NBA draft; playoff matchups - WC - (everyone welcome to vote)..

Ajacied
05-30-2005, 08:29 AM
Hereís how teams ended up ranking during the regular season based on the lists Iíve received as well as previous votes in the elimination poll:

1) San Antonio Spurs
2) Seattle Supersonics
3) Houston Rockets
4) Dallas Mavericks
5) Los Angeles Clippers
6) Denver Nuggets
7) Minnesota Timberwolves
8) Los Angeles Lakers

San Antonio won the regular season award over the New York Knicks (lists + votes/difficulty of the conference*) and so will have home court advantage throughout the entire playoffs.

*Teams finished with an exact same amount of points. Used the quality and depth of the conferences as a tie breaker.

Here are the actual matchups:

San Antonio Spurs (1) vs Los Angeles Lakers (8)
Seattle Supersonics (2) vs Minnesota Timberwolves (7)
Houston Rockets (3) vs Denver Nuggets (6)
Dallas Mavericks (4) vs Los Angeles Clippers (5)

For an indepth view on the teams: LINK (http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=141607&page=1&pp=15) and Rosters (http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=142670)

I'd like everyone to vote for the 4 teams they think will advance. Try to be critical, fair and honest..

I'll make seperated threads once we've reached the Conference finals.

sveiglar
05-30-2005, 08:55 AM
How are the Wolves and Lakers down so low? They look like pretty solid teams.

Ajacied
05-30-2005, 09:00 AM
How are the Wolves and Lakers down so low? They look like pretty solid teams.

Tough conference.. But there still is a clear difference between the top 4 and the bottom 4 IMO.

sveiglar
05-30-2005, 09:02 AM
Tough conference.. But there still is a clear difference between the top 4 and the bottom 4 IMO.

BTW, I'm sure the Spurs will prevail in the polls, and I think they probably would in a series, but I think it could be a 6 or 7 game affair with the Lakers having a legitimate chance at an upset... so I tossed them a vote.

Tuggy
05-30-2005, 10:32 AM
San Antonio Spurs (1) vs Los Angeles Lakers (8)
The Lakers give the Spurs a good challenge but the Spurs win in 6.

Seattle Supersonics (2) vs Minnesota Timberwolves (7)
A hard fought series, Minnesota pulls off the upset in 7.

Houston Rockets (3) vs Denver Nuggets (6)
Houston rolls into the second round with a sweep of the punchless Nuggets.

Dallas Mavericks (4) vs Los Angeles Clippers (5)
Another tight series with Dallas winning in 7.

Ajacied
05-30-2005, 10:42 AM
Houston Rockets (3)[/B] vs Denver Nuggets (6)
Houston rolls into the second round with a sweep of the punchless Nuggets.

I think the Nuggets are too good to be swept. In fact, I voted for them simply because I like their chances against Houston.

I'll match them up, head-to-head:

Troy Murphy vs Reaf Lafrentz (Only Lafrentz has on Troy is experience)

Chris Webber vs Shawn Marion (Marion underisized for PF. And Webber is just a better player IMO)

Bruce Bowen vs Rashard Lewis (they wash eachother out)

Larry Hughes vs Michael Finley (again, equal. Finley is a saver bet during the playoffs and is more experienced. Hughes arguably more skilled and versatile, edge defensively as well)

Jason Kidd vs Chauncey Billups (Rather obvious and easy choice. Kidd is the top PG in the league. Billups top 10/15)..

And if I have to be honest, I might actually prefer Denver's bench as well seeing as how most of them are all tough, defensive players coupled with a few run and gun types.

This series should be one of the closests in the WC.. A sweep, I don't think so..

