Preseason: Devils vs. Flyers 9/26

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 04:15 PM
3-1 Flyers in the 2nd period so far.

Game Summary (Unofficial)

Game 0066
Friday, September 26, 2003
at Wachovia Center
Start 7:00 PM ET
Period 2 (10:31 Remaining)

PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
Game 4 Home Game 3
SCORING SUMMARY
G Per Time Team Goal Scorer Assist Assist N.J PHI STR
1 1 2:55 PHI M. HANDZUS (1) S. GAGNE (1) J. WILLIAMS (1) 4 58 57 47 35 28 26 5 33 23 14 12 EV
2 2 2:20 PHI P. SHARP (1) M. RECCHI (1) K. JOHNSSON (1) 4 58 57 47 35 28 32 5 33 23 20 8 EV
3 2 5:37 PHI J. VANDERMEER (1) J. ROENICK (1) 4 35 29 27 23 23 6 97 33 11 EV
4 2 6:01 N.J A. FOSTER (1) I. PIKKARAINEN (1) T. PIHLMAN (1) 47 4 58 57 35 27 6 33 25 24 23 PP







NEW JERSEY DEVILS PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
# Per Time Player PIM Penalty # Per Time Player PIM Penalty
1 2 3:05 27 S. NIEDERMAYER 2:00 Roughing 1 1 9:12 37 E. DESJARDINS 2:00 Interference
2 2 3:37 16 M. RUPP 2:00 Unsportsmanlike conduct 2 2 3:05 87 D. BRASHEAR 2:00 Roughing
3 2 4:24 Team 2:00 Too many men/ice - bench








GOALS BY PER. SHOTS ON GOAL PENALTIES-MIN POWERPLAY
(GOALS-OPP) FACE-OFFS
N.J PHI N.J PHI N.J PHI N.J PHI N.J % PHI %
1 0 1 1 7 11 1 0-0 1-2 1 0-1 0-0 O 4-3 57 3-2 60
2 1 2 2 5 6 2 2-4 2-4 2 1-1 0-1 D 2-3 40 3-4 43
Time 2:24 0:47 N 8-11 42 11-8 58
T 14-17 45 17-14 55

GOALIES (GOALS-SHOTS AGAINST) THREE STARS OFFICIALS
1 2 3 T Time # 1 Referee: Terry Gregson
N.J SCHWAB 1-11 2-6 3-17 29:00 # 2 Referee: Craig Spada
PHI HACKETT 0-7 1-5 1-12 29:00 # 3 Linesman: Jean Morin
Linesman: Brian Murphy

JasonMacIsaac
09-26-2003, 04:19 PM
ADRIAN FOSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! is injury prone

NJ_Devil_Boy
09-26-2003, 04:29 PM
Adrian Foster 1 (power play) (Ilkka Pikkarainen, Thomas Pihlman)

I don't know what is more impressive...

1a) Adrian Foster actually playing
1b) Foster playing with an injury
1c) Foster scoring a goal

2) NJ scored on the powerplay

3) Could this be something will be seeing in the future? (as of right now, 3 non-roster guys)

The preseason hasn't been too good, but I'm not concerned.

1) Brodeur has been solid when he's played and NJ has responded.
2) Only play in June matters. :yo: (Stanley Cup baby!!! :rolly: )

JasonMacIsaac
09-26-2003, 04:38 PM
I think Lou is licking his chops, he knows with the rookies doing so well he can cut free some of the older players. Friesen only has a one year deal, Madden is a UFA, Pandolfo could be cut, Elias and Gomez can become expendable, Marshall can go. ect Lou should have a really really low salary cap when hockey is played next after the lockout.

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 04:53 PM
New Jersey 2:08, Patrik Elias 1 (Grant Marshall)

JasonMacIsaac
09-26-2003, 04:58 PM
Tied you mean
Marshall

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 05:00 PM
New Jersey 4:55, Grant Marshall 1 (Scott Niedermayer, Scott Gomez)

JasonMacIsaac
09-26-2003, 05:06 PM
Stevens Fought Brashear, I hope Stevens injures him.

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 05:12 PM
Looked like Brash was intent on starting WWIII in the 2nd period. Good to see Stevens answering the call.

