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Good, let the young guys develop..he's proven....we still need a stud though but decent... a 1yr deal supposedly

oh man...but in the long run it's a good idea.

Wow...Great Pickup, we needed halp on D and this gives ther young kids a chance to develop :handclap: :yo: :bow:

Wow...Great Pickup, we needed halp on D and this gives ther young kids a chance to develop :handclap: :yo: :bow:
Not a bad pickup at all even if it's only for one season...HOWEVER; I hope Fergie doesn't stop there.....I'd still like to see the Leafs pickup someone better than Klee for our blueline.

Klee should be a solid addition.

Nice surprise, as I did not see this coming.

So far so good for Fergie.......He's gotten us Nieuwendyk and Klee.....I have a sneaky hunch that he's not finsihed just yet.

Fantastic signing. Klee is a good guy, although slightly dirty, but oh well, he's good anyways!

Nobody will like to play the Leafs this season.

Fantastic signing. Klee is a good guy, although slightly dirty, but oh well, he's good anyways!

Nobody will like to play the Leafs this season.

Yep.........I wonder whose the next addition to our club?

nice pick-up i think the only young d-man that had a shot this year was KONDRETIEV. watch for a trade to take place for another scoring forward . BUT DO NOT TRADE DOMI OR TUCKER
Another scoring forward?............who do you think we should go after next w17glen?

hmm nothing i've heard except their looking to trade a forward and a young d-man for a scorer. :dunno:
Wow........interesting........I wonder who that might be?

I hope Carlo is your 5th or 6th.

well my 6 d-man would be mccabe,kaberle marchment,klee,jackman and bryan berard lol NOT AKI BERG :mad: as for carlo i think 1 more year for the young guns but don't hesitate calling them up if injured :yo:

Berard?.......hmmmm

Id have it like this:

Klee - Kaberle
McCabe - Coliacavo
Marchment- Berg/Belak/Jackman

Id have it like this:

Klee - Kaberle
McCabe - Coliacavo
Marchment- Berg/Belak/Jackman
You'd put Klee ahead of McCabe?....hmmmm

out of the blue they sign Klee.
This gives me an eery feelin McCabe's injury is more serious then we first thought

You'd put Klee ahead of McCabe?....hmmmm

Defense pairings are not the same as the depth charts. Renberg plays on the top line fairly often, but isn't a top three forward on this team at all.

out of the blue they sign Klee.
This gives me an eery feelin McCabe's injury is more serious then we first thought

I don't know about that. Reports say they've been trying to sign Klee for a while but he was unwilling to sign a deal for under 2 years since he didn't want to uproot his family.

Besides, McCabe's supposedly right on schedule. At least, according to what they were saying on LeafsTV a few days ago. Who knows if something has happened, but I wouldn't look much into it.

Defense pairings are not the same as the depth charts. Renberg plays on the top line fairly often, but isn't a top three forward on this team at all.
OK....I can see your reasoning there.....that makes sense to pair those two up together.

You'd put Klee ahead of McCabe?....hmmmm

last year it was Blake-Morris with Foote on the second pairing. does this mean Foote is worse then Morris?

I like the signing espescially at only 1 yr, it's a good fit and Klee is a solid 2nd pairing guy.

Gives us a fairly solid defence corp 1-6, no huge holes but no standouts either. Reminds me a little of Philly's defence from last season in that respect.

Kaberle - McCabe
Klee - Jackman
Marchment - Berg
Pushor

And remember that Pilar could be back soon as well, although he now has next to no leverage on any contract negotiations. Id still like to see one of the young guys given a shot if they're ready. Perhaps Ferguson feels that none of them are, and if that's the case then fine. We certainly seem to have some good depth at every position now anyway.

It's a good sign.It shows fergie knows the defense is this teams achilles heel and that they wont be rushing the young guys who arent ready.If mccabe was/is badly injured, our depth would have been woeful.I agree with allowing the likes of hedin,kondratiev,pilar,covo etc prove they are ready.We are now a top 2 defenseman away from being a contender.This must be a now or never team.Belfour is 40,mogilny,roberts,renberg,nieuwendyk etc are on their last years and sundin ,nolan aint getting any younger.Its win now or never for this team.After the strike we will have plenty of young defenseman now ready for the nhl:Hedin,kondratiev,pilar,covo,harrison.With roberts,reichel,mogilny,nieuwendyk,belfour all on expiring contracts the leafs should have lots of money to go land some superstars(ufa).

