Homer Simpson vs Peter Griffin [Archive]

Laperriere22*

09-26-2003, 12:52 PM

Such a thread doesn't accomplish anything because we already know the level of the audience don't we?

If you like your humor watered down and enjoy the tradition of a show, you'll take the Simpsons. If you like biting humor that is also more crass, then you'll take the Family Guy. They require different senses of humor to enjoy them; I can't stand the wholesome family comedy of the Simpsons and I haven't watched it in years. I require a biting wit and edge to my comedy and for me, nothing compares to the Family Guy.

For some reason, I always get the impression that most of those that vote for the Simpsons are young ignoramuses that don't get a lot of the comedy in the Family Guy and similar to that movie thread "discussion" about Monty Python, they lash out at what they don't understand. The Simpsons has been too tame IMO for too many years and I'd be just as willing to watch an old Ally McBeal rerun as I would a new Simpsons.

Dr Seldon

09-26-2003, 01:06 PM

Homer > all.

lux_interior

09-26-2003, 01:28 PM

VO #23

09-26-2003, 01:31 PM

Unquestionably Homer.

The Family Guy is one of the most overrated shows out there, I don't really find it funny at all. Way too much nerd humour IMO.

BigM1ke

09-26-2003, 01:50 PM

Homer Simpsons in a heartbeat. No contest whatsoever. Peter Griffin is nothing more than a fake, IMO.

Hey!! LOOK AT THIS GUY!! HE'S A BIG FAT PHONY!!

yeah!! a PHONY!!

:joker:

Aerolanche

09-26-2003, 02:07 PM

Homer Simpsons in a heartbeat. No contest whatsoever. Peter Griffin is nothing more than a fake, IMO.

That's a lie and you know it!!

dempsey_k*

09-26-2003, 02:13 PM

Whoever votes for Peter, should be shot!

And you think I'm kidding :D

That's just sad.

I say Fred Flintstone, because without Fred Flintstone, there would be no Homer.

Porn*

09-26-2003, 02:15 PM

Homer by a hair!

dempsey_k*

09-26-2003, 02:19 PM

Hey!! LOOK AT THIS GUY!! HE'S A BIG FAT PHONY!!

yeah!! a PHONY!!

:joker:

LOL, how did they ever solve the "phoney" guy, obviously a stab at the idiots calling Peter a fake of Homer. I personally would have had him boiling in acid but I'm unoriginal and attack ad hominem.

Canadian Chris

09-26-2003, 02:52 PM

Without a doubt, I enjoy The Family Guy WAY better than The Simpsons.....

But Homer still rules Peter Griffin

Laperriere22*

09-26-2003, 05:15 PM

So most anybody who likes the Simpsons better than the Family Guy is a young ingnoramus who likes watered down, tame humor and lashes out at what they don't understand....

I don't agree with that at all.

Funny that you are worried about a stereotype being created when you've already said you haven't watched enough Family Guy to have an opinion about who's better in the first place. You've basically said that you are ignorant when it comes to Family Guy; so, what counterpoint are you going to try and make when you are starting with a Simpsons only knowledge?

People that like the Simpsons better are likely the same people that vote Old School as one of the funniest movies ever. I don't have enough motivation to go through the threads to correlate that data, but I imagine it's not that much of a stretch. Plain and simple, the Simpsons can't hold a candle to some of the Family Guy's stuff with my sense of humor and I'm sure there are others here that agree with that. It's just not worth the time to argue because of the numerous narrow-minded Simpsons fascists running around HF.

Hitman*

09-26-2003, 05:35 PM

If you like your humor watered down and enjoy the tradition of a show, you'll take the Simpsons. If you like biting humor that is also more crass, then you'll take the Family Guy. They require different senses of humor to enjoy them; I can't stand the wholesome family comedy of the Simpsons and I haven't watched it in years. I require a biting wit and edge to my comedy and for me, nothing compares to the Family Guy.

For some reason, I always get the impression that most of those that vote for the Simpsons are young ignoramuses that don't get a lot of the comedy in the Family Guy and similar to that movie thread "discussion" about Monty Python, they lash out at what they don't understand. The Simpsons has been too tame IMO for too many years and I'd be just as willing to watch an old Ally McBeal rerun as I would a new Simpsons.

In the words of dempsey_k, "everything is wrong with what you just said."

