Panthers' Waivers List

Protected

Mathieu Biron, D; Valeri Bure, F; Matt Cullen, F; Paul Elliott, D; Niklas Hagman, F; Jonas Hoglund, F; Kristian Huselius, F; Olli Jokinen, F; Scott Kelman, F; Viktor Kozlov, F; Andreas Lilja, D; Craig MacDonald, F; Eric Messier, F; Marcus Nilson, F; Lyle Odelein, D; Jeff Paul, D; Mikael Samuelsson, F; Dmitri Tolkunov, D; Jani Hurme, G; Roberto Luongo, G.

Available

Jaroslav Bednar, F; Todd Gill, D; Paul Laus, D; Ivan Novoseltsev, F; Byron Ritchie, F; Pavel Trnka, D; Chris Mason, G; Travis Scott, G.

http://nhl.com/onthefly/news/2003/10/152128.htm

Interesting on several fronts -- protected dmen such as Paul and Tolkunov; protected MacDonald and Kelman rather than Novo and Bednar. And Bure being protected...

I would infer that the Panthers want someone to take some salary off their books.

I thought Shvidki was eligible? Wonder why he's not on either list? :dunno:

NOOOOOOO why?!?!?!?!?!?, you know someone is gonna pick up Bednar.

can someone explain these moves?? are Kelman, Paul, MacDonald and Tokulnov going to make your team? :dunno:

anyone you see on the other teams list worth adding to our team?

I thought Shvidki was eligible? Wonder why he's not on either list? :dunno:

I also guesstimated that he needed to be protected. I thought he signed his NHL deal as a 19 y.o. prior to the 2000 season, giving him a three-year/160 game exemption based on the rules described below.

http://www.sjsharks.com/sharks/news/20030930-1064967829.htm

We know he has 3 NHL seasons under his belt, but less than 160 games. In this case, I believe the lesser of the two applies -- that is, the 3 year stipulation.

If so, the question is whether or not the 3 year term refers to NHL seasons or the actual date of the signing.

Anyway, some clarification is needed. :)

anyone you see on the other teams list worth adding to our team?

Shane Willis! :yo:

I like this guy for some reason. There was also a rumor regarding Keefe, so Dudley may try something there.

I can see Dudley trying to pick up Sheldon Keefe, Michael Henrich, Nikos Tselios or Brian Boucher !

I also guesstimated that he needed to be protected. I thought he signed his NHL deal as a 19 y.o. prior to the 2000 season, giving him a three-year/160 game exemption based on the rules described below.

http://www.sjsharks.com/sharks/news/20030930-1064967829.htm

We know he has 3 NHL seasons under his belt, but less than 160 games. In this case, I believe the lesser of the two applies -- that is, the 3 year stipulation.

If so, the question is whether or not the 3 year term refers to NHL seasons or the actual date of the signing.

Anyway, some clarification is needed. :)

From an article in the Sun-Sentinel (Sept. 22, 2003)

For Shvidki to start the season in the minors, he'll have to clear waivers, meaning the Panthers could lose him and get nothing in return.

There must be a different set of rules in regards to the waiver draft?

Keefe could be picked up in a deal similar to the one he pulled to get Mathieu Biron who worked out pretty well for what we paid to get him. Who knows, if we still have some problems on D, maybe we could pick up Todd Simpson. The reason for protecting some of these guys is so we have somebody to expose if we take somebody. Finally, why would Dudly acquire Brian Boucher with Luongo,Hurme,Mason, Lajeneusse, and Scott in the organization? It crowds an already crowded goal crease.

From an article in the Sun-Sentinel (Sept. 22, 2003)

For Shvidki to start the season in the minors, he'll have to clear waivers, meaning the Panthers could lose him and get nothing in return.

There must be a different set of rules in regards to the waiver draft?

Hehe, these cut-offs always confuse............

The Waiver Draft is held BEFORE the season starts.

So, on October 3rd, 2003, Shvidki is still exempt because the fourth
season of his professional career hasn't begun yet.

But when the season DOES start a few days later, his fourth season
would have begun. Thus, he has to clear waivers if the Panthers want him in the minors.

Hehe, these cut-offs always confuse............

The Waiver Draft is held BEFORE the season starts.

