Schremp to NTDP

hocscout
09-28-2003, 08:09 PM
USHR.com has just posted that Robbie Schremp has left OHL this evening and has arrived in Ann Arbor to play on the NTDP u18 Team.

cagney
09-28-2003, 08:23 PM
The USHR write up says it might be a temporary thing until a trade can be worked out but it definetly looks like he has played his last game with Mississauga. That said, it's also possible he could stay with the NTDP all season which probably wouldn't be the worst thing because he'll still get to play in a lot of tournaments and Ryan Suter showed that it's possible to get picked high while playing for the US team last year. It should be interesting to see what happens.

CharlieGirl
09-28-2003, 08:38 PM
and he was SO unhappy with Mississauga that he had 2 goals and an assist in this afternoon's game, and took the 1st star.... :rolleyes:

William H Bonney
09-28-2003, 08:41 PM
More blame should be placed on the Ice Dogs in my opinion. The USA U-18 Team just got really, really good.

#37-#93-#27*
09-28-2003, 08:55 PM
and he was SO unhappy with Mississauga that he had 2 goals and an assist in this afternoon's game, and took the 1st star.... :rolleyes:
Well I would hope a young guy entering the draft does not dog it because he does not like who he's playing for. I'm sure his teammates wouldn't appreciate it.

hocscout
09-28-2003, 08:57 PM
I find him going to the NTDP ironic. He was offered a spot on the team as an underager 2 years ago. He of coarse chose the OHL. For him to go to the NTDP to play with the 86` age group is below his ability. I see him moving as soon as the offer is a good one. It's his draft year so he needs to get settled soon.

cdnhky1
09-29-2003, 05:20 AM
More blame should be placed on the Ice Dogs in my opinion. The USA U-18 Team just got really, really good.

Of course more blame should be placed on the Ice Dogs in your opinion, Mobey. After all, we are dealing with a young red-blooded American hockey player. And, of course, they can do no wrong in your always objective eyes. I wonder if you would feel the same way if say Sidney Crosby walked out on his Rimouski Oceanic teammates after they started the season 3-0. I suspect you would think differently of him since he's from Halifax, Nova Scotia instead of Fulton, New York.

I'd like to hear your reasoning why the Ice Dogs are to blame here. Perhaps you will adopt the same reasoning Schremp and his highly regarded agent Scott Norton did. The Ice Dogs won't be competitive this season, the team's goaltending won't be very good and Robbie will get beat up on a routine basis because they Ice Dogs aren't tough enough.

While it's still early in the OHL season it's obvious the Ice Dogs will be more than competitive this season. Their 3-0 start is no fluke. This is a good young team that will emerge as a competitor for an OHL championship in the next year or two. It's definitely a much better, and deeper team than the Ice Dogs team Schremp loved playing for last season.

The Ice Dogs also decided not to bring their OA goalie back for another season. Instead, they handed the reins over to David Shantz, an outstanding young goaltender who led his Junior B team to the Ontario final last year as a 16 year-old and who has started this season 3-0, with a gaa of 2.00, save percentage of .946, and 1 shutout.

I also haven't seen too many teams taking liberties with Robbie this year even though he doesn't have a meat head riding shot gun on his line.

Perhaps Schremp really has left the team because the Ice Dogs had the audacity to demand that a 17 year-old kid attend high school and graduate. For that, the Ice Dogs should definitely be blamed for Schremp and his agent's behaviour.

I'm looking forward to your response since you're obviously much closer to the situation than the rest of us living in that junior hockey hotbed of Sunny California.

VOB
09-29-2003, 05:46 AM
Hey if he did not like playing for Gilbert, wait till he gets a load of Mantha!

barrytrotzsneck
09-29-2003, 07:04 AM
Of course more blame should be placed on the Ice Dogs in your opinion, Mobey. After all, we are dealing with a young red-blooded American hockey player. And, of course, they can do no wrong in your always objective eyes. I wonder if you would feel the same way if say Sidney Crosby walked out on his Rimouski Oceanic teammates after they started the season 3-0. I suspect you would think differently of him since he's from Halifax, Nova Scotia instead of Fulton, New York.

I'd like to hear your reasoning why the Ice Dogs are to blame here. Perhaps you will adopt the same reasoning Schremp and his highly regarded agent Scott Norton did. The Ice Dogs won't be competitive this season, the team's goaltending won't be very good and Robbie will get beat up on a routine basis because they Ice Dogs aren't tough enough.

While it's still early in the OHL season it's obvious the Ice Dogs will be more than competitive this season. Their 3-0 start is no fluke. This is a good young team that will emerge as a competitor for an OHL championship in the next year or two. It's definitely a much better, and deeper team than the Ice Dogs team Schremp loved playing for last season.

The Ice Dogs also decided not to bring their OA goalie back for another season. Instead, they handed the reins over to David Shantz, an outstanding young goaltender who led his Junior B team to the Ontario final last year as a 16 year-old and who has started this season 3-0, with a gaa of 2.00, save percentage of .946, and 1 shutout.

I also haven't seen too many teams taking liberties with Robbie this year even though he doesn't have a meat head riding shot gun on his line.

