Ranger/Oiler Trade proposal

Lowe and Sather talk all the time. Sather is good friends with Mike Comrie's family. The Oilers are at the point of no return with Comrie.

How about this trade offer:


Rangers: Jamie Lundmark and Fedor Tjutin and a draft pick


for

Oilers: Mike Comrie and Ethan Moreau


Lundmark might need to escape NY where he gets limited play. Jamie has an upside and Lowe likes him. Tjutin has been touted by Sather as being a can't miss prospect. Tjutin will have a tough time breaking into a "D" filled with all vets.

Comrie is young and could be the player the Rangers need need to replace Bure. Moreau could play the wing on the checking line with Holik.

Lowe might try to get Sather to substitute goalie prospect Henrik Lundqvist for Tjutin.

Your thoughts..

Lowe and Sather talk all the time. Sather is good friends with Mike Comrie's family. The Oilers are at the point of no return with Comrie.

How about this trade offer:


Rangers: Jamie Lundmark and Fedor Tjutin and a draft pick


for

Oilers: Mike Comrie and Ethan Moreau


Lundmark might need to escape NY where he gets limited play. Jamie has an upside and Lowe likes him. Tjutin has been touted by Sather as being a can't miss prospect. Tjutin will have a tough time breaking into a "D" filled with all vets.

Comrie is young and could be the player the Rangers need need to replace Bure. Moreau could play the wing on the checking line with Holik.

Lowe might try to get Sather to substitute goalie prospect Henrik Lundqvist for Tjutin.

Your thoughts..
I like both those guys and would do this trade I think the pick might be unneccesary but where would u put Comrie in your line up?
Or do you have a second trade planned ?

I like both those guys and would do this trade I think the pick might be unneccesary but where would u put Comrie in your line up?
Or do you have a second trade planned ?

I can see Sather putting Comrie on the Lindros line and maybe trading Carter.

How about Carter for Brendon Witt? I have heard that McFee likes cater and the Rangers could use a BIG stay at home dman.

Lowe and Sather talk all the time. Sather is good friends with Mike Comrie's family. The Oilers are at the point of no return with Comrie.

How about this trade offer:


Rangers: Jamie Lundmark and Fedor Tjutin and a draft pick


for

Oilers: Mike Comrie and Ethan Moreau


Lundmark might need to escape NY where he gets limited play. Jamie has an upside and Lowe likes him. Tjutin has been touted by Sather as being a can't miss prospect. Tjutin will have a tough time breaking into a "D" filled with all vets.

Comrie is young and could be the player the Rangers need need to replace Bure. Moreau could play the wing on the checking line with Holik.

Lowe might try to get Sather to substitute goalie prospect Henrik Lundqvist for Tjutin.

Your thoughts..

From an oiler standpoint this is a Done deal.

I can see Sather putting Comrie on the Lindros line and maybe trading Carter.

How about Carter for Brendon Witt? I have heard that McFee likes cater and the Rangers could use a BIG stay at home dman.
Caps are weak on d and very much doubt they would trade one of their best d-men and secondly one of the best reasons to get Comrie is cause he has some chemistry with Carter and could quickly gel into a line

Lowe and Sather talk all the time. Sather is good friends with Mike Comrie's family. The Oilers are at the point of no return with Comrie.

How about this trade offer:


Rangers: Jamie Lundmark and Fedor Tjutin and a draft pick


for

Oilers: Mike Comrie and Ethan Moreau


Lundmark might need to escape NY where he gets limited play. Jamie has an upside and Lowe likes him. Tjutin has been touted by Sather as being a can't miss prospect. Tjutin will have a tough time breaking into a "D" filled with all vets.

Comrie is young and could be the player the Rangers need need to replace Bure. Moreau could play the wing on the checking line with Holik.

Lowe might try to get Sather to substitute goalie prospect Henrik Lundqvist for Tjutin.

Your thoughts..

Nah.

The Rangers can't afford to give up two young players for one. And I for one would like to see what Fedor Tyutin is before I trade him.

Comrie is a nice player but he is prima madonna. And Comrie, being a small center, is not going to replace Bure. That's what Alex Kovalev and Anson Carter are there for. Moreau is no better on the ice than any of the other third fourth line players the Rangers have (Barnaby, LaCouture, Petrovicky, Lundmark, Simon).

