Randy Youngman Article: Interview with Kariya and Bryan Murray

http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=59286&section=SPORTS&subsection=SPORTS&year=2003&month=9&day=29

For those of you who aren't registered, here are some of the lines that stick out in my mind:

In essence, the Ducks had cut loose their team captain, franchise player, leading scorer and most popular player in team history just three weeks after he had helped lead them to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals...

It apparently rankles Kariya when people ask why he wouldn't take less to sign with the Ducks. Or when Murray is quoted as saying he could have signed Sergei Fedorov and Kariya if Paul had accepted $1.2 million from Anaheim. But that's not the point...

As for the negative fan reaction to his departure, Kariya says he has a "thick skin." I told him about the many e-mails I have received from angry fans and about the guy who showed up at The Pond last week wearing a Kariya jersey with the word "Traitorous Rat" sewn in above the No. 9. That made him laugh. Long and loud...

I also told him some fans felt betrayed because he stood at the Ducks' championship rally at The Pond and declared, "Same time next year."

He looked me straight in the eye and said on that day he hadn't even thought about the possibility of leaving Anaheim.

So the bottom line is, if the Ducks qualify you ... .

"I'm still there," Kariya said, finishing my sentence...
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Is It just me, or does this Youngman fellow sound like the 3rd partner of a relationship with Kariya & Selanne?

Yeah. For 10 million, he's still here. What a sweetheart.

Of course he would still be here. He would have no choice.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing about that A-hole. For the Register to put it as the top headline on the Sports page is an utter joke.

I'm sure he didn't lie when he said "Same time next year" at the time he said it. What makes me angry is, he took the first, the very first opportunity to leave after years of promising "I'll win the cup with the Ducks"...

Randy Youngman is just a shill for Kariya. That is the biggest piece of gag-inducing, PR fluff I've read in a long time.

If what BM has said ("inferences later made by the Ducks,") about PK being well aware of the Ducks' plans and PK even suggesting that TS was a player he (PK) could talk to about coming to the Ducks, was not true, then why doesn't the article just flat out say, "Kariya denies ever speaking to the Ducks about the possibility of taking a pay cut." Instead he says, "Kariya was stunned he didn't receive a qualifying offer." Was he "stunned" because it was out of the blue, or "stunned" because the Ducks actually had the guts not to keep paying him the ridiculous $10M/yr?

And yeah, maybe PK honestly didn't think about leaving the Ducks the day of the WC championship rally. He probably thought about it a lot, just not on *that* particular day.

PK can say all he wants about going to COL and playing open-ended hockey with his best friends TS and JS, and about it being a "hockey decision" (I guess signing for below the league average was not a money decision?) Fine, and more power to him. If it were only that, I could accept what he says now. It's the loyal Anaheim captain, good soldier image he and the media built up and then his doing an about face and signing for $1.2M with COL that pisses me off. Because stupid me, I bought in all and even defended him to non-Kariya fans.

If going to COL was a "hockey decision," then staying and suffering in the hockey wasteland that was Anaheim for the past nine years was a "money decision," pure and simple. The price tag for PK's loyalty to the Ducks was $10M/yr. The minute that was taken off the table (12:00 am on 7/1/03 to be precise), he bolted straight to COL.

Randy Youngman trashed the Ducks for firing Chris Madsen. He trashed the Ducks for hiring Mike Babcock. He trashed the Ducks for pretty much everything. Then came the playoffs and he jumped on the bandwagon. He started to praise the Ducks and the work done by Bryan Murray/MIke Babcock. Now back comes the trash. Everyone knows Youngman is a major ****** bag. I don't even know why the guy has a job? Is he holding revealing photos of the sports editor with a sheep? Please someone enlighten me.

Randy Youngman trashed the Ducks for firing Chris Madsen. He trashed the Ducks for hiring Mike Babcock. He trashed the Ducks for pretty much everything. Then came the playoffs and he jumped on the bandwagon. He started to praise the Ducks and the work done by Bryan Murray/MIke Babcock. Now back comes the trash. Everyone knows Youngman is a major ****** bag. I don't even know why the guy has a job? Is he holding revealing photos of the sports editor with a sheep? Please someone enlighten me.

agreed, he didn't ask the biggest question...

why weren't you willing to take a paycut for the ducks? why didn't you try harder to sign with them?

