Where can Comrie really end up?

While I can see there are a lot of people with similar views on what they would like tos ee for comrie, i don't see a lot of people looking at the other teams needs. I think doing a little more of the "REALISTIC" part of the trades would be better.

Realistically who needs a 1/2nd line center that is on the small side. Sure he has lots of upside, but no team is interested in having 2 small centers. I think that is the underlying reason for this trade from the oilers standpoint, They would rather keep York than Comrie. So team with smaller centers in their 1/2 slot can be discounted unless it is a center for center deal.

Teams unlikey to make a deal for Comrei

1) det-datsyuk is small too
2) Col- geez what do they need a center for
3) Dall- these teasm just do not trade.
4) Vcr- not much to interest the oil.
5) Cal- see dall
6) Minny-to many small centers now
7) Toronto- set at center right now
8) Buffalo- to many small centers now
9) St loius- set at center
10) NYR- set at center
11) NyI- set at center
12) NJ- to many small centers now unless gomez going the other way.
13) Carolina set at center
14) CBJ- set at center with to many small centers
15) MTl to many small centers
16) Ott- to much center depth now
17) TB- set at center
18) Philly set at center


So with that list done now we really have a better idea who would be interested in Comrie...

No pitkanen, Komasarek, Lundmark and many more. I think the best bets for deal is FLA,Ana,and Atlanta

Here are some things that might work from the standpoint of both teams.


To FLA Comrie, moreau(keenans typew of guy)

To Edm Krajicek, Hagman, Shidvki

To atl: Comrie

to Edm: Stefan and a 2nd

To anaheim Comrie

To Edm Chsitov( hey so maybe i am just wishing here! :)


Hey that is all i see maybe i am wrong but i doubt it'

The Atlanta one would be interresting to work on... How much $$$ is Stefan making ??? He would fit in Edmonton...

The Atlanta one would be interresting to work on... How much $$$ is Stefan making ??? He would fit in Edmonton...
he's making $1.15 this year and for the Florida one I think hagman and shidvki are available on waivers so u might want to take Moreau out of the deal(ALL EDMONTON PEOPLE STOP OFFERING MOREAU) and replace with a mid-late pick or someone not currently in the line-up

I see BUF as a possibility with Tim Connelly going to EDM. Pure speculation. Seems like a potentially good fit for both squadrons.

To FLA Comrie, moreau(keenans typew of guy)

To Edm Krajicek, Hagman, Shidvki
You're not goin to get Krajicek out of Florida. Comrie doesn't bring the type of game either Dudley nor Keenan is lookin for. They're not goin to give a league wide top 10 prospect up for something they don't want. As I said in another post, Comrie is smaller than Weiss, and Weiss is likely to be headed to San Antonio for some seasoning. Comrie also doesn't play the defensive game Weiss does, so this deal is wouldn't happen.

Also, with Horton showin he wants to play for Keenan this year, Cullen playin a better all around game, and then guys like Nilson and Nederost who could play a third or fourth line center role, there'd be no place for Comrie on the roster.

whatever poster keeps bringing up the stefan/exelby for comrie/? brings up a good idea IMO...

Atlanta and if Sather can get him for a cheap price provided that Comrie moves to the wing, I'm sure he'd be interested.

I could see Comrie ending up in New Jersey maybe for Gomez.The team that could really use Comrie is Pittsburgh but they have little to offer that can help the oilers make a playoff run this season.I assume that Lowe will only send him to the eastern conference which cuts down on the potential trading partners.

I could see Comrie ending up in New Jersey maybe for Gomez.The team that could really use Comrie is Pittsburgh but they have little to offer that can help the oilers make a playoff run this season.I assume that Lowe will only send him to the eastern conference which cuts down on the potential trading partners.
Edmonton has always been a fast skating team and I think Konstantin Koltsov could get Edmonton interested in Pittsburgh I also think Comrie would be a great fit with the Penguins.

I could see Comrie ending up in New Jersey maybe for Gomez.The team that could really use Comrie is Pittsburgh but they have little to offer that can help the oilers make a playoff run this season.I assume that Lowe will only send him to the eastern conference which cuts down on the potential trading partners.
I don't think it's a given that Lowe will only deal with the East.

And I don't think it's a necessity that he gets something that would help them make the playoffs this season, either. Realistically, the Oilers would be hard-pressed to make the playoffs even with Comrie (or any reasonable return) in the lineup. So does it really hurt the team any to think longer-term?

NJ has no need for Comrie, he wouldn't last a week under Burns.

NJ has no need for Comrie, he wouldn't last a week under Burns.
correct, same for-
Phi has no need for Comrie, he wouldn't last a week under Hitchcock
Min does not want Comrie, he wouldn't last a week under Le maire

correct, same for-
Phi has no need for Comrie, he wouldn't last a week under Hitchcock
Min does not want Comrie, he wouldn't last a week under Le maire

As would just about every players a person would talk about that is young and scores. But if you think they wouldn't like him on their team your kidding. He'd take some coaching and it would be a lot of effort on behalf of the coaches, but trust me, they'd want to make it work.

I've been the proponent of the Comrie to Atlanta package for a long time now. Stefan has become something of a role player in Atlanta and will never realize the talent he has as a Thrasher. I'm not saying Stefan has been a bust, far from it actually. He just hasn't produced as much offensively as Atlanta has hoped. Change of scenery is much needed for this diamond in the ruff.

As much as I think Stefan will excel on the fast ice in Edmonton in between York and Dvorak (oh, baby), the real beauty from an Oil perspective is that Comrie has greater trade value. Lowe could and should insist on Exelby being part of the deal. Atlanta will likely want and deserve a decent 3rd line forward in the pot and I'd be happy to oblige.

Comrie & Pisani ------ for ------ Stefan & Exelby

or

Comrie & Chimera ------ for ------ Stefan, Exelby, 4th

or

Comrie & Rita ------ for ------ Stefan, Exelby, 3rd

We'll just trade for him once he reaches or is in his prime.. (Arnott, Guerin)..

Seriously.. I could see him going to Boston or either St.Louis (odd feeling, but these two teams just have a history of making blockbusters)..

I think Stefan & Safronov for Comrie makes a lot of sense for the Oilers. Safronov I feel will be let go easier than Exelby by the Thrashers, and he may be more of Lowe's archtype player. Could be a good one if he breaks out in Edmonton.

I'd push and push and push some more for "X" if I were Lowe. Should Atlanta not budge, I might just do a Comrie for Stefan & Safronov -- as long as Edmonton did not have to add ANY other players or picks

...unless they want Salo.

I heard a rumour of Comrie to Chicago for Arnason. Take it for what it's worth. :rolly:

The Atlanta one would be interresting to work on... How much $$$ is Stefan making ??? He would fit in Edmonton...

I mention a couple of times on various boards that Atl./Edm had a deal at draft time Comrie for #8. At the last moment it fell through because
Atl wanted horcroft also.

I was at a golf tournament with an Edm Scout.

And as I keep telling people, you can doubt it if you want to but this is FACT.

Atl. seems the most interested but I think they got wind of the selfish tag and are less likely to move a valuable commodity for a potential problem. Unless it's a problem for problem transaction

Was that before or after the signing of Marc Savard? I just can't see a team in the NHL having two centers so alike. It just doesn't make sense. Unless Atlanta could find a suitor for Savard I think the interest in Comrie died the minute Savard was signed. Plus, Savard is a helluva lot cheaper than Comrie and equally as effective.