Aerolanche

09-26-2003, 05:44 PM

Here's one more key factor:

Has Peter Griffin ever had a catch phrase of his put in the dictionary?

Hitman*

09-26-2003, 05:45 PM

Here's one more key factor:

Has Peter Griffin ever had a catch phrase of his put in the dictionary?
:handclap: :bow: :handclap:

lux_interior

09-26-2003, 05:46 PM

tom_servo

09-26-2003, 06:04 PM

Homer.

"Lisa! In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

Yayo

09-26-2003, 06:23 PM

I like Family Guy, and I like The Simpsons, but I like Homer Simpson better than Peter Griffin. But maybe it's because I've seen all 300-something episodes of the Simpsons and only four or five episodes of Family Guy...

lux_interior

09-26-2003, 06:26 PM

dempsey_k*

09-26-2003, 06:34 PM

In the words of dempsey_k, "everything is wrong with what you just said."

But everything is right with what he just said, mindless sheep baaaaaaaaaaaa.

Simpson fans remind me of that family guy addage "Look lois, the two symbols of the republican party, an elephant and a fat white man afraid of change".

lux_interior

09-26-2003, 06:39 PM

But everything is right with what he just said, mindless sheep baaaaaaaaaaaa.

Simpson fans remind me of that family guy addage "Look lois, the two symbols of the republican party, an elephant and a fat white man afraid of change".
In the words of dempsey_k, "everything is wrong with what you just said." :p

Now excuse me while I go get my wool shorn.

dempsey_k*

09-26-2003, 06:51 PM

In the words of dempsey_k, "everything is wrong with what you just said." :p

Now excuse me while I go get my wool shorn.

Well, at least I'm being quoted more often.

think-blue-

09-26-2003, 08:17 PM

Love Peter, but gotta go with Homer. Homer is a legend.

ArtVandelei

09-26-2003, 09:27 PM

Nalyd Psycho

09-26-2003, 10:07 PM

Homer carries the Simpsons, Stewie and Brian carry Family Guy, nuff said.

dempsey_k*

09-26-2003, 11:13 PM

but that show never really caught on with me.

I could see you not understanding 70% of the jokes.

islandnucker

09-27-2003, 03:35 AM

I've watched a fair bit of both and in the end I like Homer better. Around here though that would make me an ignoramous because having your own opinion is wrong if you don't agree with Laperriere22.

Unholy Diver

09-27-2003, 06:18 AM

in a close one I gotta go with Homer, he has just been so great for so long, if family guy was on for maybe another 5 or 6 seasons peter might catch him but then again maybe not

Homer was the originator and inovator

Go Habs Go

09-27-2003, 06:40 AM

Funny that you are worried about a stereotype being created when you've already said you haven't watched enough Family Guy to have an opinion about who's better in the first place. You've basically said that you are ignorant when it comes to Family Guy; so, what counterpoint are you going to try and make when you are starting with a Simpsons only knowledge?

People that like the Simpsons better are likely the same people that vote Old School as one of the funniest movies ever. I don't have enough motivation to go through the threads to correlate that data, but I imagine it's not that much of a stretch. Plain and simple, the Simpsons can't hold a candle to some of the Family Guy's stuff with my sense of humor and I'm sure there are others here that agree with that. It's just not worth the time to argue because of the numerous narrow-minded Simpsons fascists running around HF.

You are truly sad to resort to making generalized comments like that to prove your own points. I've seen every Simpsons episodes and every Family Guy episodes. Heck, I've even seen all the Futurama episodes. The Simpsons kills Family Guy in every category, not that it's a bad show, but it's just a little weak. It get's old quick. Whenever I watch the Family Guy, I never get a sense of "OOh, I wonder what's going to happen next". It's totally predictable. Every episode follows the exact same formula and it hasn't changed since the 1st episode (except for the musicals which are beyond lame). You say it's more riske? One can call it riske, one can also call it blunt, simple jokes to easy understand. No subtlety, doesn't take much to understand their jokes. Oh, and I do enjoy good comedies like the Monty Python movies and I don't think Old School is the best movie ever. Odd that you think that The Simpsons is aimed at teenagers while you comment that it's "tamed comedy". Wouldn't that mean that it's aimed at a wider audience? Wouldn't the opposite make more sense? The fact that a teenage audience isn't the audience that Family Guy is primarily targeted is laughable.

Brock

09-27-2003, 06:51 AM

Don't really care what you see me not understanding.