Perhaps Schremp really has left the team because the Ice Dogs had the audacity to demand that a 17 year-old kid attend high school and graduate. For that, the Ice Dogs should definitely be blamed for Schremp and his agent's behaviour.

I'm looking forward to your response since you're obviously much closer to the situation than the rest of us living in that junior hockey hotbed of Sunny California.

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hockey_nut
09-29-2003, 07:33 AM
This doesn't look good on the kid... if he's not happy, he'll leave.

I also find this to be fairly pathetic. This type of player strategy is ruining the game.

Sammy*
09-29-2003, 07:44 AM
hey guys, look at me! i like to turn everything into a canada\usa issue! weeeee!
Well, if the guy (Mobey) rationale for virtually evey issue he takes a position on is grounded in geography, nothin wrong with calling a spade a spade.

Funkymoses
09-29-2003, 09:47 AM
Well, if the guy (Mobey) rationale for virtually evey issue he takes a position on is grounded in geography, nothin wrong with calling a spade a spade.

well, this is more like:

SPADE: Hey, you're a spade!
OTHER SPADE: No, you are!

Brock
09-29-2003, 09:56 AM
I don't see anything about this on the Official US Hockey, Under 18 NDTP site.

Nor is there anything on the Mississauga Ice Dogs official site.

If you think about it, whats going to happen to him the following year? He goes to the NDTP to play the rest of the year, and then gets drafted. Ok, what if he doesn't crack the NHL that following year? Where does he go? He can't get a scholarship to play NCAA hockey because he's already played in the OHL. He can't play another year of NDTP because he'd be too old. He can't go down to the AHL because he'd be too young.

This sounds like Bullcrap to me.

Sea Bass
09-29-2003, 10:17 AM
If you think about it, whats going to happen to him the following year? He goes to the NDTP to play the rest of the year, and then gets drafted. Ok, what if he doesn't crack the NHL that following year? Where does he go? He can't get a scholarship to play NCAA hockey because he's already played in the OHL. He can't play another year of NDTP because he'd be too old. He can't go down to the AHL because he'd be too young.

This sounds like Bullcrap to me.


Brock, if I recall correctly, if he were drafted out of the NDTP program, he in fact would be able to play in the AHL next year. According to my understanding, it's only guys drafted out of the CHL that can't play in the AHL until they're 20. College guys, USHL guys, Tier II guys, NTDP guys, they're not subject to that rule.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong?

hocscout
09-29-2003, 10:18 AM
I don't see anything about this on the Official US Hockey, Under 18 NDTP site.

Nor is there anything on the Mississauga Ice Dogs official site.

This sounds like Bullcrap to me.

Article on the US Hockey Report. Looks like a true story to me. Anyone in Ann Arbor hear anything today?

CharlieGirl
09-29-2003, 10:36 AM
The Toronto Star is reporting that Schremp has left the IceDogs (I hope this link works)

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1064786566660&call_pageid=968867503640&col=1053692575155

William H Bonney
09-29-2003, 10:57 AM
Of course more blame should be placed on the Ice Dogs in your opinion, Mobey. After all, we are dealing with a young red-blooded American hockey player. And, of course, they can do no wrong in your always objective eyes. I wonder if you would feel the same way if say Sidney Crosby walked out on his Rimouski Oceanic teammates after they started the season 3-0. I suspect you would think differently of him since he's from Halifax, Nova Scotia instead of Fulton, New York.

I'd like to hear your reasoning why the Ice Dogs are to blame here. Perhaps you will adopt the same reasoning Schremp and his highly regarded agent Scott Norton did. The Ice Dogs won't be competitive this season, the team's goaltending won't be very good and Robbie will get beat up on a routine basis because they Ice Dogs aren't tough enough.

While it's still early in the OHL season it's obvious the Ice Dogs will be more than competitive this season. Their 3-0 start is no fluke. This is a good young team that will emerge as a competitor for an OHL championship in the next year or two. It's definitely a much better, and deeper team than the Ice Dogs team Schremp loved playing for last season.

The Ice Dogs also decided not to bring their OA goalie back for another season. Instead, they handed the reins over to David Shantz, an outstanding young goaltender who led his Junior B team to the Ontario final last year as a 16 year-old and who has started this season 3-0, with a gaa of 2.00, save percentage of .946, and 1 shutout.

I also haven't seen too many teams taking liberties with Robbie this year even though he doesn't have a meat head riding shot gun on his line.

Perhaps Schremp really has left the team because the Ice Dogs had the audacity to demand that a 17 year-old kid attend high school and graduate. For that, the Ice Dogs should definitely be blamed for Schremp and his agent's behaviour.

I'm looking forward to your response since you're obviously much closer to the situation than the rest of us living in that junior hockey hotbed of Sunny California.

Congratulations on your ignorance, but this has nothing to do with him being American. When top players for your team, whether or not they're American or Canadian (Spezza) consistently state their unhappiness in the program, I'd tend to say that the Ice Dogs are doing something wrong, they're the one consistent factor in it.

So what if California isn't a "junior hockey hotbed." What bothers you more, that kids from California are making great strides in hockey, or that you, as a Canadian, can't hold their jock strap, but you sit behind your computer, turning everything into something it's not, like you're some scout?

