Hiens proves RAG$ snafu

kutdacheez
09-30-2003, 02:55 PM
The NY RAG$ claim defenseman (to use the word very loosely) Shawn Heins off waivers from Hurricanes and go to prove that Glen Sather and the NY RAG$ are snafu.

Koltsov71
09-30-2003, 03:21 PM
I think there's something more to it.. Heins was just signed by the Thrashers, why would they put him on waivers? Same with Heerema. I believe he was exempt from the waiver draft. Why would Carolina place him on waivers only a few days before the waiver draft.

spence___
09-30-2003, 04:10 PM
The NY RAG$ claim defenseman (to use the word very loosely) Shawn Heins off waivers from Hurricanes and go to prove that Glen Sather and the NY RAG$ are snafu.

is that bad?

Koltsov71
09-30-2003, 04:47 PM
If those two players are indeed going to stay with the Rangers, that's two solid pick ups.

AEKaki
09-30-2003, 07:30 PM
If those two players are indeed going to stay with the Rangers, that's two solid pick ups.


I have a good feeling that Danny LaCouture might be unprotected.
Lets jump all over him.
I liked him in a Pens uni.

No?

spence___
09-30-2003, 07:34 PM
I have a good feeling that Danny LaCouture might be unprotected.
Lets jump all over him.
I liked him in a Pens uni.

No?

Why bother?

There is a chance Hagman will be left unprotected though. Which I'd be all for. Especially since that means their going to protect Samuellson.

spence___
09-30-2003, 08:47 PM
How many rounds is the waiver draft?

I think it's at least 3 and goes until all 30 teams go a rd without selecting a player.

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 03:20 AM
what does snafu mean btw? sorry if i am not up on my terms, just don't know what that one means.

Look it up in yer FunkenWagnalls. :D

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 03:27 AM
If those two players are indeed going to stay with the Rangers, that's two solid pick ups.
Are you joking????
Shawn Hiens won the Jim Kyte - Most pathetic defenseman award (no contest) when he was here. And his competition for the award were Moran, Jonsson, Pushor, Laukkanen, Leroux, Ference and Wilson.

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 03:30 AM
I have a good feeling that Danny LaCouture might be unprotected.
Lets jump all over him.


Let's not.

Lacouture is what Kent Manderville, Kieth Primeau and Shean Donovan were at his age . . . he will be in five years what they are today; Nothing.

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 03:32 AM
I think it's at least 3 and goes until all 30 teams go a rd without selecting a player.

I think it goes on until all 30 teams pass.

Koltsov71
10-01-2003, 04:24 AM
Are you joking????
Shawn Hiens won the Jim Kyte - Most pathetic defenseman award (no contest) when he was here. And his competition for the award were Moran, Jonsson, Pushor, Laukkanen, Leroux, Ference and Wilson.

No, I'm not joking. Are you? :rolleyes:

Heins is most likely a 7th defenseman in New York, or he'll be playing up in Hartford in the AHL. They could do worse.

Koltsov71
10-01-2003, 04:25 AM
Let's not.

Lacouture is what Kent Manderville, Kieth Primeau and Shean Donovan were at his age . . . he will be in five years what they are today; Nothing.

I better break out my boots. It's getting deep in here.

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 04:28 AM
No, I'm not joking. Are you? :rolleyes:

Heins is most likely a 7th defenseman in New York, or he'll be playing up in Hartford in the AHL. They could do worse.

I'm listening . . . how could they do worse then to have Shawn "no holds barred" Heins take a spot on their defense?

(BTW, yer pick is coming up shortly!) :D

aylib
10-01-2003, 04:38 AM
Let's not.

Lacouture is what Kent Manderville, Kieth Primeau and Shean Donovan were at his age . . . he will be in five years what they are today; Nothing.
You are calling Keith Primeau a nothing? You better check your head.

Koltsov71
10-01-2003, 04:52 AM
You are calling Keith Primeau a nothing? You better check your head.

He was obviously referring to Wayne Primeau.

At least I hope so.

aylib
10-01-2003, 04:53 AM
He was obviously referring to Wayne Primeau.

At least I hope so.
I thought so.

Koltsov71
10-01-2003, 04:57 AM
(BTW, yer pick is coming up shortly!) :D

I believe I'm due up at 3:00 PM. It's not even 10:00 AM on my clock.

TomHBlain
10-01-2003, 05:08 AM
Cujo is left unprotected...Detroit thinks no one will take him, but Goalies of that "calibre" will go, mark my words.