The Rangers cannot give up two good young players for one good young player, albeit a more established one. With Lindros, Nedved, Holik and Messier down the middle, another small center in Comrie is not what the team needs. And can we please stop giving picks as throw ins to deals? Cheers.

From an oiler standpoint this is a Done deal.
Ya I would love to see a line of York-Lundmark-Dvorak. How is Tyutin is he ready to be a 6 d-man and step into the big-leagues or does he need some more farm seasoning?

I decline the offer.

Rangers can't afford to give up prospects in quantity and Moreau does nothing for me because we don't need him.

I am not about to trade my two better youngsters for two players we absolutely have no use for. We have a very old defensive corps. Trading Tjutin is not smart, specially when he's our best prospect and really our only blue chipper on the blue line.

Ya I would love to see a line of York-Lundmark-Dvorak. How is Tyutin is he ready to be a 6 d-man and step into the big-leagues or does he need some more farm seasoning?
He needs a year in the AHL.

Nah.

The Rangers can't afford to give up two young players for one. And I for one would like to see what Fedor Tyutin is before I trade him.

Comrie is a nice player but he is prima madonna. And Comrie, being a small center, is not going to replace Bure. That's what Alex Kovalev and Anson Carter are there for. Moreau is no better on the ice than any of the other third fourth line players the Rangers have (Barnaby, LaCouture, Petrovicky, Lundmark, Simon).

The Rangers cannot give up two good young players for one good young player, albeit a more established one. With Lindros, Nedved, Holik and Messier down the middle, another small center in Comrie is not what the team needs. And can we please stop giving picks as throw ins to deals? Cheers.

SingnBlues... Lundy and Comrie are close in age. Is Tyutin really that good? He has been replaced by Lampman as the best defensive prospect that the Rangers have. Sather has been boosting Tyutin's value didn't he do the same with Flip Novav? If Tyutin was that good he would be taking advantage of Leetch being out of the lineup. He had been a dissapointment and was just sent to Hartford.

Getting Comrie would give us a young scorer for years to come. This team needs a young player to build around. Getting Moreau would give us more size on the checking line.

Moreau is no better on the ice than any of the other third fourth line players the Rangers have (Barnaby, LaCouture, Petrovicky, Lundmark, Simon).


I think Moreau's better than LaCouture and Petrovicky combined. That might not be saying much, but you're not giving him enough credit. That said, he still might not be a fit for the Rangers.

SingnBlues... Lundy and Comrie are close in age. Is Tyutin really that good? He has been replaced by Lampman as the best defensive prospect that the Rangers have. Sather has been boosting Tyutin's value didn't he do the same with Flip Novav? If Tyutin was that good he would be taking advantage of Leetch being out of the lineup. He had been a dissapointment and was just sent to Hartford.

Getting Comrie would give us a young scorer for years to come. This team needs a young player to build around. Getting Moreau would give us more size on the checking line.


First of all, if Lundmark and Comrie are close in age, (Lundmark is 22 and Comrie is 23) why make the trade? Sure Comrie has had a better career to date but he has also played in 137 more games than Lundmark. That's over a season and a half of NHL experience. And Comrie does not fit an immediate need. As far as a young scorer for the future Lundmark, Jessiman, Kovalev (still young) and maybe a Moore, Jonasen, or Stals are all young as well. This team needs as much youth as possible. Two for one does not get the job done. Especially with Moreau being 28.

Is Tyutin that good? I don't know lets see. And its hard for Tyutin to be passed on the depth chart by Lampman when Lampman is out for four to six weeks now. And you need more than on young defenseman. With Mironov, Purinot, and Malakhov all being without contracts at seasons end, there will be plenty of opportunity for a then 21 year old Tyutin and 22 year old Bryce Lampman to take one of those spots. Personally, I would like to see Tyutin play at least a half season in Hartford and get him back into the North American game.

Moreau is an ordinary player. It's not worth to trade to upgrade for size (debatable as Moreau is 6'2, 209 and LaCouture is 6'2, 219, Simon is 6'1, 215 and Barnaby is 6'1, 195.) He does not add anything that this team does not have already.