Brock
09-29-2003, 11:35 AM
Brock, if I recall correctly, if he were drafted out of the NDTP program, he in fact would be able to play in the AHL next year. According to my understanding, it's only guys drafted out of the CHL that can't play in the AHL until they're 20. College guys, USHL guys, Tier II guys, NTDP guys, they're not subject to that rule.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong?

I thought that because he had played some time in the CHL, that ruined that route for him. I was under the impression that if a player plays a certain number of games in the CHL that he would then become unable to play in the AHL until the age of 20.

Maybe there is a loophole somewhere that Schremp's agent has found?

Either way, this doesn't make sense, especially for Schremp and his spot in this upcoming draft. Didn't he see what happened to his teammate Patrick O Sullivan this past season? If Schremp goes to the NTDP then he'll be playing against really inferior players. While they remain the same age, they haven't faced up to the level of talent at the CHL level. Why is Schremp taking a step backwards. Just because he wants out of Mississuaga? And what if the Ice Dogs refuse to trade him (We have seen it before with teams and players in the past). Then Schremp gets stuck playing with the Under 18's the rest of the season. That definitely is not going to look good to scouts, and his draft position will most likely fall. Was his agent tripping on acid when he thought of this master plan?

I mean, I'm a big fan of Robbie Schremp. I was incredibly impressed by his play the few times i saw him play last year. But this decision isn't looking very bright I tell ya.

Stock Rocks
09-29-2003, 11:48 AM
I thought that because he had played some time in the CHL, that ruined that route for him. I was under the impression that if a player plays a certain number of games in the CHL that he would then become unable to play in the AHL until the age of 20.

Maybe there is a loophole somewhere that Schremp's agent has found?
.

The rule applies to a CHL player on an active roster who is drafted. If Schremp leaves the OHL and doesn't come back this season, then he's a defected player and free to sign with the team that drafts him and play in their minor league affiliate if that's what they want.

Sea Bass
09-29-2003, 11:58 AM
Stock Rocks - that's what I'd thought too.

Brock - maybe Schremp saw that O'Sullivan's position fell, but I don't think the two situations are very comparable. Schremp certainly saw that demanding a trade from the Dogs didn't hurt Spezza at all.

VOB
09-29-2003, 12:07 PM
Congratulations on your ignorance, but this has nothing to do with him being American. When top players for your team, whether or not they're American or Canadian (Spezza) consistently state their unhappiness in the program, I'd tend to say that the Ice Dogs are doing something wrong, they're the one consistent factor in it.

So what if California isn't a "junior hockey hotbed." What bothers you more, that kids from California are making great strides in hockey, or that you, as a Canadian, can't hold their jock strap, but you sit behind your computer, turning everything into something it's not, like you're some scout?


Considering that there has been a wholesale change in both management and ownership for the IceDogs, bringing up past events such as the Jason Spezza fiasco make little sense.

He is asking why is that you place the blame on the management rather than the player or his agent?

You have no idea who cndhky1 is Mobey but let me tell you this, you wouldn't have enough money even if you robbed Fort Knox to hold his jock strap. He is on a much higher level than you and just about everyone who uses this message board Mobey.

barrytrotzsneck
09-29-2003, 12:19 PM
Considering that there has been a wholesale change in both management and ownership for the IceDogs, bringing up past events such as the Jason Spezza fiasco make little sense.

He is asking why is that you place the blame on the management rather than the player or his agent?

You have no idea who cndhky1 is Mobey but let me tell you this, you wouldn't have enough money even if you robbed Fort Knox to hold his jock strap. He is on a much higher level than you and just about everyone who uses this message board Mobey.

oh, please.
hockey's future scene points?
give me a break. your pal made a cheesy argument. i don't care who he is. if his credibility is as substantial as you'd suggest, then he should know better than to quickly assume that Mobey was making a statement based solely on the nationality of Robbie Schremp.
Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Brock
09-29-2003, 12:19 PM
Stock Rocks - that's what I'd thought too.

Brock - maybe Schremp saw that O'Sullivan's position fell, but I don't think the two situations are very comparable. Schremp certainly saw that demanding a trade from the Dogs didn't hurt Spezza at all.

But on the contrary, Spezza was in a much different situation than Schremp. Spezza played on the worst team in the league and historically one of the worst teams in CHL history. He wanted to play for a winning team. Schremp is playing for a winning team. A team that made the playoffs last year.

And IMO O Sullivan's situation or excuse was much better than Schremp's actually, if you were to compare the situations. O Sullivan left to get his head straight. He was experiencing some serious trauma in his personal life and went home in order to sort things out. Schremp has left for reason which appear to be personally motivated in that he just doesn't want to play for the Ice Dogs anymore.

Sea Bass
09-29-2003, 01:07 PM
Brock, good points. Sure, Mississauga is better now than when Spezza played there, but I still don't think that NHL GMs are going to look down on Schremp because he wants out of there.

The team's record may be better, but new ownership notwithstanding, the organization is still very unstable. Wanting to distance oneself from that team is probably going to be understood by most.