Porn*
05-30-2005, 05:26 PM
San Antonio Spurs (1) vs Los Angeles Lakers (8)
Seattle Supersonics (2) vs Minnesota Timberwolves (7)
Houston Rockets (3) vs Denver Nuggets (6)
Dallas Mavericks (4) vs Los Angeles Clippers (5)

***- player to watch
???- player to be concerned about

LAL: C Brad Miller
PF **Kevin Garnett**
SF **Grant Hill**
SG Eddie Jones
PG ???Rafer Alston???
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PG Jameer Nelson
SG Josh Smith
PF Matt Bonner
C Lorenzen Wright
SG **Latrell Sprewell**
SF Corliss Williamson




SA:C Samuel Dalambert
PF **Tim Duncan**
SF ???Ron Artest???
SG **Manu Ginobili**
PG Jamaal Tinsley
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C Nenad Kristic
SG **Darius Miles**
PF Chris Wilcox
SF Eddie Griffin
SG Brent Barry
PG Devin Harris
PG TJ Ford

Outcome: Lakers in 6
Matchups: Both teams lack a true consistant and proven PG... both are very young and honestly I wouldn't trust either of them in the playoffs yet.
Dalambert vs. Miller: Miller gets the nod because of his experience and consistency over the past few years.
Hill vs. Artest: Incredible showdown... i'd call it a wash, but watch out for artest and his craziness.
Jones vs. Ginobili: Ginobili would get the advantage because he's just that good, but jones would be able to contain him some of the times, jones is a great defender
Alston vs. Tinsley: trouble on both sides...
Benches: Miles and barry are quite nice additions as are sprewell and bonner, i'd call it a wash.


SS:C ???Marcus Camby???
PF Stromile Swift
SF James Posey
SG ***Ray Allen***
PG ***Steve Nash***
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PG Jason Terry
SF ***Jalen Rose***
C Jerome James
C Mike Olowakandi
SG John Barry


MT:C ***Jermaine O'Neal***
PF Carlos Boozer
SF Tayshaun Prince
SG Michael Redd
PG ***Gary Payton***
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PG Kirk Hinrich
PF Antonio McDyess
SF Jarvis Hayes
PF Marc Jackson
SF DerMarr Johnson
PF Darius Songaila
SG DeShawn Stevenson


Outcome: Minnesota in 5
Matchup: Camby vs.O'neal: not even close.. O'neal would have a field day on the O and D
Swift vs. Boozer: Boozer gets the slight advantage because of his offensive production, but both could potentially fold in the playoffs *age, experience*
Posey vs. Prince: Prince gets the kudos in this matchup... overall the better player.
Allen vs. Redd: Allen, though redd is quite the player, I think Allen would run all over him... experience and a smooth release make Allen very lethal.
Nash vs. Payton: imho i'd take payton... I think payton could get the job done better than Nash overall *pass, shoot, reb* he isn't called the glove for no reason ;)
Benches: with exception to rose who i'd start instead of posey, minni has a better bench.

Hou:C ???Raef Lafrentz???
PF ***Shawn Marion***
SF ***Rashard Lewis***
SG Michael Finley
PG Chauncey Billups
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C Brendan Haywood
SG Morris Peterson
PF Kwame Brown
SG ***Reggie Miller***
C Rafael Araujo
C Ha Seung-Jin
PG Leandro Barbosa

DEN:C Troy Murphy
PF *?*Chris Webber*?*
SF Bruce Bowen
SG ***Larry Hughes***
PG ***Jason Kidd***
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PF Kurt Thomas
SG Doug Christie
C Dikembe Mutombo
PG Earl Boykins
SG Derek Anderson
C Alonzo Mourning
PG Nick Van Exel


Outcome: Houston in 6 *quite the series*
Matchups: LaFrentz vs. Murphy: I'd give LaFrentz the advantage here because a) experience/age b) position adjustment *murphy listed as PF, Raef as PF-C, could possibly be a wash.
Marion vs. Webber: I'd rather the explosive Marion, Webber is quite injury prone... minus injuries it would be webber, but ya never know! Both players are prone to putting up big numbers.
Lewis vs. Bowen: Lewis... Bowen is old and useless, more of a role player... while lewis provides young legs and 20approx pts/gm.
Finley vs. Hughes: experience, consistency at big games point to finley but i'd take hughes overall... would be a great matchup though.
Billups vs. Kidd: Kidd without a doubt would distribute the ball better,allowing for more open shots...but billups is a great offensive pg.
Bench: best playoff player imho still active is Miller, he's a playoff g-d. Mutombo and Mourning are essentially done... wash imho. slight advg. going to denver because of experience.
Houstons forwards are capable of major minutes, and wouldn't require the bench overly too much...
DAL:C Erick Dampier
PF ***Antoine Walker***
SF Carmelo Anthony
SG ***Vince Carter***
PG Jason Williams
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C Tony Battie
PF Donyell Marshall
PF Brian Cardinal
SF Edaurdo Najera
SG Marquis Daniels
SG Bob Sura
PG Darrell Armstrong