This is a trade that helps the Oilers out big time and really does very little to improve the Rangers.

Ya, Moreau would be easily there best third liner. I don't like the deal at all. It does nothing for the Oilers. Lundmark doesn't have the potential Comrie does IMO. Tyutin won't help our blueline out right now either. And Losing Moreau would hurt the team. Oilers don't need to trade for prospects at this point, they are fine for the future.

I think Moreau's better than LaCouture and Petrovicky combined. That might not be saying much, but you're not giving him enough credit. That said, he still might not be a fit for the Rangers.


Lets say he is. Does he really improve the NYR that much? Besides, neither of LaCouture or Petrovicky are going to play on the third line. So why trade for Moreau.

Comrie is the prize in the portion of the deal going the NYR's way. Personally I don't want to give up two very good young players for one player who may or may not wind up being better than the two. Moreau does not add anything. Comrie's a player but he's far from a sure thing. His size concerns me playing in the East. The fact that he has been mentioned as a trouble maker and malcontent does not help either.

I think Moreau's better than LaCouture and Petrovicky combined. That might not be saying much, but you're not giving him enough credit. That said, he still might not be a fit for the Rangers.
Petrovicky is waiver foder and not even roste player. LaCouture is our fourth line player. I am not going to trade my best prospect to upgrade the fourth line.

Ya, Moreau would be easily there best third liner. I don't like the deal at all. It does nothing for the Oilers. Lundmark doesn't have the potential Comrie does IMO. Tyutin won't help our blueline out right now either. And Losing Moreau would hurt the team. Oilers don't need to trade for prospects at this point, they are fine for the future.
No he wouldn't. He's not better then Holik, Carter and Barnaby.

I say Carter because if we get Comrie Carter drops down.

First of all, if Lundmark and Comrie are close in age, (Lundmark is 22 and Comrie is 23) why make the trade? Sure Comrie has had a better career to date but he has also played in 137 more games than Lundmark. That's over a season and a half of NHL experience. And Comrie does not fit an immediate need. As far as a young scorer for the future Lundmark, Jessiman, Kovalev (still young) and maybe a Moore, Jonasen, or Stals are all young as well. This team needs as much youth as possible. Two for one does not get the job done. Especially with Moreau being 28.

Is Tyutin that good? I don't know lets see. And its hard for Tyutin to be passed on the depth chart by Lampman when Lampman is out for four to six weeks now. And you need more than on young defenseman. With Mironov, Purinot, and Malakhov all being without contracts at seasons end, there will be plenty of opportunity for a then 21 year old Tyutin and 22 year old Bryce Lampman to take one of those spots. Personally, I would like to see Tyutin play at least a half season in Hartford and get him back into the North American game.

Moreau is an ordinary player. It's not worth to trade to upgrade for size (debatable as Moreau is 6'2, 209 and LaCouture is 6'2, 219, Simon is 6'1, 215 and Barnaby is 6'1, 195.) He does not add anything that this team does not have already.

This is a trade that helps the Oilers out big time and really does very little to improve the Rangers.
Couldn't have said it better myself!!



Lampman now the team's best defensive prospect? :dunno:
We are on a prospect site, I would hope some atleast read the content.

Ya, Moreau would be easily there best third liner. I don't like the deal at all. It does nothing for the Oilers. Lundmark doesn't have the potential Comrie does IMO. Tyutin won't help our blueline out right now either. And Losing Moreau would hurt the team. Oilers don't need to trade for prospects at this point, they are fine for the future.

Yeah Moreau would be an enormous upgrade over Barnaby, Holik and Lundmark. Come on.

Petrovicky is waiver foder and not even roste player. LaCouture is our fourth line player. I am not going to trade my best prospect to upgrade the fourth line.

I think you are undervaluing Moreau. He is a better Lw than any of the ones you have currently. He can score 15-20 and play the Pk and is physical. I can understand you not valuing him to highly because you never get to see him, but he is a very versatile player and i don't see Natural Lw on the rangers i would rather have than Moreau. Please do not bring up Rucinsky or Hlavac as they are one dimensional soft forwards that may or may not produce, With Eathan what you see is what you get and he will improve your Pk a lot. Rangers fans would love his work ethic and his willingness to do whatever it takes to win.