Genghis Keon
09-29-2003, 01:18 PM
oh, please.
hockey's future scene points?
give me a break. your pal made a cheesy argument. i don't care who he is. if his credibility is as substantial as you'd suggest, then he should know better than to quickly assume that Mobey was making a statement based solely on the nationality of Robbie Schremp.
Sheesh. :rolleyes:

cdnhky1 shouldn't have jumped on Mobey and assumed he was biased, but it has nothing to do with his actual argument. Mobey sided with Schremp (without giving any reasons why), and cdnhky1 disagreed and explained why.

reasons Schremp and agent gave (as per cdnhky1*):
1) "the Ice Dogs won't be competitive this season"
2) "the team's goaltending won't be very good"
3) "Robbie will get beat up on a routine basis because they Ice Dogs aren't tough enough"

* working on the assumption that these are the reasons Schremp and his agent gave--cdnhky1 has proven reliable in the past in such matters.

cdnhky1's refutations of reasons:
1) "While it's still early in the OHL season it's obvious the Ice Dogs will be more than competitive this season. Their 3-0 start is no fluke. This is a good young team that will emerge as a competitor for an OHL championship in the next year or two. It's definitely a much better, and deeper team than the Ice Dogs team Schremp loved playing for last season."
2) "The Ice Dogs also decided not to bring their OA goalie back for another season. Instead, they handed the reins over to David Shantz, an outstanding young goaltender who led his Junior B team to the Ontario final last year as a 16 year-old and who has started this season 3-0, with a gaa of 2.00, save percentage of .946, and 1 shutout."
3) "I also haven't seen too many teams taking liberties with Robbie this year even though he doesn't have a meat head riding shot gun on his line."

cdnhk1 offers a possible reason why Schremp wants out:
"Perhaps Schremp really has left the team because the Ice Dogs had the audacity to demand that a 17 year-old kid attend high school and graduate. For that, the Ice Dogs should definitely be blamed for Schremp and his agent's behaviour."

Seems like a pretty solid argument to me.

barrytrotzsneck
09-29-2003, 01:22 PM
cdnhky1 shouldn't have jumped on Mobey and assumed he was biased, but it has nothing to do with his actual argument. Mobey sided with Schremp (without giving any reasons why), and cdnhky1 disagreed and explained why.

reasons Schremp and agent gave (as per cdnhky1*):
1) "the Ice Dogs won't be competitive this season"
2) "the team's goaltending won't be very good"
3) "Robbie will get beat up on a routine basis because they Ice Dogs aren't tough enough"

* working on the assumption that these are the reasons Schremp and his agent gave--cdnhky1 has proven reliable in the past in such matters.

cdnhky1's refutations of reasons:
1) "While it's still early in the OHL season it's obvious the Ice Dogs will be more than competitive this season. Their 3-0 start is no fluke. This is a good young team that will emerge as a competitor for an OHL championship in the next year or two. It's definitely a much better, and deeper team than the Ice Dogs team Schremp loved playing for last season."
2) "The Ice Dogs also decided not to bring their OA goalie back for another season. Instead, they handed the reins over to David Shantz, an outstanding young goaltender who led his Junior B team to the Ontario final last year as a 16 year-old and who has started this season 3-0, with a gaa of 2.00, save percentage of .946, and 1 shutout."
3) "I also haven't seen too many teams taking liberties with Robbie this year even though he doesn't have a meat head riding shot gun on his line."

cdnhk1 offers a possible reason why Schremp wants out:
"Perhaps Schremp really has left the team because the Ice Dogs had the audacity to demand that a 17 year-old kid attend high school and graduate. For that, the Ice Dogs should definitely be blamed for Schremp and his agent's behaviour."

Seems like a pretty solid argument to me.

i wasn't questioning his argument, in and of itself...it was just the slant that he turned it. the things that you mentioned were more than enough to prove that robbie was wrong in leaving the ice dogs. i just didn't and won't agree with assuming that mobey only felt that way because schremp is an american. mobey is as entitlted to his opinion as any of the rest of us.

hocscout
09-29-2003, 01:38 PM
If I am not mistaken....the NTDP has strict rules about school attendance. I also hear that they must keep above a certain average in their classes to play. School seems to be important at the NTDP. All of the players move on to Div. 1 Colleges, which requires good grades and decent SAT scores.
So, this move may just be a rink to play on until a team makes an offer.

William H Bonney
09-29-2003, 02:01 PM
Exactly hocscout. Everyone is siding with the Ice Dogs, saying Schremp is a lazy, selfish SOB that doesn't want to attend school with NO proof to back that up, but I get lambasted for saying I think blame should be placed more on the Ice Dogs.

He's not happy in his current situation so he chose to do what he believes is best for him. IT'S HIS LIFE!

William H Bonney
09-29-2003, 02:04 PM
Considering that there has been a wholesale change in both management and ownership for the IceDogs, bringing up past events such as the Jason Spezza fiasco make little sense.

He is asking why is that you place the blame on the management rather than the player or his agent?

You have no idea who cndhky1 is Mobey but let me tell you this, you wouldn't have enough money even if you robbed Fort Knox to hold his jock strap. He is on a much higher level than you and just about everyone who uses this message board Mobey.