Was that before or after the signing of Marc Savard? I just can't see a team in the NHL having two centers so alike. It just doesn't make sense. Unless Atlanta could find a suitor for Savard I think the interest in Comrie died the minute Savard was signed. Plus, Savard is a helluva lot cheaper than Comrie and equally as effective.

Still got to think that the Thrashers are a good fit for Comrie. Marc Savard doesn't belong in the same sentence - just look at what Savard was obtained for and what Comrie may go for.

Kovalchuk-Comrie-Heatley would be a killer line. Atlanta is willing to move a D, and could move Stefan. If I were the Thrashers I would offer Stefan and Tjarnqvist for Comrie, while if they wanted Savard and a pick instead of Stefan (as if) I would be thrilled to cooperate.

Edit: Btw Comrie is a bad fit for Ottawa - he wouldn't last a week under Chara.

Marc Savard doesn't belong in the same sentence - just look at what Savard was obtained for and what Comrie may go for.

er...

While I'm hopeful that Comrie brings a better return than Savard did, this line of logic doesn't exactly...

uh...

:dunno:

you were being self-referential and sarcastic, right?

you were being self-referential and sarcastic, right?

Me, self-referential and sarcastic? Hit the bullseye. Ouch.

I can definitely see some interest from the Atlanta end. Earlier, around the draft I think, DW expressed interest in Moreau. As much as I like Exelby, and would hate to move him, I could see a deal like:

Atlanta: Comrie & Moreau
Edmonton: Stefan & Exelby & pick (3rd/4th rounder?)

I'd be much more inclined to include Safronov or Foster since they don't figure to get much playing time in Atlanta this year but still have a lot of potential. Or Tjarnqvist if there is any interest in him.

How about:

Atlanta: Comrie & Moreau
Edmonton: Stefan & Foster/Safronov/Tjarnqvist & 2nd round pick

Or maybe one of the veteran D-men with salary paid? Tamer or Tremblay with Atlanta picking up 1/2 of their salary?

I am extremely curious to see where and what Comrie goes and brings. I like the Stefan/Ex trade idea. I think that it would make the Oil allot stronger than they are with a happy Comrie in the line up and even if he was already signed and playing would make that deal. (The one that sends Comrie and either of the third liners mentioned although I would preffer Chimera).

Comrie is twice as good as Savard, look at their numbers. Not saying that Savard is a load but he isn't the same quality of player that I think Comrie is. (we are all allowed our own opinions)

Stefan keeps getting better and won't really get his shot in Atl at becoming a top six scoring forward. He is fastly becomming a scoring third line D type of center there and I think that on the Oil he might become allot more. Ex is a great player who would fit the Oils system. Com and Chim would both make the Atl allot better right now and give them two great young centers that are both more than capable of getting 60 points per season (allot more in DH's case) while playing really good in thier own ends.

I like this deal for both teams, that is why it will never happen.

Stefan keeps getting better and won't really get his shot in Atl at becoming a top six scoring forward. He is fastly becomming a scoring third line D type of center there and I think that on the Oil he might become allot more. Stefan has been top 6 in Atlanta since his rookie year, what are you talking about.

I am extremely curious to see where and what Comrie goes and brings. I like the Stefan/Ex trade idea. I think that it would make the Oil allot stronger than they are with a happy Comrie in the line up and even if he was already signed and playing would make that deal. (The one that sends Comrie and either of the third liners mentioned although I would preffer Chimera).

Comrie is twice as good as Savard, look at their numbers. Not saying that Savard is a load but he isn't the same quality of player that I think Comrie is. (we are all allowed our own opinions)

Stefan keeps getting better and won't really get his shot in Atl at becoming a top six scoring forward. He is fastly becomming a scoring third line D type of center there and I think that on the Oil he might become allot more. Ex is a great player who would fit the Oils system. Com and Chim would both make the Atl allot better right now and give them two great young centers that are both more than capable of getting 60 points per season (allot more in DH's case) while playing really good in thier own ends.

I like this deal for both teams, that is why it will never happen.

Twice as good?
I did just look at the numbers
Savard 376 Games played 252 Points (.67 PPG). Career best 23 goals, 65 points

Comrie 192 Games played 133 Points (.69 PPG). Career best 33 goals, 60 points.

For the record I do think Comrie IS better. he's younger and has more of a goal scorers upside, but to suggest that the numbers support that Comrie is twice the player? that's a stretch, IMO

Marc Savard doesn't belong in the same sentence - just look at what Savard was obtained for and what Comrie may go for.


Hilarious! Wanna take a look at their stats and say that with a straight face? Wanna listen to the pissing and moaning coming from the fans and what a terrible defensive player Comrie is, and say that with a straight face? Outside of age, the only place that Comrie has an advantage over Savard is in the goal scoring department, but Savard is better in the setup department. Oh, and of course Comrie does have an edge in the hold-out department, two-to-one.

Okay, if Savard is indeed, not worthy of being in the same sentence as Comrie (.69 versus .67 ppg aveage for the two players mind you) why are the Oilers not willing to cough up the dough to sign the diminutive superstar??? If Savard is worth $2 million a season, then Comrie is definitely worth the $3.5 to 4.5 he's asking, right? I think its time for some people here to do some soul searching and realize just where Mike Comrie's value is, and just what a potential return there is waiting out there.

If Savard is worth $2 million a season, then Comrie is definitely worth the $3.5 to 4.5 he's asking, right?

To put it simply, no. Savard is 26 years old... Comrie is 23. They can't really be compared to as their respective positions in regards to the CBA are vastly different. Comrie has no arbitration rights... Savard does.

Besides, where's the proof that he's asking for 3.5 - 4 million anyway? Kevin Lowe was asked in a press conference if Comrie was looking for a Brad Richards-type contract... Lowe laughed and said no. Take that how you will... All of this is speculation at this point and very little evidence has been leaked to the public..

Since when is Comrie asking for 3.5 to 4.5?
Last i heard it was 2-ish

Stefan has been top 6 in Atlanta since his rookie year, what are you talking about.

Well other than Kovalchuk the Thrashers 2nd line has hardly been what I would consider NHL Top 6 quality.

Stefan's offense, or lack thereof, along with his consistent improvement on the defensive side certainly makes him a likely 3rd line C down the line.

I would rather keep Exelby, if Stefan and Safronov or Tjarnqvist can do the job. Good.

am i the only guy who would like to see ramzi abid in edmonton? big winger/centre.

i posted this once before but how about ramzi abid + someone else for mike comrie and someone else.

lemiex is on his last lap and mike comrie would be invaluable for the pens.
abid is a big shane doan type player who is capable of taking faceoffs, great infront of the net and might have more finish the izzy.

Well other than Kovalchuk the Thrashers 2nd line has hardly been what I would consider NHL Top 6 quality. That's irrelevant, or if anything, supports the opposite point. If the 2nd line is so bad, surely Stefan would make it, right?

Stefan's offense, or lack thereof, along with his consistent improvement on the defensive side certainly makes him a likely 3rd line C down the line. This is a minority view. And not the view of management, importantly.

am i the only guy who would like to see ramzi abid in edmonton? big winger/centre.

i posted this once before but how about ramzi abid + someone else for mike comrie and someone else.

lemiex is on his last lap and mike comrie would be invaluable for the pens.
abid is a big shane doan type player who is capable of taking faceoffs, great infront of the net and might have more finish the izzy.
Edmonton has far too many left wingers I want Koltzov this guy is a freak of nature.

http://pittsburghpenguins.com/multimedia/files/092603-Koltsovgoal3a.rm

Everyone in the forum has to watch this once!!!

