Harvey & Zalesak Left Unprotected

San Jose Sharks

Protected

David Cloutier, D; Vincent Damphousse, F; Nisse Ekman, F; Scott Hannan, D;
Tavis Hansen, F; Alexander Korolyuk, F; Patrick Marleau, F; Alyn McCauley,
F; Kyle McLaren, D; Robert Mulick, D; Scott Parker, F; Wayne Primeau, F;
Mike Rathje, D; Mike Ricci, F; Mark Smith, F; Brad Stuart, D; Marco Sturm,
F; Scott Thornton, F; Miikka Kiprusoff, G; Evgeni Nabokov, G.

Available

Todd Harvey, F; Miroslav Zalesak, F.

This makes little sense putting Miro on the Waiver list if he was so prized by the GM himself. Makes me wonder if Doug was blowing smoke in our (myself and x0n) eyes when he spoke so highly of Zalesak.

Am I seriously underestimating Tavis Hansen or are the Sharks keeping him protected in order to have a player that wont hurt so bad to expose if they pick a forward from some other team's exposed list?

Just seems awkward to me...

Hansen is a wonderfull man. Hes important to help out the guys in the system.

I'm glad to see Zalesak on the Waiver list....I think he well/I hope he's takin. I think Doug Wilson has been blowing smoke in your eyes von, with this and with the only Mention of Vanek. I also think that this really staples it in my head more there very very high on Michalek.

So yes....I hope Zalesak gets picked up and gets a fair chance. I dont know about Harvey though :dunno:

What happen with Toskala....he is not shown on the protected list or waived list? Whats up with that.......

Am I seriously underestimating Tavis Hansen or are the Sharks keeping him protected in order to have a player that wont hurt so bad to expose if they pick a forward from some other team's exposed list?

Just seems awkward to me...


That is the only explanation that makes sense. Neither Hansen or Mulick should need to be protected. There isn't much out there worth taking though. The only players that interested me were Afanasenkov (Tampa) Novoseltsev and Bednar (Florida).

Since the uncertainy of Stuey, a good waiver pick up would be Reid Simpson. With his toughness, along with the 1.5 mil price tag, it would be a nice addition! I'm worried that Stuart's condition might be more than the Sharks are exposing?

I thought I might be marginally interested in Bill Muckalt, Mattias Timander, Brian Savage (though I haven't checked on his salary.. If far beyond 1,5M, no)... Don't really know where they'd fit in the system, tho.. It's getting late and perhaps I need to go to bed now :)

Vilpertti: Ding ding. I can't help but think that Robert Mulick and David Cloutier are serving similar purposes. As I see the rules, the Sharks don't even have to protect Cloutier, but they have him on the list.

Yes, Toskala's absence makes no sense. Toskala was signed as a 23-year-old, and it has been three seasons since he was signed, so...he should be exposed if Kiprusoff is available as I read the rules.

I can't remember if we straightened this out earlier, but I know I made a msitake earlier regarding Jesse Fibiger. Fibiger was signed as a 23-year-old, and he's only play two pro seasons since he was signed.

Also, there are some interesting guys available. If there wasn't the divisional rule, I'd find Todd Simpson interesting. (Is he injured or something?) Considering Stuart's injury, a new number seven might be an upgrade over Carkner for a little while. Both Shawn Heins and John Jakopin are available from the Rangers. Yeah, it might sound weird to re-acquire either for a little while, but...I guess it'll depend on San Jose's opinion of Carkner if they pick up any new defensemen tomorrow.

As far as Zalesak goes, when Ekman was originally acquired, I thought it spelled Zalesak's doom. Then Wilson talked to x0n and Baron...I'm thinking maybe it was some hype because, why would you protect Robert Mulick to perhaps unprotect when a selection is made, when you could just option him from the get-go and then offer up Cloutier or Hansen as your first player to then expose.

This obviously shows that Ekman has won this battle.

Cyclops: Explain to me why San Jose would possibly need Afanasenkov, Bednar, or Novoseltsev. Cleveland doesn't need Afanasenkov and I don't see Bednar or Novoseltsev as players that really fit into San Jose. If Dimitrakos and Michalek were sent down to Cleveland to make room for either, I'd get upset.

Scarus: Me and you are thinking the same thing, but I'm assuming you meant Todd Simpson. Unfortunately, San Jose can't take him in the first round of the Waiver Draft because of Waiver Draft rules. Todd jumped out to me the most based on need. Simpson's always been a ***** for San Jose to play with since his Calgary days. Again, maybe he's injured and I don't know it. If he's healthy, there's no way Simpson makes it to San Jose for the second round of the Waiver Draft.