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 05:16 PM
Philadelphia 14:39, Michal Handzus 2 (unassisted)

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 05:22 PM
New Jersey 16:14, Michael Rupp 1 (Scott Niedermayer)

Winston Wolf
09-26-2003, 05:29 PM
Roenick in OT!!! :rolly:

Winston Wolf
09-26-2003, 05:54 PM
Stevens Fought Brashear, I hope Stevens injures him.

I doubt it, because Brashear was 1st star of the game and didn't do anything else worthy of being 1st star. Have to see in the postgame summary.

JasonMacIsaac
09-26-2003, 06:39 PM
I am really impressed with this result judging by the weak young roster we sent out. This is great news that our AHL team is competing at the NHL level to some degree.

Brad*
09-26-2003, 07:06 PM
I am really impressed with this result judging by the weak young roster we sent out. This is great news that our AHL team is competing at the NHL level to some degree.
Elias, Gomez, Stevens, Niedermayer, Rupp, White, etc...

That's quite the AHL roster, isn't it?

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 07:11 PM
Elias, Gomez, Stevens, Niedermayer, Rupp, White, etc...

That's quite the AHL roster, isn't it?

Clemmenson, Foster, Hale, Hulbig, Martin, Pihlman, Pikkarainen, and Suglobov were all in for the Devils and are all likely candidates for Albany once preseason ends. Not bad at all.

Brad*
09-26-2003, 07:16 PM
Clemmenson, Foster, Hale, Hulbig, Martin, Pihlman, Pikkarainen, and Suglobov were all in for the Devils and are all likely candidates for Albany once preseason ends. Not bad at all.
Big deal.

Philadelphia had AHL guys playing as well, so what's his point? Regardless, it's still a meaningless game.

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 07:31 PM
Preseason games are all about experimenting with new line combinations and players in the pursuit of discovering who looks most ready to make the jump to the NHL. I'm happy as hell that Elias had six shots on goal tonight and that Foster got an opportunity to show he can score against the big boys. Lots of encouraging signs for NJ thus far.

Devils Unseen Hand
09-26-2003, 07:41 PM
I'm surprised they didn't call up Skrlac for this game. Has he even played in a preseason game yet?

dedalus
09-26-2003, 07:48 PM
Big deal.

Philadelphia had AHL guys playing as well, so what's his point? Regardless, it's still a meaningless game.

Do I hear sour grapes?

The Flyers had one AHL forward playing: Sharp. That doesn't quite compare with the Devils' handful. The fact that that the Flyers' starting goalie played the entire 62:29 while the Devils played their third string goalie for more than half the game also speaks far more in the Devils' favor.

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 08:01 PM
I'm surprised they didn't call up Skrlac for this game. Has he even played in a preseason game yet?

I don't think he has yet TDR. The Devils are more focused on possibly uncovering more goal scoring, more size upfront, more controlled nastiness etc... along with projecting how close players like Hale and Martin are to being fit for prime time action over addressing a need for a full fledged enforcer type imo.

ZadorovNJD*
09-26-2003, 08:14 PM
Does anyone know how many points Rupp has so far in his preseason games?

JasonMacIsaac
09-26-2003, 08:17 PM
Well Pihlman, Suglobov, Hulbig, Hale, Martin, Foster, Pikkarenen, Rupp isn't the strongest group of players in the world, there is a good chance all but one will be in the AHL.

JasonMacIsaac
09-26-2003, 08:22 PM
Brashear will get his, Stevens of old days would have layed a snot kicking on him. Do I only wish we trade for Laraque (way tougher then brashear), the guy has been gooning it up vs our team all preseason. I hope Stevens throws a Stevens type hit on him and ends his carrer, I really hate Brashear, won't fight someone tougher then him, goes for non fighters. I remember actually he backed down from Laraque.