Abid was *very* impressive for a short span with Phoenix last season.

[QUOTE=oilers_guy_eddie. So does it really hurt the team any to think longer-term?[/QUOTE]



Gomez isn't exactly over the hill at 23 so he would be both immediate and long term help.Wouldn't he?

I see BUF as a possibility with Tim Connelly going to EDM. Pure speculation. Seems like a potentially good fit for both squadrons.

Comrie's problem in EDM is mostly money. He wants $4 mil/year. There's no way he fits into the Sabres budget at that price. Now, if he's willing to play for what Connolly's making (1.6 mil or so), then yeah, swapping them would be a fine deal for the Sabres. Realistically, I don't see that happening.

Ta,

I'm actually hoping for a Kris Beech and Milan Kraft deal for Comrie.
Both players have been bouncing up and down from the minors but their size and upside are exactly what the Oilers need.

NASHVILLE !!

they haven't been an expansion team for a few years now and the pressure is starting to build. Last year, they guaranteed their fans a playoff spot or else they would refund the ticket price increase. They finished 2nd last in the conference, not even close. I could easily see them making a trade for right now by giving up some of their future.

Last year, they managed to outscore florida and carolina and nobody else. Even the flames outscored them last year. They have two defensemen that would seriously interest the oilers - hamhuis and suter. Lowe has allready tried for suter but was rebuffed at the draft.

Since when is Comrie asking for 3.5 to 4.5?
Last i heard it was 2-ish

Comrie's agent has said he wants to start at last year's numbers, which was $4.5 when all was said and done. That will mean at least 3/4 of that money guaranteed and another quarter in attainable bonuses. Lowe was a moron for giving in on Comrie's rookie salary, and now its coming home to bite him in the ass.

Comrie's agent has said he wants to start at last year's numbers, which was $4.5 when all was said and done. That will mean at least 3/4 of that money guaranteed and another quarter in attainable bonuses. Lowe was a moron for giving in on Comrie's rookie salary, and now its coming home to bite him in the ass.

I agree completely. It would have been much wiser to let comrie walk as a ufa ( via the van ryn loophole) and pocket the 3.5 mill. Heck, we could have even had a top 10 draft pick the last two years.

Who needs a kid who scores 61 in his first year and was on pace for 68 in his second. Those guys grow on trees, Lanny.

he's making $1.15 this year and for the Florida one I think hagman and shidvki are available on waivers so u might want to take Moreau out of the deal(ALL EDMONTON PEOPLE STOP OFFERING MOREAU) and replace with a mid-late pick or someone not currently in the line-up

I put Moreau in because we are getting forwards back and need to make room for them. Moreau would be just the kind of player Keenan would like and from an oiler standpoint i think hagman would be a great oiler

Comrie's agent has said he wants to start at last year's numbers, which was $4.5 when all was said and done. That will mean at least 3/4 of that money guaranteed and another quarter in attainable bonuses. Lowe was a moron for giving in on Comrie's rookie salary, and now its coming home to bite him in the ass.

You honestly think Comrie is looking for more money than Ryan Smyth? Get your head out of your ass Lanny.

You're not goin to get Krajicek out of Florida. Comrie doesn't bring the type of game either Dudley nor Keenan is lookin for. They're not goin to give a league wide top 10 prospect up for something they don't want. As I said in another post, Comrie is smaller than Weiss, and Weiss is likely to be headed to San Antonio for some seasoning. Comrie also doesn't play the defensive game Weiss does, so this deal is wouldn't happen.

Also, with Horton showin he wants to play for Keenan this year, Cullen playin a better all around game, and then guys like Nilson and Nederost who could play a third or fourth line center role, there'd be no place for Comrie on the roster.


FLA has no one on their roster right now with Comries offensive ability except maybe Kozlov and Jokinen. Comrie will get 60 points or mroe and plays a gritty game even for a little guy. I love it when you say that weiss will do everything that comrie will, yet FLA seems to be sending him to the minors so i wonder how that will work. Will Weiss be scoring 60 points on his days off from San antonio? If Weiss is so great defensivly why is he going to the minors then? You don't get sent to the minors to learn offense you get sent down to learn defence. So i think you sunk your argument right there.

NJ has no need for Comrie, he wouldn't last a week under Burns.

Yup your right on that one. Burns would be calling his biker uddies and comrie would never be seen again! :)

Twice as good?
I did just look at the numbers
Savard 376 Games played 252 Points (.67 PPG). Career best 23 goals, 65 points

Comrie 192 Games played 133 Points (.69 PPG). Career best 33 goals, 60 points.

For the record I do think Comrie IS better. he's younger and has more of a goal scorers upside, but to suggest that the numbers support that Comrie is twice the player? that's a stretch, IMO

But when if you had seen Comrie beating the tar out of Briere last season you would definitly raise your opinion mof Comrie :)

You honestly think Comrie is looking for more money than Ryan Smyth? Get your head out of your ass Lanny.

Guess what Sparky, he got it last year. That's the problem with massive bonus laden contracts that are easy to attain. The raise the salary bar and make it difficult to justify your way out of it.

BTW... just so you know, and for sake of argument, Comrie has scored 111 points in the past two seasons, the very same amount as Ryan Smyth. Comrie has also lit the lamp 53 times compared to Smyth's 45. Don't think for a second that these numbers haven't been drilled into Kevin Lowe's ass by Rich Winter? Nawww, he wouldn't negotiate that way. Its not like he's done it that way in the past.

:rolleyes:

Don't think for a second that these numbers haven't been drilled into Kevin Lowe's ass by Rich Winter? Nawww, he wouldn't negotiate that way. Its not like he's done it that way in the past.

:rolleyes:

I'm not even gonna ask how you know that Lanny. ;)

Yea.. and Simone Gagne led the team in scoring when his contract was up which meant he got paid 9 million, just like Leclaire! Oh.. wait..

Theres obviously no talking to you Lanny.. your hate for the Oilers just blinds you from any logic.

Guess what Sparky, he got it last year. That's the problem with massive bonus laden contracts that are easy to attain. The raise the salary bar and make it difficult to justify your way out of it.

BTW... just so you know, and for sake of argument, Comrie has scored 111 points in the past two seasons, the very same amount as Ryan Smyth. Comrie has also lit the lamp 53 times compared to Smyth's 45. Don't think for a second that these numbers haven't been drilled into Kevin Lowe's ass by Rich Winter? Nawww, he wouldn't negotiate that way. Its not like he's done it that way in the past.

:rolleyes:

The problem with your logic is that Smyth had arbitration rights and Comrie doesn't so Comrie has 2 choices sign what is offered or sit and wait for a trade. The single biggest hurdle isn't money the way i see it, it is the fact that comrie isn't happy playing in EDM because of the fishbowl effect. The moeny thing could be solved through negotiation, but the happiness thing is a whole different animal. If Comrie is traded it won't be over money.

As far as Edmonton wanting Koltsov. Mario likes Koltsov way too much to trade him I think. He has only ever said great things about Konstantin even before he was signed. He has talked with higher regard of Koltsov than with any other Pens prospect I've seen.

Now as for Abid, Beech, or Kraft. All 3 would be available. Not all in one deal necesarily, but 2 of them is a possibility for someone like Comrie.

Yea.. and Simone Gagne led the team in scoring when his contract was up which meant he got paid 9 million, just like Leclaire! Oh.. wait..

Theres obviously no talking to you Lanny.. your hate for the Oilers just blinds you from any logic.