I think Detroit is rather hoping someone will take them. THey have $17 million wrapped up in goaltending right now and wouldnt mind making that $9 million. I am pretty sure most Wings fans wouldnt mind getting something in return but chances of that reducing payroll or being something of value are pretty slim.

Is the Waiver draft this weekend?

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 05:13 AM
You are calling Keith Primeau a nothing? You better check your head.


Better czech my head?????? Anyhow, I meant Wayne (another wrong brother) Primeau.

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 05:15 AM
I think Detroit is rather hoping someone will take them. THey have $17 million wrapped up in goaltending right now and wouldnt mind making that $9 million. I am pretty sure most Wings fans wouldnt mind getting something in return but chances of that reducing payroll or being something of value are pretty slim.

Is the Waiver draft this weekend?


Watch it, Jagr show up on the waiver list, with him! :rolly:

#37-#93-#27*
10-01-2003, 06:00 AM
The NY RAG$ claim defenseman (to use the word very loosely) Shawn Heins off waivers from Hurricanes and go to prove that Glen Sather and the NY RAG$ are snafu.
That makes absolutely no sense.

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aylib
10-01-2003, 06:10 AM
Better czech my head?????? Anyhow, I meant Wayne (another wrong brother) Primeau.
You can slovak it if you want.

Darth Vitale
10-01-2003, 06:57 AM
How anyone can badmouth a guy like Manderville (page 1) is beyond me; without players like that, teams don't win. Smart player, gritty, good on PK, never makes noise in the room / to the press... doesn't cost a lot. Yah Manderville is a real zero.

Gosh I wish we could get that Tibbetts kid back. Now HE was something!


:rolleyes:

Koltsov71
10-01-2003, 07:06 AM
How anyone can badmouth a guy like Manderville (page 1) is beyond me.

Yeah, I really think that was a terrible call. I would have loved to have Manderville back on this team.

BTW, I would personally recommend adjusting your settings to 50 posts per page, as opposed to 15. But to each his own. :)

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 08:01 AM
How anyone can badmouth a guy like Manderville (page 1) is beyond me; without players like that, teams don't win. Smart player, gritty, good on PK, never makes noise in the room / to the press... doesn't cost a lot. Yah Manderville is a real zero.

Gosh I wish we could get that Tibbetts kid back. Now HE was something!


:rolleyes:

Manderville's played for six or seven different teams. None of which ever won much, have they? So that part of your argument is false. He, along with Donovan, Lacouture and Primeau could have had lead parts in the movie: The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. The couldn't deposit the puck any better than Jamie Pushor could. Maybe they were worse.
Other than we traded Billy Tibbetts, a troubled kid and a worthless forward, to get Manderville, why do you bring his name into the conversation? Or, are you saying that we should get Tibbetts? I'm not sure I understand where you were going with that.

If you think Manderville is such a hot item and if you also think we should jump at the chance to get Lacouture if the RAG$ put him on waivers . . . it should be real easy for you to deduce why some of this stuff appears to be "beyond you." What do you think the secret is that such a "valuable" player such as Manderville is still unsigned?

We have rid ourselves of the following since this time last year: Berry, Ference, Jonsson, Laukkanen, Leroux, Moran, Pushor, Wilson, Manderville, Primeau, Robitaille, LaCouture, Nieminen, Donovan, Bouchard, Daigle, Hiens, Samuelsson, Johansson, Lintner and Vujtek. I say "good riddance" ... "Good Luck" ... "Thanks for the memories" ... and "see you in the highlight reels" . . . I think if you were a PR man you probably could say some good about all of them, but not not enough to convince me that any of them should be on this team.

Darth Vitale
10-01-2003, 10:28 AM
My point was simply this: every good team has a player like Kent Manderville on their squad. He is not intended as a points guy; he is out there to make smart plays, keep the puck out of the net, and rough it up in the corners / along the boards when needed.

And on THIS team in particular, there are a lot of young lads who could learn a lot from Mr. Manderville. More so than sayyy, Reid Simpson. If I could get him back on the roster I'd do it in a second. For one thing, he was our best PK. Or do you disagree?

My comment about Tibbetts was sarcastic. The guy is worthless and we traded him to a division rival for Manderville. It was a great trade for the Pens....