I just didn't think it was funny, some of the jokes were obvious and the punch lines were on a timer, you can tell when someone was going to say something stupid.

When it first started, say 5 episodes in, it was funny and entertaining, it seemed like a good show, but after it started to get a big following, it seemed as though the show sold out with its jokes, it became predictable.

How many Family Guy episodes have you watched??

Judging by your comments above, not very many.

The MAIN reason the Family Guy is the show it is and the reason it's as funny as it is, is because of the random humour. The jokes pop out of nowhere and are completely random and generally have little to do with the actual story line of the particular episode.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 07:19 AM

I was refuting your point about correlations between people who like the Simpsons and what type of humor they like. I don't need to know anything about the Family Guy to do that. I can't speak for people who post here, but the points you made about Simpsons humor was off base to me. I base that on friends and family who like the Simpsons.

How can you refute my point when I was talking about HF posters in the first place? Nor was my brief comedy comparison a manifesto for the people either. Simpsons fans are just mongoloids. Now please accept this stereotypical truth and move on.

Are they jack-booted fascists pigs? :lol:

I believe that is true, but they probably take their boots off when momma tells them to.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 07:29 AM

I thought Old School was the best comedy in years, that Monthy Python sucked, as it was 4-5 good Python skits among a sea of mediocrity, and yet I believe Family Guy destroys Simpsons, to the point that I would rather watch 1 new epsiode of Family guy than 1 new season of Simpsons.

So I'm interested, how do I fit into your lil' generalization?

I figured some one would come along and state something like that just to separate themselves from the crowd. Sadly, you're a Leafs fan and I don't take what Leafs fan say seriously. It's just bad business to do otherwise. If you are interested in my generalization, read it closely and you'll see I use terms such as "likely" and "most". That means I worded it so that it wasn't to be interpreted as some unbending law of nature, but more of a casual stereotype I'm applying to the fanatical Simpsons fan base here to irritate them. And it's working better than a Darcy Tucker submarine hit on Mike Peca.

cybresabre

09-27-2003, 07:31 AM

Homer Simpsons in a heartbeat. No contest whatsoever. Peter Griffin is nothing more than a fake, IMO.

he's a Phoney- a great big phoney! ya hear that? Phoney!

family guy>simpsons

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 07:37 AM

Around here though that would make me an ignoramous because having your own opinion is wrong if you don't agree with Laperriere22.

No, no, no. Being a Canucks fan is what really makes you an ignoramus.

I don't require your opinion to agree with mine because I'm not into conformity and fascism, but if your self-esteem is low enough to believe what you posted, you have my sympathies (for a quarter of a second).

Now go away or I will be forced to taunt you a second time.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 07:49 AM

You are truly sad to resort to making generalized comments like that to prove your own points.

Funny stuff. Wasn't using my little flexible stereotype to prove a point; was using it to rile the simplistic Simpsons fan base. Apparently it's working just fine.

The Simpsons kills Family Guy in every category, not that it's a bad show, but it's just a little weak. It get's old quick. Whenever I watch the Family Guy, I never get a sense of "OOh, I wonder what's going to happen next". It's totally predictable. Every episode follows the exact same formula and it hasn't changed since the 1st episode (except for the musicals which are beyond lame). You say it's more riske? One can call it riske, one can also call it blunt, simple jokes to easy understand. No subtlety, doesn't take much to understand their jokes.

First sentence is your opinion. Then there's a few sentences of "Blah, blah, blah, I'm a mongoloid Simpsons fan, blah, blah, blah."

Odd that you think that The Simpsons is aimed at teenagers while you comment that it's "tamed comedy". Wouldn't that mean that it's aimed at a wider audience? Wouldn't the opposite make more sense? The fact that a teenage audience isn't the audience that Family Guy is primarily targeted is laughable.

What's laughable is your grasp of what I stated. Where did you get the conclusion that I think The Simpsons is aimed at teenagers? Was it when I used the word "watered down"? Or how about "tradition"? Those words suggest a family comedy where I come from. Debatable whether Family Guy's target audience was a teenage one. I don't find most teenagers to be informed enough to get all of Family Guy's references or mentally capable of catching all of the jokes in one sitdown. You're giving teenagers way too much credit, much like Habs fans do with their own players. Zing!