WTF??? Grab a brain. Who gives a rats ass what team the guy plays for. The fact is that the player made $4.5 million last season. That's what he got paid to do his job. Now he's going to take a hit of $3.4 million to sign with the team, out of the goodness of his heart? Riiiiiiight! Oh wait, I'm saying that because I hate the Oilers, not because it makes complete and total sense.

Okay smart guy. Let me get it straight as to what you're saying.

1) Comrie is asking for only $2 million a season.

2) The Oilers are not prepapred to pay their leading goal scorer from the past two seasons $2 million a season, and are willing to risk the season for a measly $800K.

3) Rich Winter is going to get his client to leave a whack of cash on the table to re-sign with the Oilers.

4) No one is willing to cough up more than a prospect for Comrie, who is only asking for $2 million a season.

5) Comrie has no leverage because he does not have arbitration rights.

These are the things that you're trying to get people to believe? I just want to make sure that this is what you are saying. You know, I don't want my "hate" for the team to get in the way of the comprehension of the obvious.

WTF??? Grab a brain. Who gives a rats ass what team the guy plays for. The fact is that the player made $4.5 million last season. That's what he got paid to do his job. Now he's going to take a hit of $3.4 million to sign with the team, out of the goodness of his heart? Riiiiiiight! Oh wait, I'm saying that because I hate the Oilers, not because it makes complete and total sense.

Okay smart guy. Let me get it straight as to what you're saying.

1) Comrie is asking for only $2 million a season.

Prolly about 2.5ish


2) The Oilers are not prepapred to pay their leading goal scorer from the past two seasons $2 million a season, and are willing to risk the season for a measly $800K.

I dont think they want to pay the guy 2.5 million.
Risk the season? Wow.. when did the season start?


3) Rich Winter is going to get his client to leave a whack of cash on the table to re-sign with the Oilers.

He doesnt have a choice.

4) No one is willing to cough up more than a prospect for Comrie, who is only asking for $2 million a season.
I dont know what youre talking about here. Maybe my comprehension is low. :dunno: Feel free to explain.


5) Comrie has no leverage because he does not have arbitration rights.

He has some leverage if the team goes into the season and starts doing a flames impression. Still not that much. CBA is coming up.. why risk giving a guy a bloated contract for one season?

Prolly about 2.5ish



I dont think they want to pay the guy 2.5 million.
Risk the season? Wow.. when did the season start?



He doesnt have a choice.

I dont know what youre talking about here. Maybe my comprehension is low. :dunno: Feel free to explain.


He has some leverage if the team goes into the season and starts doing a flames impression. Still not that much. CBA is coming up.. why risk giving a guy a bloated contract for one season?

1) So where does this magic $2.5 million number come from? Hmmm? I've backed my number up based on what the Oilers paid him last season. Again, why would he take less? A base of $2.5 is possible, but I can't see any agent getting his player a penny less than what he made last season.

2) Yes, risk the season. No Comrie, and nothing in return from him, could be disasterous for Edmonton. We're talking about the team's top line center, not some fourth line plumber who doesn't contribute. We're also talking about the guy who has scored more goals than anyone in Oiler togs over the past two years.

3) Comrie doesn't have a choice? Oh, he has a choice alright. He can sit and watch Lowe and the Oilers sweat. He may not have arbitration rights but he does have the right to with-hold his services and hope for his employer to struggle. And with Horcoff and Reasoner as the top two natural centers in Edmonton that is more leverage than any player in his position can hope for.

4) Comrie was on the block at the draft. The rumors then were the Rangers and the Ducks were interested in Comrie, but were only willing to give up Lundmark or Chistov at the time. Both of those players are still considered prospects. That was also before Comrie held out, which will drive his value even further south.

5) Why risk giving a guy a bloated contract for one season? Why not? K-Lo gave him one for three years, so what's so bad about another year? Hell, if you're willing to set a guy up to pay him $4.5 million in the final year of his rookie contract, where's the harm in paying him 2/3 that to get him under contract for a year before new rules are put in place?

lanny, a few things to set you straight

1 I am pretty sure comrie made 3.5 last year, not 4.5. I read the 4.5 number recently and was pretty sure it was 3.5 total, not 3.5 in bonusses.

2 matheson is saying that a figure of 2.0 mill is where they will settle. I trust his opinion more than anyone on this site, including you.

3 your hatred for the oilers is obvious, always has been, always will be. Relax, it is ok. This site is for fans and you are obviously not a fan of the oilers. Everyone else can respect that. Can you respect our desicion to not give you a lot of credibility when it comes to discussing the oilers?

4 I don't see why people get upset over this. The reality is that none of know where he is headed to so it makes no sense to get all bothered when someone else disagrees with your prognastication. You both look like children.

1) So where does this magic $2.5 million number come from? Hmmm? I've backed my number up based on what the Oilers paid him last season. Again, why would he take less? A base of $2.5 is possible, but I can't see any agent getting his player a penny less than what he made last season.

It comes from logic. Look at Comrie comparables.

2) Yes, risk the season. No Comrie, and nothing in return from him, could be disasterous for Edmonton. We're talking about the team's top line center, not some fourth line plumber who doesn't contribute. We're also talking about the guy who has scored more goals than anyone in Oiler togs over the past two years.

Again, the season hasnt even started. Atleast wait till the season begins to start talking about risking the season.

3) Comrie doesn't have a choice? Oh, he has a choice alright. He can sit and watch Lowe and the Oilers sweat. He may not have arbitration rights but he does have the right to with-hold his services and hope for his employer to struggle. And with Horcoff and Reasoner as the top two natural centers in Edmonton that is more leverage than any player in his position can hope for.

We'll see..

4) Comrie was on the block at the draft. The rumors then were the Rangers and the Ducks were interested in Comrie, but were only willing to give up Lundmark or Chistov at the time. Both of those players are still considered prospects. That was also before Comrie held out, which will drive his value even further south.

If the Oilers got Chistov for Comrie im sure almost every Oiler fan would be happy.


5) Why risk giving a guy a bloated contract for one season? Why not? K-Lo gave him one for three years, so what's so bad about another year? Hell, if you're willing to set a guy up to pay him $4.5 million in the final year of his rookie contract, where's the harm in paying him 2/3 that to get him under contract for a year before new rules are put in place?

No one thought Comrie was going to hit all those bonuses. Hell.. i think they were planning on keeping Weight at like 5mil.. leaving Comrie to center the second line.

1) So where does this magic $2.5 million number come from? Hmmm? I've backed my number up based on what the Oilers paid him last season. Again, why would he take less? A base of $2.5 is possible, but I can't see any agent getting his player a penny less than what he made last season.
Remember the goofy contract that Chris Gratton got from the Flyers, the one that gave him a base of $1.5m with a $9m signing bonus? That averaged out to $3.5 million a year... he got less on his following contract. Winter and Comrie knew when they signed the first contract that they wouldn't have the same bargaining power this time.

David Legwand signed for $1.5/$1.7... Mike York signed for $1.2/2.0... Marc Savard, who I hear is pretty similar to Comrie, agreed to $2.0 before his arbitration hearing.


2) Yes, risk the season. No Comrie, and nothing in return from him, could be disasterous for Edmonton. We're talking about the team's top line center, not some fourth line plumber who doesn't contribute. We're also talking about the guy who has scored more goals than anyone in Oiler togs over the past two years.

As you yourself have pointed out, the Oilers season would be at risk even with all hands on deck. You're not going to turn around and say Mike Comrie is the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, are you?

