EDM/CHI speculation (with a source)

I haven't seent eh link on-line yet, but in today's print edtion of the EDM Journal, they mention that if Comrie is moved it might be to CHI for Arnason, perhaps with the deal expanded (no speculation on other pieces)

What might be some trades that make sense for both clubs, with Arnason and Comrie involved, or does it seem unworkable to Hawks fans?

Comrie's value, even a Comrie in a contract dispute, is higher than Arnason's.

I haven't seent eh link on-line yet, but in today's print edtion of the EDM Journal, they mention that if Comrie is moved it might be to CHI for Arnason, perhaps with the deal expanded (no speculation on other pieces)

What might be some trades that make sense for both clubs, with Arnason and Comrie involved, or does it seem unworkable to Hawks fans?
link, speeds?

link, speeds?

haven't seen one yet, but why would I lie about a source like this, when anyone who's from EDM could easily call me on it?

If we are talking the Hawkes I would almost bet that he'd (Lowe) ask for Calder. Lowe loves the home grown boys, and Calder, from Manville(sp), which is an hour east of Edmonton, would be perfect for that. But I dont' think either of them are enough to get Comrie..... Maybe through in a second? Even then though I'm not that crazy about it.

haven't seen one yet, but why would I lie about a source like this, when anyone who's from EDM could easily call me on it?
i'd like you to read the rules speeds...i don't mean to be prude but hey...

i'd like you to read the rules speeds...i don't mean to be prude but hey...
Radio rumors can be verified by another poster, but newspapers require a hard link? That's stupid.

I'm holding the same newspaper in my hand, and it says If Lowe decides to trade Comrie, one possible destination is Chicago, for center Tyler Arnason. He was in the running for the NHL's rookie-of-the-year award last season. Another player could be tossed in the deal or the could make the deal bigger by adding a second Oilers player.

-compiled by Joanne Ireland, with files from Jim Matheson

Good enough?

The reason why there's no link is because canada.com holds the articles from places like the Journal and the Calgary Herald. It's almost impossible to find the articles because the site is so inept - the articles are updated at about 7:00PM every night.

Comrie,Rita/Moreau
for
Arnason,McCarthy,4th.

I replied a couple of weeks ago on about a 48th no. or so, but no response.
Pretty close to fair with CHI getting a slight discount only for the fact of the economical situation.

Comrie,Rita/Moreau
for
Arnason,McCarthy,4th.

I replied a couple of weeks ago on about a 48th no. or so, but no response.
Pretty close to fair with CHI getting a slight discount only for the fact of the economical situation.
I like that one, probably send Rita instead of Moreau since he just signed an extension today

Comrie,Rita/Moreau
for
Arnason,McCarthy,4th.

I replied a couple of weeks ago on about a 48th no. or so, but no response.
Pretty close to fair with CHI getting a slight discount only for the fact of the economical situation.

Ugh. I'd hope Edmonton would look somewhere else before they pulled this one off. That one doesn't impress me at all.

Ugh. I'd hope Edmonton would look somewhere else before they pulled this one off. That one doesn't impress me at all.

Agreed, I am not a huge Arnason fan. The only young guy I would take for Comrie from the Hawks is Ruuto and he will NOT be offered

Or Comrie for their 1st pick next year... I would do that ;)

Comrie,Rita/Moreau
for
Arnason,McCarthy,4th.


NO WAY!
Comrie>Arnason

Moreau or Rita = McCarthy

McCarthy isn't an upgrade on Bergeron.

McCarthy isn't an upgrade on Bergeron.

:eek:

I think an Arnason/McCarthy deal for Comrie + is fair. Arnason is certainly more of a MacT player (two way defensive forward who'll score 20 once in awhile his career---that's the poster boy for a MacT player) and a guy like McCarthy is just what the doctor ordered.

Comrie HAS scored 30, he's not an established 30 goal scorer (yet). There's a difference.