So, on October 3rd, 2003, Shvidki is still exempt because the fourth
season of his professional career hasn't begun yet.

But when the season DOES start a few days later, his fourth season
would have begun. Thus, he has to clear waivers if the Panthers want him in the minors.

Ah, the infamous less than or equal to...

Thanks for the clarification.

Take Dykhuis and/or Traverse off our hands if you want a D :handclap: ;)

Take Dykhuis and/or Traverse off our hands if you want a D :handclap: ;)
Keefe was the capt of the same Barrie Colt team that Dennis SHVIDKI played on and was on a line with Keefe, he will get Dennis butt moving back to the NHL in a big hurry ! Dudley loves Keefe's passion and detirmination , this kid (23) was the OHL's leading scorer in his last season. The coach in Tampa has always used Keefe in a 4th line checking role and know he will finally get back with the GM that drafted him. This will pay off in the end for Dudley and the Cats b/c Keefe is going to want to shove it up TB butts big time. Keenan will quickly fall in love with this kids hard hitting fiesty style !!
A WELCOME ADDITION !!!

Thanks for the explaination projexns :)

Why in the world would Dudley hang onto some of these stiffs while waiving cheap or at least affordable players with some degree of talent?

I'm stumped...and pissed :rant:

anyone you see on the other teams list worth adding to our team?
Bruins - Herr
Av's - Willise
Kings - Sim
Wild - Muckult
Islanders - Manlow
Rangers - John Jakopin , just kidding :joker: (remember that bum!)
Sens - Corso, Payer (I wouldnt mind getting him back)
Pens - Meloche
T-Bay - Keefe (I hope we make a big push for him)

Those are some names that stick out at me.

Thanks for the explaination projexns :)

Why in the world would Dudley hang onto some of these stiffs while waiving cheap or at least affordable players with some degree of talent?

I'm stumped...and pissed :rant:

Probably because he needs to free up some money.

Or because he needs to free up some money to sign Horton.

Or because he needs to free up some money to grab a player he thinks may be left exposed.

You're not alone in your query.

Thanks for the explaination projexns :)

Why in the world would Dudley hang onto some of these stiffs while waiving cheap or at least affordable players with some degree of talent?

I'm stumped...and pissed :rant:
To have someone to expose when he grabs someone. Bednar and Trnka would get exposed anyways once Dudley were to grab someone. Would you rather expose Van Ryn?

Keefe would be awesome to acquire go for it Duds!

Panthers probably protected Kelman, McD, Elliot etc. because once you make a claim, you must expose one player but i still don't understand why Bednar was exposed. The panthers will get Keefe IMO and he will play on our 4th or 3rd line with Shvidki.

I don't understand what everyone's fascination is with Shvidki and Keefe. Shvidki could have been just as successful without Keefe as he was with.

Keefe also comes with a lot of baggage. He and Mike Jefferson (a.k.a. Mike Danton) are of the same cloth.

To have someone to expose when he grabs someone. Bednar and Trnka would get exposed anyways once Dudley were to grab someone. Would you rather expose Van Ryn?


Your reply makes no sense to me Clash. Are you suggesting Bednar (at $500,000) isn't a better player or posesses more value than some of these pluggers that have been and will continue to rattle around the AHL or ECHL for however long their careers?

Your reply makes no sense to me Clash. Are you suggesting Bednar (at $500,000) isn't a better player or posesses more value than some of these pluggers that have been and will continue to rattle around the AHL or ECHL for however long their careers?
We have people who play similar roles as Bednar would Heimy. Bednar isn't a thirline winger, much the same as Val Bure and juraj Kolnik aren't either. These three have similar style games. I like Bednar, and I have ever since we first acquired him, but he never had the chance as he's a small forward playin already on a soft overall team. He can play center, but doesn't posess the size needed, nor the abilities to offset the lack of size. Guys like Kelman and Tolkunov were saved, so they could be exposed if and when Dudley grabs someone on Friday, rather than exposing a Van Ryn or Biron or Messier even. While Bednar has talent and a miniscule contract, I'm sure Dudley is hopin no one will grab him for his lack of size and lack of meaningful grit. Trnka is just dispensible, to tell the truth, much like Lance Ward would have been if the deal was just Ozo for Cullen. We have defensemen with better futures and more meaningful prsents than Trnka can bring with his one-way contract. This is typical posturing for an NHL organization, and shouldn't be a surprise. Hell, Paul Laus was exposed solely due to the fact he'll never play again, regretfully to my preferences.