Even if the playoffs were a Sure Thing with Comrie signed, the business-sense of signing him to a contract larger than 2-3 home playoff gates just doesn't add up.

3) Comrie doesn't have a choice? Oh, he has a choice alright. He can sit and watch Lowe and the Oilers sweat. He may not have arbitration rights but he does have the right to with-hold his services and hope for his employer to struggle. And with Horcoff and Reasoner as the top two natural centers in Edmonton that is more leverage than any player in his position can hope for.

Again, this supposed leverage Comrie has depends on the idea that the Oilers can't afford a losing season. That's dubious. In dollars and cents terms, the Oilers are poised for their best season in several years, thanks to the season ticket base, the new affiliate agreement, the stronger Canadian dollar, and Comrie's contract being done. The team is financially on solid ground up to the end of the CBA, and doesn't need to do anything foolish to get people through the turnstiles.

4) Comrie was on the block at the draft. The rumors then were the Rangers and the Ducks were interested in Comrie, but were only willing to give up Lundmark or Chistov at the time. Both of those players are still considered prospects. That was also before Comrie held out, which will drive his value even further south.
Last time I checked, nobody was expecting Kovalchuk...

5) Why risk giving a guy a bloated contract for one season? Why not? K-Lo gave him one for three years, so what's so bad about another year? Hell, if you're willing to set a guy up to pay him $4.5 million in the final year of his rookie contract, where's the harm in paying him 2/3 that to get him under contract for a year before new rules are put in place?
Why not?
-because unlike last time, the Oilers have Comrie's NHL rights locked up.
-because the base salary Comrie gets in this contract sets his qualifying offer for every future contract.
-because there's no point in offering a guy more than an arbitrator would give him, especially before he's even eligible to file.
-because giving him that much money really would make him untradeable in today's climate.

lanny, a few things to set you straight

1 I am pretty sure comrie made 3.5 last year, not 4.5. I read the 4.5 number recently and was pretty sure it was 3.5 total, not 3.5 in bonusses.

2 matheson is saying that a figure of 2.0 mill is where they will settle. I trust his opinion more than anyone on this site, including you.

3 your hatred for the oilers is obvious, always has been, always will be. Relax, it is ok. This site is for fans and you are obviously not a fan of the oilers. Everyone else can respect that. Can you respect our desicion to not give you a lot of credibility when it comes to discussing the oilers?

4 I don't see why people get upset over this. The reality is that none of know where he is headed to so it makes no sense to get all bothered when someone else disagrees with your prognastication. You both look like children.

And a few things to set you straight.

1) The number that I have seen repeated over and over is $4.5 million dollars. That is the one that is widely accepted and discussed. I'll stick with that one thank you.

2) Mathison is a pom pom waiver from the Edmonton media. He's been nothing but a mouth piece for Lowe in this whole sitaution and many others. He is as far from objective as anyone can be. I actually don't see anyone in the Edmonton media that could be construed as being objective, but that is for another post in itself. I have some information from a player agent who has some vested interst in how the Comrie situation shakes out. Player agents talk, so I think his information is pretty solid and probably a helluva lot more accurate. I see no reason for him to say something about the situation that isn't true.

3) I don't hate any team. I hate the clowns that cheer for given teams, especially the ones that refuse to see the obvious in front of them. I have nothing against the Oilers players. They're a collection of bodies that will be cast to the wind in a matter of five years and most will be playing elsewhere. That's the nature of the NHL and it affects every team in the league. So why hate a "team" because the players that are there are not going to be there for an extended period of more than a couple of years for the most part. There are players that I really hate, but very few of them are on the Oilers. As a matter of fact the Oilers have a few of my favorite players, so I don't think it's a hate thing with the team. Just the uneducated mouth breathers who profess their undying devotion to the team and blindly accept anything that comes out of the front office. Oh, and BTW, the Flames have their own fair share of uneducated mouth breathers that drive me up the wall too, so does that mean I hate the Flames as well?

Remember the goofy contract that Chris Gratton got from the Flyers, the one that gave him a base of $1.5m with a $9m signing bonus? ...

... -because giving him that much money really would make him untradeable in today's climate.

Jesus, I give up. Comrie is going to capitulate and sign for the $1.2 million that Lowe is offering, declining all potential bonuses, signing or incentive. He's going to sign before Friday and be in the lineup for the season opener where he will score a hat trick and lead the Oilers to their forst rout of many this season. Comrie will score 50 goals, add 75 assists, win the Art Ross, Richard, Hart and Pearson trophies. He will donate his entire salary to charity, take a vow of silence and become a monk, in the off season, living in the desolate reaches of Tibet, helping others attain enlightenment. Makes complete sense, contrary to the evidence at hand.

:lol:

Comrie wasn't on the trading block at the draft. The Oilers wanted to move up in the draft into the top 5. The teams in the top 5 wanted Comrie to give up a top 5. The Oilers backed out because they didn't want to trade Comrie.

:lol:

Can you elaborate on that :lol: ?

You don't agree that Comrie would be untradable at a salary around $4.5 million per year? At a time when teams are trying to unload *established* stars over salary?

You doubt that there are other examples of players whose lucrative bonuses didn't set the base for their later contracts?

What's the source of this all pressure that's going to force Lowe into caving?

While your sarcastic little spiel was certainly amusing, I'd really appreciate hearing your insight into this.

Jesus, I give up.

That's probably the best thing to do when you lose an arguement. By the way, I haven't noticed anyone say any of that stuff in your last post. Why do you make it up and put it in the mouths of Oiler fans?

Jesus, I give up. Comrie is going to capitulate and sign for the $1.2 million that Lowe is offering, declining all potential bonuses, signing or incentive. He's going to sign before Friday and be in the lineup for the season opener where he will score a hat trick and lead the Oilers to their forst rout of many this season. Comrie will score 50 goals, add 75 assists, win the Art Ross, Richard, Hart and Pearson trophies. He will donate his entire salary to charity, take a vow of silence and become a monk, in the off season, living in the desolate reaches of Tibet, helping others attain enlightenment. Makes complete sense, contrary to the evidence at hand.

:lol:
Better hope your not psychic, or you'll be kicking yourself in the rear. :lol:

I have some information from a player agent who has some vested interst in how the Comrie situation shakes out. Player agents talk, so I think his information is pretty solid and probably a helluva lot more accurate. I see no reason for him to say something about the situation that isn't true.


Ask your buddy if? Comrie has asked to be traded!
My information is that in fact he did...and long before the holdout.

Can you elaborate on that :lol: ?

You don't agree that Comrie would be untradable at a salary around $4.5 million per year? At a time when teams are trying to unload *established* stars over salary?

You doubt that there are other examples of players whose lucrative bonuses didn't set the base for their later contracts?

What's the source of this all pressure that's going to force Lowe into caving?

While your sarcastic little spiel was certainly amusing, I'd really appreciate hearing your insight into this.

I completely agree that Comrie is untradeable at $4.5 million a season. Hell, I think he's untradeable at $2.5 million a season. I don't think that is up for debate. What is up or debate is the the situation between the Oilers and the Comrie camp. The Oiler fans are certain that Comrie is going to sign for a silly amount, that being just over the rookie cap. Sure, that makes sense. Ignorance of the fact that he held the team hostage for his first contract. Ignorance of the fact that he's coming off of a contract that made him $4.5 million this past year. Ignorance of the fact that his agent is one of the best in the business and gets what is best for his client. Ignorance of the fact that he is not in camp and the media is trashing him left, right and center. Ignorance of the fact that the Oilers don't have the depth to drop a top six player and the Comrie camp knows this well and would benefit him greatly through a hold out. Ignornace of the fact that Lowe himself stated that he tried to trade Comrie at the draft and that there were no takers. Its one thing to be a fan of a team, but its another to turn a blind eye at the facts that are staring back at you.

