Canuck prospects busts?

Besides Mojzis, King and Kesler there seems to be no other decent prospects for the future. Fedorov, N. Smith, Vydarney and Umberger (is he really that good?) seem to be big busts that will never make the big club. The Canucks scouting dept. seems to draft better in the later rounds each year. No wonder Burke likes to trade 2nd round draft picks quite a bit. I hope Mojzis makes the club next year because the Canucks need an influx of young talent for the coming years and it is also nice to have some young blood in the lineup as well.

Fedorov isn't a bust...yet.

Nathan Smith is the closest thing to a bust.

Umberger hasn't even signed, so how can you call him a bust?

Reid isn't on that list of decent prospects.

Vydarney is the best skating player in the Canucks organization, hardly a bust yet.

You're forgetting Alex Auld who will be a #1 goalie in this league.

hello Kirill Koltsov? He sure as hell isn't a bust yet

I'd just like to say,

Umberger, while he is having contract problems, has had not many problems on the ice. He was 3rd in his NCAA division in points, and was a Hobey Baker canidate. He looks like a bluechipper.

Also, one successful year in the AHL could turn the fortunes around for just about any prospect. Don't write off Smith & Fedorov just because they haven't shown much yet. Yeah, they aren't great prospects, but either was Pavol Demitra back in 'the day'.

If I had to pick a bust I would say Nathan Smith

Depends on how you define 'busts'. My definition would be a player who has established he will not make the NHL. To me the call on some you mentioned, such as FF and Reid, is too early. Guys I would put in the bust category would be N. Smith, Bouck, Komarniski, Neilsen, Schultz, Obsut, Justin Morrison and Kavanagh. I think all these players have established they will not play in the NHL. Others such as like Jokela, Vydarney and Grenier are nearing that category but Iwouldn't put them there yet.

I fail to see how Brandon Reid, a 7th round pick, can be a "bust"

Wow.
You canucks' fans are too critical of your prospects.

I don't know much about Vydarny or Smith, so I can't comment about them.

Of all, the only one I can see becoming a complete bust is Fedorov and that's only if he doesn't get his head together. Once he does, he could be that second line RW that you guys have been crying about all summer.

Umberger from what I saw of him reminds me of Brendan Morrison sans the defensive ability instead of a "less skilled Todd Bertuzzi" like the reports say. He'll be a player in the NHL one of these days. Maybe not with the canucks, but he definately will be a good player.

Reid? How can a guy like him be a bust? Reid was a 7th rounder as some here have already stated. If he were 5'11" or 6'0" he would have been a 2nd or 3rd rounder that year.
He'll probably turn into a speedy checking center in the NHL or he could turn into the next Daniel Briere. Either way, that's not bad at all for a very small 7th round draft pick.

The canucks' future doesn't look bad. Not great, but not bad. They've got a lot of players who could be very good role-players in the league and a few others that could be impact players (Umberger, Auld, Koltsov).

Have a little patience with them and don't get depressed because the canucks don't have as many good prospects as Florida.

If I had to pick a bust I would say Nathan Smith


Geez ! ! Why is everyone so down on Nathan Smith ? Even those who aren't down on him write him off as a 4th liner at best which is just dumb. This is a guy with excellent defensive skills, and also someone who got lots of points in junior. ( 150 pts in his last 2 seasons in 114 games ) Let's excercise a little patience here. This guy has played just over a half of one season as a pro and most of that was recovering from a broken jaw. By all reports he was very good for the Moose in the playoffs.

All you "experts" who like to write off young prospects should realize that you have to be a little patient. Many players over the years have taken a while to blossom. Come back and criticize guys like Nathan Smith after they have had a couple of full seasons in the minors.

Depends on how you define 'busts'. My definition would be a player who has established he will not make the NHL. To me the call on some you mentioned, such as FF and Reid, is too early. Guys I would put in the bust category would be N. Smith, Bouck, Komarniski, Neilsen, Schultz, Obsut, Justin Morrison and Kavanagh. I think all these players have established they will not play in the NHL. Others such as like Jokela, Vydarney and Grenier are nearing that category but Iwouldn't put them there yet.

He isn't with the team anymore but I considered Josh Holden to be the biggest bust in recent years for the Canucks.

That Allen is a bust , wasn't he drafted in '98 ? :joker:

How have you managed to avoid getting banned? I have yet to read ONE Canuck board post from you that doesn't trash the Canucks. And all of these posts are one-liners like "Bertuzzi will be traded", "Allen is a bust". You are not even amusing, just a time-waster.

Ahhh remember the 2001 playoffs ? :joker:

Gee I don't know, why would you get banned? :dunno:

You want me banned because you can't handle arhuing with me huh ? Or is it because I have my opinions about the Vancouver Cannots ?

Do you remember the 2001 playoff series between The Mighty Avs & Cannots ? :joker:

Argue what? You haven't said anything.