Hitman*

09-27-2003, 10:22 AM

What's laughable is your grasp of what I stated. Where did you get the conclusion that I think The Simpsons is aimed at teenagers? Was it when I used the word "watered down"? Or how about "tradition"? Those words suggest a family comedy where I come from. Debatable whether Family Guy's target audience was a teenage one. I don't find most teenagers to be informed enough to get all of Family Guy's references or mentally capable of catching all of the jokes in one sitdown. You're giving teenagers way too much credit, much like Habs fans do with their own players. Zing!

Simpsons has more jokes that the older generations get than Family Guy does. What jokes are in there that teenagers don't get?

Of course Family Guy was aimed at teenagers, it sure as hell wasn't aimed at people in their early 30s. So is the Simpsons. That is why they were both on Fox.

And if you are mentally unable to pick up all the "inside jokes" in Family Guy, you probably had a lobotamy at somepoint in your life, You give it way too much credit.

Hitman*

09-27-2003, 10:27 AM

SedinFan*

09-27-2003, 10:44 AM

The Simpsons are so done.

Griffin all the way!

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 11:05 AM

Homer carries the Simpsons, Stewie and Brian carry Family Guy, nuff said.

My thoughts EXACTLY.

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 11:10 AM

How many Family Guy episodes have you watched??

Judging by your comments above, not very many.

The MAIN reason the Family Guy is the show it is and the reason it's as funny as it is, is because of the random humour. The jokes pop out of nowhere and are completely random and generally have little to do with the actual story line of the particular episode.

He just doesn't like it. There is nothing wrong with people not liking stuff - everyone has their own taste.

It's not because someone's taste is worse than another's or because the person doesn't get the jokes - it all depends on preference.

I like both shows myself, but Family Guy, unlike the Simpsons, is so much more than one character. The Simpsons lately has been all-Homer, which still doesn't suck, but it's no longer can't-miss.

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 11:14 AM

I figured some one would come along and state something like that just to separate themselves from the crowd. Sadly, you're a Leafs fan and I don't take what Leafs fan say seriously. It's just bad business to do otherwise. If you are interested in my generalization, read it closely and you'll see I use terms such as "likely" and "most". That means I worded it so that it wasn't to be interpreted as some unbending law of nature, but more of a casual stereotype I'm applying to the fanatical Simpsons fan base here to irritate them. And it's working better than a Darcy Tucker submarine hit on Mike Peca.

HFBoards yesterday + Laperriere22 - MacDaddy = HFBoards today.

Oy.

dempsey_k*

09-27-2003, 01:04 PM

He just doesn't like it. There is nothing wrong with people not liking stuff - everyone has their own taste.

There's a difference between taste and not understanding. Vrnz doesn't understand most things.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 01:17 PM

Simpsons has more jokes that the older generations get than Family Guy does. What jokes are in there that teenagers don't get?

Of course Family Guy was aimed at teenagers, it sure as hell wasn't aimed at people in their early 30s. So is the Simpsons. That is why they were both on Fox.

And if you are mentally unable to pick up all the "inside jokes" in Family Guy, you probably had a lobotamy at somepoint in your life, You give it way too much credit.

Remind me again; is there an age group between teenagers and people in their early 30's? And did you intentionally skirt that age group or you are just that absentminded?

I doubt most teenagers can even understand what Stewie says, the vocabulary and the accents. I'm not giving Family Guy too much credit; what I am doing is not giving teenagers any credit. Big difference.

dempsey_k*

09-27-2003, 01:22 PM

And to add to that, I find the people that thought South Park was hilarious and the best show ever, are also the main audience for Family Guy. That's the more brain-dead, tasteless humour group, and because that group is so small and maturing, the show is recieing less ratings which contributes to its lower airtime.

It has nothing to do with braind-dead and tasteless humour. If that's all you see out of Family Guy and South Park (and Beavis and Butt-Head before them) then you're sorely lacking in the intuition and perception catagories of your brain. B&B-H was a parody of the losers who watched MTV from 1985-1995, from the same genius who gave us Office Space. South Park was parody of mid-western (and sometimes popular) American society, this town of idiots were the puppets to make fun of all the stupid idiotic things people do in America, and it shamelessly poked fun at our nationalism in the movie version (three years before Sept 11th).