Ok.

Then why do you guys place the blame on Schremp? What proof do you have of all these allegations?

Big f'in deal. Cndhky1 has no idea who I am as well. If I robbed Fort Knox and I'd still be worth less than Cndhky1, what is he doing roaming around a message board pretending to be some scout?

#37-#93-#27*
09-29-2003, 02:25 PM
This doesn't look good on the kid... if he's not happy, he'll leave.

I also find this to be fairly pathetic. This type of player strategy is ruining the game.
Jason Spezza did the same. What's wrong with him?

Herby
09-29-2003, 03:18 PM
I believe I read somewhere that Schremp actually graduated HS this past June (a year early?) and doesn't want to attend college.

Forcing players to go to HS is one thing, but forcing someone to go to college isn't fair, IMO. Some people are just not college material.

And as for it hurting Schremp's draft status, well it didn't hurt Ryan Suter's, I figure if Schremp has a decent WJC and dominates the NTDP, he will be a Top 5 pick.

Scouts wont forget how much he dominated the OPJHL and how well he played as a 16 year old in the OHL. Mike Morris and Brian Boyle were both 1st round picks out of MA Prep Schools, and neither is close to Schremp's level.

Herby
09-29-2003, 03:25 PM
Also, bashing CA for its hockey talent is pathetic. Considering the average yearly temperature in SoCal is over 70 degrees and kids dont have the luxury of playing outdoors whenever they want, SoCal has done an excellent job producing talent.

The LA Junior Kings Midget AAA team is a national power who has sent many players onto much higher levels, including Brett Sterling, who was the best player on the NTDP U-18 team and was amazing at CC this past season as a Freshman. If he were 6'0 instead of 5'7 he would have easily been a 1st round pick.

Bobby Ryan who plays for Owen Sound is also a former Jr. King and considered one of the brightest young talents in the CHL. A projected 1st round pick in his draft year.

Robbie Earl was a star for the NTDP, can play D or forward and was one of the most sought after recruits in the country, choosing Wisconsin over schools like Michigan and BC. He should be a 2nd or 3rd round pick in this years draft.

Hitman*
09-29-2003, 03:35 PM
Bad move for Schremp. He loses a year of devellopment and it will definitely hurt his draft status IMO.

The difference between him and Ryan Suter is that Suter was going to the NCAA, Schremp doesn't have that option, he goes from the best devellopmental league in the world to one that's way below his level.

I kinda hope the IceDogs don't invite him back and don't trade him. He can't act like this in the NHL. Its not like he's playing for the same IceDogs team that Spezza played for.

Herby
09-29-2003, 04:05 PM
Sure Schremp takes a step back for now, but the NTDP has produced a bunch of top end talent. And if Schremp plays out the year in Ann Arbor, he will still be a Top 10 pick (likely Top 5) and he can either play in the NHL, AHL or report back to the OHL (assuming he is traded)

This is a way for Schremp to play in the AHL as an 18 year old, its not a bad idea.

Brock
09-29-2003, 05:43 PM
I still think that comparing the Jason Spezza and this situation regarding Schremp isn't fair.

I'm not condoning either, but from the information we have available to us at the moment, I think Spezza's situation can at least be sympathized with to an extent.

Like i said before, Spezza played for one of the worst teams in OHL history. The team appeared to be going nowhere under the ownership and regime of Don Cherry. It was just an ugly situation. He was a very competitive guy who simply wanted to win.

And while the real reasons why Schremp has left still have yet to really squeak out, the situation (when comparing to Spezza) is still much different. THe Ice Dogs are a rapidly improving team. They made the playoffs for the first time in franchise history last year, their attendance is gaining strength and the organization on a whole seems to be FINALLY establishing itself.

I agree that maybe it's a bit unfair to be throwing out all these speculations about Schremp at the moment, but I also can see why everyone is. This situation is pretty confusing and very hard to understand, giving the circumstances that appear visible to us.

Genghis Keon
09-29-2003, 05:55 PM
nomorekids,

I can agree with that.


And if Schremp plays out the year in Ann Arbor, he will still be a Top 10 pick (likely Top 5) and he can either play in the NHL, AHL or report back to the OHL (assuming he is traded)

This is a way for Schremp to play in the AHL as an 18 year old, its not a bad idea.

With the lockout coming after this season, would a team have time to sign Schremp to a pro contract before the lockout takes effect (to let him play in the AHL through the lockout)? And would they sign him to a current CBA contract if they think rookie contracts are going to be much lower after the new CBA? He might drop a bit just because of this potential signability problem (kind of like players in the MLB draft).

After this year is he too old for the National Development Program? What if the Ice Dogs play hardball and don't trade him? If they don't trade him and he doesn't get signed to a pro contract pretty much right away after being drafted, what are his hockey options for next year? Would he be a free agent the year after (if he's drafted out of the NTDP but goes a year without playing college hockey)? Are there any loopholes that he can use to become a free agent even if he goes back to the OHL after being drafted out of the NTDP? Could this be another signability problem that could have him drop a bit come draft day?

He's probably going to get traded soon enough and clear up all these potential problems, but I think he should have stayed with the team until traded, if for no other reason than to make sure there isn't a chance he'll be left high and dry next year (having to go to Europe to play or something).

