The Clash vs. The Velvet Underground

tom_servo
09-29-2003, 08:42 AM
Which band mattered most? Which had more influence? Which did you like more?

Weigh these considerations, and vote.

Ric Flair
09-29-2003, 08:43 AM
Velvet Underground

GB
09-29-2003, 08:47 AM
I love The Clash but The Velvet Underground are my favourite band by an emnarrising amount.

Liam

tom_servo
09-29-2003, 08:50 AM
Gotta agree with you two. VU for me. They're constantly cited as influences, and their songs are oft-covered. They had a big influence on the sound of bands like Sonic Youth, and the Seattle scene.

Belgian Fan
09-29-2003, 09:05 AM
VU, almost everyone that came after VU was influenced, either lyrically or musically.

And that's not a knack on the Clash who've been hugely influential as well!

GB
09-29-2003, 09:11 AM
This is a little like comparing Gretzky to Esposito. Gretzky will win, but it doesn't make Esposito poor. I love The Clash and feel they produced some of the greatest music covering a wide number of genres, but they just can't compare.

Liam

David A. Rainer
09-29-2003, 10:27 AM
Velvet Underground

BTW - Are the 101ers the greatest rock band that no one has heard of?

Moose Head
09-29-2003, 10:34 AM
The Clash

Epoch
09-29-2003, 10:51 AM
the Clash.

GB
09-29-2003, 11:38 AM
Velvet Underground

BTW - Are the 101ers the greatest rock band that no one has heard of?
No, because they weren't great (just good) and I've heard of them. So there

willie
09-29-2003, 12:04 PM
Velvet Underground. Easily.

Koltsov71
09-29-2003, 12:10 PM
The Clash

Histrion
09-29-2003, 12:22 PM
The Velvet Underground!

'cuz it makes me feel like I'm a man, when I put a spike into my vein!

Lowetide
09-29-2003, 12:55 PM
I don't know what it meant by "mattered most", but I'll throw in my two cents.

The Velvet Underground were done before they started, or at least before they had real fame. They exist as a legend, like Bruce Lee. Someone like Gram Parsons for instance, had tremendous influence while he was alive, with the Underground their influence was after they broke up. Their music, while interesting, doesn't really stand the test of time. imo, they're NYC's version of the Motor City 5 (whose "Human Being Lawnmower" is stellar).

The Clash were at the front of the line in their revolution because they had two things the Sex Pistols lacked: musical talent, and something to say.

The first album, although uneven, was wonderful punk rock. About as much bite as rock music can manage (unless Bob Dylan is your lyric writer) with alot of swagger.

The second album, Give 'Em Enough Rope, was more record company than the band.

London Calling was a watershed. I haven't listened to the album in a decade and can still sing Jimmy Jazz, Guns of Brixton, Death or Glory and London Calling. The way the album was recorded made the album special, the way Machine Head by Deep Purple sounds right even with all the hum. Great, great rock record.

After that, it seemed like a haze of drugs and much ado about nothing. Remember their movie? On it, Joe Strummer plays the most stunning version of Stagger Lee I've ever heard. Very compelling.

I'd say Clash.

canucksfan
09-29-2003, 01:03 PM
Clash

David A. Rainer
09-29-2003, 01:09 PM
No, because they weren't great (just good) and I've heard of them. So there

Well... you don't count. ;)

A friend of mine has an old vinyl of them. Very energetic and raw. I loved it.

BROADSTREETBULLY
09-29-2003, 02:18 PM
..ok :rolleyes: Rancid vs. The Strokes.... :D

Raskolnikov76
09-29-2003, 03:13 PM
I voted The Clash, because it's one my favorite band.. and i know them better than VU.

I just love how The Clash integrated black music with punk.

And i love Rancid too (can't wait to see them in november)


when they kick at your front door
how you're gonna come?
with your hands on your head
or on the trigger of your gun?

ohhh ohhh guns of brixton.

tom_servo
09-29-2003, 03:17 PM
Yeah, Guns of Brixton is one of my all-time favorites.

Dr Seldon
09-29-2003, 03:35 PM
The Clash. Quite simply made better music.

monkey_00*
09-29-2003, 03:45 PM
The Clash

tom_servo
09-30-2003, 06:09 AM
The Clash came from behind in a big way.

Joe T Choker
09-30-2003, 06:31 AM
The Clash

The new groups are not concerned
With what there is to be learned
They got Burton suits, ha you think it's funny
Turning rebellion into money

Legionnaire
09-30-2003, 08:56 AM
The Clash
The Velvet Underground were more influential simply because they influenced the Clash and their contemporaries, but other than that the Clash wins in every catagory.

GB
09-30-2003, 09:12 AM
The Clash

The new groups are not concerned
With what there is to be learned
They got Burton suits, ha you think it's funny
Turning rebellion into money
White Man in Hammersmith Palais is one of the greatest singles ever IMO

David A. Rainer
09-30-2003, 09:33 AM
The Clash came from behind in a big way.

It was 8-4 VU at one point. The Clash comes back with an 18-1 run.