The Simpsons were a cartoon sit-com turned astray by it's makers into something genuinely hilarious because animation is to sit-coms what film was to vaudeville. Endless possibilities where the Flintstones and Jetsons couldn't take us. All it took was a staff of brilliant writers (Matt Groening and Conan O'Brien amongst them) to launch the penultimate sit-com.

Family Guy is not a sit-com, it's a parody of the sit-com and the largest collection and most powerfully executed pop-culture reference library and self-reference library. It's the most abstract and intrinsic of all of the shows, it doesn't let the story tell the jokes, it lets the jokes tell the story. Who gives a bloody hell what Peter does that's crazy, who cares if he's the biggest loser and dummy to disgrace the television, it's so diverse and wide of a scheme that parodies so many things and references so many hilarious things that when you trip yourself up with weak and idiotic logic like "it's brain dead and tasteless", you lose out on some good laughs, well, that you're probably incapable of getting anyhow.

I mean Randy Newman ? Where the hell are you going to get Randy Newman jokes on the Simpsons ? How many Simpsons episodes were based upon or referencing Citizen Kane ? I counted 5 Family Guy episodes. What is brain dead and tasteless about a baby who sounds like Rex Harrison, is overly obsessed with matricide, is a closet bisexual and is capable of not falling too far out of reality by being mind controlled by the teletubbies like all children ?

Oh but there's Maggie, she gives funny movements of her eyebrows and sucks on her pacifier, that's just pure gold.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 01:31 PM

HFBoards yesterday + Laperriere22 - MacDaddy = HFBoards today.

Oy.

You sure told me eh? Color me impressed by your basic formula building skills. You must miss Coyote Tony/Wingman too huh?

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 01:41 PM

It has nothing to do with braind-dead and tasteless humour. If that's all you see out of Family Guy and South Park (and Beavis and Butt-Head before them) then you're sorely lacking in the intuition and perception catagories of your brain. B&B-H was a parody of the losers who watched MTV from 1985-1995, from the same genius who gave us Office Space. South Park was parody of mid-western (and sometimes popular) American society, this town of idiots were the puppets to make fun of all the stupid idiotic things people do in America, and it shamelessly poked fun at our nationalism in the movie version (three years before Sept 11th).

The Simpsons were a cartoon sit-com turned astray by it's makers into something genuinely hilarious because animation is to sit-coms what film was to vaudeville. Endless possibilities where the Flintstones and Jetsons couldn't take us. All it took was a staff of brilliant writers (Matt Groening and Conan O'Brien amongst them) to launch the penultimate sit-com.

Family Guy is not a sit-com, it's a parody of the sit-com and the largest collection and most powerfully executed pop-culture reference library and self-reference library. It's the most abstract and intrinsic of all of the shows, it doesn't let the story tell the jokes, it lets the jokes tell the story. Who gives a bloody hell what Peter does that's crazy, who cares if he's the biggest loser and dummy to disgrace the television, it's so diverse and wide of a scheme that parodies so many things and references so many hilarious things that when you trip yourself up with weak and idiotic logic like "it's brain dead and tasteless", you lose out on some good laughs, well, that you're probably incapable of getting anyhow.

I mean Randy Newman ? Where the hell are you going to get Randy Newman jokes on the Simpsons ? How many Simpsons episodes were based upon or referencing Citizen Kane ? I counted 5 Family Guy episodes. What is brain dead and tasteless about a baby who sounds like Rex Harrison, is overly obsessed with matricide, is a closet bisexual and is capable of not falling too far out of reality by being mind controlled by the teletubbies like all children ?

Oh but there's Maggie, she gives funny movements of her eyebrows and sucks on her pacifier, that's just pure gold.

I knew one of these Simpsons mongoloids would annoy you enough to put together such a detailed defense. I wasn't interested in doing it, but I commend you for it (although I doubt it makes any impact upon them).

Also, don't forget the big deal about Maggie's first word either; that was mindblowing character development.

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 01:44 PM

There's a difference between taste and not understanding. Vrnz doesn't understand most things.

I don't know him personally to comment on his intelligence.

As for Family Guy, it doesn't really take one with much intellectual capacity to get most of the jokes (decent knowledge of past and present events). I think most people that don't like the show are just not big fans of certain vulgar humour. I like most of the show's humour.

VO #23

09-27-2003, 01:47 PM

I knew one of these Simpsons mongoloids would annoy you enough to put together such a detailed defense. I wasn't interested in doing it, but I commend you for it (although I doubt it makes any impact upon them).