Funkymoses
09-29-2003, 06:52 PM
Bad move for Schremp. He loses a year of devellopment and it will definitely hurt his draft status IMO.

Right, while a lot of the NTDP U-18 schedule is against US Junior competition which is not of the same quality as the OHL, I don't think it's nearly as grim as you portray it. Schremp will probably be playing close to 20 games against NCAA competition, much of it high quality, and several international tournaments against very high quality opposition. And the USHL and NAHL are producing good talent these days.

cdnhky1
09-30-2003, 05:21 AM
Congratulations on your ignorance, but this has nothing to do with him being American. When top players for your team, whether or not they're American or Canadian (Spezza) consistently state their unhappiness in the program, I'd tend to say that the Ice Dogs are doing something wrong, they're the one consistent factor in it.

So what if California isn't a "junior hockey hotbed." What bothers you more, that kids from California are making great strides in hockey, or that you, as a Canadian, can't hold their jock strap, but you sit behind your computer, turning everything into something it's not, like you're some scout?

Actually Mobey, I am a scout at the OHL level. And I'm also well aware of the situation that exists in Mississauga. But, as you stated, that is irrelevant. I simply challenged you to defend your position that the Ice Dogs deserve the blame here rather than Schremp and his agent. I stated that I felt your position was based solely on the fact that Schremp is an American, which I still believe. As someone else said, when virtually every post you make mentions geography, as did you post on Schremp when you commented that the US u-18 just got much better, I tend to believe that your opinion is strongly influenced by the fact that Schremp is an American and not a Canadian.

So far the only reasoning I have seen from you is that the Spezza and others have pulled the same stunt before therefore it must be the organization and not the player in this instance. Of course, that argument does not stand up. After all, Don Cherry does not own this team nor does he coach it. Rick Vaive (the real reason Spezza wanted out) also does not coach this team. None of the people currently operating the Ice Dogs organization were around when Jason Spezza played for the Ice Dogs. In fact, none of them were even around last year. But, they are highly regarded, honest and fair people with a great track record in the game.

I feel sorry for Robbie because I believe he's being used as a pawn by his agent who is leading the charge here. Something to consider: Scott Norton, Schremp's agent and a relative newcomer to the player representation business is scared to death of losing Schremp to Newport Sports (Don Meehan and Pat Morris), whose offices just happen to be a few blocks away from the Hershey Centre. Newport just also happens to represent Ice Dogs minority owner Chris Pronger and Schremp's teammate Patrick O'Sullivan. Perhaps Norton is pulling this stunt to strengthen his position with Schremp. As another scout mentioned to me last night "the agent wants to be a hero, but the kid doesn't need to be saved because he's in a great situation."

I also don't recall bashing CA for it's hockey talent. I simply stated that it's not exactly a junior hockey hotbed, which it is not. I quite like some of the young players coming out of California like Sterling, Kemp, Earl, Ryan and Rahkashani. And I happen to think Jeff Turcotte has done an outstanding job with the California Wave 88's.

Sammy*
09-30-2003, 06:34 AM
Actually Mobey, I am a scout at the OHL level. And I'm also well aware of the situation that exists in Mississauga. But, as you stated, that is irrelevant. I simply challenged you to defend your position that the Ice Dogs deserve the blame here rather than Schremp and his agent. I stated that I felt your position was based solely on the fact that Schremp is an American, which I still believe. As someone else said, when virtually every post you make mentions geography, as did you post on Schremp when you commented that the US u-18 just got much better, I tend to believe that your opinion is strongly influenced by the fact that Schremp is an American and not a Canadian.

So far the only reasoning I have seen from you is that the Spezza and others have pulled the same stunt before therefore it must be the organization and not the player in this instance. Of course, that argument does not stand up. After all, Don Cherry does not own this team nor does he coach it. Rick Vaive (the real reason Spezza wanted out) also does not coach this team. None of the people currently operating the Ice Dogs organization were around when Jason Spezza played for the Ice Dogs. In fact, none of them were even around last year. But, they are highly regarded, honest and fair people with a great track record in the game.

I feel sorry for Robbie because I believe he's being used as a pawn by his agent who is leading the charge here. Something to consider: Scott Norton, Schremp's agent and a relative newcomer to the player representation business is scared to death of losing Schremp to Newport Sports (Don Meehan and Pat Morris), whose offices just happen to be a few blocks away from the Hershey Centre. Newport just also happens to represent Ice Dogs minority owner Chris Pronger and Schremp's teammate Patrick O'Sullivan. Perhaps Norton is pulling this stunt to strengthen his position with Schremp. As another scout mentioned to me last night "the agent wants to be a hero, but the kid doesn't need to be saved because he's in a great situation."

I also don't recall bashing CA for it's hockey talent. I simply stated that it's not exactly a junior hockey hotbed, which it is not. I quite like some of the young players coming out of California like Sterling, Kemp, Earl, Ryan and Rahkashani. And I happen to think Jeff Turcotte has done an outstanding job with the California Wave 88's.
:bow: :bow: :bow:

Very interesting , informative & well put.
I trust Mobey will now give you a reasoned response.

