vote for the Lions...I did so just to give em a vote (didn't think they'd get that many). As of right now, they are nothing more than potential. But I think that potential can be realized sooner rather than later.

Ar-too
06-01-2005, 03:58 PM
Not sure if you just worded this wrong but...Herman Moore? Brett Perriman?

I'm pretty sure he meant that none of the current trio have done that.

Patty Ice
06-01-2005, 05:14 PM
I'm pretty sure he meant that none of the current trio have done that.

That's what I was thinking too but that "no Detroit WR has ever done" threw me off. Like I said, he probably worded it wrong causing it to read completely different.

The Flash
06-02-2005, 05:21 AM
That's what I was thinking too but that "no Detroit WR has ever done" threw me off. Like I said, he probably worded it wrong causing it to read completely different.

Yeah, it was worded incorrectly. Though, none of Detroits WR were ever as successful in their rookie seasons as Boldin was.

Just curious, though why you can't make a prediction? Remember, you can't talk smack about our picks down the road if you don't make a prediction before hand.

JCD
06-02-2005, 10:32 AM
Not sure if you just worded this wrong but...Herman Moore? Brett Perriman?

Of the WRs in question: Roy Williams, Rogers and Mike Williams.

Jeffrey
06-02-2005, 11:12 AM
Yeah, it was worded incorrectly. Though, none of Detroits WR were ever as successful in their rookie seasons as Boldin was.

Just curious, though why you can't make a prediction? Remember, you can't talk smack about our picks down the road if you don't make a prediction before hand.
maybe mike williams could change that :D

Patty Ice
06-02-2005, 12:14 PM
Yeah, it was worded incorrectly. Though, none of Detroits WR were ever as successful in their rookie seasons as Boldin was.

Just curious, though why you can't make a prediction? Remember, you can't talk smack about our picks down the road if you don't make a prediction before hand.

It's just something I've never been too interested in. I don't mind if other people do it (before the season starts many people on the Sharks board submit their ...most of the time lofty...predictions) but I rather pick the guys who I think can make an impact instead of what they are going to accomplish. Hope that makes some sense cuz it doesn't really to me. Anyways, I do expect to see a few good things coming out of Roy Williams and Charles Rogers in particular. For the china doll rep he now carries, I think we get a full season out of him (both injuries came to the same collarbone which is now steel plated) and ease some of the doubters.

Patty Ice
06-02-2005, 12:16 PM
maybe mike williams could change that :D

Charles Rogers too :propeller