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 08:40 PM
Does anyone know how many points Rupp has so far in his preseason games?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/devils/pre-stats.htm

PRESEASON 2003-2004 NEW JERSEY DEVILS (1-2)
POS NO. PLAYER GP G A PTS PIM PP SH GW GT S PCTG
RW 12 Friesen, Jeff 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 33.3
C 16 Rupp, Michael 3 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 25.0
RW 15 Langenbrunner, Jamie 2 0 2 2 14 0 0 0 0 5 0.0
LW 18 Brylin, Sergei 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2 50.0
D 27 Niedermayer, Scott 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 7 14.3
RW 29 Marshall, Grant 2 1 0 1 19 0 0 0 0 3 33.3
RW 9 Bicek, Jiri 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 0.0
LW 17 Berglund, Christian 2 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 5 0.0
C 23 Gomez, Scott 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0.0
F 56 *Suglobov, Aleksander 2 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
D 38 *Martin, Paul 3 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 2 0.0
C 10 Rasmussen, Erik 3 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
D 4 Stevens, Scott 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---
LW 46 Crozier, Greg 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---
C 22 Darby, Craig 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---
D 6 Albelin, Tommy 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---
LW 51 *Balmochnykh, Maxim 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
RW 59 *Janssen, Cam 1 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 ---
D 28 Rafalski, Brian 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
LW 20 Pandolfo, Jay 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0
D 7 Giroux, Ray 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
RW 14 Gionta, Brian 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0.0
LW 26 Elias, Patrik 2 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 0 8 0.0
D 5 White, Colin 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0
C 11 Madden, John 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
D 34 *Hale, David 3 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 2 0.0
D 2 Brown, Sean 3 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 5 0.0
LW 57 *Pihlman, Tuomas 3 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 4 0.0
TEAM TOTALS 3 5 10 15 63 0 0 1 0 73 6.8
OPPONENT TOTALS 3 8 16 24 42 1 0 2 0 76 10.5

RK NO GOALTENDER GPI MINS AVG W L T EN SO GA SA SV% G A PIM
30 Brodeur, Martin 2 70 0.00 1 0 0 0 0 0 26 100.0 0 0 0
40 Clemmensen, Scott 1 20 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 100.0 0 0 0
35 Schwab, Corey 2 60 5.00 0 2 0 0 0 5 27 81.5 0 0 0
31*Ahonen, Ari 1 29 6.21 0 0 0 0 0 3 15 80.0 0 0 0
TEAM TOTALS 3 180 2.67 1 2 0 0 1 8 76 89.5 0 0 0
OPPONENT TOTALS 3 180 1.67 2 1 0 0 0 5 73 93.2

***Add 1 goal, +1, 2 shots on goal, 2 PIM's to Rupp's totals from last nights game and he's leading the team with 3 points thus far. Tied for first in scoring with Niedermayer and Marshall.***

ZadorovNJD*
09-26-2003, 09:10 PM
[url]C 16 Rupp, Michael 3 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 25.0

Thanks, hopefully he can keep it up into the preseason...

FlyersGuy69
09-26-2003, 09:53 PM
Brashear will get his, Stevens of old days would have layed a snot kicking on him. Do I only wish we trade for Laraque (way tougher then brashear), the guy has been gooning it up vs our team all preseason. I hope Stevens throws a Stevens type hit on him and ends his carrer, I really hate Brashear, won't fight someone tougher then him, goes for non fighters. I remember actually he backed down from Laraque.
never fights other fighters huh??
in 2003:
how about Steven Peat 2 times, Tie Domi, Andrie Nazarov, Eric Cairns, Darren McCarthy, Jim McKenzie, Darren Langdon, Dale Puriton to name a few. next time you should look these things up when you don't know what your talking about.

now don't be so mad because he beat your boy Stevens up.

Unthinkable
09-26-2003, 10:03 PM
never fights other fighters huh??
in 2003:
how about Steven Peat 2 times, Tie Domi, Andrie Nazarov, Eric Cairns, Darren McCarthy, Jim McKenzie, Darren Langdon, Dale Puriton to name a few. next time you should look these things up when you don't know what your talking about.

now don't be so mad because he beat your boy Stevens up.

Nazarov shouldn't be in this list in my opinion. I watched every fight Andrei Nazarov had when he was with the Boston Bruins and I honestly don't remember him ever once coming out victorious. Only thing he was good for was tying up the opponent before falling down or getting slammed down by his opponent. His fights fall under one of two categories: either the standard wrestling match non-fight or him getting his head punched in variety.

JasonMacIsaac
09-26-2003, 10:17 PM
Where is Worrel and Laraque? They are the ones he will back down from. there are other and I will post them tomorow. The guy is a bully.