I like the signing espescially at only 1 yr, it's a good fit and Klee is a solid 2nd pairing guy.

Gives us a fairly solid defence corp 1-6, no huge holes but no standouts either. Reminds me a little of Philly's defence from last season in that respect.

Kaberle - McCabe
Klee - Jackman
Marchment - Berg
Pushor

And remember that Pilar could be back soon as well, although he now has next to no leverage on any contract negotiations. Id still like to see one of the young guys given a shot if they're ready. Perhaps Ferguson feels that none of them are, and if that's the case then fine. We certainly seem to have some good depth at every position now anyway.

Ya that's the pairing I like best....McCabe-Kaberle....why break up something that we know already works?

I'm very curious to see what's going to happen next, actually. I think, with the acquisition of Klee, Berg is pretty much gone. It's sad, really. He has the size, speed and skill to be a top defenseman, but he's never been able to put it together. Doubtful he ever will. I was hoping he would break out this season, but with the number of defensemen along with the players starting to pass him on the depth chart I think his time as a Maple Leaf is coming to an end.

I'm very curious to see what's going to happen next, actually. I think, with the acquisition of Klee, Berg is pretty much gone. It's sad, really. He has the size, speed and skill to be a top defenseman, but he's never been able to put it together. Doubtful he ever will. I was hoping he would break out this season, but with the number of defensemen along with the players starting to pass him on the depth chart I think his time as a Maple Leaf is coming to an end.
I agree with you there but who do you think would want to have Aki Berg on their hockey club?

Wow...Great Pickup, we needed halp on D and this gives ther young kids a chance to develop :handclap: :yo: :bow:

I would like to see Ferguson and Quinn give Kondratiev or Coliacovo a chance to play alongside Klee. Or, barring the inclusion of one of the rookies, I think that Klee might allow Jackman to be a little more offensive than he was last year -- which was always his strong suit. They could make a decent second-pairing with Klee playing anchor. Both can skate, can hit, and have a little bit of a mean streak. They could make a very nice pair.

I like the signing espescially at only 1 yr, it's a good fit and Klee is a solid 2nd pairing guy.

Gives us a fairly solid defence corp 1-6, no huge holes but no standouts either. Reminds me a little of Philly's defence from last season in that respect.

Kaberle - McCabe
Klee - Jackman
Marchment - Berg
Pushor

And remember that Pilar could be back soon as well, although he now has next to no leverage on any contract negotiations. Id still like to see one of the young guys given a shot if they're ready. Perhaps Ferguson feels that none of them are, and if that's the case then fine. We certainly seem to have some good depth at every position now anyway.


Assuming that no trades are imminent, once Pilar is back, the St. John's defense will be quite impressive this year. Pilar, Cola, Harrison, Bell, etc.
Not bad at all. The competition should help them all develop as well.

Assuming that no trades are imminent, once Pilar is back, the St. John's defense will be quite impressive this year. Pilar, Cola, Harrison, Bell, etc.
Not bad at all. The competition should help them all develop as well.
Yes..........the future for Toronto's defence looks very bright indeed.........All that Fergie has to work on now is the Present day Leafs defence...........Klee is a good start.

I agree with you there but who do you think would want to have Aki Berg on their hockey club?

Quite a few teams are in need of defensive help. Berg's underrated by a lot of fans. That's not to say that he's a great defenseman because he certainly isn't. We all saw what Boughner went for. I'd say that Berg's value is higher than that. Both are #5 defenseman, but one is 32-33 while the other is 26 and still developing. History has shown us that GM's pay extra when taking into account a player's upside.

With all that said, Berg still won't fetch a whole lot by himself. Put together with a prospect and/or pick you could get something definitely worthwhile.

I agree with you there but who do you think would want to have Aki Berg on their hockey club?

He's not THAT bad.

Yes..........the future for Toronto's defence looks very bright indeed.........All that Fergie has to work on now is the Present day Leafs defence...........Klee is a good start.