Also, don't forget the big deal about Maggie's first word either; that was mindblowing character development.

Riiiiight, anyone that prefers The Simpsons to Family Guy is a "mongoloid". :rolleyes:

For the record, The Simpsons are seriously played-out and The Family Guy is one of the most overrated shows (mostly by it's predominantly nerdy cult following) out there. In my opinion, anyways.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 01:52 PM

Riiiiight, anyone that prefers The Simpsons to Family Guy is a "mongoloid". :rolleyes:

For the record, The Simpsons are seriously played-out and The Family Guy is one of the most overrated shows (mostly by it's predominantly nerdy cult following) out there. In my opinion, anyways.

Well, I went with ignoramus initially, but no one seemed capable of spelling it correctly; so, I changed it to a word I assumed could be spelled more easily. Nothing worse than taking offense to the insinuation that you're an ignoramus and then misspelling the very word you're not supposed to be. So there, eyeroller!

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 01:53 PM

It has nothing to do with braind-dead and tasteless humour. If that's all you see out of Family Guy and South Park (and Beavis and Butt-Head before them) then you're sorely lacking in the intuition and perception catagories of your brain. B&B-H was a parody of the losers who watched MTV from 1985-1995, from the same genius who gave us Office Space. South Park was parody of mid-western (and sometimes popular) American society, this town of idiots were the puppets to make fun of all the stupid idiotic things people do in America, and it shamelessly poked fun at our nationalism in the movie version (three years before Sept 11th).

The Simpsons were a cartoon sit-com turned astray by it's makers into something genuinely hilarious because animation is to sit-coms what film was to vaudeville. Endless possibilities where the Flintstones and Jetsons couldn't take us. All it took was a staff of brilliant writers (Matt Groening and Conan O'Brien amongst them) to launch the penultimate sit-com.

Family Guy is not a sit-com, it's a parody of the sit-com and the largest collection and most powerfully executed pop-culture reference library and self-reference library. It's the most abstract and intrinsic of all of the shows, it doesn't let the story tell the jokes, it lets the jokes tell the story. Who gives a bloody hell what Peter does that's crazy, who cares if he's the biggest loser and dummy to disgrace the television, it's so diverse and wide of a scheme that parodies so many things and references so many hilarious things that when you trip yourself up with weak and idiotic logic like "it's brain dead and tasteless", you lose out on some good laughs, well, that you're probably incapable of getting anyhow.

I mean Randy Newman ? Where the hell are you going to get Randy Newman jokes on the Simpsons ? How many Simpsons episodes were based upon or referencing Citizen Kane ? I counted 5 Family Guy episodes. What is brain dead and tasteless about a baby who sounds like Rex Harrison, is overly obsessed with matricide, is a closet bisexual and is capable of not falling too far out of reality by being mind controlled by the teletubbies like all children ?

Oh but there's Maggie, she gives funny movements of her eyebrows and sucks on her pacifier, that's just pure gold.

Citizen Kane? Those aren't even the best jokes. Just because they reference a great film, don't make them great jokes. Peter reveals the ending - hahaha.

The Simpsons' have the funniest references to religion and old people, in my opinion. I get a bigger laugh out of that than a Citizen Kane joke.

Just me.

The best part of Family Guy to me is the dialogue. The references sometimes succeed and oftentimes fail, but the dialogue makes up for that.

dempsey_k*

09-27-2003, 01:56 PM

As for Family Guy, it doesn't really take one with much intellectual capacity to get most of the jokes (decent knowledge of past and present events). I think most people that don't like the show are just not big fans of certain vulgar humour. I like most of the show's humour.

I disagree, with watching Family Guy comes a prerequisite of minimal understanding of trash television, sociology, politics, new englanders, film history etc.

Looking from the outside in, it's hard to see it, but people's brains are shorting out when they're watching Family Guy for the story. That's dangerous, like looking at a lava lamp too long.

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 01:57 PM

You sure told me eh? Color me impressed by your basic formula building skills. You must miss Coyote Tony/Wingman too huh?

Well, at least you have an opinion. No one can take that away from you;)

dempsey_k*

09-27-2003, 02:00 PM

Citizen Kane? Those aren't even the best jokes. Just because they reference a great film, don't make them great jokes. Peter reveals the ending - hahaha.

It's more the level of thinking that reveals the source, is what I'm saying. Seth MacFarlane is without question a comic genius in this format.