I pretty much agree with all you guys here...of course if BM gave him the 10 mill he would still be here but is he?..nope...so we just move on forget about it and hope we win it with out him..

It apparently rankles Kariya when people ask why he wouldn't take less to sign with the Ducks. Or when Murray is quoted as saying he could have signed Sergei Fedorov and Kariya if Paul had accepted $1.2 million from Anaheim. But that's not the point...


Well Paulie, you might want to try to pay attention to that "rankled"ness and figure out what it's about. Maybe because it's a very good point, and you feel guilty as hell.

Randy Youngman trashed the Ducks for firing Chris Madsen.

Shoot, I'd like to take whoever fired him out to dinner.

ok i just emailed mr youngman. i sent him the link to this thread, and asked him to join us. sorry, don't kill me. i just really want him to see the other side, and see what the REAL fans of the ducks think. i was real nice so hopefully he'll get over here. that article nneds some 'splanin. i'm sure he'll just tuck tail, but it's worth itif we get him here so he sees how much hes kissin pauls well used ass.

Why in the Hell is Youngman doing an interview with PK in Vegas - instead of covering the Ducks in San Jose?
As for Pauli - Who cares - The only regret we should have is that we overpaid that sucker by 8.8 Mil the last few years.

Youngman's a hack.....take everything he says with a grain of salt-especially when it comes to hockey. I dont think he likes the game itself, I know for sure he hates fighting, and every year I have to send him one or two email to correct his facts.

Case is point....he referred to Dan Bylsma as the Ducks enforcer. Nuff said.

well you long timers.. JL/Boogs/Frink know i like Kariya so i gotta stick up for him here..
we don't know the "true" side of the stories..
He could say one thing, BM could say one thing, and Babcock could say another...
Rucchin was interviewed and said he was shocked and it was news to him...
i'm pissed Kariya left, but i'm not going to hate him.. he probably did mean when he said Same Time Next Year.. He probably thought that he was going to be signed again with the Ducks.. I also thought that he should've have taken at least somewhat of a pay cut.. Kariya said he wanted Selanne back with the team and said BM didn't want that... BM says that he offered Selanne... oh well..
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Though he said it, I have this strange feeling Kariya expected not to receive a qualifier. He had to know J-S and Sykora were also without contracts, and needed raises, and that Disney didn't want to raise the budget by much. And since he wanted Selanne to come to Anaheim, I don't think he would've expected Teemu to sign for Oates' $3.5 million. Probably didn't happen, but you never know....

The piece is definitely as useless as it gets. A complete fluff piece. I for one don't hate Kariya.

I've never been a huge fan of his, but I wouldn't go to the extreme that others have gone in their distaste for him, though its understandable. He didn't show much loyalty to the Ducks. The Ducks have shown loyalty to him in the past, but only because they had to. If they didn't sign Kariya to the contract he got out of, the public outcry would have been massive. I don't really see either side as being any better off than the other. The relationship between the Ducks and Kariya has always been one of business. Now both sides played their part in the severing of the relationship, and ever so briefly, the fans got screwed over. I sorta see it as the last kick in the teeth for old-timer Ducks fans by the old management. You definitely can't blame Murray for not qualifying him at that price. Perhaps you can blame Kariya for not coming back to Anaheim for what he signed for in Colorado, but like mentioned previously, we haven't seen everything thats gone on behind the scenes. The bottom line is, the relationship is over, and both sides appear to be better off for it.

That may be your bottom line. Good for you. He claimed loyalty and then acted contrary to it. That, IMO, is worth getting and being upset over, even in today's me first culture.

well you long timers.. JL/Boogs/Frink know i like Kariya so i gotta stick up for him here..
we don't know the "true" side of the stories..
He could say one thing, BM could say one thing, and Babcock could say another...
Rucchin was interviewed and said he was shocked and it was news to him...
i'm pissed Kariya left, but i'm not going to hate him.. he probably did mean when he said Same Time Next Year.. He probably thought that he was going to be signed again with the Ducks.. I also thought that he should've have taken at least somewhat of a pay cut.. Kariya said he wanted Selanne back with the team and said BM didn't want that... BM says that he offered Selanne... oh well..
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BM has said many times Paul and himself had discussions about a paycut during the season Paul implied he was for it and would do it. Strike one against paul.