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 11:19 AM
My point was simply this: every good team has a player like Kent Manderville on their squad. He is not intended as a points guy; he is out there to make smart plays, keep the puck out of the net, and rough it up in the corners / along the boards when needed.
And on THIS team in particular, there are a lot of young lads who could learn a lot from Mr. Manderville. More so than sayyy, Reid Simpson. If I could get him back on the roster I'd do it in a second. For one thing, he was our best PK. Or do you disagree?
My comment about Tibbetts was sarcastic. The guy is worthless and we traded him to a division rival for Manderville. It was a great trade for the Pens....
I don't disagree that Kent Manderville is a good penalty killer. So was Shean Donovan, and Dan LaCouture. The three of them work pretty good as a team. Manderville was also a pretty decent face-off man. IMHO, they are all the last of a dying breed. All three are penalty killer specialists. Not one of them can fill a first or second line forward position on "our team" and we fought it out for last place, for crÍpes sake.
Personally, I've gone to "a goodly chunk of" games in my life and the only thing I know about any of the players from a personal prospective is what I hear from or read about in the media. I really don't have a clue about these players "locker room presence" or their ability to mentor what you call the young lads. You need to call in the "mentor-men" specialists for this one.
What, BTW, makes him better mentor than Reid Simpson, for instance?
I will end by asking this question again: If he is such a big time commodity why do you think he remains unsigned?

spence___
10-01-2003, 01:56 PM
I think it goes on until all 30 teams pass.

Isnt that what i said? Though it might be as short as 2(or 3 wasnt sure) rds.

Der Schweinehund
10-01-2003, 02:55 PM
You need to call in the "mentor-men" specialists for this one.

Justice League of America
Fantastic Four
X Men
Mentor-Men

It just might work...

Koltsov71
10-01-2003, 03:08 PM
The couldn't deposit the puck any better than Jamie Pushor could.

I stopped reading after this comment. Why even bother saying this? It's obvious those guys are not capable of filling scoring roles. I'm sure you know that.

Koltsov71
10-01-2003, 03:12 PM
Manderville's played for six or seven different teams. None of which ever won much, have they?

In my opinion, that is an extremely silly arguement to attempt to make.

What do you think the secret is that such a "valuable" player such as Manderville is still unsigned?

Why are Oates, Berard etc still unsigned? Guys like Manderville usually catch on with teams close to the beginning of the season.

We have rid ourselves of the following since this time last year: Berry, Ference, Jonsson, Laukkanen, Leroux, Moran, Pushor, Wilson, Manderville, Primeau, Robitaille, LaCouture, Nieminen, Donovan, Bouchard, Daigle, Hiens, Samuelsson, Johansson, Lintner and Vujtek. I say "good riddance" ... "Good Luck" ... "Thanks for the memories" ... and "see you in the highlight reels" . . . I think if you were a PR man you probably could say some good about all of them, but not not enough to convince me that any of them should be on this team.

I'd gladly take Ference and Johansson back on this this team.

kutdacheez
10-01-2003, 03:39 PM
In my opinion, that is an extremely silly arguement to attempt to make.
It wasn't intended to be silly.


Why are Oates, Berard etc still unsigned?
IMHO Oates is an old man who has been a step too slow for the last two to three years. Has slowed down drastically in his skating stride. Oates besides being aged is also small and if he ever was physical it was by a pure accident. However, not taking his salary into the equation, in comparison to some centers he still sees the ice well and is an excellent face-off center and set-up man. He may not be signed because he may want to play on a team that contend for the Stanley Cup. Lot's of Luck. IMO he's too far over the hill for a Stanley Cup competitor.

IMHO Bryan Berard's eye injury has limited his effectiveness. He is an offensive defenseman who plays so high risk his worth (because of his inconsistency) has to be questioned. His defensive play sucks, pretty much and obviously Boston thinks he is pricing himself at least out of their market.

Guys like Manderville usually catch on with teams close to the beginning of the season.
I glad to see that you said guys LIKE Manderville because Manderville himself was never involved with a catch on to teams close to the beginning of the season type player ever in his career.

I'd gladly take Ference and Johansson back on this this team.
That's probably just one reason why you post while Craig Patrick is the GM. :teach:
IMHO, Andy Ference couldn't make this team (playing ability and general attitude) and Johansson is long overdue to ever become an affective player in the NHL. That's why he returned to Europe. He never had much of an impact on offense and appeared to have a major problem adjusting to life over here let alone the NA style of play.

Koltsov71
10-01-2003, 04:02 PM
That's probably just one reason why you post while Craig Patrick is the GM. :teach:

What? :dunno:

Johansson is long overdue to ever become an affective player in the NHL.

The Johansson I watched play seemed effective.