I thought I might be marginally interested in Bill Muckalt, Mattias Timander, Brian Savage (though I haven't checked on his salary.. If far beyond 1,5M, no)... Don't really know where they'd fit in the system, tho.. It's getting late and perhaps I need to go to bed now :)

Savage is too old and fragile to spend money on. Muckalt is an interesting player. After displaying no offensive ability in the NHL he put up 5g 3a 8pts in 8 games for Minnesota last year before missing the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. He would be an interesting claim and Hansen could be dropped.
Timander was sent to the minors recently so he could replace Mulick on the protected list. Can a player be claimed and sent to the minors?

Kevin: my boo boo, I meant Todd, and forgot the same division rule.

Simpson played in the pre-season game with the Yotes last week, and was a bugger through the whole game. Probably their most noticable guy on the ice, just because he was constantly getting into stuff with guys. I was surprised he's only 6'2" because he looked like the biggest guy out there.

Cyclops: Explain to me why San Jose would possibly need Afanasenkov, Bednar, or Novoseltsev. Cleveland doesn't need Afanasenkov and I don't see Bednar or Novoseltsev as players that really fit into San Jose. If Dimitrakos and Michalek were sent down to Cleveland to make room for either, I'd get upset.

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There is nobody on the waiver list that is really interesting. I thought that the 3 I mentioned are of moderate interest. Just noticed in the NHL Guide that Bednar is 27. Scratch him from the list.
Afanasenkov and Novoseltsev both displayed goal scoring ability in junior and may benefit from a change of scenery.
Dimitrakos should be in the NHL for good if he maintains his consistency but Michalek hasn't produced like other 2003 draftees - Staal, Horton and Brown. He may need time in the minors to develop. Afanasenkov or Novoseltsev could be given a last shot at the NHL while Michalek is developing.

I talk to a kid on the AIM from San Jose, two ducks fans and one Kings fan. Everyone has been telling me wow this Michalek kid is somthing. 90% of the time your not gonna have the puck. Michaleks skills away from the puck with his hustle, Speed, Defensivie awareness, Size, makes him a big defensive asset to the team this year.

Harvey has some use on this team, Zalesak is a good prospect. But he's 24 now? I think Harvey is only expendible because of his contract, and we have Lynn Loyns in the Farm system.

Do be honest I wouldnt mind seeing either go. As bad as that may sound. I want to see the youth, Dimitrakos, Michalek, Loyns, Goc, Boyes you know?

If this were Novokuznetsk in Russia, maybe I'd take interest in Afanasenkov, but...don't forget I like the Lightning and follow their players. Afanasenkov hasn't really done anything at the AHL level and San Jose has Cleveland well stocked so...

Novoseltsev is a decent player, but he doesn't fit San Jose's needs. Not when the team already has Alex Korolyuk, Nils Ekman, Niko Dimitrakos and the unprotected Miroslav Zalesak.

Muckalt is a decent player, but, again, San Jose doesn't need another third or fourth line player really. I would hope San Jose doesn't pick up a forward in the Waiver Draft, because there are so many young forwards in San Jose who deserve a chance to make the team.

I wonder if the fact that Toskala played the first season of his contract in Sweden has anything to do with his absence from our exposed/protected list?

I've got an idea! Sharks should take Curtis Joseph and Robert Reichel! And Chris Therien!

About Timander... Really, look at Isles' dmen, no wonder he's the one sent down. From what I've seen he could be a good #7 guy if for some reason Sharks thought they dont want to carry so many rookies...

I don't like Timander as a depth defenseman, because San Jose needs a good physical seventh defenseman, which is normally what Rob Davison would be. Mattias Timander...there's no reason to take him when guys like Ehrhoff and Preissing are in the system this year.

If Todd Simpson finds his way to San Jose's spot in the second round, I'd be in favor of San Jose taking him. Although, it creates a problem when Stuart becomes healthy, because then either Ehrhoff goes down to Cleveland, or Davison goes down to Cleveland, and he'd have to clear waivers.

Still, Todd Simpson is a good physical defenseman, which San Jose could use with Stuart out.