So where is the source of all this pressure to sign or trade Comrie? Gee, I don't know, the same desire that drives every team in the NHL? The desire of the Oilers to be competitive and the desire to be a playoff team? Or don't the fans want that in Edmonton? And please don't try and sell me some **** and bull story about the fans in Edmonton being extremely loyal and willing to stand behind the team through thick and thin, or we'll have to remind you of the great support the fans gave the team in the midst of its playoff drought in the 90's. Fans support a winner, plain and simple, and if the Oilers aren't willing to take the required steps to ice a winner it will only be a matter of time before support begins to dwindle. All it takes is the one domino to fall and a lot of bad things can happen (no I'm not saying it is going to, but the potential is there if you know what I mean). The pressure is there to sign a home grown player and a key contributor to the hockey club. If you say there isn't, then you're kidding yourself and probably leaving what looks to be a con-trail behind you when you walk, from all that smoke you've been blowing up your own ass.

As I have said repeatedly in this thread, if the sticking point is a mere $800K per season then Comrie would be signed by now. Hell, K-Lo over-paid Moreau more than that, so that argument is moot. There are substantial dollar values that are obviously standing between a deal. All the indicators are there. What is so bloody hard to believe about it? Lowe bent himself over on the first contract and that is going to be the basis for all other contracts that Comrie signs with Edmonton, and likely any other NHL team. Winter is a damn good agent (likely the best in the business) and will not give in easily. Why would Winter leave money on the table for his client when the loop holes for his next contract will likely be closed after the next CBA? He won't. That is not in the best interest of his client. The best thing he can do is to sit and practice in Michigan and wait for a deal to be hammered out or force a trade a la Mike Peca.

I guess I should turn this whole discussion around and ask WHY is Comrie going to sign for less, give up a chance to exert the leverage he has and get what he wants? Its already been mentioned he doesn't like playing in Edmonton, so why would he sign a deal that would be in the Oiler's best interest and allow them to keep him? He could get more money, be in a city he wants to be in, and have more stability by holding out. Why would he forgo this plan to set himself up for failure?

I completely agree that Comrie is untradeable at $4.5 million a season. Hell, I think he's untradeable at $2.5 million a season. I don't think that is up for debate. What is up or debate is the the situation between the Oilers and the Comrie camp. The Oiler fans are certain that Comrie is going to sign for a silly amount, that being just over the rookie cap. Sure, that makes sense. Ignorance of the fact that he held the team hostage for his first contract. Ignorance of the fact that he's coming off of a contract that made him $4.5 million this past year. Ignorance of the fact that his agent is one of the best in the business and gets what is best for his client. Ignorance of the fact that he is not in camp and the media is trashing him left, right and center. Ignorance of the fact that the Oilers don't have the depth to drop a top six player and the Comrie camp knows this well and would benefit him greatly through a hold out. Ignornace of the fact that Lowe himself stated that he tried to trade Comrie at the draft and that there were no takers. Its one thing to be a fan of a team, but its another to turn a blind eye at the facts that are staring back at you.

So where is the source of all this pressure to sign or trade Comrie? Gee, I don't know, the same desire that drives every team in the NHL? The desire of the Oilers to be competitive and the desire to be a playoff team? Or don't the fans want that in Edmonton? And please don't try and sell me some **** and bull story about the fans in Edmonton being extremely loyal and willing to stand behind the team through thick and thin, or we'll have to remind you of the great support the fans gave the team in the midst of its playoff drought in the 90's. Fans support a winner, plain and simple, and if the Oilers aren't willing to take the required steps to ice a winner it will only be a matter of time before support begins to dwindle. All it takes is the one domino to fall and a lot of bad things can happen (no I'm not saying it is going to, but the potential is there if you know what I mean). The pressure is there to sign a home grown player and a key contributor to the hockey club. If you say there isn't, then you're kidding yourself and probably leaving what looks to be a con-trail behind you when you walk, from all that smoke you've been blowing up your own ass.

As I have said repeatedly in this thread, if the sticking point is a mere $800K per season then Comrie would be signed by now. Hell, K-Lo over-paid Moreau more than that, so that argument is moot. There are substantial dollar values that are obviously standing between a deal. All the indicators are there. What is so bloody hard to believe about it? Lowe bent himself over on the first contract and that is going to be the basis for all other contracts that Comrie signs with Edmonton, and likely any other NHL team. Winter is a damn good agent (likely the best in the business) and will not give in easily. Why would Winter leave money on the table for his client when the loop holes for his next contract will likely be closed after the next CBA? He won't. That is not in the best interest of his client. The best thing he can do is to sit and practice in Michigan and wait for a deal to be hammered out or force a trade a la Mike Peca.

I guess I should turn this whole discussion around and ask WHY is Comrie going to sign for less, give up a chance to exert the leverage he has and get what he wants? Its already been mentioned he doesn't like playing in Edmonton, so why would he sign a deal that would be in the Oiler's best interest and allow them to keep him? He could get more money, be in a city he wants to be in, and have more stability by holding out. Why would he forgo this plan to set himself up for failure?

lol. Nobody wants Comrie, says Lowe? 'fraid not. When Lowe was trying to move up in the draft everybody wanted to do something with either Hemsky or Comrie. Comrie has no where near the leverage you are trying to say he does. The Oilers have a surplus of forwards with out him. Also they have many players who should be healthy this year and have improved performances (Smyth, York, Dvorak). To say that Comrie has ALL the leverage is IGNORANT of the fact that the Oilers have great depth at forward (opposite to your claim of poor depth). The Oilers have excellent depth at forward, and that is why Comrie will probably sit for multiple weeks.

Why would he forgo this plan to set himself up for failure?
Quite simple.. because he could end up sitting for more than 2 full seasons if he doesn't sign a contract with the Oilers. K-Lowe can force Mike to sit this season (if he can afford to or not is another question) and the impending CBA lockout might keep him out another year or two. A young player like Comrie can't afford to miss a full season of hockey, let alone two; that much time away from NHL action could severely stunt his growth as a player and his pocket cash. How much Comrie made off his rookie contract is a moot point, he had the Oilers by the neck and forced them to cave in to his demands. This time around it is Lowe's turn and I sincerely hope he doesn't bail from his hardline stance and listen to Winter's proposals.. I say keep the $1.6-$2.0 million offer on the table or trade him, regardless of how the Oilers start the season off.

The Oiler fans are certain that Comrie is going to sign for a silly amount, that being just over the rookie cap. Sure, that makes sense.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think I've seen one Oiler fan yet that says Comrie will sign for a low amount. I know many hope he will, but they know it's unrealistic. Most Oiler fans think he'll sit out or be traded.

I think maybe Lanny's just arguing something that isn't there, because I haven't heard any expectations from Oiler fans that Comrie is going to sign at all, let alone for a small amout.

What some of us will argue though, is that Lowe is completely within his rights, and doing the right thing if he doesn't want to cave in to Comrie's demands.

lol. Nobody wants Comrie, says Lowe? 'fraid not. When Lowe was trying to move up in the draft everybody wanted to do something with either Hemsky or Comrie. Comrie has no where near the leverage you are trying to say he does. The Oilers have a surplus of forwards with out him. Also they have many players who should be healthy this year and have improved performances (Smyth, York, Dvorak). To say that Comrie has ALL the leverage is IGNORANT of the fact that the Oilers have great depth at forward (opposite to your claim of poor depth). The Oilers have excellent depth at forward, and that is why Comrie will probably sit for multiple weeks.