VO #23

09-27-2003, 02:01 PM

Well, I went with ignoramus initially, but no one seemed capable of spelling it correctly; so, I changed it to a word I assumed could be spelled more easily. Nothing worse than taking offense to the insinuation that you're an ignoramus and then misspelling the very word you're not supposed to be. So there, eyeroller!

Heh, I'm not offended in the least as I rarely watch either of these shows if there is anything else on. My roommates have bought The Family Guy DVDs, so they've been getting played a lot at my place lately much to my annoyance. They also insist on watching The Simpsons every time they are on t.v., even if they've seen that episode a hundred times. HF has become my refuge from annoying cartoons. :p

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 02:03 PM

I disagree, with watching Family Guy comes a prerequisite of minimal understanding of trash television, sociology, politics, new englanders, film history etc.

Looking from the outside in, it's hard to see it, but people's brains are shorting out when they're watching Family Guy for the story. That's dangerous, like looking at a lava lamp too long.

Heh... Well, if one knows a little bit of everything that certainly doesn't make him/her much of an intellectual, does it?

The show is definitely not for idiots, but you overrate the IQ level of its audience - the widest audience for the show is and will remain to be kids. And most kids just know bits and pieces of this and bits and pieces of that.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 02:06 PM

Well, at least you have an opinion. No one can take that away from you;)

I don't know; if I got immediately condescending to an opposing viewpoint and totally ignored that same opposing viewpoint when it contradicted mine, I just might get my opinion taken away too. I also don't call people names, except in jest, as I'm doing throughout this thread.

Have to do something until the season starts you know? Figured I'd try out my deadpan stylings on the Simpsons folks and see how agitated I could make them to pass the time. I'm rather amused by those that see my comments as anything more than facetious.

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 02:08 PM

It's more the level of thinking that reveals the source, is what I'm saying. Seth MacFarlane is without question a comic genius in this format.

Ok, but a simple reference doesn't necessarily make a joke.

It's like a half-joke - if it doesn't have a punchline, it won't work. I find that many of the Family Guy jokes are not particularly punchline-laden, so some of them end up somewhat stale.

That said, there are so many jokes within other jokes, that you don't have that much time to think about it.

btw, Seth MacFarlane is obviously involved with the writing to a great degree, but for most episodes, he's not even listed as the head writer. He's the creator.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 02:09 PM

Heh, I'm not offended in the least as I rarely watch either of these shows if there is anything else on. My roommates have bought The Family Guy DVDs, so they've been getting played a lot at my place lately much to my annoyance. They also insist on watching The Simpsons every time they are on t.v., even if they've seen that episode a hundred times. HF has become my refuge from annoying cartoons. :p

Hmm, kind of strange to participate in threads about cartoons you are seeking refuge from isn't it?

Dr_Chimera*

09-27-2003, 02:23 PM

I don't know; if I got immediately condescending to an opposing viewpoint and totally ignored that same opposing viewpoint when it contradicted mine, I just might get my opinion taken away too. I also don't call people names, except in jest, as I'm doing throughout this thread.

Have to do something until the season starts you know? Figured I'd try out my deadpan stylings on the Simpsons folks and see how agitated I could make them to pass the time. I'm rather amused by those that see my comments as anything more than facetious.

People don't like self-congratulatory statements. And they don't like bullies.

Take it from someone who has been on these boards for a while - it won't make you feel better.

VO #23

09-27-2003, 02:44 PM

Hmm, kind of strange to participate in threads about cartoons you are seeking refuge from isn't it?

I am talking about cartoons I hate on the message board I participate in as a means of escaping the hated cartoons that are on my t.v. at this very moment. :mad:

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 02:46 PM

People don't like self-congratulatory statements. And they don't like bullies.

Take it from someone who has been on these boards for a while - it won't make you feel better.

Considering the number of times we've interacted, I don't see where you get such an impression. I rarely encounter you in the threads I'm involved in (along with many Eastern Conference posters). I'm just passing time in the Lounge; I have no emotion invested in this thread. As such, I'm not going to "feel better" nor am I congratulating myself for anything. I'm just giving people a bad time in good humor. If that's what you call bullying, I question how long you've been around a place like the Blues board, for example. Or perhaps you've never encountered KL? Or how about the numerous threads riding Russian players for their behavior and tendencies? ;)

If you think I'm the big difference between HF of yesterday and today, you probably need to get around more and if you're telling me what you're telling me while also saying that MacDaddy was a huge loss, I really have to question your judgment. MacDaddy is much more emotional and has much more of a bullying nature about him than I do. I've got nothing against him at all, but if the shoe fits...