I am however certainly going to cry myself to sleep now that you have made me remember a playoff series from two and a half years ago...

Quite the burn...

It wasn't meant to be a burn , it was to refresh your memory . Are you one of those Canuck fans that actually think they will win the division or a shot at the cup ? :joker:

Are the Sedin girls actually gonna look like 2nd and 3rd overall picks this season ? :joker:

Them girls are jokes .

Refresh my memory? Am I senile?

You are trying to be an a$$hole, and succeeding. Congrats.

Depends on how you define 'busts'. My definition would be a player who has established he will not make the NHL. To me the call on some you mentioned, such as FF and Reid, is too early. Guys I would put in the bust category would be N. Smith, Bouck, Komarniski, Neilsen, Schultz, Obsut, Justin Morrison and Kavanagh. I think all these players have established they will not play in the NHL. Others such as like Jokela, Vydarney and Grenier are nearing that category but Iwouldn't put them there yet.

orca, yet another post dismissing prospects completely...N. Smith a bust after 1 pro season? I don't like his game either, but he is not a bust yet. Few players make the jump after one pro season, and the "grinders" (which Smith certainly is) often take longer to make it. And Shultz? After ONE pro camp? I just don't understand your reasoning...

The only reason I started this thread was that the Canucks and their fans keep talking about their great prospects and how much depth they have on their farm team. I am a HOCKEY fan and I like watching the Canucks but I also realise that their prospects are not as great or up and coming as alot of people say. I see alot more talented youngsters on other teams and I think the Canucks only have one prospect in the top 50 in the NHL's top prospect list. I did NOT say once that Reid was a bust! I mainly said N. Smith, Vydarney, Bouck and Fedorov are the main busts. Yes Auld, Mojzis, Kesler and King have a shot one day to play in the NHL. Umberger is just a head case. I just hope the Canucks draft some talent and not just character in the upcoming drafts to one day replace Bertuzzi and Naslund when they are gone.

You want me banned because you can't handle arhuing with me huh ? Or is it because I have my opinions about the Vancouver Cannots ?


I find your intelligence and character to be of questionable quality.

No...we want you banned because you're a complete ****tard who was obviously born with his umbilical cord wrapped around his neck. Go drown yourself in the dumpster behind an abortion clinic, you pathetic bandwagoning sack of shït.


i think he is obviously naive, but i don't think the language you are using is appropriate.

No...we want you banned because you're a complete ****tard who was obviously born with his umbilical cord wrapped around his neck. Go drown yourself in the dumpster behind an abortion clinic, you pathetic bandwagoning sack of shït.

Thats more likely to get you banned then him. :teach:

i think he is obviously naive, but i don't think the language you are using is appropriate.

That's for sure. Apologies if I offended anyone other than the intended recipient.

Thats more likely to get you banned then him. :teach:

No doubt. See you guys later :)

That's for sure. Apologies if I offended anyone other than the intended recipient.



No doubt. See you guys later :)

just edit your post,i'll delete mine maybe mvp will to and nobody knows nuthin. ;)

It wasn't meant to be a burn , it was to refresh your memory . Are you one of those Canuck fans that actually think they will win the division or a shot at the cup ? :joker:

Are the Sedin girls actually gonna look like 2nd and 3rd overall picks this season ? :joker:

Them girls are jokes .

Ha ha :rolly: Hey tough boy, I'm sure you're saying stuff like that off line as well... suuuure you are.

You've actually increased the distance between interesting posters and er... what ever it is you are.... the bottom stuff. :p Even Avs fans must find it hard to have you around.

That's for sure. Apologies if I offended anyone other than the intended recipient.



No doubt. See you guys later :)

:joker:

I hope not, I thought it was hilarious...I felt like saying something along those lines too...

:joker:

I hope not, I thought it was hilarious...I felt like saying something along those lines too...

Ditto ;)

At least the Cannots still have Sopel . :joker:

I can't wait until The Mighty Avs & Cannots play , after Colorado spanks them 6-1 , Burke will be crying again like he does every other week .


How does it feel to have a GM that cries every other week ? :D



You guys actually think the Sedins girls will get 20 goals this season ? :joker: Them little girls are a bunch of ******* . Then you have Markus " No Hart " Naslund and Todd " Big Baby " Bertuzzi .


Dan " Center Line " Cloutier


But don't forget we also have Karupt " small pebbles " to humour us while we enjoy our hockey team !

Thanks so much for that little Karupty :joker:

At least the Cannots still have Sopel . :joker:

I can't wait until The Mighty Avs & Cannots play , after Colorado spanks them 6-1 , Burke will be crying again like he does every other week .


How does it feel to have a GM that cries every other week ? :D



You guys actually think the Sedins girls will get 20 goals this season ? :joker: Them little girls are a bunch of ******* . Then you have Markus " No Hart " Naslund and Todd " Big Baby " Bertuzzi .