Paul totally stinks the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and does nothing to play like he is capable of(we all know paul has the ability to take over a game) Strike two

Paul and Teemu tell BM that they are going to sign and the contracts were in fact drawn up to sign...on July 2nd without Hesitating Paul signs with Colorado and blatantly lie to BM...Strike three.

If Paul had "really" wanted to stay then why did he immediatly sign with the Avs?can anyone explain that? The people who defend Pauls actions fail to see the facts here BM has hinted and has gone on record to saying that there was an agreement in place....Is anyone here going to accuse BM of lying?I believe him with the quotes like "We don't want anymore Perimeter players" and "had paul signed with us for 1.2 we still could have signed Fedorov"

Soya im gonna ask you who you think is lying...is it paul or Bryan Murray? Obviously someone is. and I don't think its our GM.

That may be your bottom line. Good for you. He claimed loyalty and then acted contrary to it. That, IMO, is worth getting and being upset over, even in today's me first culture.
Exactly, its MY bottom line. I said it was understandable to have distaste for him, even though personally I didn't. Never said you had to agree with me.

That's true. I just know that anything involving Teemu Selanne even peripherally tends to divorce you from reality.

If Paul had "really" wanted to stay then why did he immediatly sign with the Avs?can anyone explain that? The people who defend Pauls actions fail to see the facts here BM has hinted and has gone on record to saying that there was an agreement in place....Is anyone here going to accuse BM of lying?I believe him with the quotes like "We don't want anymore Perimeter players" and "had paul signed with us for 1.2 we still could have signed Fedorov"

Just to be clear, I don't think BM has ever gone on record as saying there was an agreement. He said in an interview on 690 that PK never reneged on a deal (I don't know if he meant verbal or written). But as you say, there have been various articles where BM said that he had discussions with PK and PK had even gone as far as suggesting that TS could be one player he (PK) could talk to about coming to the Ducks.

So even if there had been no verbal or written agreement, this suggests to me that PK gave BM the impression that he would be willing to take a pay cut. It sounds to me like PK purposely mislead BM. Youngman says in his article that contrary to these type of reports, PK was "stunned" that he wasn't qualified. But as I said before the Youngman article does not explicitly say that PK *never* discussed the possibility of taking a paycut, just that he was "stunned."

But also, it seems like once PK was a UFA, he had no intention of resigning with the Ducks. He said in another article (Denver Post?) that if the deal didn't go through with the Avs, the package deal would have been offered to Detroit next. And in an Edmonton Journal article, Lacroix said Baizley kept calling for 30 hours on 7/1, and kept lowering the price of the package because Lacroix said the package deal would have to fit w/in the Avs budget ($7M was the magic number I guess). During all this time, I don't think Baizley ever talked to BM. IIRC, BM said by the time Baizley returned BM's call (re: an offer from the Ducks), the Avs were a done deal.

PK said the bears no animosity towards the Ducks, but then what was going on? He made his decision to leave within an hour of not being qualified and never gave the Ducks the chance to make an offer. Why wouldn't he at least listen to what BM had to offer?

PK said he bears no animosity towards the Ducks, but then what was going on? He made his decision to leave within an hour of not being qualified and never gave the Ducks the chance to make an offer. Why wouldn't he at least listen to what BM had to offer?

Because he didn't want to play defense anymore. He missed the days of just simply scoring w/o a defensive conscience. If he were to stay in Anaheim, he'd have to suck up and play defense all over again. I suppose, once the Ducks didn't qualify him, then the Ducks org cannot say what's right nor wrong in his doing from a business aspect. From a fan's perspective, unless we get the whole truth, PK left us at a shotgun wedding in vegas... an unwritten mutual agreement that he'd have to take a paycut b/c he wasn't worth the $10 mil and bring more talent in from that pay cut was left unfulfilled. LoL

I'm not mad at Paul leaving... i'm just aggrevated at the way he left. very deceiving and un-captainesque. is that a word?

Cant we get back to bashing Youngman?

Just to be clear, I don't think BM has ever gone on record as saying there was an agreement. He said in an interview on 690 that PK never reneged on a deal (I don't know if he meant verbal or written). But as you say, there have been various articles where BM said that he had discussions with PK and PK had even gone as far as suggesting that TS could be one player he (PK) could talk to about coming to the Ducks.