Something bigger may be afoot. With the play of Kondratiev and Colaicovo, not to mention Jackman and Hedin looking reasonably well, in some ways the Leafs are in a position to deal from strength. They could reasonably afford to part with a couple of these guys to strengthen themselves on the first and second pairings. Perhaps not tommorrow, but in a couple of months when Pilar and others have had a chance to stretch their legs and put up some numbers in St. John's. Suddenly, the drafting and trading for d-men under Quinn should look a lot better to his various critics.

Quite a few teams are in need of defensive help. Berg's underrated by a lot of fans. That's not to say that he's a great defenseman because he certainly isn't. We all saw what Boughner went for. I'd say that Berg's value is higher than that. Both are #5 defenseman, but one is 32-33 while the other is 26 and still developing. History has shown us that GM's pay extra when taking into account a player's upside.

With all that said, Berg still won't fetch a whole lot by himself. Put together with a prospect and/or pick you could get something definitely worthwhile.

Who knows?.....maybe Chicago will want him........they need all the help they can get on their blueline as well........and Mike Smith doesn't mind picking up players off of the Leafs roster either.

Something bigger may be afoot. With the play of Kondratiev and Colaicovo, not to mention Jackman and Hedin looking reasonably well, in some ways the Leafs are in a position to deal from strength. They could reasonably afford to part with a couple of these guys to strengthen themselves on the first and second pairings. Perhaps not tommorrow, but in a couple of months when Pilar and others have had a chance to stretch their legs and put up some numbers in St. John's. Suddenly, the drafting and trading for d-men under Quinn should look a lot better to his various critics.

If the Leafs do go after some more help for their defence it may be down the road right before the trading deadine and not necessarily this week or this month........maybe by then one team that looks to miss out on the playoffs that wasn't expecting to ends up making a deal with the Leafs and the Leafs end up getting a guy for their blueline then alot cheaper than what it would cost them if they were to make such a deal now.

Something bigger may be afoot. With the play of Kondratiev and Colaicovo, not to mention Jackman and Hedin looking reasonably well, in some ways the Leafs are in a position to deal from strength. They could reasonably afford to part with a couple of these guys to strengthen themselves on the first and second pairings. Perhaps not tommorrow, but in a couple of months when Pilar and others have had a chance to stretch their legs and put up some numbers in St. John's. Suddenly, the drafting and trading for d-men under Quinn should look a lot better to his various critics.

I was thinking the same thing....

NHL: Kaberle, McCabe, Klee, Jackman, Marchment, Berg, Pushor, Belak

AHL: Pilar, Colaiacovo, Harrison, Bell, Hedin, Kondratiev, Chartier, Kelly

That's some solid depth. No one really stands out at this time, but top-to-bottom it's pretty solid. I dont think there's been this much depth on the defence for some time and I could easily see us packaging a couple together to snag a more significant asset. And this doesnt even include guys like White and Doherty still in juniors or NCAA.

You'd put Klee ahead of McCabe?....hmmmm

hmmmmmmmm ;) :rolly:

hmmmmmmmm ;) :rolly:
I have to admit here to everyone that I haven't seen to much of Ken Klee and I'm only going by with what others in here are telling me about him.

I have to admit here to everyone that I haven't seen to much of Ken Klee and I'm only going by with what others in here are telling me about him.

I wouldn't put Klee ahead of McCabe. Bryan plays good with Kabby throw someone like Klee on the second unit.. Klee is a good defencive guy who will allow someone like Carlo or Hedin to roam ...... so that would be a better combo as I see it.

I agree with you there but who do you think would want to have Aki Berg on their hockey club?

A fair number of teams IMHO.
He's still young and has potential to improve as he's only 26yrs old, while nearing his athletic prime.
He'd come fairly cheaply, while offering size and a bit of pysical play.
Hardly a standout, but he's a perfectly suitable #6 D-Man with a small upside.

I havent been big on the idea of signing Klee, and I'm still not thrilled with it but it doesnt seem as though our younger D-Man are ready to step up.
Given that it's only a 1yr deal it should be a respectable signing.
He's a good third pairing D-Man in my mind, though on the Leafs he'll likely slot in one the second line.

I'm pleased that all of our acquisitions have been 1yr deals, it sets us up nicely for post-CBA while opening up room for any younger guys that may be ready to step up.


Still a below average defence, but markedly better then it was.
What I wouldnt give to see the Leafs acquire a solid top two guy...


Does anyone have any idea on the terms of the contract?