William H Bonney
09-30-2003, 07:44 AM
Actually Mobey, I am a scout at the OHL level. And I'm also well aware of the situation that exists in Mississauga. But, as you stated, that is irrelevant. I simply challenged you to defend your position that the Ice Dogs deserve the blame here rather than Schremp and his agent. I stated that I felt your position was based solely on the fact that Schremp is an American, which I still believe. As someone else said, when virtually every post you make mentions geography, as did you post on Schremp when you commented that the US u-18 just got much better, I tend to believe that your opinion is strongly influenced by the fact that Schremp is an American and not a Canadian.

So far the only reasoning I have seen from you is that the Spezza and others have pulled the same stunt before therefore it must be the organization and not the player in this instance. Of course, that argument does not stand up. After all, Don Cherry does not own this team nor does he coach it. Rick Vaive (the real reason Spezza wanted out) also does not coach this team. None of the people currently operating the Ice Dogs organization were around when Jason Spezza played for the Ice Dogs. In fact, none of them were even around last year. But, they are highly regarded, honest and fair people with a great track record in the game.

I feel sorry for Robbie because I believe he's being used as a pawn by his agent who is leading the charge here. Something to consider: Scott Norton, Schremp's agent and a relative newcomer to the player representation business is scared to death of losing Schremp to Newport Sports (Don Meehan and Pat Morris), whose offices just happen to be a few blocks away from the Hershey Centre. Newport just also happens to represent Ice Dogs minority owner Chris Pronger and Schremp's teammate Patrick O'Sullivan. Perhaps Norton is pulling this stunt to strengthen his position with Schremp. As another scout mentioned to me last night "the agent wants to be a hero, but the kid doesn't need to be saved because he's in a great situation."

I also don't recall bashing CA for it's hockey talent. I simply stated that it's not exactly a junior hockey hotbed, which it is not. I quite like some of the young players coming out of California like Sterling, Kemp, Earl, Ryan and Rahkashani. And I happen to think Jeff Turcotte has done an outstanding job with the California Wave 88's.

Ok.

I never said I was right, I just stated my opinion. Does that make me right? Not at all. But the conclusions you drew about me were pretty unfair. Drawing the conclusion that my stance was just because he's American is pretty weak. The fact that I said the U-18 team "just got a lot better" says nothing but the obvious; when you add a player of that calibre to any team, they got better, just as when Shattuck St. Mary's got Sydney Crosby last year, that made them a lot better.

The majority of my hockey-related posts are regarding American players, so what, shoot me. That's what I have the most interest in. I like following players that will someday represent my country. It's not like Canadians don't care more about the Canadian kids, or the Russians with their kids, etc. I don't see the big deal.

The reason I stated my intitial opinion because there was no evidence out for either side in the Schremp situation, so I stated my OPINION. Just as many of your "he doesn't want to go to school" claims have so far been unfounded to my knowledge, I used past situations to come up with MY opinion.

Sammy*
09-30-2003, 08:22 AM
Ok.


The reason I stated my intitial opinion because there was no evidence out for either side in the Schremp situation, so I stated my OPINION. Just as many of your "he doesn't want to go to school" claims have so far been unfounded to my knowledge, I used past situations to come up with MY opinion.
What was the foundation of your initial opinion?

TMHUNH
09-30-2003, 10:07 AM
Sure Schremp takes a step back for now, but the NTDP has produced a bunch of top end talent. And if Schremp plays out the year in Ann Arbor, he will still be a Top 10 pick (likely Top 5) and he can either play in the NHL, AHL or report back to the OHL (assuming he is traded)

This is a way for Schremp to play in the AHL as an 18 year old, its not a bad idea.

Why does he take a step back? He will be playing against a lot of NCAA teams (better hockey than most major junior). And he will be playing under a great coaching staff. The team is called the US National DEVELOPMENT program for pete's sake.

I'll be seeing the U-18 team in action this saturday, I can only hope Schremp will be in the lineup already.

Juan
09-30-2003, 10:26 AM
Why does he take a step back? He will be playing against a lot of NCAA teams (better hockey than most major junior). And he will be playing under a great coaching staff. The team is called the US National DEVELOPMENT program for pete's sake.

I'll be seeing the U-18 team in action this saturday, I can only hope Schremp will be in the lineup already.

To say that the exhibition games the U-18 team plays against Division III teams, college club teams, and NAHL/USHL teams is better hockey than the CHL is laughable.

And they will play around a dozen D-I teams this season, no more than 3 or 4 of which I would consider strong hockey programs. If you think this is a better developmental schedule for a potential top 2 pick in the NHL draft than 70+ games that all mean something in the OHL, then there are around 200 NHL scouts who would disagree with you.

BTW, how do you know they are a great coaching staff? Because they say so?

Apparently both Jeff Jackson and Moe Mantha (who applies for every OHL job that comes open) both think that the OHL is a higher rung up the ladder than the NTDP for coaches aspiring to go to the NHL.