Murray actually came out and said his opening offer to the both of them was going to be $5M each.

Just to be clear, I don't think BM has ever gone on record as saying there was an agreement. He said in an interview on 690 that PK never reneged on a deal (I don't know if he meant verbal or written). But as you say, there have been various articles where BM said that he had discussions with PK and PK had even gone as far as suggesting that TS could be one player he (PK) could talk to about coming to the Ducks.

Murray said something along the lines of "I was of the understanding that there was an agreement in place." and i was paraphrasing that now if you choose to believe what the Booster club was told by Mike Babcock then it coincides with this quote because Mike did tell them both of them(kariya and Selanne) had agreed to sign. but the Bottom line for me is that why do some people not see this guy for what he is?Is it any coincidence to anyone here that Paul had 3 10+ game goalless droughts, sucked in the playoffs and did everything he could do to basically give games away? I think Paul tanked it weather its on purpose or not who knows But its obvious to me he wanted nothing to do with this team.

Cant we get back to bashing Youngman?

Yes, but unfortunately Youngman got his head stuck so far up Kariya's azz that it is impossible to distinguish the two.

If you lie down with dogs, you come up with fleas.

Theres a follow up article in the OC Register today about Murray's response to the Kariya article...

Everything Murray said makes more sense to me...It's hard not to take his side...It really seems like Kariya is lying for some reason.

Traitorious Rat EXPOSED! Its about time.


ANAHEIM – Mighty Ducks general manager Bryan Murray makes it clear he doesn't want to get into a war of words with former Ducks captain Paul Kariya.

Murray says he always had a good working relationship with Kariya, first as his coach then as GM, and that he respected Kariya's decision to sign with the Colorado Avalanche after the Ducks made him an unrestricted free agent by declining to make the minimum qualifying offer by July 1.

But Murray was puzzled by a few comments made by Kariya in this space Monday, so he wanted to set the record straight about conversations he had with Kariya - and with Don Baizley, Kariya's agent - in the weeks leading to the departure of the leading scorer in franchise history.

"When we didn't qualify him, Paul was free to make any decision he wanted to make," Murray said Friday during the Ducks-Kings exhibition game at The Pond. "I understood that."

What Murray didn't understand was Kariya telling me he was "surprised, for sure" by the Ducks' decision not to make him a $10 million qualifying offer. That's because Murray said he had told player and agent his plan to bring back Kariya at a reduced salary and use the money saved to try to sign free agent Teemu Selanne, Kariya's former linemate and longtime friend.

Murray wasn't allowed to use Selanne's name at the time, because Teemu didn't become an unrestricted free agent until July 1, but all parties knew that was Anaheim's primary offseason target. Conveniently, Baizley also represents Selanne.

Read the rest here if you can loggin:

http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=60277&section=SPORTS&subsection=SPORTS_COLUMNS&year=2003&month=10&day=5

"I talked to Paul about that and said, 'Are you OK with this, Paul?' And he said, 'Bryan, I've made a lot of money over the last few years.' And I said (jokingly), 'You mean the $50 million you've made over the last five years covers you?' And he said, 'It's not about the money with me. I want to win a Stanley Cup.

"And I said, 'I do, too. And what I'd like to do ... I'm not going to qualify you at $10 million. There are reasons for and against doing it. But I'll try to get your buddy here, too.' We had talked about Teemu before. And he said, 'I understand, I understand.'"

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Kariya is a lying *******. And the proof is in the pudding.

But the article shows what kind of classy guy Bryan Murray is at the end of the article defending Kariya and leaving his options open if Kariya ever wants to come back. I wouldn't have been so forgiving and generous.

"I hope he comes back (someday)," Murray said.
please not

The sad part is that there are some fans who would welcome Kariya back after what he did. Personally, I can never forgive Kariya for what he did and will always hate him until the end of time. But that is just me...

The sad part is that there are some fans who would welcome Kariya back after what he did. Personally, I can never forgive Kariya for what he did and will always hate him until the end of time. But that is just me...
The sad part is, that Murray wants him back. Perhapes he isn't long enough part of the organization to understand what Kariya did to the fans.