NO WAY!
Comrie>Arnason

Moreau or Rita = McCarthy

McCarthy isn't an upgrade on Bergeron.
I will agree with u on the first two but McCarthy is an upgrade on Bergeron. I like the deal because it services our needs but would not do it as Lowe its just something u would like to leave on the table and comeback to later if u can't find a better deal(which I am sure there are a few).I think as Lowe I would ask for a second pick opposed to the 4th and I would call it very doable.I think everyone is underrating Arnason this guy was competing for the Calder in a year where more than a few young rookies broke out, Chicago had 207GF and 226GA and for a rookie to come out with plus 7 and 40pts is saying something about this kid hes also built pretty solid 210lbs. and 5ft11 and though I have only seen him play twice but I am sure he would make a pretty good Oiler.

I think an Arnason/McCarthy deal for Comrie + is fair. Arnason is certainly more of a MacT player (two way defensive forward who'll score 20 once in awhile his career---that's the poster boy for a MacT player) and a guy like McCarthy is just what the doctor ordered.

Comrie HAS scored 30, he's not an established 30 goal scorer (yet). There's a difference.

Personally I think that would be a terrible deal.

Comrie may not be a proven 30 goal man, but he did score 30 goals in his only full season, 20 in his other season and that's including missing games with injury and playing the last half of the year with a broken thumb.

If he can't get more than Arnason and McCarthy in a trade at the moment, then let him sit IMO.

:eek:

5 points in 60 games. and he's even wieghs less then Bergeron. He isn't as good a skater IMO. And lets just say he's a slight upgrade - not enough to get Moreau/Rita included.

Radio rumors can be verified by another poster, but newspapers require a hard link?

ah, yes...
I'm holding the same newspaper in my hand, and it says

Good enough?
ok...

McCarthy wont be traded, so dont bother. Frankly, i dont know what else we could give up besides arnie and picks for Comrie. We cant afford to give up any more defense.

McCarthy wont be traded, so dont bother. Frankly, i dont know what else we could give up besides arnie and picks for Comrie. We cant afford to give up any more defense.What about one of Calder or Bell?

I agree, Calder or Bell seem more appealing than Arnason. Bell more so because he can play centre. I would love to see McCarthy as an Oiler but cannot see the Hawk's trading away any of their D. If the trade is Arnason - Comrie, I think Lowe should look for something better.

If the trade is Arnason - Comrie, I think Lowe should look for something better.

Arnason would make sense, though.

Weight
Marchant
York
Reasoner
Swanson

I think the Oilers and Hawks could be very compatable...

If a deal were to go down though i'd hope for this:

To Chicago = Comrie, Ferguson, and Moreau

To Edmonton = Kyle Calder, Nathan Dempsey, and a 3rd rounder


Chicago gets a small but very creative center to play behind Zhamnov but ahead of Arnason and Ruutu. That would give them nice depth at center (Zhamnov, Comrie, Arnason, Ruutu). Ferguson and Moreau bring leadership and depth to the club and the Hawks saw something in Ethan back in the day since they were the ones who picked him in the first round.

The Oilers get Calder, a young emerging power forward (even though he is only listed at 5'11" and 176lbs) with skill and Dempsey, a potential top 4 defenseman down the road who would really shore up our blueline. The pick just balances out the deal but a key factor would have to be that Calder is from Mannville and Dempsey is from Spruce Grove...more hometown boys that Lowe loves to welcome back.

I'd be willing to put my cards down on this deal if it was to go through...i think in the long run the Oil would benefit.

Well it looks like Ruutu is going to play in his first year so I guess Chicago could get rid of two centers.

How about...

To Chi:
Comrie
Isbister(ya-ya I know we just got him but it was him or York so I know
u'll understand)
5th pick 2004

To Edm:
Bell
Arnason
3rd pick 2004

New Edmonton Line-ups

Smyth-Arnason-Hemsky
York-Bell-Dvorak(killer line)
Moreau-Reasoner-Pisani
Torres/Chimera-Horcoff-Laraque

What about including Theoren Fleury in a deal? Even if the Blackhawks ate half his salary that would still be cheaper for them than buying him out outright. The remaining salary cost to the Oilers would also be pro-rated based on the number of games Fleury plays after his suspension is lifted.

In addition, MacTavish would be a wonderful role model for Fleury to emulate, given his own past. The Oilers could also use a veteran presence in the room. I think it would be something worth considering.

Personally I think that would be a terrible deal.

Comrie may not be a proven 30 goal man, but he did score 30 goals in his only full season, 20 in his other season and that's including missing games with injury and playing the last half of the year with a broken thumb.