First of all I have not said Comrie has ALL the leverage. He doesn't. Its the Oiler fans who are arguing, incorrectly, that Comrie has NO leverage (mostly because of having no arbitration rights). Both parties of have leverage they can use in this negotiation. To say otherwise is foolish.

Second, the Oilers have great depth at forward? In what way? Just because you have six guys that can play that fourth line center role doesn't mean you have depth. Where is the proven depth up front in the guys that are going to be your go-to scorers? Ryan Smyth and.... ??? Mike York is the closet thing to being a proven quantity up front. Who else? Isbister... huge question mark. Dvorak... huge question mark. Hemsky... massive question mark. Let me guess, you're counting guys like Horcoff, Reasoner, Pisani, Moreau, Laraque, Rita and Torres as more depth? Sure, they can fill space on the roster and provide the same level of play as the next guy, but that is hardly the depth you need to be successful. You need depth on the top two lines, that pushes guys like York and Isbister to the third and fourth lines, to be successful. At that point you'll have depth. Until then you've got a lot of question marks that you hope end up contributing.

If you think the Oilers are just going to hum along without Comrie you're delusional. Then again, you did argue that the Oilers are not going to miss Carter, Marchant and Niinimaa, so anything is possible in your little world. I know pretty well any team in the NHL can lose four of its top six scorers and not skip a beat. Only in Edmonton.

:rolleyes:

One more time Spin Doctors...

WHY is Comrie going to sign for less, give up a chance to exert the leverage he has and get what he wants?

If you think the Oilers are just going to hum along without Comrie you're delusional. Then again, you did argue that the Oilers are not going to miss Carter, Marchant and Niinimaa, so anything is possible in your little world. I know pretty well any team in the NHL can lose four of its top six scorers and not skip a beat. Only in Edmonton.

:rolleyes:
:lol:

I don't think they'll hum along with him either....

Thinking that the Oilers with a healthy York, Smyth, and possiblly Dvorak PLUS the improvement of Hemsky (it's not just some little whim, it's a VERy commen thinking that he'll emerge as a top liner full time). Horcoff had an excellent second half, playoffs, and WC so there is reason to think that he'll improve. Horcoff is a guy who will push for top six time. Chimera is a guy who will push for top six time. Rita has the potential (like him or not, or what ever opinion you have of him, he's a top 20 prospect) the be a top six. The Oilers have lots of reason to be optimistic. Everybody knows that Comrie will be missed offensively. Everybody knows Niinimaa will be missed, as well as Marchant to a lesser degree. But to argue that the Oilers don't have the organiztional depth is a joke. How many other teams had a guy play in 65 games, on the fourth line (for about 50 of the games) and score 15 goals? I'm sure there was a couple, although I can't think of any.

The Oiler fans are certain that Comrie is going to sign for a silly amount, that being just over the rookie cap.
I don't recall anybody saying Comrie will accept a Q.O. to play in Edmonton. In fact Oiler fans are increasingly of the view that he'll never play another game as an Oiler.

So where is the source of all this pressure to sign or trade Comrie? Gee, I don't know, the same desire that drives every team in the NHL? The desire of the Oilers to be competitive and the desire to be a playoff team? Or don't the fans want that in Edmonton? And please don't try and sell me some **** and bull story about the fans in Edmonton being extremely loyal and willing to stand behind the team through thick and thin, or we'll have to remind you of the great support the fans gave the team in the midst of its playoff drought in the 90's. Fans support a winner, plain and simple, and if the Oilers aren't willing to take the required steps to ice a winner it will only be a matter of time before support begins to dwindle. All it takes is the one domino to fall and a lot of bad things can happen (no I'm not saying it is going to, but the potential is there if you know what I mean). The pressure is there to sign a home grown player and a key contributor to the hockey club. If you say there isn't, then you're kidding yourself and probably leaving what looks to be a con-trail behind you when you walk, from all that smoke you've been blowing up your own ass.
Nobody is on Comrie's side on this one. His "hometown hero" status is gone, probably forever.

Anyway, what are the consequences if the Oilers suck this season? Missing the playoffs once before the lockout isn't going to kill the fanbase.

You were on record saying the Oilers were longshots to make the postseason, even before the Comrie situation became public. So when you say "risk the season", what are we risking here? Finishing 11th instead of 9th?

And if Comrie is such a difference-maker, how come the overall perception of his ability is so negative on this board? Wasn't your previous Comrie take that he was just a product of first-line minutes and quality linemates, same as Hemsky? When did Comrie become indispensible in your view?
As I have said repeatedly in this thread, if the sticking point is a mere $800K per season then Comrie would be signed by now. Hell, K-Lo over-paid Moreau more than that, so that argument is moot. There are substantial dollar values that are obviously standing between a deal. All the indicators are there. What is so bloody hard to believe about it? Lowe bent himself over on the first contract and that is going to be the basis for all other contracts that Comrie signs with Edmonton, and likely any other NHL team. Winter is a damn good agent (likely the best in the business) and will not give in easily.
Unfortunately for Mike, the bonuses he received last season don't form the basis of anything except his own expectations.
Why would Winter leave money on the table for his client when the loop holes for his next contract will likely be closed after the next CBA? He won't. That is not in the best interest of his client.
What "loopholes for his next contract"? There are no loopholes for his next contract. He's an RFA, he's qualified... end of discussion.

The CBA raises an interesting issue, though... If Comrie doesn't sign a contract this season, I wonder when his next paycheque is going to be? Could be years.
The best thing he can do is to sit and practice in Michigan and wait for a deal to be hammered out or force a trade a la Mike Peca.
The best thing he can do? At this point that's the only thing he can do.
I guess I should turn this whole discussion around and ask WHY is Comrie going to sign for less, give up a chance to exert the leverage he has and get what he wants? Its already been mentioned he doesn't like playing in Edmonton, so why would he sign a deal that would be in the Oiler's best interest and allow them to keep him? He could get more money, be in a city he wants to be in, and have more stability by holding out. Why would he forgo this plan to set himself up for failure?
Why should he accept less to play in Edmonton? He won't.

Why should he accept less to play somewhere else? Because nobody- not the Oilers, not the team he gets traded to- is going to give him anything close to what you believe he's hoping for. Not 4.5 million, not even 3 million with attainable bonuses.

First of all I have not said Comrie has ALL the leverage. He doesn't. Its the Oiler fans who are arguing, incorrectly, that Comrie has NO leverage (mostly because of having no arbitration rights). Both parties of have leverage they can use in this negotiation. To say otherwise is foolish.

Second, the Oilers have great depth at forward? In what way? Just because you have six guys that can play that fourth line center role doesn't mean you have depth. Where is the proven depth up front in the guys that are going to be your go-to scorers? Ryan Smyth and.... ??? Mike York is the closet thing to being a proven quantity up front. Who else? Isbister... huge question mark. Dvorak... huge question mark. Hemsky... massive question mark. Let me guess, you're counting guys like Horcoff, Reasoner, Pisani, Moreau, Laraque, Rita and Torres as more depth? Sure, they can fill space on the roster and provide the same level of play as the next guy, but that is hardly the depth you need to be successful. You need depth on the top two lines, that pushes guys like York and Isbister to the third and fourth lines, to be successful. At that point you'll have depth. Until then you've got a lot of question marks that you hope end up contributing.