The sad part is, that Murray wants him back. Perhapes he isn't long enough part of the organization to understand what Kariya did to the fans.

He knows. I think it speaks more about Murray's character than anything else for him to not hold a grudge against Kariya....even after having to set the story straight because of Kariya's lies.

He knows. I think it speaks more about Murray's character than anything else for him to not hold a grudge against Kariya....even after having to set the story straight because of Kariya's lies.


I think Murray's just being polite and taking the high road to avoid further controversy. He has to realise that the vast majority of Duck fans cannot stand Mr. Loyalty and have no desire to have him come back.

But if Brian Murray said that, the press would jump all over it and the story would never die.

I think Murray's just being polite and taking the high road to avoid further controversy. He has to realise that the vast majority of Duck fans cannot stand Mr. Loyalty and have no desire to have him come back.

But if Brian Murray said that, the press would jump all over it and the story would never die.

Kariya felt that Colorado offers a better opportunity to win the cup, that's what it comes down to really.

Kariya felt that Colorado offers a better opportunity to win the cup, that's what it comes down to really.


No, what it truly comes down to is Mr. Loyalty not enjoying being asked to backcheck. His loss is our gain, we are a much stronger team without the liar on it.

Kariya felt that Colorado offers a better opportunity to win the cup, that's what it comes down to really.
It comes down to money. He wanted to be able to make as much as he could uner the new CBA, and the best way to do that was to rack up the numbers. He has a better chance of that in the chaotic Colorado system than in ours.

It comes down to money. He wanted to be able to make as much as he could uner the new CBA, and the best way to do that was to rack up the numbers. He has a better chance of that in the chaotic Colorado system than in ours.


He'll never get a chance at ten million again. He did it so he could be a rent-a-player for the rest of his career. He wants to be a UFA again.

It's not about money because the hit he takes this season (by taking 1.2 million) is so substantial he losses money in the end.

He'll never get a chance at ten million again. He did it so he could be a rent-a-player for the rest of his career. He wants to be a UFA again.

It's not about money because the hit he takes this season (by taking 1.2 million) is so substantial he losses money in the end.

Not really. Let's say the four years at $6 million (that Murray offered) was the best thing on the table. Let's say he has a career year beside Sakic, hits UFAdom, and gets a three year deal at $8 million per. Over the course of four years, he makes $1.2 million more in the latter situation. That's a decent gamble to make - and the number might easily be well north of $8 million, if he does really well. He just wants to sign a contract with no CBA uncertainty.

Murray said he would had given a verbal promise to Kariya and alllow him to become a UFA next summer if he choose to. Its not about UFA status. Its about cash. Kariya thinks he can rack up 100 pts in Colorado and make bank next season. He didn't care about the Ducks and he didn't care for Babcock's defensive system that got us to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup. He didn't care about the loyalty the fans and the Disney organization have given him the past 9 years. He only thought about himself and we don't want a self-fish liar on this team. The guy needs to come clean and admit what he did. Maybe people can forgive him afterwards. But until then, most fans will only see the guy as a total A-hole.

Murray said he would had given a verbal promise to Kariya and alllow him to become a UFA next summer if he choose to. Its not about UFA status. Its about cash. Kariya thinks he can rack up 100 pts in Colorado and make bank next season. He didn't care about the Ducks and he didn't care for Babcock's defensive system that got us to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup. He didn't care about the loyalty the fans and the Disney organization have given him the past 9 years. He only thought about himself and we don't want a self-fish liar on this team. The guy needs to come clean and admit what he did. Maybe people can forgive him afterwards. But until then, most fans will only see the guy as a total A-hole.

That's just the thing, most fans won't see the guy as a total A-hole. Most believe he did it to play with Teemu and win a cup. They refuse to believe that he did it for money, considering the $1.2 he signed for. Somedays I think only us Duck fans see him as the A-hole he is.

As for his money issues, he didn't take a major hit. He's going to make $11.2 over two years, or an average of $5.6 million per year. If he can put up 100 points and force the Avs(after Foppa leaves) or some other team to sign him for $9-10 million, it makes him cash in more.

So before anyone thinks its not about money for him, look what he's about to do in the long run.

He'll never get a chance at ten million again. He did it so he could be a rent-a-player for the rest of his career. He wants to be a UFA again.