If he can't get more than Arnason and McCarthy in a trade at the moment, then let him sit IMO.

I don't think the Oilers will get a player with the potential impact of Comrie in any deal for Comrie right now. The Oilers are sellers, so unless they take a package or a prospect/picks, there's not much chance they'll get full value, let alone what it might be down the line.

This isn't a Czerkawski/Lacouture type trade, there's two players of value coming back.

Well it looks like Ruutu is going to play in his first year so I guess Chicago could get rid of two centers.

How about...

To Chi:
Comrie
Isbister(ya-ya I know we just got him but it was him or York so I know
u'll understand)
5th pick 2004

To Edm:
Bell
Arnason
3rd pick 2004


The Hawks NEED Mark Bell on either the 2nd or 3rd line to play with Ruutu. He can't be traded. And Steve McCarthy is a good young defenseman -- he's used used wrong by Brian Sutter.

If anything, a trade would be something like ...
Arnason, Calder, mid-round pick <--> Comrie, avg prospect, low pick

Comrie could really help the Blackhawks (especially if Zhamnov is gone after this season), but I'd still not do the trade I wrote.

I don't think the Oilers will get a player with the potential impact of Comrie in any deal for Comrie right now. The Oilers are sellers, so unless they take a package or a prospect/picks, there's not much chance they'll get full value, let alone what it might be down the line.

This isn't a Czerkawski/Lacouture type trade, there's two players of value coming back.


I see what you're saying Lowetide, in terms of 1 for 1. But when you say "The Oilers are sellers", is this true?

It might appear that way. it might BE that way, but maybe they are fine with letting him sit until they get an offer they like???

- which probably would include a pick or two, but who knows?

The Hawks NEED Mark Bell on either the 2nd or 3rd line to play with Ruutu. He can't be traded. And Steve McCarthy is a good young defenseman -- he's used used wrong by Brian Sutter.

If anything, a trade would be something like ...
Arnason, Calder, mid-round pick <--> Comrie, avg prospect, low pick

Comrie could really help the Blackhawks (especially if Zhamnov is gone after this season), but I'd still not do the trade I wrote.

I like Kyle Calder and all but I am gonna puke if Edmonton gets one more LW'er. You guys seem to have enough centers to part with two and get one back down the middle u would have Zhamnov,Comrie,Ruutu,Korolev(1.7million bench warmer),Scott Nichol, and Mikhael Yakubov (in 1-2 years). Since u said Bell needs to stay and play with Ruutu I assume u mean on the RW since Calder can play on the left,I put in Isbister who can play both RW and LW so I don't really see what the problem is. Unless u think the value is uneven or deem Bell an untrade-able asset.

P.S. why eager to trade Calder but not Bell even though he puts up more points? Would u be willing to switch Bell for Yakubov if u think that is unfair?

Or Comrie for their 1st pick next year... I would do that ;)
Why would the Hawk's trade the number one overall pick for Comrie? :lol:

Isn't it supposed to be that Oven-Chick kid? There's no way Smith would trade away a Russian player.

What about including Theoren Fleury in a deal? Even if the Blackhawks ate half his salary that would still be cheaper for them than buying him out outright. The remaining salary cost to the Oilers would also be pro-rated based on the number of games Fleury plays after his suspension is lifted.

In addition, MacTavish would be a wonderful role model for Fleury to emulate, given his own past. The Oilers could also use a veteran presence in the room. I think it would be something worth considering.


The Oilers would never take Fleury. But I do think that if he did come to Edmonton it would be the best thing that could happen to his career. He could not hide in "the heartland of hockey". He would have to keep his personal life pretty clean. Just a thought but it would never happen in the first place.

Why would the Hawk's trade the number one overall pick for Comrie? :lol:

Isn't it supposed to be that Oven-Chick kid? There's no way Smith would trade away a Russian player.

Couple of reasons.

1. Who is to say the Hawks will finish worst in the NHL? If they don't then they won't give up the 1st overall pick to the Oilers. So it would be the Oilers taking the gamble not the Hawks.

2. Comrie is a proven asset. You KNOW he will produce. Even Ovechkin isn't a sure thing. He has a great potential, but anyone remember Daigle? Same thing. With propsects there is no gaurantee.