Excellent signing for the leafs.They give up no prospects,picks or players and he moves all but two of our d-men down the depth chart to a more realistic role for themselves.It also buys some time for the promising young defensemen to hone their skills and gain some more much needed experience.Acquiring a guy like Klee through a trade later on this season would have required losing assets we simply cannot afford to lose.Even if it is deemed necessary to acquire another veteran d-man later on at least we wont be viewed as *desperate* by the other gms who would quite possibly ask for more than a fair return.

We still have only an average defense,but at least we got the kind of player we needed.Now unless one of the young guns can show they will be capable of putting up a few points(which may happen) then i'd like to see an offensive 2nd unit PP guy signed before long.

So far so good Fergie.

great signing... would have sucked if it was longer though.


Now:

Kaberle McCabe
Klee Marchment
Berg Belak/Hedin


not too shabby.


Imho i think berg will grow and develop nicely.

With this acquisition and the play of hedin ,kondratiev there is no room for berg.The leafs will be aching to play their picks and Quinn aint Gm no more.At this point he has no role to play.Marchment,klee,McCabe,jackman are all more physical,kaberle is more skilled and hedin and kondratiev are younger and we drafted them.Berg becomes redundant as he is no longer a young prospect.I could see tucker,berg and bell fetching a good number 2 vet dman though. Leaf defense in no real order:

McCabe Klee
Kaberle Marchment
Jackman Hedin
Kondratiev Pushor/Belak

Better than last years defense but still missing something that Berg cant give.Quinn may be loyal to Berg but fergie wont be.

:

McCabe Klee
Kaberle Marchment
Jackman Hedin
Kondratiev Pushor/Belak

Better than last years defense but still missing something that Berg cant give.Quinn may be loyal to Berg but fergie wont be.

It's also missing something that Berg can give, and that is size. Last season in the playoffs he (and to a lesser extent Svehla) was the only defencemen capable of handling the Philadelphia forwards in the defensive zone.

Good signing. Gritty, physical player. I wonder how much $ he got though...

Kaberle - McCabe
Klee - Jackman
Marchment - Hedin

This signing will also give Kondratiev more time to develop in St.Johns were he will get more ice time. I still think it would have been better to sign Tverdovsky instead of Marchment and then Klee, you get an offensive defenseman and a physical defensive defense man.

Id have it like this:

Klee - Kaberle
McCabe - Coliacavo
Marchment- Berg/Belak/JackmanWhy? Jackman is twice the player Coli is right now. Put Coli on the Rock until he gets bigger and figures out his defensive play a ltittle better.

i told u klee would give in and take fergy's one yr offer ;)

now they can sit back and wait until after xmas, that's when they make the big catch!

Ya that's the pairing I like best....McCabe-Kaberle....why break up something that we know already works?
Me too.

Although Berg is really disappointing me this pre-season. I was hoping he might step up. I think he needs to go with a package for a D man better than any of the above line-up, or at l;east better than everyone except Kaberle.

I think Klee will release Jackman's talent.

JF - good call stick the kids in the minors where they belong.

i told u klee would give in and take fergy's one yr offer ;)

now they can sit back and wait until after xmas, that's when they make the big catch!

Ya you did tell us.....you're right........

OK now let's play the guessing game p.l.f.........who do you feel the "Big Catch" will be for the Leafs after X-mas?

I'm very curious to see what's going to happen next, actually. I think, with the acquisition of Klee, Berg is pretty much gone. It's sad, really. He has the size, speed and skill to be a top defenseman, but he's never been able to put it together. Doubtful he ever will. I was hoping he would break out this season, but with the number of defensemen along with the players starting to pass him on the depth chart I think his time as a Maple Leaf is coming to an end.Agreed, Berg is gone in some sort of a package.

JF still has money to spend. I look for the following two things by Christmas:

1. They have a top 7 defense, now I will look for a trade to make them better by signing a top 3 caliber guy.

2. more depth up front in the form of a good, tough winger who can play defense and score a few.

The following guys I think are expendable (and of value to other teams) in JF's mind:

- Domi, Berg, Tucker, Coliaiacovo, Kidd, maybe McCabe, maybe Antrovpov.

Hey, what the hell, you have to give up something to get something. I think JF is going to want to make a major trade in the late fall, early winter - to put his imprint on this team.