It's not about money because the hit he takes this season (by taking 1.2 million) is so substantial he losses money in the end.
And rent-a-players, the ones who score, make the most money. If you get a new contract every season, you'll make a ton more than if you sign long-term, provided you stay healthy.

He set himself up to make as much of a killing as he could. Its a money decision.

I'm a Ducks fan first and a Kariya fan 2nd. He made his decision for himself and unfortunately thats what sports has come down to. There is not much loyalty in sports anymore as most of it is for the name on the back or the 0s on the paycheck. Kariya did what was best for him as he thinks the Avs have a better chance at the cup and is looking for a big payday next offseason. What he did was smart from a buisness decision for himself by not being restrained next season and can go to the highest bidder once a new CBA is hammered out whenever that is. I hate what Kariya did to the Ducks as more facts come out. I hate that my (former) favorite player no longer plays for my favorite player. However, I don't think Duck fans like myself who will continue to like Kariya (not as much as before this offseason) should be looked down on or not looked at as real Duck fans for liking Paul. Kariya is an a-hole for this, but I'll still like him as a player for how he plays. I wont mind him coming back one day but if he never comes back then I hope he doesnt get his cup. The only way I'll be happy for Kariya winning a cup if he is in an Anaheim uniform. If this had been a situation like Bourque where the organization let him walk to follow his dreams then I would root for him to win his cup, but I wont unless he comes back to Anaheim. I just hope that I'm not looked down upon or chastised for still being a fan of Paul Kariya while being a Duck fan at the same time.

I'm looking down!

I don't think it's that far fetched to believe that Kariya sat down with Selanne and said "where to next?" They decide they want to go to a contender and they look around for the best options. Colorado plays a system they like, to wrack up points yes, and they have a solid supporting cast and a management that wants to win. They look at Colorado's financial situation along with the upcoming CBA negotiations and say "alright, we want to play for them but we are going to have to take a pay cut to get there." They decide who gets what and make the proposal, Lacroix signs them.

Yes, after this year if they wrack up big points as expected they will get a big pay day if things are even remotely similar to what they are today after the new CBA is done. Of course there is the possibility that with the new CBA things will have changed and despite doing well they make less money than they would have had they gone for the highest bidder this year. Anyhow, I don't believe money was the sole reason for the move. Kariya and Selanne both command a large salary, and if they went to the highest bidder they would have made a significant amount of money this year. Kariya obviously said some things that don't make sense, and honestly I've heard that he's a bit of a jerk many times before, so maybe he lied. Still I don't think it is a black and white case of "Oh well, Kariya lied and lied and then he left and it's all about money, end of story." I think there is more to it than that. jmho

I don't think it's that far fetched to believe that Kariya sat down with Selanne and said "where to next?" They decide they want to go to a contender and they look around for the best options. Colorado plays a system they like, to wrack up points yes, and they have a solid supporting cast and a management that wants to win. They look at Colorado's financial situation along with the upcoming CBA negotiations and say "alright, we want to play for them but we are going to have to take a pay cut to get there." They decide who gets what and make the proposal, Lacroix signs them.



All rationalizations for a liar. They'd have gotten their points here; they always did. Ther's a solid supporting cast here, management that wants to win, a group of prospects, and a top 3 goaltender. They'd have had to take less of a paycut here.

Everything is the same, except that if Kariya had signed for the money we offered, he would still have been an RFA. Less cash to be made.

The sad part is, that Murray wants him back. Perhapes he isn't long enough part of the organization to understand what Kariya did to the fans.
I think Murray is trying not to burn his bridges with Kariya or his agent Don Baizley in case he ever works with one or the other again.

This now confirms Kariya is a flatout liar theres countless things he did over the summer that proves tis.

All rationalizations for a liar. They'd have gotten their points here; they always did. Ther's a solid supporting cast here, management that wants to win, a group of prospects, and a top 3 goaltender. They'd have had to take less of a paycut here.

Everything is the same, except that if Kariya had signed for the money we offered, he would still have been an RFA. Less cash to be made.

Or perhaps only seemingly irrational ideas for disappointed Anaheim fans. I can't say I blame you, but if you're trying to say that Anaheim offered a better opportunity for Kariya and Selanne than Colorado... well I agree to disagree.

...without actually offering anything substantive to back it up. Shocking.