He basicly jumped Stevens, and Stevens won't miss next time.

paxtang
09-26-2003, 10:24 PM
Brashear has fought both Worrel and Laraque. And while Nazarov still sucks, he has improved since the Bruins.

FlyersGuy69
09-26-2003, 10:44 PM
He basicly jumped Stevens, and Stevens won't miss next time.
if your going to run at a fighter, you have to know he's going to jump on ya and he did. don't worry, Stevens is a big boy, he can take.

Gags1288
09-26-2003, 10:55 PM
Where is Worrel and Laraque? They are the ones he will back down from. there are other and I will post them tomorow. The guy is a bully.

He basicly jumped Stevens, and Stevens won't miss next time.

Did you watch it or are you going by what has been said? Steven's tried to hit Brashear with a big hit and Donald got away from most of it. That would piss me up if a guy was head hunting in the preseason too. So he went and beat him up. Quite frankly, I wish a lot more people did that to Scott Stevens and a lot more people HATE him than Brashear. I can tell you that I wouldn't mind seeing Scott's career ended by a huge hit where he didn't get up.

Battleship
09-27-2003, 04:43 AM
http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1064641817293890.xml

Saturday, September 27, 2003

BY RICH CHERE
Star-Ledger Staff

PHILADELPHIA -- As he always does, Devils captain Scott Stevens took care of business.

Although the Devils fell to the Flyers, 5-4, in overtime last night in a preseason game at the Wachovia Center, it was a second period hit from Stevens against Philadelphia enforcer Donald Brashear that will remain in the minds of both teams.

Brashear, who angered the Devils Tuesday night in Trenton by punching Grant Marshall while the right winger was lying on the ice, was dropped by an open-ice hit from Stevens as he skated to the top of the slot at 5:30 of the second. Brashear challenged Stevens to a fight and the Devils' veteran defenseman, who long ago proved that he was one of the game's fiercest players, held his own.

"I had a chance to hit him and he didn't like it," Stevens said of Brashear. "He took exception and I responded. I'll be there. That's fine."

Brashear, who was knocked down by Stevens' shoulder, received an instigating penalty and a 10-minute misconduct in addition to the fighting major. Stevens got five for fighting.

"They're all clean hits with him. If a guy comes across, he's going to hit him," Brashear said. "That's what it's all about. I don't care. I can take (the hits), but he's going to pay the price, that's all."

The Devils and Flyers meet again tonight at Continental Airlines Arena, their fourth and final meeting of the preseason. It is not known whether Brashear will make the trip or whether Stevens will dress for the Devils.

Coach Pat Burns said he knew Stevens and Brashear were destined to come to blows.

"They'd been jostling most of the night," Burns said. "I knew something was going to happen. Anybody who comes into the zone with their head down like that should know Scotty's going to greet you."

The Flyers blew a 3-0 lead before winning on Jeremy Roenick's power-play goal after 2:29 of overtime, but Stevens and the Devils sent a message that they will not tolerate Brashear's abuse all season.

"I though that was George Foreman," defenseman Brian Rafalski said of Stevens, his defense partner. "That was the first one since he fought Rick Tocchet here (in 2000-01). That was a good scrap, too."

If familiarity breeds contempt, the Devils and Flyers are sure to loath each other once the regular season begins.


Notes:

Adrian Foster scored the Devils' first goal. Patrik Elias, Marshall and Mike Rupp also scored for the Devils. ... Corey Schwab started the game in goal and allowed three goals on 17 shots before being replaced by Scott Clemmensen at 9:00 of the second period. Clemmensen stopped 13 of 15 shots.

Brashear spent most of the second period in the penalty box. After his hit on the much-smaller Brian Gionta, Brashear was sent off for mixing it up with Scott Niedermayer. Later, Brashear tripped Patrik Elias and then drew a penalty for charging Aleksander Suglobov.

Burns used the following line combinations: Elias-Scott Gomez-Marshall, Brian Gionta-Rupp-Aleksander Suglobov, Jay Pandolfo-John Madden-Joe Hulbig, Tuomas Pihlman-Foster-Ilkka Pikkarainen. ... Defense pairings were Stevens-Rafalski, Colin White-Scott Niedermayer and Paul Martin-David Hale"

dedalus
09-27-2003, 04:57 AM
"They're all clean hits with him. If a guy comes across, he's going to hit him," Brashear said. "That's what it's all about. I don't care. I can take (the hits), but he's going to pay the price, that's all."