Keep in mind -- Quinn is no longer the GM and JF can tell him to shut his cake hole if he is so inclined.

Ya you did tell us.....you're right........

OK now let's play the guessing game p.l.f.........who do you feel the "Big Catch" will be for the Leafs after X-mas?


gonchar :)

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Hey ya!..........he would be an AWSOME addition to the Leafs, especially their Powerplay.......

How about Jagr?.......you think he's staying in Washington?.........I mean if we're gonna be talking to them about Gonchar then why not also bring up Jagr's name as well right?

jagr's makes 10 million a yr is it?

so thats too much.

jagr's makes 10 million a yr is it?

so thats too much.
Is he on the last year of his contract?

i dont think so

i dont think so

What about Ziggy Palffy?........If the Kings miss out on the playoffs they may want to go ahead and dump some of their salary over there........I wonder how much they're paying Palffy out there in L.A?

do you think they'll get another scorer?

i just figured they'd throw it all at a key defenseman

do you think they'll get another scorer?

i just figured they'd throw it all at a key defenseman

If it were up to me p.l.f. I'd certainly go in that direction....I think we're ok up front and in Goal.......I think we only need to fine tune or group of defencemen.......we need a Stud back there not no #3 or #4 guy.....we already have enough of those here in Toronto

Kaberle-Klee
McCabe-Jackman
Marchment-Kondratiev

or

Kaberle-McCabe
Kondratiev-Klee
Marchment-Jackman

I actually like the first option even tho it has Klee on the top pairing. He is capable of playing 20-21 minutes a night and plays extremely well defensively. It would allow Kaberle to really explode offensively.

Kaberle-McCabe
Kondratiev-Klee
Marchment-Jackman



Might as well take Kondratiev out and put in Berg.

Might as well take Kondratiev out and put in Berg.

What about Hedin? I'd rather see him in there as a 25 year old than the younger Kondratiev...

Might as well take Kondratiev out and put in Berg.
Who knows?.....maybe the Leafs end up taking both Kondratiev and Berg and fill up that final roster spot with someone who is not in our Leafs organization.........yet.

Is he on the last year of his contract?
No he's not and i may be wrong but i believe the caps are on the hook for roughly another 40-50 million over the next 4-5 years.

No he's not and i may be wrong but i believe the caps are on the hook for roughly another 40-50 million over the next 4-5 years.

Who is the genius who decided to give Jagr 11 million?!

Might as well take Kondratiev out and put in Berg.

I think Berg is expendable at this point and combined with a decent prospect may get Leafs a better player ... If the kids impress Quinn then they may make room for one of them at Berg expense..

We have defensive depth now, but will we still have it after waiverdraft?

I am mystified by Ferguson's decision to sign Klee now instead of waiting until after the waiverdraft, unless he has some trades already planned to trim some of our spare #6/#7 defensemen). If waiverdraft started tomorrow, it would be a slaughter...

We have defensive depth now, but will we still have it after waiverdraft?

I am mystified by Ferguson's decision to sign Klee now instead of waiting until after the waiverdraft, unless he has some trades already planned to trim some of our spare #6/#7 defensemen). If waiverdraft started tomorrow, it would be a slaughter...

Dump in Reichel.

We have defensive depth now, but will we still have it after waiverdraft?

I am mystified by Ferguson's decision to sign Klee now instead of waiting until after the waiverdraft, unless he has some trades already planned to trim some of our spare #6/#7 defensemen). If waiverdraft started tomorrow, it would be a slaughter...

The Klee signing is even stranger now that the Leafs will have to leave someone else exposed... If they would have waited a few more days to sign him than they could have protected an additional player ..

or maybe that was the point of the whole thing in the first place..

The Klee signing is even stranger now that the Leafs will have to leave someone else exposed... If they would have waited a few more days to sign him than they could have protected an additional player ..

or maybe that was the point of the whole thing in the first place..

