Fog Devils ticket prices

Season tickets are $500 for the endzones and $525 for the sidelines at Mile One. That's around $14.25 and $15, respectively, a ticket over 35 games... not exactly a big savings since tickets were initially reported to be $14.75. Will be interested to see if they offer any flex-packs, since I don't think I'll be able to use a full season-ticket.

Singles won't be much cheaper than Leafs tickets were.

Season tickets are $500 for the endzones and $525 for the sidelines at Mile One. That's around $14.25 and $15, respectively, a ticket over 35 games... not exactly a big savings since tickets were initially reported to be $14.75. Will be interested to see if they offer any flex-packs, since I don't think I'll be able to use a full season-ticket.

Singles won't be much cheaper than Leafs tickets were.


Too expensive, you guys are getting ripped off, especially for an expansion team.

Season tickets are $500 for the endzones and $525 for the sidelines at Mile One. That's around $14.25 and $15, respectively, a ticket over 35 games... not exactly a big savings since tickets were initially reported to be $14.75. Will be interested to see if they offer any flex-packs, since I don't think I'll be able to use a full season-ticket.

Singles won't be much cheaper than Leafs tickets were.
Here in shawinigan its 180 for a student and 305 for adults.
Quite cheap for good hockey!!

Too expensive, you guys are getting ripped off, especially for an expansion team.

We'll considering we have to pay a large travel fee for all teams visting Newfoundland, we aren't.

Here in shawinigan its 180 for a student and 305 for adults.
Quite cheap for good hockey!!

How many teams can Shawinigan reach in a 6 hour drive?

How many teams can St. John's reach in a 6 hour drive?

That is why tickets are more expensive.

We'll considering we have to pay a large travel fee for all teams visting Newfoundland, we aren't.

i don't know about that. sure, there is a travel subsidy, but these prices are still too high. they can't use that as an excuse for high prices all the time.

the dobbins know people will pay though, and they are going to make a fortune.

i don't know about that. sure, there is a travel subsidy, but these prices are still too high. they can't use that as an excuse for high prices all the time.

the dobbins know people will pay though, and they are going to make a fortune.

who's paying the Fog Devils to coach them, Frankie, even Saint John is better organized :biglaugh:

i don't know about that. sure, there is a travel subsidy, but these prices are still too high. they can't use that as an excuse for high prices all the time.

Double agreed.

i don't know about that. sure, there is a travel subsidy, but these prices are still too high. they can't use that as an excuse for high prices all the time.

Ok, you admit there is a travel subisdy... but then say ticket prices are still to high? So what is an acceptable price for you? Take the travel subsidy they pay to the league\teams away... and they are still going to have higher prices... why? Because it's going to cost more for the Devils to travel to destinations abroad. And then when you add on the travel subsidy + the questions rising around attendance for a expansion Q team in a new market... well, then you get a fairly high ticket price.

Are the Dobbin's going to make money, you bet... wanna know why? Because they are running a business... not a chairty for Newfoundlanders who want to watch hockey.

If the ticket prices were $1 or $2 more than what Leafs tickets were, then I'd be saying they were to high. They aren't, actually there about $2+ cheaper...

Ok, you admit there is a travel subisdy... but then say ticket prices are still to high? So what is an acceptable price for you? Take the travel subsidy they pay to the league\teams away... and they are still going to have higher prices... why? Because it's going to cost more for the Devils to travel to destinations abroad. And then when you add on the travel subsidy + the questions rising around attendance for a expansion Q team in a new market... well, then you get a fairly high ticket price.

Are the Dobbin's going to make money, you bet... wanna know why? Because they are running a business... not a chairty for Newfoundlanders who want to watch hockey.

If the ticket prices were $1 or $2 more than what Leafs tickets were, then I'd be saying they were to high. They aren't, actually there about $2+ cheaper...

i just think the travel subsidy excuse is too convenient. no doubt they have to pay more for travel, but i also have no doubt they have taken full advantage of that fact.

no problem with the dobbins making money. great for them if they can do it.

i figured i'd be paying $3-4 less per ticket then i did for the leafs. this is junior hockey where the players are not paid. it should be significantly cheaper.

i just think the travel subsidy excuse is too convenient. no doubt they have to pay more for travel, but i also have no doubt they have taken full advantage of that fact.

no problem with the dobbins making money. great for them if they can do it.

i figured i'd be paying $3-4 less per ticket then i did for the leafs. this is junior hockey where the players are not paid. it should be significantly cheaper.