This is an attitude that I find more and more bothersome in the league. If it was a clean hit, why the need for retribution? Suck it up like a man. This isn't just Brashear, it seems like every goon in the leaqgue feels the need to start a fight with an opposing player simply for laying on a good, clean, hard hit.

M V Pete
09-27-2003, 08:01 AM
I can tell you that I wouldn't mind seeing Scott's career ended by a huge hit where he didn't get up.


That's just disgusting imo....

but then again, when have Philly fans ever shown much class.

MattNJD
09-27-2003, 08:45 AM
I can tell you that I wouldn't mind seeing Scott's career ended by a huge hit where he didn't get up.

Wow, true class from another Philly fan. I'm hoping you wrote that in the spur of the moment cause you were upset that the Flyers had to wait until overtime to beat the River Rats last night... Honestly, how could you wish that on another human being? I'm sure that there are some Philly fans that aren't idiot's but it's a shame that the morons are always the one's with the biggest mouths and are always remembered.

MattNJD
09-27-2003, 08:47 AM
This is an attitude that I find more and more bothersome in the league. If it was a clean hit, why the need for retribution? Suck it up like a man. This isn't just Brashear, it seems like every goon in the leaqgue feels the need to start a fight with an opposing player simply for laying on a good, clean, hard hit.

Ya know, I agree. If you get nailed *CLEANLY* than swollow your pride and keep your head up next time. Hockey isn't chess, you sometimes get hit, no matter how good you are.

Andre the Gionta
09-27-2003, 09:41 AM
I can tell you that I wouldn't mind seeing Scott's career ended by a huge hit where he didn't get up.

Then you are simply a classless fool.

Gags1288
09-27-2003, 09:51 AM
I'm sorry, but I find the guy to be disgusting. It's one thing to hit hard, it's another thing to hit with a clear intent to injure, which he does. I can't have any respect for a guy that says that he knew Lindros was the only one who could beat them, so he wanted to take him out. I put Stevens in the same boat as Marchment, they both do things with an intent to injure and I don't mind when they get a taste of their own medicine.

Gags1288
09-27-2003, 09:53 AM
Wow, true class from another Philly fan. I'm hoping you wrote that in the spur of the moment cause you were upset that the Flyers had to wait until overtime to beat the River Rats last night... Honestly, how could you wish that on another human being? I'm sure that there are some Philly fans that aren't idiot's but it's a shame that the morons are always the one's with the biggest mouths and are always remembered.
I'm sure many Devils fans were not upset when Stevens injured Lindros and for all intensive purposes, ended his career. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe you guys were upset at Stevens. Again, someone who does things with an intent to injure, deserves a taste of his own medicine, just my opinion though. He's a head hunter, plain and simple, and I don't respect that.

Gags1288
09-27-2003, 09:55 AM
And don't you think it's a little ironic that you guys are upset at Brashear for going after Stevens, when Scott was obviously trying to knock him out cold in a preseason game?

dedalus
09-27-2003, 06:11 PM
And don't you think it's a little ironic that you guys are upset at Brashear for going after Stevens, when Scott was obviously trying to knock him out cold in a preseason game?

And don't you think it's a little hypocritical of you to write that you want Steven's career ended after you condemn him for "all intensive [sic] purposes, [ending] Lindros' career"?

FearTheFlyers
09-28-2003, 05:10 AM
And don't you think it's a little hypocritical of you to write that you want Steven's career ended after you condemn him for "all intensive [sic] purposes, [ending] Lindros' career"?

He said it in retaliation because there are 10 of you attacking Brashear for beating up too many of your players..

You guys don't think it's sad that you are discussing who to trade for so the guy can beat up brashear?

And it's still preseason!!!!

Missionhockey
09-28-2003, 05:57 AM
He said it in retaliation because there are 10 of you attacking Brashear for beating up too many of your players..

You guys don't think it's sad that you are discussing who to trade for so the guy can beat up brashear?

And it's still preseason!!!!

IMO Brashear deserves to get the snot beat of him. Sinse when do enforcers keep punching a player after hes hit the ice. I do not wish a career ending injury on him or anything like that. (only a few players on the leafs I wish that on)