I think so, JF eluded to his discussions involving trades as well as the signing of Klee. He said this on Leafs TV before the game yesterday. I am expecting another minor trade soon, and a mjor one before Christmas.

hard to figure who klee will fit in with

i would think :

kaberle mccabe - offensive pair
marchment klee - defensive pair
berg jackman - bit of both
pushor

but if marchment looks tired they might have to try:

kaberle mccabe
klee jackman
berg marchment
pushor

or

kaberle klee
mccabe jackman
berg marchment
pushor

mccabe is better on the right side tho

hard to figure who klee will fit in with

i would think :

kaberle mccabe - offensive pair
marchment klee - defensive pair
berg jackman - bit of both
pushor

but if marchment looks tired they might have to try:

kaberle mccabe
klee jackman
berg marchment
pushor

or

kaberle klee
mccabe jackman
berg marchment
pushor

mccabe is better on the right side tho

I would think your last pairing is the closest...

Klee has been covering the 1 dimentional Gonchar ass for years and he would allow Kaberle more freedom to pinch and take chances offensively..

While McCabe and Jackman would be a good fit..

No he's not and i may be wrong but i believe the caps are on the hook for roughly another 40-50 million over the next 4-5 years.

OUCH!...Poor Capitals

[QUOTE=The Messenger]I would think your last pairing is the closest...

Klee has been covering the 1 dimentional Gonchar ass for years and he would allow Kaberle more freedom to pinch and take chances offensively..



would that kaberle klee pairing have enough size?

what a steal btw, we got klee for only 1.5 million

[QUOTE=The Messenger]I would think your last pairing is the closest...

Klee has been covering the 1 dimentional Gonchar ass for years and he would allow Kaberle more freedom to pinch and take chances offensively..



would that kaberle klee pairing have enough size?

what a steal btw, we got klee for only 1.5 million

I like McCabe and kaberle and Klee and Jackamn -- I think Klee will allow Jackamn to reach his potnetial.

I like the signing espescially at only 1 yr, it's a good fit and Klee is a solid 2nd pairing guy.

Gives us a fairly solid defence corp 1-6, no huge holes but no standouts either. Reminds me a little of Philly's defence from last season in that respect.

Kaberle - McCabe
Klee - Jackman
Marchment - Berg
Pushor

And remember that Pilar could be back soon as well, although he now has next to no leverage on any contract negotiations. Id still like to see one of the young guys given a shot if they're ready. Perhaps Ferguson feels that none of them are, and if that's the case then fine. We certainly seem to have some good depth at every position now anyway.

now that's more like it... I really hope the Leaf's give Jackman the opportunity to grab that top 4 spot.

Colaiacovo and Kondratiev, although they had solid camps, will be better served on the Rock getting top icetime anyways.

A fair number of teams IMHO.
He's still young and has potential to improve as he's only 26yrs old, while nearing his athletic prime.
He'd come fairly cheaply, while offering size and a bit of pysical play.
Hardly a standout, but he's a perfectly suitable #6 D-Man with a small upside.

I havent been big on the idea of signing Klee, and I'm still not thrilled with it but it doesnt seem as though our younger D-Man are ready to step up.
Given that it's only a 1yr deal it should be a respectable signing.
He's a good third pairing D-Man in my mind, though on the Leafs he'll likely slot in one the second line.

I'm pleased that all of our acquisitions have been 1yr deals, it sets us up nicely for post-CBA while opening up room for any younger guys that may be ready to step up.


Still a below average defence, but markedly better then it was.
What I wouldnt give to see the Leafs acquire a solid top two guy...


Does anyone have any idea on the terms of the contract?

personally, I think calling the D "below average" is giving into the opinions of the hysterial naysayers. Realistically, if you look at all of the other defence corps around the league the Leafs fall somewhere in the middle with some definite room for improvement.

I know the grass is always greener, but I am fairly happy with our grass. :D

Why? Jackman is twice the player Coli is right now. Put Coli on the Rock until he gets bigger and figures out his defensive play a ltittle better.

exactly....

whats the harm in letting the kid develop some more outisde of the fish bowl?

Signing Klee does make the Leafs defense average (though maybe still on the down-side of average), but personally if the leafs are going to win this year (ie - beat the Sens, Aves, Wings, Devils etc...) they need to be better then average. Its a good move, but more is needed.

I would like to see Klee with kaberle, because as it was already pointed out Klee knows how to cover an offensive defenseman and when Kaberle joines the rush he can cover for him in the defensive end of things. However IF Kondratiev (and he's probably the front running rightnow) makes the Toronto team this year he'll HAVE to be paired with Kaberle, in that case I'd like to see Klee with McCabe, hopefully he'll have the same affect on McCabe that Wesley had on him.