I like Kyle Calder and all but I am gonna puke if Edmonton gets one more LW'er. You guys seem to have enough centers to part with two and get one back down the middle u would have Zhamnov,Comrie,Ruutu,Korolev(1.7million bench warmer),Scott Nichol, and Mikhael Yakubov (in 1-2 years). Since u said Bell needs to stay and play with Ruutu I assume u mean on the RW since Calder can play on the left,I put in Isbister who can play both RW and LW so I don't really see what the problem is. Unless u think the value is uneven or deem Bell an untrade-able asset.

P.S. why eager to trade Calder but not Bell even though he puts up more points? Would u be willing to switch Bell for Yakubov if u think that is unfair?

Mark Bell can play all three forward positions. After Tuomo Ruutu, Bell should be considered as the second-most untradeable NHL player the Hawks have. Zhamnov-Arnason-Ruutu-Nichol are their centers. Yakubov's gonna stay another year in the AHL (although he may get a brief call-up or two during the second half), and Igor Korolev should/will be in the AHL this season, as the mentor to the Russian/Ukrainian/Kazakh players: Mikhail Yakubov, Anton Babchuk, Vladimir Gusev, Dmitry Levinski, and -- if he doesn't stay up in the NHL full-time -- Pavel Vorobiev.

If one of Kyle Calder or Bell is gonna be traded, I think most -- if not all -- Hawks fans would elect to keep Bell over Calder. Bell has a higher upside (maybe 20-25 goals, 50-60 points) and is 6-4/205.


And no, the Blackhawks are not the worst team in the league. They won't finish in the bottom 5, and they shouldn't even finish in the bottom 10, despite all the young players they have this season.

Mark Bell can play all three forward positions. After Tuomo Ruutu, Bell should be considered as the second-most untradeable NHL player the Hawks have. Zhamnov-Arnason-Ruutu-Nichol are their centers. Yakubov's gonna stay another year in the AHL (although he may get a brief call-up or two during the second half), and Igor Korolev should/will be in the AHL this season, as the mentor to the Russian/Ukrainian/Kazakh players: Mikhail Yakubov, Anton Babchuk, Vladimir Gusev, Dmitry Levinski, and -- if he doesn't stay up in the NHL full-time -- Pavel Vorobiev.

If one of Kyle Calder or Bell is gonna be traded, I think most -- if not all -- Hawks fans would elect to keep Bell over Calder. Bell has a higher upside (maybe 20-25 goals, 50-60 points) and is 6-4/205.


And no, the Blackhawks are not the worst team in the league. They won't finish in the bottom 5, and they shouldn't even finish in the bottom 10, despite all the young players they have this season.

Especially if you add comrie and his 60-70 points to your lineup. There is no way Comrie is going for a draft pick. The most likely thing on your team would be Mcarthy and Vorobiev or Yakubov.

How about this one:

Arnason + Babchuk

for

Comrie

How about this one:

Arnason + Babchuk

for

Comrie


I am not going to critisize the idea, because it is just an idea but you haven't seen Babchuk play yet. I wouldn't trade Babchuk straight up for Comrie. Only time will tell, but IMO Babchuk will become what Brewer is supposed to.

On the other hand I really don't have a solution for a trade. It appears that Comries value is a lot higher than Arnason, but Arny for Comrie is as far as I would go, maybe Chi adding a pick.

I am not sold on Comrie. He hasn't been in the league long enough and we already have our small sparkplug Sullivan who also plays D well.

Having scored around 20 goals his first year, Arnason could attain 30 g with maturity. That equals Comries output. Additionally, I would prefer our centers to be two way players. When even the Oil fans are saying Arny is better defensively that scares me because Arny meets the most basic requirements of defensive play only. I am not saying Comrie isn't more valuable, it is just my opinion that he is not valuable enough to the Hawks to add much more than Arny. Oilers should look elsewhere, yet the amount of leverage they have in optimizing a trade depends on how badly they need to replace Comries position. If they can wait they should. If they can't, then Arnason with a fresh contract, might be one of the better deals.