LAC: C Rasho Nesterovic
PF Nene
SF ***Pedrag Stojakovic***
SG ***Paul Pierce***
PG Andre Miller
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C Vlade Divac
PF Brian Grant
SF Eric Williams
SG Gerald Wallace
PG Sam Cassell

Outcome: Dallas in 4 *slaughter imho*
Matchups: Dampier vs. Nesterovic: Dampier imho is more all around...
walker vs. Nene: Walker imho *experience, overall game, he's a game maker/breaker*
Melo vs. Stojakovic: I'd take peja based on the overall game, experience and age factor in the playoffs.
Carter vs. Pierce: Very close, but I like Carter more... both will have huge series stats.
Williams vs. Miller: great passing, maybe even some showboating... but not sure if either are playoff worthy. Ballsy PG
Bench: LAC take the cake, divac, grant, williams and cassell make a strong bench.


I tried being as unbiased as possible.

FearTheFlyers
05-30-2005, 06:04 PM
Outcome: Dallas in 4 *slaughter imho*
Matchups: Dampier vs. Nesterovic: Dampier imho is more all around...
walker vs. Nene: Walker imho *experience, overall game, he's a game maker/breaker*
Melo vs. Stojakovic: I'd take peja based on the overall game, experience and age factor in the playoffs.
Carter vs. Pierce: Very close, but I like Carter more... both will have huge series stats.
Williams vs. Miller: great passing, maybe even some showboating... but not sure if either are playoff worthy. Ballsy PG
Bench: LAC take the cake, divac, grant, williams and cassell make a strong bench.


I tried being as unbiased as possible.

You think Carter is better than Pierce? :shakehead

My SF, SG, PG and Bench are all better.

Porn*
05-30-2005, 06:08 PM
You think Carter is better than Pierce? :shakehead

My SF, SG, PG and Bench are all better.
its called personal preference... I like carter.

and once again... i beg to differ on your analysis.

to each their own... on that note i am no longer explaining my choices.

Gibsons Finest
05-30-2005, 06:29 PM
You think Carter is better than Pierce? :shakehead

My SF, SG, PG and Bench are all better.

I disagree. I think Peja has an edge on Melo, but I think when he's on, Carter is a bit better than Piece, and I think Williams is a much better passer than Miller.

As for the bench, I'd say I have an edge their also. My backup backcourt is just excellent with Daniels and Sura(better than Cassell and Wallace IMO), and I think Marshall is a better scorer than your front-court options. Divac is getting pretty old, and now, he's about on par with Battie, maybe a slight edge to Vladdy, and I'd say Williams and Cardinal are about even. I'd take Marshall over Grant any day of the week, though.

FearTheFlyers
05-30-2005, 07:19 PM
I disagree. I think Peja has an edge on Melo, but I think when he's on, Carter is a bit better than Piece, and I think Williams is a much better passer than Miller.

As for the bench, I'd say I have an edge their also. My backup backcourt is just excellent with Daniels and Sura(better than Cassell and Wallace IMO), and I think Marshall is a better scorer than your front-court options. Divac is getting pretty old, and now, he's about on par with Battie, maybe a slight edge to Vladdy, and I'd say Williams and Cardinal are about even. I'd take Marshall over Grant any day of the week, though.

Well, everyone seems to agree with you.

Ajacied
05-31-2005, 02:45 AM
Lewis vs. Bowen: Lewis... Bowen is old and useless, more of a role player... while lewis provides young legs and 20approx pts/gm..