VOB
09-30-2003, 10:36 AM
Right, while a lot of the NTDP U-18 schedule is against US Junior competition which is not of the same quality as the OHL, I don't think it's nearly as grim as you portray it. Schremp will probably be playing close to 20 games against NCAA competition, much of it high quality, and several international tournaments against very high quality opposition. And the USHL and NAHL are producing good talent these days.


U.S. NTDP U-18 will play 22 games against NAHL/USHL teams. This is clearly inferior compeitition. They will then play 4 games against DIII teams, again cleary inferior competition. Only thirteen games will be played against D-1 teams but out of those 13 games only 8 of them will be against quality opponents.

No matter how you slice it, the NTDP schedule is simply not up to par in comparison to the OHL.

VOB
09-30-2003, 11:10 AM
Perhaps Schremp should change agents since his move could backfire on him in a real big way! Here is link to a slam article

http://www.canoe.ca/Slam030930/chl_mis-sun.html

Juan
09-30-2003, 11:54 AM
Perhaps Schremp should change agents since his move could backfire on him in a real big way! Here is link to a slam article

http://www.canoe.ca/Slam030930/chl_mis-sun.html

Schremp's agent is a joke. He has no credibility within Ontario hockey circles, and is seen more as a lovable, bumbling oaf. Virtually every top prospect he has had over the past many years has left him for better agents, usually right before he makes it. My understanding is that he recruited Schremp by hiring his uncle or cousin as a scout.

Scott Norton's claim to fame is that his family owns a small portion of the Chicago Bulls, which apparently entitles him to wear a Bulls NBA championship ring. And I have actually watched this guy show off the ring to people in a minor hockey arena, as if he was on the floor with Jordan and Pippen!

To be quoted as saying that he "doesn't foresee a problem" with his client playing in a hockey game for one team while he is under exclusive contract to another is hilarious - vintage Norton.

Sorry for seeming so hostile, but I have been around minor/junior hockey in Ontario for many years, and while there are many good agents out there, it is the incompetents like this guy who are dangerous to kids' careers.

risingstar
10-01-2003, 01:09 PM
[QUOTE=Juan]Schremp's agent is a joke. He has no credibility within Ontario hockey circles, and is seen more as a lovable, bumbling oaf. Virtually every top prospect he has had over the past many years has left him for better agents, usually right before he makes it. My understanding is that he recruited Schremp by hiring his uncle or cousin as a scout.

Scott Norton's claim to fame is that his family owns a small portion of the Chicago Bulls, which apparently entitles him to wear a Bulls NBA championship ring. And I have actually watched this guy show off the ring to people in a minor hockey arena, as if he was on the floor with Jordan and Pippen!

To be quoted as saying that he "doesn't foresee a problem" with his client playing in a hockey game for one team while he is under exclusive contract to another is hilarious - vintage Norton.

Sorry for seeming so hostile, but I have been around minor/junior hockey in Ontario for many years, and while there are many good agents out there, it is the incompetents like this guy who are dangerous to kids' careers.

I don't know about you but a small piece of the Bulls is more than I own or anyone else I know. I would be pretty proud of that also. With regards to losing clients, I have read his name a lot in recent years, and believe that he still has some pretty good prospects - Dustin Brown for 1!

With regards to Schremp, I don't know his problems with the Club, but I am sure they are pretty important to him or he would not have left knowing it is his draft year. With regards to Norton's comment about not seeing a problem, is he not just following the quotes which I have seen from members of USA Hockey.

If Norton is dangerous to clients and they end up like Dustin Brown, that I would like that danger for my son! Maybe you should stop slandering people and situations that you do not know.

CharlieGirl
10-01-2003, 01:51 PM
It's possible that we'll never know the reason behind Schremp's walking away from Mississauga. If it's because of school, (and it's almost impossible that he's done high school at age 17), then he's showing a side of himself that is anything but attractive to future teams. If he's following advice of his agent, then I hope the advice is based on what's best for Schremp and no one else. Time will tell whether this move has hurt him in the long run, but playing at a lower level (assuming that he is legally able to play in the US at all - this has yet to be determined to my knowledge) can't help him.

It's amazing to me that a kid with such potential is throwing it away.

William H Bonney
10-01-2003, 03:14 PM
It's possible that we'll never know the reason behind Schremp's walking away from Mississauga. If it's because of school, (and it's almost impossible that he's done high school at age 17), then he's showing a side of himself that is anything but attractive to future teams.

How is it "almost impossible" for him to be done with high school at 17? I graduated from high school when I was 17.

AJ1982
10-01-2003, 05:34 PM
How is it "almost impossible" for him to be done with high school at 17? I graduated from high school when I was 17.

For a hockey example Cammalleri did it too.

CharlieGirl
10-02-2003, 04:19 AM
How is it "almost impossible" for him to be done with high school at 17? I graduated from high school when I was 17.
I agree that it's possible to be done high school at 17, with a normal schedule. Keep in mind that, in most cases, OHL players don't have a full schedule. Their schedules usually have them finished school earlier in the day (for practice or games) so instead of the typical 7 or 8 credits in a semester, they're taking 5 or 6 credits per year - thereby making it "almost impossible" to be done high school at 17.

hocscout
10-03-2003, 03:48 PM
Has anyone heard any updated news on Schremp? Will he play on the NTDP u18 team soon?