I am not going to critisize the idea, because it is just an idea but you haven't seen Babchuk play yet. I wouldn't trade Babchuk straight up for Comrie. Only time will tell, but IMO Babchuk will become what Brewer is supposed to.

On the other hand I really don't have a solution for a trade. It appears that Comries value is a lot higher than Arnason, but Arny for Comrie is as far as I would go, maybe Chi adding a pick.

I am not sold on Comrie. He hasn't been in the league long enough and we already have our small sparkplug Sullivan who also plays D well.

Having scored around 20 goals his first year, Arnason could attain 30 g with maturity. That equals Comries output. Additionally, I would prefer our centers to be two way players. When even the Oil fans are saying Arny is better defensively that scares me because Arny meets the most basic requirements of defensive play only. I am not saying Comrie isn't more valuable, it is just my opinion that he is not valuable enough to the Hawks to add much more than Arny. Oilers should look elsewhere, yet the amount of leverage they have in optimizing a trade depends on how badly they need to replace Comries position. If they can wait they should. If they can't, then Arnason with a fresh contract, might be one of the better deals.

I don't understand why people wouldn't trade a 2nd-tier prospect for legitimate NHL talent. C'mon. Babchuk is a nice prospect but his worth is nowhere near Comrie's. Babchuk isn't even a top 50 prospect, most likley not a top 75. It wouldn't be a huge loss to the Hawks org to lose Babchuk. A couple of years ago you would have screamed murder at me if I had suggested Olli Malmivaara should be added in a deal. Big defenseman are risky. Another possiblity is switching Babchuk with Yakubov, though Yakubov is pretty close to bust status.

I'll try another proposal

To Chi:
Comrie
Chimera
4th pick 2004

To Edm:
Arnason
Radulov

I don't understand why people wouldn't trade a 2nd-tier prospect for legitimate NHL talent. C'mon. Babchuk is a nice prospect but his worth is nowhere near Comrie's. Babchuk isn't even a top 50 prospect, most likley not a top 75. It wouldn't be a huge loss to the Hawks org to lose Babchuk. A couple of years ago you would have screamed murder at me if I had suggested Olli Malmivaara should be added in a deal. Big defenseman are risky. Another possiblity is switching Babchuk with Yakubov, though Yakubov is pretty close to bust status.


I can see your point. EXCEPT I have seen him play and he is far more valuable than his current reputation. I don't often say this but Babchuk is definately underated (far more than Radulov IMO). The only prospect above him in our org IMO is Ruutu. Babchuk has shown more than Yaks, Ellison, Rad, Vorobiev,.... (and it is not because those are bad players). So although your skepticism is valid , I vehemently disagree that he is anything less than a blue chip verging on top 4 and there isn't much to argue about until you see him.

Additionally, even if you assume I am speculating, it would be a huge loss for the Hawks becuase Babchuk is the exact type of player than we need the most. We are strong at center. A big physical D man with a cannon and great puck skills is the most dire need for the Blackhawks. We just can't afford to trade it unless we get D back.

Again I can't criticize you on your opinion because I would be saying the same thing if the roles were reversed. I am cynical and skeptical, but just wait and see. After watching Babchuk , he will not be a prospect long. This is also opined by the coach and GM as well. He outplayed every single D vet on our team in the games I watched. Reports are he was doing the same in camp and games I didn't watch. Ruutu is getting the hype but Babchuk will get some hype very quickly once he gets some exposure over here.

I'll try another proposal

To Chi:
Comrie
Chimera
4th pick 2004

To Edm:
Arnason
Radulov

I would personally rather have Chimera than Radulov.

I'll try another proposal

To Chi:
Comrie
Chimera
4th pick 2004

To Edm:
Arnason
Radulov

sold.

I'll try another proposal

To Chi:
Comrie
Chimera
4th pick 2004

To Edm:
Arnason
Radulov
Edmonton is overpaying.

I would personally rather have Chimera than Radulov.
Really I have never seen him play but read a couple of favourable scouting reports about him and based on his ranking thought it might be a good trade. Is he over-hyped?

I think it's pretty trickey once you start talking about so many guys with varying potential that is very much based on opinion only. I mean some people will argue till red in the face that Chimera is more valuable then Radulov - and vice versa. Can't see such a risky deal (on both GMs side) happening.