I'm not certain San Jose can pass on taking a player in the first round and then draft in the second round. I suppose you could always just take somebody in the first round if you have to to have a chance at Simpson (assuming he doesn't go in the top five of the Waiver Draft.) At six, if San Jose were to take Heins are Jakopin to be the temporary seven to allow Carkner to captain Cleveland, that'd be fine. Then, when Stuart returns, either could be traded back to New York for future considerations. (I'd just consider it even and just give them back really. Consider it a loan to another NHL team.)

At six, if San Jose were to take Heins are Jakopin to be the temporary seven to allow Carkner to captain Cleveland, that'd be fine.

Don't you think Tavis Hansen will be the captain in Cleveland? He and Carkner were both A's last season, but Tavis wore the C when Ryan Kraft was called up and/or injured.

I thought of Timander as someone who can also move the puck a bit and thus helping the Sharks' transitional game. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he is still an NHL-caliber dman? I have to admit that I don't have the access to see that many NHL games to tell if he's sub-par in that category...

I really can't see the need to upgrade Sharks' defence physically. Of course Simpson would be a nice 7th dman, but I personally would go the other way.

Someone has to move the puck besides Fahey, and what if Ehrhoff/Preissing cant yet play at this level... In that case a timander is better than a simpson.

Of course McLaren has averaged about 60 games a season and Stuart appears to be broken then there could be seen need for a physical guy.

Damn.. Why did Colorado protect Blake? :)

Damn.. Why did Colorado protect Blake? :)
Because we could never afford his salary ;)

I dont think there'd ever be any question about absorbing a Rob Blake with his salary.. Well, not in my own fantasy world where he was left exposed and no one before Sharks took him, anyway :)

Don't you think Tavis Hansen will be the captain in Cleveland? He and Carkner were both A's last season, but Tavis wore the C when Ryan Kraft was called up and/or injured.

I agree. I expect Hansen to captain the team.

I talk to a kid on the AIM from San Jose, two ducks fans and one Kings fan. Everyone has been telling me wow this Michalek kid is somthing. 90% of the time your not gonna have the puck. Michaleks skills away from the puck with his hustle, Speed, Defensivie awareness, Size, makes him a big defensive asset to the team this year.

I wouldnt count on michalek being a defensive assest for SJ this year...dont get me wrong, I'm knocking his talent or anything but its crazy not to think of him as a liability in his rookie season

I wouldnt count on michalek being a defensive assest for SJ this year...dont get me wrong, I'm knocking his talent or anything but its crazy not to think of him as a liability in his rookie season


Oh dont get me wrong...I do as well. But he does bring alot to the table that this team could use.

Shane Willis wouldn't be a bad pickup in my opinion.

If Shane Willis isn't a substantial enough offensive gain to crack Tampa's line-up, how exactly is a real upgrade over Korolyuk, Dimitrakos, etc? I'd rather see those two, or Ekman (a former Bolt himself) Cheechoo or Michalek playing than wasting a spot on Shane Willis.

I'd rather see San Jose use it's own drafted players at this point than to bring in some outside underachieving forward.

If Shane Willis isn't a substantial enough offensive gain to crack Tampa's line-up, how exactly is a real upgrade over Korolyuk, Dimitrakos, etc? I'd rather see those two, or Ekman (a former Bolt himself) Cheechoo or Michalek playing than wasting a spot on Shane Willis.

I'd rather see San Jose use it's own drafted players at this point than to bring in some outside underachieving forward.

Agreed, the fact that we made zero moves today tells me that Doug/Ron think the same thing. good look Kevin :bow:

Also, going by the Waiver Draft and a Shark release today, Tom Preissing appears to be set to be the 7th defenseman for now. (Although, I seem to recall saying Wilson said he'd play.) Might Preissing AND Ehrhoff play with Davison as the seventh?? It COULD work, because Ehrhoff isn't unphysical, Fahey is intense, and Rathje is strong, while McLaren and Hannan are rather physical.

We'll see.

Two of my three guys were taken: Simpson and Heins (this Heins back and forth to Atlanta bit is funny) The Rangers in essence acquired Heins off waivers, to put him in the Waiver Draft to be exposed after they picked up Sheldon Keefe. (The type of player the Rangers SHOULD be playing on their fourth line.) It's time for Slats to bring some sort of Edmonton-type franchise building, where chemsitry means something, not just a collection of high-priced stars and semi-stars, egos and all.

The Rangers lost and took a fair number of players today, with two waiver picks ups (Heins and Heerema) leaving, along with Petrovicky and picking up Keefe, Joel Bouchard and Mike Siklenka. I can't say I'm totally clear on why the Rangers feel they need Bouchard. I like Joel, but, why the Rangers really need him...