If you think the Oilers are just going to hum along without Comrie you're delusional. Then again, you did argue that the Oilers are not going to miss Carter, Marchant and Niinimaa, so anything is possible in your little world. I know pretty well any team in the NHL can lose four of its top six scorers and not skip a beat. Only in Edmonton.

:rolleyes:
They were potentially replaced not lost. Only way they would be lost is if they were injured, or if the new guys contribute absolutely nothing.
Comrie will be missed, but he isn't a cog that will decimate the Oilers if missing. The Oilers will go on to play the way they do, and when Comrie is needed or traded than that is that. No point arguing how the Oilers will fair without Comrie, as the season hasn't started yet.

One more time Spin Doctors...

WHY is Comrie going to sign for less, give up a chance to exert the leverage he has and get what he wants?


I think it's probably gone beyond this now, don't you? I think a better question at this point is CAN Mike Comrie and the Oilers come together on a deal.

imo the answer is no. Comrie may not play this season. What's that kids name, Ovechkin? Hmmm. :D

FLA has no one on their roster right now with Comries offensive ability except maybe Kozlov and Jokinen. Comrie will get 60 points or mroe and plays a gritty game even for a little guy. I love it when you say that weiss will do everything that comrie will, yet FLA seems to be sending him to the minors so i wonder how that will work. Will Weiss be scoring 60 points on his days off from San antonio? If Weiss is so great defensivly why is he going to the minors then? You don't get sent to the minors to learn offense you get sent down to learn defence. So i think you sunk your argument right there.
Try addin Huselius that has the ability and Bure's been showin why Florida acquired him originally. Kristian could total those points of Comrie's if he wasn't sat half a game and in vital situations, which he thrives in, as he is a top clutch scorer on this team. Bein Keenan's whippin boy is a *****. That's what is part of Weiss' problem. Not a lack of defense, as he played against Federov most of Friday nite, and shut him down. Weiss doesn't shoot the puck enough, but has the playmakin skills. He doesn't have the size, which is why he is bein sent down. In another thread, you propose a Comrie for Krajicek and a 3rd round pick. Sounds to me a lil homerism is happening there with your overvaluing of Comrie. The kid has offensive abilities, but where was he when it came to clutch time in the playoffs?

whatever poster keeps bringing up the stefan/exelby for comrie/? brings up a good idea IMO...

Of the hundreds of Comrie trade proposals, this one is one of the very few that would benefit both teams.
Most of the proposals, are drastically overrating their own players , and undercut the other.
Personally though I would like to see Majesky considered instead of Exelby

thoughts ...

blah @ stefan
Do we really need another 3rd line center? :dunno:

I think it's probably gone beyond this now, don't you? I think a better question at this point is CAN Mike Comrie and the Oilers come together on a deal.

imo the answer is no. Comrie may not play this season. What's that kids name, Ovechkin? Hmmm. :D

Boy if we finished last next season i would cry.

If we got Ovechkin they would be tears of joy my friend! JOY! :)

Try addin Huselius that has the ability and Bure's been showin why Florida acquired him originally. Kristian could total those points of Comrie's if he wasn't sat half a game and in vital situations, which he thrives in, as he is a top clutch scorer on this team. Bein Keenan's whippin boy is a *****. That's what is part of Weiss' problem. Not a lack of defense, as he played against Federov most of Friday nite, and shut him down. Weiss doesn't shoot the puck enough, but has the playmakin skills. He doesn't have the size, which is why he is bein sent down. In another thread, you propose a Comrie for Krajicek and a 3rd round pick. Sounds to me a lil homerism is happening there with your overvaluing of Comrie. The kid has offensive abilities, but where was he when it came to clutch time in the playoffs?


Playing with a broken hand. Hey the kid has try if nothing else. I Will concur Comrie is small and that has hurt hisa defensive play as bigger players are hard for him to handle, but offensively he is a much superior player to Huselias right now. In 9 less games last year he scored 8 more points, playing hurt for 15 games or so. Florida finshed 29th in goal scoring, so offense is a big need and that is what Comrie provideds. He is 23 years old, so he will cost you something in the way of asset(s).

In 9 less games last year he scored 8 more points, playing hurt for 15 games or so. Florida finshed 29th in goal scoring, so offense is a big need and that is what Comrie provideds. He is 23 years old, so he will cost you something in the way of asset(s).

:handclap: Exactly. I find it hilarious that fans of other teams rationalize that "well, since Lowe won't be able to sign him and his trade value is lower the longer he holds out, the Oilers should just trade him away for 3rd and 4th line players and low end prospects......."

I say let the guy sit!!!! If he isn't gonna play for the Oilers, why should another team benefit from getting a quality 1st/2nd-line center without the Oilers getting anything of quality in return??? The saying goes, "you have to give to get". If you aren't willing to give, don't expect to get.

I have taken my share of heat on Comrie but I couldn't agree more with what you are saying. Lowe HAS to let him sit until a good offer comes along. Comrie IS a great young talent and if Lowe lets him go for questionable assets then it would be a black eye on the Oils org.

Comrie is worth allot, Lowe is a good enough GM to get market value for him. Let the garbage deals go away.

With the concussion problms of Deadmarsh and Allison, could anyone see Comrie going to L.A ? Perhaps for Aulin,Rosa and a pick?

With the concussion problms of Deadmarsh and Allison, could anyone see Comrie going to L.A ? Perhaps for Aulin,Rosa and a pick?

A more likely trade now is with the thrashers who will be missing Heatley for a while with his broken jaw. Heatley was the horse that carried that team, and being without him for a month could devestate their season.

At least in LA, they still have Stumpel, Palffy, Frolov and Robataille to score. A better group than Savard, Kovalchuck, Stefan and Kozlov currently.

blah @ stefan
Do we really need another 3rd line center? :dunno:

how about as 2nd line centre between countrymen dvorak and hemsky?
we can call it our czeching line.

A more likely trade now is with the thrashers who will be missing Heatley for a while with his broken jaw. Heatley was the horse that carried that team, and being without him for a month could devestate their season.

At least in LA, they still have Stumpel, Palffy, Frolov and Robataille to score. A better group than Savard, Kovalchuck, Stefan and Kozlov currently.

A (likely) non-contending team like ATL isn't going to make a blockbuster deal because a player is out for a month or two. I wouldn't think that ATL would be a good fit for Comrie just because I have a hard time seeing a Comrie/Savard combo at a teams 1st & 2nd line centers.

I also agree that Lowe has NO incentive to move Comrie for scraps. Only pressure on Lowe is if the Oilers REALLY struggle out of the gate, and if that happens it's not going to be corrected by improving the 3rd & 4th lines for the Oilers. Comrie has NO leverage, so Lowe can afford until someone comes up with value for a 23 YO 30 goal scorer.

With the concussion problms of Deadmarsh and Allison, could anyone see Comrie going to L.A ? Perhaps for Aulin,Rosa and a pick?
Another stellar offer for the Oil to ponder....which is the gem of this crop....could it be the late blooming 2nd round questionable bust 26 year old? How about the guy that is out for 5 months with shoulder surgery? I guess the payoff is the 4th rounder. OK where do I sign up? :rolleyes:

I could definitely see that Chicago - Edmonton deal going down. However, if I was an Oil fan I'd be very dissapointed to receive Tyler Arnason in return.

Chicago has a very weak roster this year in my opinion, add Mike Comrie and he makes them a much better team.

I would think Kyle Calder and Mark Bell would be two guys that the Oilers would be interested in.