Psychoanalysis aside, I've been at HF for almost the entire existence of the new board and a little on the old format as well. Your guidance is unnecessary and misplaced IMO.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 02:48 PM

I am talking about cartoons I hate on the message board I participate in as a means of escaping the hated cartoons that are on my t.v. at this very moment. :mad:

:lol:

redux46

09-27-2003, 02:54 PM

There’s no doubt both The Simpson’s and Family Guy have changed the whole cartoon sitcom genre forever. However, it’s very funny reading posts from people arguing that Family Guy jokes require a high level of intelligence. There was nothing ingenious about Quagmire’s perversity, nor was their anything original about Peter Griffin, who was a carbon copy of Homer.

If you want to compare the shows, just look at the longevity of The Simpson’s and Family Guy. Family guy managed a paltry three seasons on air, while The Simpson’s have done the impossible for a cartoon and gone for over a decade.

People who consider Family Guy to be show that requires astuteness are the same people who admire post-modern art.

lux_interior

09-27-2003, 03:00 PM

eSabre

09-27-2003, 03:22 PM

Also remember that the strong ratings Family Guy has gotten at 11:00pm on Cartoon Network has prompted them to go into production of a 4th season.

I'm a really big Simpsons fan, I mean whenever it's on, I don't care if I've seen it a hundred times, I'm going to watch it. But I'm becoming a bigger Family Guy fan. I think Family Guy is much more spontaneous than the Simpsons. The Simpsons is formulaic (always starting with some storyline that is funny but not enough to carry it's own show, but changes directions to something entirely new) and they're resorting to cheap laughs in newer episodes than storyline development. In the first few seasons, it was a sitcom, there were situations people actually deal with put in the show. But as the show went on, the plot development weakened (ex: Bart gets emancipated and moves into his own place in the same building as Tony Hawk). A once great show is worse. I'm still watching it though.

But Family Guy is my new favorite. It's got better developed perimeter charcters (Quagmire: o-right! giggity-giggity...) and intelligent pop-culture references in EVERY episode. But what makes it great is the out-of-nowhere jokes (the Lindbergh baby one still makes me laugh whenever I think about it...). I can't wait until the new season.

In the end, the characters:
Lois > Marge
Chris < Bart
Meg < Lisa
Stewie >>>> Maggie
Brian >>>> Santa's Little Helper
Quagmire > Flanders
Spooner St. > Evergreen Terrace
The Drunken Clam > Moe's

but in the end, until Family Guy gets more seasons under it's belt..
Peter < Homer

Burke's Evil Spirit

09-27-2003, 03:48 PM

Homer never asked Marge if she was pregnant, and upon hearing no, pushed her down the stairs.

Peter Wiggin is clearly the winner.

ArtVandelei

09-27-2003, 05:37 PM

People don't like self-congratulatory statements. And they don't like bullies.

Take it from someone who has been on these boards for a while - it won't make you feel better.

Thanks, this HAD to be said.

Laperriere22*

09-27-2003, 06:01 PM

However, it’s very funny reading posts from people arguing that Family Guy jokes require a high level of intelligence.

More faulty conclusion-making. I don't think anyone has said it requires a high level of intelligence. You do require a good background of knowledge to catch all the references and most teenagers don't have the background to catch all the references. That is what I've been saying. Family Guy isn't high brow comedy, but some of the jokes are more complex than your typical Man Show for example.

If you want to compare the shows, just look at the longevity of The Simpson’s and Family Guy. Family guy managed a paltry three seasons on air, while The Simpson’s have done the impossible for a cartoon and gone for over a decade.

No, let's not look at the longevity of the shows. It's not a good basis for comparison. Fox network executives are not a benchmark to base comparisons by nor is public acceptance. I'd rather watch Titus over Friends, but basing it on longevity, Titus doesn't even deserve mention in comparison. Longevity doesn't mean squat when comparing comedy styles IMO. Your argument (like many others before you) is based on Nielsen ratings and TV executive's decisions. That's not something to base a comparion of these two shows on. Do you also compare music based on its position on a music sales chart?