Yeah, I too was thinking that tickets would come in around $13 or so, not just north of $15.

i just think the travel subsidy excuse is too convenient. no doubt they have to pay more for travel, but i also have no doubt they have taken full advantage of that fact.

I don't doubt that there probably is a buffer in there, but IMO it's probably better for an expansion team to have that buffer instead of running the risk of losing tonnes of money. But the travel subsidy isn't a convenient way to gouge the fans... its reality... it sucks but they have to pay it.

i figured i'd be paying $3-4 less per ticket then i did for the leafs. this is junior hockey where the players are not paid. it should be significantly cheaper.

If you were paying $3-4 less per ticket then you'd be paying about the league average (QMJHL) per ticket. So where does the travel subsidy come for if our prices are the same as say the Oceanic? Are the Dobbins supposed to take that money out of their own pockets, and make far less on their team than other owners? Because that's what your saying...

Maybe you think the travel subisdy is something the Dobbins made up to get more money out of the fans... but they didn't. It was a condition that was known before they were awarded the team. And it's not just the travel subsidy you have to consider, like I said before the Fog Devils travel costs to other locations will be conisderablly higher than other teams.

I really don't understand the problem here... hockeys fans are going to be seeing much better hockey, and have a much much more competitive team then we had before... and we are getting it for a cheaper price... yet we still complain???

I don't doubt that there probably is a buffer in there, but IMO it's probably better for an expansion team to have that buffer instead of running the risk of losing tonnes of money. But the travel subsidy isn't a convenient way to gouge the fans... its reality... it sucks but they have to pay it.

come on, there's a big buffer there. there's no risk of this team losing money. you don't sound too confident that this new team is going to work financially.

the travel subsidy is a convenient way to gouge the fans. they're taking full advantage of it. this is a cash cow for the dobbins (again, nothing wrong with that).

If you were paying $3-4 less per ticket then you'd be paying about the league average (QMJHL) per ticket. So where does the travel subsidy come for if our prices are the same as say the Oceanic? Are the Dobbins supposed to take that money out of their own pockets, and make far less on their team than other owners? Because that's what your saying...

i don't think that's what i'm saying at all.

i paid 16.50 for each ticket last year for the ahl. this year i'll pay 15 for each ticket. i think it should be around 13.50 per ticket for season ticket holders. then maybe 15 for walk-ups?

i'm pretty sure that would more than cover the costs of the travel subsidy and still line everyone's pockets quite well.

but i can't say that for sure. if you have actual figures and numbers to back up what you're saying, by all means share them. in the meantime, i think its naive to say that the dobbins basically have to have such high ticket prices. i think they are choosing to have such high prices.

I really don't understand the problem here... hockeys fans are going to be seeing much better hockey, and have a much much more competitive team then we had before... and we are getting it for a cheaper price... yet we still complain???

i'm not complaining too much. i'm going along with what they're offering.

it will be more exciting hockey for me. but i guess that's in the eye of the beholder.

fact is, it won't be better hockey. the quality of play will not be as good. we have gone from professionals to junior amateurs. i highly doubt we'll have a competitive team this year, or next year.

therefore, the prices should be significantly lower, but they aren't. i'm going along with it for this year, and i can't wait til they get started and see what its all about.

fact is, it won't be better hockey. the quality of play will not be as good.

I disagree. As for everything else you said... where are you getting this notion that the travel subsidy is come big conspiracy to get money from the fans?

I disagree. As for everything else you said... where are you getting this notion that the travel subsidy is come big conspiracy to get money from the fans?

i'd love to hear the argument for the qmjhl being better hockey than the ahl. especially since only 5-10% of juniors even make it to the ahl.

it might be more exciting, more entertaining, and more fun. but it isn't better quality hockey. i think most people realize the ahl is a step up from junior.

wouldn't call it a conspiracy, but they are milking it for all its worth. the subsidy is only about 175,000 isn't it? that's peanuts really. and its a great excuse to jack up the prices.

i'd love to hear the argument for the qmjhl being better hockey than the ahl. especially since only 5-10% of juniors even make it to the ahl.

it might be more exciting, more entertaining, and more fun. but it isn't better quality hockey. i think most people realize the ahl is a step up from junior.

Well the more exciting, more entertaining, and more fun parts certainly come into the equation. IMO I'd rather watch a Q game, than an AHL game... your opinion may differ...

wouldn't call it a conspiracy, but they are milking it for all its worth. the subsidy is only about 175,000 isn't it? that's peanuts really. and its a great excuse to jack up the prices.