We have people who play similar roles as Bednar would Heimy. Bednar isn't a thirline winger, much the same as Val Bure and juraj Kolnik aren't either. These three have similar style games. I like Bednar, and I have ever since we first acquired him, but he never had the chance as he's a small forward playin already on a soft overall team. He can play center, but doesn't posess the size needed, nor the abilities to offset the lack of size. Guys like Kelman and Tolkunov were saved, so they could be exposed if and when Dudley grabs someone on Friday, rather than exposing a Van Ryn or Biron or Messier even. While Bednar has talent and a miniscule contract, I'm sure Dudley is hopin no one will grab him for his lack of size and lack of meaningful grit. Trnka is just dispensible, to tell the truth, much like Lance Ward would have been if the deal was just Ozo for Cullen. We have defensemen with better futures and more meaningful prsents than Trnka can bring with his one-way contract. This is typical posturing for an NHL organization, and shouldn't be a surprise. Hell, Paul Laus was exposed solely due to the fact he'll never play again, regretfully to my preferences.
The last time i checked Danton has made the Blues and is a hard working honest gritty player (pretty good team there) , all we are saying is Keefe and Shvidki had great sucess together in the OHL on the same line and maby they can kind of hit it off again at the NHL level, with out any doubt Keefe will help the Cat's this year and for many many more !!

The last time i checked Danton has made the Blues and is a hard working honest gritty player (pretty good team there) , all we are saying is Keefe and Shvidki had great sucess together in the OHL on the same line and maby they can kind of hit it off again at the NHL level, with out any doubt Keefe will help the Cat's this year and for many many more !!
Keefe has been a model citezen in Tampa for two straight yrs know , the players and fans love this kids work ethic and he has had not one single problem !! he is always among the most popular players in Tampa in the fans opinion down here.

We'll have Keefe for sure... Most likely we'll pull of something like we pick Boucher and Avs pick Keefe.. We then trade Boucher for Keefe

I just fail to see how Keefe is a significant upgrade over Bednar and Novoseltsev. In the case of Novoseltsev, one could single out his salary, but that arguement isn't there in Bednar's case.

We have people who play similar roles as Bednar would Heimy. Bednar isn't a thirline winger, much the same as Val Bure and juraj Kolnik aren't either. These three have similar style games. I like Bednar, and I have ever since we first acquired him, but he never had the chance as he's a small forward playin already on a soft overall team. He can play center, but doesn't posess the size needed, nor the abilities to offset the lack of size. Guys like Kelman and Tolkunov were saved, so they could be exposed if and when Dudley grabs someone on Friday, rather than exposing a Van Ryn or Biron or Messier even. While Bednar has talent and a miniscule contract, I'm sure Dudley is hopin no one will grab him for his lack of size and lack of meaningful grit. Trnka is just dispensible, to tell the truth, much like Lance Ward would have been if the deal was just Ozo for Cullen. We have defensemen with better futures and more meaningful prsents than Trnka can bring with his one-way contract. This is typical posturing for an NHL organization, and shouldn't be a surprise. Hell, Paul Laus was exposed solely due to the fact he'll never play again, regretfully to my preferences.

Kelman and Tolkunov alone were enough to cover any planned waiver pick-ups. (I would be very surprised if Dudley picked up even one marginal player, whom he would then have to either justify to Keenan as an opening-night roster selection or whom he would then have to expose to waivers again.)

But Dudley also protected Paul, MacDonald, and Elliott.

For the record, Trnka isn't my idea of a NHL regular, either. But his name figures in a different context as a potential problem. If Russo is right about his one-way contract being a roadblock to Van Ryn's bid to make the team, it's a pretty sad testament to the state of affairs in the front office. It would be no stretch to imagine that various personnel decisions are influenced by similar situations with other players.

We'll have Keefe for sure... Most likely we'll pull of something like we pick Boucher and Avs pick Keefe.. We then trade Boucher for Keefe

That wouldn't make sense because the Avs don't pick till the second round, and we can pick a player from our division in the second round anyway. I wouldn't doubt that we (or someone else) do help the Avs with their goalie situation.