That being said this deal doesn't work for the ranger for the very reason that they have no need af another scoring center in Comrie.

No he wouldn't. He's not better then Holik, Carter and Barnaby.

I say Carter because if we get Comrie Carter drops down.


Holik is your best 3rd liner, but Moreau is better than Barnaby. Carter will pull the biggest disappearing act you have ever seen if they move him off a scroing line.

Ya, Moreau would be easily there best third liner. I don't like the deal at all. It does nothing for the Oilers. Lundmark doesn't have the potential Comrie does IMO. Tyutin won't help our blueline out right now either. And Losing Moreau would hurt the team. Oilers don't need to trade for prospects at this point, they are fine for the future.


ok smart guy tell me who Moreau would be better than on the Rangers third line?

A little guy like Comrie would get killed in the East

Why would the Rangers do this deal?

Not to mention Comrie wants nothing to do with the Oilers anymore.

Yeah Moreau would be an enormous upgrade over Barnaby, Holik and Lundmark. Come on.
He's more valuable then Barnaby. And although on the market wouldn't get near what Lundmark would, the amount he'll help a team THIS YEAR is great then Ludmark. But ya, Holik is there so he'd be the second best.

Oh, and I forget who said it, but why could Comrie - a center- effect what line Carter is on- a RWer?

I wouldn't do the deal as mentioned, but I will say this because my fellow Ranger fans are far off here:
Ethan Moreau would EASILY be the 2nd best 3rd liner on the Rangers (behind Holik) and is something that this organization lacks sorely, a defensive forward. Of the Rangers mentioned in this thread (LaCouture, Petro, Barnaby, Simon, and Lundmark), LaCouture is the only one that I would call a defensive forward. Petro is decent defensively. Lundmark is improving, but still not good enough. Both Barnaby and Simon are mediocre defensive players on their best days, and much worse on their worst.

If we're putting Holik up against top lines (and we should), I'd take Moreau and Lundmark over Barnaby/Simon and Lundmark every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

He's more valuable then Barnaby. And although on the market wouldn't get near what Lundmark would, the amount he'll help a team THIS YEAR is great then Ludmark. But ya, Holik is there so he'd be the second best.

Oh, and I forget who said it, but why could Comrie - a center- effect what line Carter is on- a RWer?


We'll agree to disagree on Moreau v. Barnaby. I'll take Barnaby for his intangibles.

Carter would be on the third line, if this trade went through because #37-#93-#27 is hypothesizing that Comrie would lide in on the right wing with Lindros and Rucinsky.

I will take a shot at it

lundqvist, garth murray, lampman

for

comrie

oilers get three solid prospects. murray and lampman could both be called up during the season and contribute. Lundqvist is the wild card. He has dominated the swedish elite league. Salo would be the perfect mentor for this kid and we could see him take over for salo in 3-4 seasons.

rangers get another one of sathers boys. An overpriced player who likes to complain. But there is no doubting this kids talent, and being only 23 hes worth the headache.

for the rangers

rucinsky-lindros-comrie
hlavac-nedved-kovelov
lundmark-holik-carter
barnaby-messier-simon

i would even think about swapping carter and rucinsky in the line up

Holik is your best 3rd liner, but Moreau is better than Barnaby. Carter will pull the biggest disappearing act you have ever seen if they move him off a scroing line.
Our priority is not upgrading our third line LW who btw has been better then adaquate for us.

Again this is not a trade we need to make and what we trade AWAY is the reason why we wouldn't do it. Maybe I am underrating Moreau but his value is little to the Rangers where as Tjutin and Lundmark are possibly our most valued assets.

If Comrie was moved to the wing he'd go to the left side I'd guess cause Carter and Kovalev are locks as top six guys.

He's more valuable then Barnaby. And although on the market wouldn't get near what Lundmark would, the amount he'll help a team THIS YEAR is great then Ludmark. But ya, Holik is there so he'd be the second best.

Oh, and I forget who said it, but why could Comrie - a center- effect what line Carter is on- a RWer?
Because if Lundmark gets traded, we need to fill our third line RW spot with another player. I would guess Carter makes the move down rather then 5'8 Mike Comrie.