I hope you're being sarcastic. Bruce Bowen is NBA's top perimiter defender and runner up to Ben Wallace for defensive player of the year. He's been an all defensive first team member for 5 straight seasons, one of only 4 in NBA history to do so (the other 4 are HOF'ers). Bowen can shutdown pretty much anyone, he gets in your head and will completely take you off your game. He's been a key presence during trhe Spurs run in 1999 and has been of MVP calibre for them in each of the series so far this year. Lewis won't average 20 on Bruce.

Porn*
05-31-2005, 06:45 AM
I hope you're being sarcastic. Bruce Bowen is NBA's top perimiter defender and runner up to Ben Wallace for defensive player of the year. He's been an all defensive first team member for 5 straight seasons, one of only 4 in NBA history to do so (the other 4 are HOF'ers). Bowen can shutdown pretty much anyone, he gets in your head and will completely take you off your game. He's been a key presence during trhe Spurs run in 1999 and has been of MVP calibre for them in each of the series so far this year. Lewis won't average 20 on Bruce.
1/2 n 1/2... while he would most likely contain Lewis to a degree... having lewis as a threat would provide open shots for others. Thats the beauty of my team... depth and overall quality. And imho 34 is startingto get old...

Ajacied
05-31-2005, 07:54 AM
And imho 34 is startingto get old...

Bruce is getting better with age. He just had his best year ever IMO and should've won the DPOY award. He's every bit as valueble to the Spurs as Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili is.

12# Peter Bondra
05-31-2005, 05:52 PM
Hou:C ???Raef Lafrentz???
PF ***Shawn Marion***
SF ***Rashard Lewis***
SG Michael Finley
PG Chauncey Billups
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C Brendan Haywood
SG Morris Peterson
PF Kwame Brown
SG ***Reggie Miller***
C Rafael Araujo
C Ha Seung-Jin
PG Leandro Barbosa

DEN:C Troy Murphy
PF *?*Chris Webber*?*
SF Bruce Bowen
SG ***Larry Hughes***
PG ***Jason Kidd***
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PF Kurt Thomas
SG Doug Christie
C Dikembe Mutombo
PG Earl Boykins
SG Derek Anderson
C Alonzo Mourning
PG Nick Van Exel


Outcome: Houston in 6 *quite the series*
Matchups: LaFrentz vs. Murphy: I'd give LaFrentz the advantage here because a) experience/age b) position adjustment *murphy listed as PF, Raef as PF-C, could possibly be a wash.
Marion vs. Webber: I'd rather the explosive Marion, Webber is quite injury prone... minus injuries it would be webber, but ya never know! Both players are prone to putting up big numbers.
Lewis vs. Bowen: Lewis... Bowen is old and useless, more of a role player... while lewis provides young legs and 20approx pts/gm.
Finley vs. Hughes: experience, consistency at big games point to finley but i'd take hughes overall... would be a great matchup though.
Billups vs. Kidd: Kidd without a doubt would distribute the ball better,allowing for more open shots...but billups is a great offensive pg.
Bench: best playoff player imho still active is Miller, he's a playoff g-d. Mutombo and Mourning are essentially done... wash imho. slight advg. going to denver because of experience.
Houstons forwards are capable of major minutes, and wouldn't require the bench overly too much...

I tried being as unbiased as possible.

I looked up who HOU's GM was and I thought it was you and you were the GM.

I think you were a bit critical with my team but it was a nice review.

But a bit critical on my team from my point of view.

Porn*
05-31-2005, 06:01 PM
I looked up who HOU's GM was and I thought it was you and you were the GM.

I think you were a bit critical with my team but it was a nice review.

But a bit critical on my team from my point of view.
sorry :dunno:


just being honest...

kruezer
06-02-2005, 05:06 PM
I think Minny could definetaly take the Sonics, Nash/Allen/Terry/Barry is a nice backcourt, but Payton/Redd/Hinrich/Johnson (who I'd play at SG) could compete with them well, but I would give the Sonics the advantage.

However the frontcourt is where Minny would dominate IMO, O'Neal/Boozer/Prince backed by Hayes/McDyess/Jackson is considerably better than Camby/Swift/Rose backed by Posey/James/Olowakandi. The Sonics may have 3 'true' centers, but I think Minny would still own them up front.

But I'm really biased on this one.