I'm not sure on the $175,000 figure... but for arguments sake lets say it's right. If that was it then the Fog Devils need to make $5,000 extra a game. Now lets say the avg. attendence is somewhere around 5,000 next year, thats being extremly optimistic... so they need to make an extra $1.00 on each ticket. Remember that's only if they get 5,000 people a game... which they probably won't...

So those figures are only regarding the travel subsidy they have to pay to the other teams... what about the huge travel costs the Fog Devils are going to rack up travelling much further than most Q teams travel. Other teams can easily travel by bus... the Devils can't. So that's another large sum of money the team has to make up...

And finally you have to remember that the Dobbin's really gave in to SJSE on the deal for Mile One.... who knows what thats going to cost them in a monetary value?

Besides thinking that the Dobbin's are milking this for all it's worth, do you have anything to base this on? I don't doubt that they probably put an extra cushion in their... but to say they are gouging the fans, without and actual proof, is ludacris.

Well the more exciting, more entertaining, and more fun parts certainly come into the equation. IMO I'd rather watch a Q game, than an AHL game... your opinion may differ...

i'd rather watch the qmjhl too, but it isn't better hockey.

i'd rather watch a q game than an nhl game, but i wouldn't expect to pay as much or more to see the q game.

I'm not sure on the $175,000 figure... but for arguments sake lets say it's right. If that was it then the Fog Devils need to make $5,000 extra a game. Now lets say the avg. attendence is somewhere around 5,000 next year, thats being extremly optimistic... so they need to make an extra $1.00 on each ticket. Remember that's only if they get 5,000 people a game... which they probably won't...

So those figures are only regarding the travel subsidy they have to pay to the other teams... what about the huge travel costs the Fog Devils are going to rack up travelling much further than most Q teams travel. Other teams can easily travel by bus... the Devils can't. So that's another large sum of money the team has to make up...

And finally you have to remember that the Dobbin's really gave in to SJSE on the deal for Mile One.... who knows what thats going to cost them in a monetary value?

you paint a dark picture there. if all that is true, this team won't last 2 years. it cannot work financially under those circumstances.

but i don't think those circumstances are accurate at all. i'm sure they'll get 5000 a game. i don't know about the dobbins, but i know that sjse was basing its figures on getting 5000 per game when they tried to get the team. i think tickets will be hard to come by, even if the team isn't very good.

Besides thinking that the Dobbin's are milking this for all it's worth, do you have anything to base this on? I don't doubt that they probably put an extra cushion in their... but to say they are gouging the fans, without and actual proof, is ludacris.

no, i have no proof at all. no access to the numbers.

but the dobbins are not stupid. in fact they're brilliant businessmen, and they wouldn't have done all this work if this wasn't going to be a cash cow for them. this is not a risky venture, as you make it sound.

you can be sure that their income will greatly outweigh their expenses, travel included. so i can't accept the "travel and travel subsidy" excuse for the high ticket prices.

anyway, european draft today!

i'd rather watch the qmjhl too, but it isn't better hockey.

i'd rather watch a q game than an nhl game, but i wouldn't expect to pay as much or more to see the q game.

Well I tend to consider a more entertaining and fun to watch product "better". You might have another definition, and thats fine. I just don't think that just because there is more talent in a league that it makes the product better.

you paint a dark picture there. if all that is true, this team won't last 2 years. it cannot work financially under those circumstances.

Yes it will work, and the picture isn't dark. I just listed financial reasons why the travel subsidy & higher ticket prices are needed to bring the team to the same profit level as every other Q team. Every other team doesn't have to consider these other costs, but in order for the Dobbins to get the same profit out of the Fog Devils they need to have higher ticket prices because their expences are higher.

but i don't think those circumstances are accurate at all. i'm sure they'll get 5000 a game. i don't know about the dobbins, but i know that sjse was basing its figures on getting 5000 per game when they tried to get the team. i think tickets will be hard to come by, even if the team isn't very good.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. One day they might reach that level, but as an expansion team for the first couple of seasons they won't. But even if they did, my example took into consideration that they would reach that optimistic level...

no, i have no proof at all. no access to the numbers.

So you're assuming the worst, because????

but the dobbins are not stupid. in fact they're brilliant businessmen, and they wouldn't have done all this work if this wasn't going to be a cash cow for them. this is not a risky venture, as you make it sound.