But by what you just said there is just no reason for the Rangers to make that deal if Comrie can't play another position.

C
Lindros
Nedved
Holik
Messer

If Comrie was moved to the wing he'd go to the left side I'd guess cause Carter and Kovalev are locks as top six guys.
Rucinsky playing with Lindros is a lock. Hlavac, Nedved and Kovalev line is a lock.

<b>At this point</b>, Carter would be the odd man out of the top six.

I will take a shot at it

lundqvist, garth murray, lampman

for

comrie

oilers get three solid prospects. murray and lampman could both be called up during the season and contribute. Lundqvist is the wild card. He has dominated the swedish elite league. Salo would be the perfect mentor for this kid and we could see him take over for salo in 3-4 seasons.

rangers get another one of sathers boys. An overpriced player who likes to complain. But there is no doubting this kids talent, and being only 23 hes worth the headache.

for the rangers

rucinsky-lindros-comrie
hlavac-nedved-kovelov
lundmark-holik-carter
barnaby-messier-simon

i would even think about swapping carter and rucinsky in the line up
Value yes it's doable but prospects can't go in quantity so no.

We also have no need for Comrie if we're not trading anyone off our roster.

But by what you just said there is just no reason for the Rangers to make that deal if Comrie can't play another position.


yes, correct, there is ZERO reason for Slats to trade for Comrie. Comrie also might not do as well in the clutch and grab east.

We'll agree to disagree on Moreau v. Barnaby. I'll take Barnaby for his intangibles.

Carter would be on the third line, if this trade went through because #37-#93-#27 is hypothesizing that Comrie would lide in on the right wing with Lindros and Rucinsky.
Comrie and Carter are both better than Ruchinsky why wouldn't he just get bumped down? If Carter or Comrie aren't on your first two lines u might as well throw them away they are goal scorers niether are very defensively sound. Moreau(natural LW u have few) on the other hand would do your team a world of good with his style, leadership, and grit u guys need some more defensively accountable forwards u have a ton of goal scorers. Stopping a goal is just as good as scoring a goal ur team needs to find some balance.

Comrie and Carter are both better than Ruchinsky why wouldn't he just get bumped down? If Carter or Comrie aren't on your first two lines u might as well throw them away they are goal scorers niether are very defensively sound. Moreau(natural LW u have few) on the other hand would do your team a world of good with his style, leadership, and grit u guys need some more defensively accountable forwards u have a ton of goal scorers. Stopping a goal is just as good as scoring a goal ur team needs to find some balance.
Because of Chemistry, obviously Rucinsky is not in Carter or Comries class but there's no reason to ruin something that's working right now. That chemistry was the only reason Sather signed him, he is not going to waste his money this early in the season.

WOW!!

A fairly long thread about a trade proposal that hasn't turned into a ridicule and insult fest.Its a nice change to read posters trading opinions and disagreeing with eachother in a civil manner.Good job guys :handclap:

This might even be hall of fame material ;)

Small overlooked fact, and that is that comrie can't play the wing, he never has all through his AJHL days and even at Michigan they moved Hilbert to the Wing because Comrie couldn't/wouldn't go there.

Just what the Rangers need right now, yet another :rolleyes: major trade before the first puck is dropped in the regular season.

to borrow something from the leafs board

NO LUNDMARK FOR YOU !

but seriously although new york can certainly afford comrie, they do have a quite a few centers, so they would likely put comrie on the wing. So why trade a winger they already have in jamie, for a center who they then convert to wing ?

add the other kid on top of it for a checker type. It just doesn't work IMO. Then again after the Ridley and Miller for bobby carpenter deal, I am not surprised by anything the rangers do

to borrow something from the leafs board

NO LUNDMARK FOR YOU !

but seriously although new york can certainly afford comrie, they do have a quite a few centers, so they would likely put comrie on the wing. So why trade a winger they already have in jamie, for a center who they then convert to wing ?

add the other kid on top of it for a checker type. It just doesn't work IMO. Then again after the Ridley and Miller for bobby carpenter deal, I am not surprised by anything the rangers do
Lundmark's natural position is center.