Dan " Center Line " Cloutier


Thank you for the entertainment :joker:

At least the Cannots still have Sopel . :joker:

I can't wait until The Mighty Avs & Cannots play , after Colorado spanks them 6-1 , Burke will be crying again like he does every other week .


How does it feel to have a GM that cries every other week ? :D



You guys actually think the Sedins girls will get 20 goals this season ? :joker: Them little girls are a bunch of ******* . Then you have Markus " No Hart " Naslund and Todd " Big Baby " Bertuzzi .


Dan " Center Line " Cloutier

Can't you at least be an original troll? Yeesh...

Waveburner - I get so tired of these N. Smith and Schultz defenses. Go watch them play. I've watched each for a number of years. People come up with well Smith will be a gritty 4th liner. That he'll get his nose dirty mucking around on a checking line. Well that would be great if he was gritty. He's not. He's soft and gets bounced around easily. He can't fight a lick. In fact I don't think he ever has. If you think Smith is a tough guy go right ahead. There is nothing in his background to suggest this but people are, of course free to think whatever they like. It's just a little better if they have something to back it up. Smith does not have the speed to play in the NHL. He has not got the skill. He has not got the grit. I mean even in Junior he was not a big point producer. And during crunch time in the playoffs he disappeared.

I challenge you to go ahead and name one particular quality Smith has that makes him NHL material.

As for Schultz it's simply a joke. He's not that young. He two years older than Kesler. He looked horrible even with the rookies. The way the Canucks demoted him showed that. And how is he going to make the NHL? He's slow and always has been. He's small and has no physical presence at all. Never has had. He's good around the net and had a great playoff. That's it. One good year as an overager.

Both Smith and Schultz lack the grit and ability to play at the NHL level. And they've clearly shown that.

I just can't understand how people can see such mediocre talents having a chance to play at the NHL level. Doesn't the present difficult of decent players like Kesler and King (both light years ahead of Smith and Schultz) illustrate how difficult it is to make this league. Don't people understand that you have a small window to establish yourself. That most players advance quickly into the League, if they are going to make it, and show for the outset they have major league potential. Don't they understand that new players are constantly entering the scene and pushing by people who don't quickly show major league potential.

Some people say well Smith will develop into a checker in the AHL. Well by the time that has happened a new player will be on the horizon. And the Canucks, like other teams, will want to develop that player in hopes he will be much more than a checker.

For god sake give it up on Smith and Schultz.

Your word is not gospel orca. A great many other people have also seen Smith play in Junior, the AHL, etc...and many feel he should turn into a good checking center. You have your opinion on him, fine. Did I say he was tough? Gritty does not equal fighting. That's a pretty silly conclusion to be drawing from me saying Smith is a gritty checking line player. Did Klatt fight? Linden? Cooke? I have not really seen much of Shultz...but by your logic Mojzis's only impressive season as an overager discounts him as a prospect. I doubt Shultz makes it too, but I wouldn't write him off yet, unless he fails to crack the Moose all year.

And btw, Smith didn't score in junior? He put up well over a point a game for his final two seasons. Check again. Obviously he won't score at the NHL level much, if he makes it, but most NHL checkers were scorers in Junior, and Smith was too.

It's funny that some of these guys are considered "busts"... when thus far in the season Nathan Smith has spent time in the NHL, Bouck and Kavanaugh head the most successful line on the Moose, and Justin Morrison has had flashes of brilliance (if Smyl would stop benching/scratching... and simply messing with his head he would be doing much better).

Auld is by far our most overrated prospect. Future number one goalie in the league? I'd like to have whatever you're smoking. He's a decent prospect, but he's far from being this team's saviour like you all think he will be.

I think Kevin Swanson could be a bust. Put up awesome nubers in junior, signed with the Canucks and slowly after 2 or so years played his way right out of hockey to UBC.....

Are the Canucks a team that is really deep in prospects? No.
Thing is, many of the Canucks prospects of recent years have already graduated to the NHL.
Of the ones that remain in the system...

Koltsov... everything I read says the kid is going to be good.

Auld... saw a bit of what he can do last year. I don't see many people saying he'll be a saviour... but I do think he can be a number one goalie.

Mensator... everything I read says this kid is small, but super quick and could be another Irbe type in net. Not a bad prospect at all.

Umberger... nice thing about R.J. is he should be more advanced as a player after going the full college route. No one should be writing him off as a bust yet.

Smith... to all those defending the kid, good for you but... I'm not sure he'll ever see the light of day in the NHL. If your ceiling is 4th line duty, then you're going to have a tough time cracking a big-league roster.

Federov... sorry, don't ever see that guy developing. He's been benched and chewed out enough times that he ought to be getting the message by now. But it's not sinking in. I think he will forever remain a waste of talent.

2-month-old thread...it's back from the grave! :p

Funny...I thought I deleted that profanity-laced message to 'Kurupt'....it appears to have come back. I'll have to edit it, unfortunately it was quoted twice. :)

Oh well, at least that idiot's no longer around.