The Dobbins are indeed brilliant business men. And I have no doubt this will be a cash cow for them, just like it is for every other Q team owner. But if the Dobbins want to make the same profit as other owners, and their expences are obvioulsy much higher... then don't you think they have to make the differnce up somewhere? Or do you expect them to make less than all the other owners out of kindness?

you can be sure that their income will greatly outweigh their expenses, travel included. so i can't accept the "travel and travel subsidy" excuse for the high ticket prices.

I think I covered this as much as I could above... the extra ticket cost is their to recoup costs that no other team has to pay out. If they didn't charge it the Dobbins would be making a chunck less than what other teams are making... is it fair to expect them to take this cost out of their own pocket?

anyway, european draft today!

Cool! Can't wait!

Cool! Can't wait!

FDs picked Henrik Bergfors 2nd overall, and the Swedish guys on the board seem to think that it's almost a slam-dunk that he will be coming over.

Good times!!!

FDs picked Henrik Bergfors 2nd overall, and the Swedish guys on the board seem to think that it's almost a slam-dunk that he will be coming over.

Good times!!!

You'll really enjoy the guy if he comes over, and that'll give me a reason to go see the Fog Devils when they come in Chicoutimi. And I hope you get to like him enough to call him by his real name; which is Nicklas, not Henrik. ;)

And I hope you get to like him enough to call him by his real name; which is Nicklas, not Henrik. ;)

Pfft, tell that to Henrik. ;)

Yes it will work, and the picture isn't dark. I just listed financial reasons why the travel subsidy & higher ticket prices are needed to bring the team to the same profit level as every other Q team. Every other team doesn't have to consider these other costs, but in order for the Dobbins to get the same profit out of the Fog Devils they need to have higher ticket prices because their expences are higher.

so now you're saying the high tickets prices are for the dobbins' profit, not just to cover the costs of travel. that's what i've been saying all along.

its wrong to just throw your hands up and say they have to have such high ticket prices to cover their costs. they are choosing to have such high prices so that they'll get a terrific, quick return on their investment.

The Dobbins are indeed brilliant business men. And I have no doubt this will be a cash cow for them, just like it is for every other Q team owner. But if the Dobbins want to make the same profit as other owners, and their expences are obvioulsy much higher... then don't you think they have to make the differnce up somewhere? Or do you expect them to make less than all the other owners out of kindness?

I think I covered this as much as I could above... the extra ticket cost is their to recoup costs that no other team has to pay out. If they didn't charge it the Dobbins would be making a chunck less than what other teams are making... is it fair to expect them to take this cost out of their own pocket?

is it a cash cow for every qmjhl team? i'm sure some of them make more money then others. some are probably just breaking even. maybe some other more experienced q followers can help us out here.

for arguments' sake, lets assume all qmjhl teams are a cash cow. i don't understand why you're so concerned that the dobbins make as much as everyone else.

as you've pointed out, st.john's is a different situation then anywhere else due to our geography. its costs more to run a team out of here. maybe the owners have to concede that they will not make as much as other teams?

the extra cost has to come out of somebody's pocket. why should it be yours and mine? ultimately the fans will decide. if the prices get too high (and you can be sure they're going up every year), the fans won't buy them. then the owners will have to make a choice.

either the owners make less then other teams, or the fans pay a lot more then they do anywhere else for the same product. until i'm an owner, i'm going to side with the fans.

its no more fair for the fans here to have to take the extra costs out of our pockets than it is for the owners to take it out of theirs.

FDs picked Henrik Bergfors 2nd overall, and the Swedish guys on the board seem to think that it's almost a slam-dunk that he will be coming over.

Good times!!!

Good times indeed. :yo:

This is going around in circles...

so now you're saying the high tickets prices are for the dobbins' profit, not just to cover the costs of travel. that's what i've been saying all along.

Ok first I've been saying the whole time that the high ticket prices are there to put the Fog Devils ownership on the same footing as every other ownership group. As for what I think you're saying... you're saying that the Dobbins should be responsible for taking on the extra costs it will take to run the team in Newfoundland.

This is basic business... when a company comes to a place where there operating costs are higher they are going to pass that extra cost on to the consumer. Sure it would be swell if they didn't, but that just doesn't happen in real life apart for some pretty rare occassions... and I really don't expect the Dobbins to do this, and I certainly don't fault them for that.

its wrong to just throw your hands up and say they have to have such high ticket prices to cover their costs. they are choosing to have such high prices so that they'll get a terrific, quick return on their investment.

I'm not throwing my hands up and saying they have to, well maybe I am... but I'm not doing it because I take everything without a fight... I'm accepting it because this is how business works.

And the Dobbins aren't choosing this ticket prices to intentionally gouge fans for the fun of it, they are doing it to be on an equal playing field as other owners. Unless you have proof the Dobbins are out to rob us blind, you're not going to convince me otherwise... I'm not in the habit of assuming guilt without proof.

is it a cash cow for every qmjhl team? i'm sure some of them make more money then others. some are probably just breaking even. maybe some other more experienced q followers can help us out here.

What? You're the one who said the Fog Devils are going to be a cash cow for the Dobbins... I just agreed with you. If the FD's are a cash cow... isn't it a safe assumption to say the others are? Or are you saying they are a cash cow because of the extra ticket cost?

If you are, then I repeat what I said before... the extra ticket price is meant to recoup the extra operating expences they have to bear by running a team in Newfoundland.

for arguments' sake, lets assume all qmjhl teams are a cash cow. i don't understand why you're so concerned that the dobbins make as much as everyone else.

Because as with any other hockey team... the more money they make the more they can spend on coaches, scouts, etc. If the Dobbins didn't pass the cost on to us, then they'd be starting out handicapped compared to every other Q team... what would that accomplish?

as you've pointed out, st.john's is a different situation then anywhere else due to our geography. its costs more to run a team out of here. maybe the owners have to concede that they will not make as much as other teams?

Well they could do that, or they could raise prices a nominal amount and pass it onto the customers... of wait they already are doing that! :)

the extra cost has to come out of somebody's pocket. why should it be yours and mine?

Because that's how economics works. When a company has an extra operating cost they tend to pass that on to the consumer. Which is why when gas prices go through the roof we often see the cost of grocery items go up because shipping costs are greater... do we expect Loblaws or Sobeys to pay those extra costs themselves?

ultimately the fans will decide. if the prices get too high (and you can be sure they're going up every year), the fans won't buy them. then the owners will have to make a choice.

Couldn't agree more. If the fans think these prices are outragously high then no one will show up... However I think the average fan, is going to look at the ticket price compared to what they had to pay for a Leafs game... and see a savings.

either the owners make less then other teams, or the fans pay a lot more then they do anywhere else for the same product. until i'm an owner, i'm going to side with the fans.

That's perfectly fine, you can side with whatever side you want. I don't think my position is siding with ownership... I'm just telling you why the prices are higher than other teams.

its no more fair for the fans here to have to take the extra costs out of our pockets than it is for the owners to take it out of theirs.

Actually it pretty much sucks we have to bare the extra costs... but that's life.

This is going around in circles...

yes it is.

Ok first I've been saying the whole time that the high ticket prices are there to put the Fog Devils ownership on the same footing as every other ownership group. As for what I think you're saying... you're saying that the Dobbins should be responsible for taking on the extra costs it will take to run the team in Newfoundland.

first, you're assuming that every q team makes the same amount of money. are all the owners on an equal footing? i highly doubt it. does acadie-bathurst make the same amount of money as the halifax mooseheads? i doubt it. this is why i asked if a q team is a cash cow for every owner. it is for some. i'm sure it isn't for others. the fog devils will be one of the richer teams, given the great building they play out of, the corporate support they'll have, and the high ticket prices people will be willing to pay.

yes, the dobbins are absolutely responsible for the extra costs of running a team here. they own the team. its their responsibility. how they choose to deal with it is up to them. they're choosing to pass it on to the customers, which is normal business practice, as you say. but i don't think the fans here are dumb enough to simply look and see that they are saving a few pennies over last year (a professional team, a step above the qmjhl) and be happy with that. surely people will also look at what other fans in the q are paying for the same product.

i'm of the firm belief that the current prices are above and beyond what is necessary to cover the travel costs and put the dobbins on an equal footing with other owners. i think they're at the absolute maximum they could go and still expect anybody to buy season tickets.

i'm of the firm belief that the current prices are above and beyond what is necessary to cover the travel costs and put the dobbins on an equal footing with other owners.

This is the crux of our disagreement. You have assumed, I'm still not sure why, that the $2-3 more we are paying will far outweigh the extra cost the Dobbins must pay to operate the team in Newfoundland. I, on the other hand, am of the opinion that unless I see proof that we are being ripped off... then I'm going to assume we are not. From the numbers that have been talked about regarding the subsidy + extra travel cost for the FD's... I think the numbers add up... you don't.