The Phoenix Coyotes have left goaltender Brian Boucher exposed. He was acquired last year from the Philadelphia Flyers but was battling Zac Bierk for the backup role behind Sean Burke.
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Makes sense but I won't be surprised if it comes back to bite us in the butt. $2.2 million is a lot to pay a backup. Not sure I agree with it but I understand the logic behind the move. Of course there is a temptation to utilize an escalation of commitment and rationalize keeping Boucher.
If boucher gets picked up I wonder if Phoenix makes a pitch for Brent Johnson or takes Aebischer when and if Sean Burke is dealt.
Kimahri 10-01-2003, 12:33 PM The Phoenix Coyotes have left goaltender Brian Boucher exposed. He was acquired last year from the Philadelphia Flyers but was battling Zac Bierk for the backup role behind Sean Burke.
(from tsn.ca)
Makes sense but I won't be surprised if it comes back to bite us in the butt. $2.2 million is a lot to pay a backup. Not sure I agree with it but I understand the logic behind the move. Of course there is a temptation to utilize an escalation of commitment and rationalize keeping Boucher.
If boucher gets picked up I wonder if Phoenix makes a pitch for Brent Johnson or takes Aebischer when and if Sean Burke is dealt.
The thing that doesn't make any sense to me, is that Simpson was left exposed over Hulse. :dunno: Savage was a gimme to be exposed because of the monster contract, but why protect Nazarov. I really hope no one claims Boucher.
The thing that doesn't make any sense to me, is that Simpson was left exposed over Hulse. :dunno: Savage was a gimme to be exposed because of the monster contract, but why protect Nazarov. I really hope no one claims Boucher.
I don't think they were too impressed with Simpson last year between the practical joke gone wrong (didn't he stain all of the carpets with putple dye?) and badly timed penalties.
Nazarov is protected because he fills a role that quite frankly nobody else can fill on that roster.
This move by Barnett may save Phoenix almost $4 million in salary. That's the silver lining in this list.
Kimahri 10-01-2003, 12:46 PM I don't think they were too impressed with Simpson last year between the practical joke gone wrong (didn't he stain all of the carpets with putple dye?) and badly timed penalties.
Nazarov is protected because he fills a role that quite frankly nobody else can fill on that roster.
This move by Barnett may save Phoenix almost $4 million in salary. That's the silver lining in this list.
Well Nazarov might just be protected as a trade off. Like say if we claim Bednar(or whoever) then we could then expose Naz. Seems reasonable.
And I think that Washington will claim Simpson, or maybe someone else like Toronto.
Hordichuk_24 10-01-2003, 01:01 PM I really hope nobody takes Simpson. :rant:
I really hope nobody takes Simpson. :rant:
Check out last nights stat sheet
he had like 7-10 mins for worth of penalty minutes, that is the exact opposite of what gretzky wants.
steveburfoot 10-01-2003, 01:10 PM I am pretty shocked that Boucher was left exposed, I think he will be taken by someone, as I would rate him slightly more attractive than Bierk, even taking his salary into consideration, and if Boucher does go, and Burke retires, where does that leave us next Season, Bierk or Pelletier and praying for Lenny to be ready to step up?
Hordichuk_24 10-01-2003, 01:20 PM Check out last nights stat sheet
he had like 7-10 mins for worth of penalty minutes, that is the exact opposite of what gretzky wants.
Yeah and he is also our most physical defenseman and one of the only players that plays with his heart on his sleave. He had a sprinted bout with Brennan last night to try and spark the team. He will be a bigger loss than most people imagine. Just watch...
And unless Cale Hulse can step it up and play the physical game he did when he played in the WHL and with Calgary, he won't be able to do half of what Simpson did...
Nagy17 10-01-2003, 01:45 PM Someone is gonna claim Simpson, he's a crease clearing physical dman willing to drop the gloves and wont back down from anyone. Many teams want a guy like that. Granted 1.5mil may be a little high for him but from what I hear he is quite the vocal leader in the clubhouse too. I wouldve rather exposed Suchy than him.
Hordichuk_24 10-01-2003, 01:46 PM Someone is gonna claim Simpson, he's a crease clearing physical dman willing to drop the gloves and wont back down from anyone. Many teams want a guy like that. Granted 1.5mil may be a little high for him but from what I hear he is quite the vocal leader in the clubhouse too. I wouldve rather exposed Suchy than him.
Totally agree 110%. Teams like the Leafs, and Sabres have been looking to acquire a defenseman like Simpson. Now is there chance. He will be gone, I am sure of that. Which really sucks. I just don't want to believe it. :rant:
Nagy17 10-01-2003, 01:49 PM If he goes, I'm gonna miss those Simpson/Tkachuk battles. Simpson sure could get under his skin.
Hordichuk_24 10-01-2003, 01:58 PM If he goes, I'm gonna miss those Simpson/Tkachuk battles. Simpson sure could get under his skin.
Same here. But he is as good as gone. If he is still with the team after the wavier draft I will be shocked...
Guest 10-01-2003, 02:13 PM :rant: :rant: :rant:
Why don't we go with an all rookie team, who needs leadership?
Hordichuk_24 10-01-2003, 02:17 PM :rant: :rant: :rant:
Why don't we go with an all rookie team, who needs leadership?
I am starting to feel the same way... :dunno:
See ya Simpson, see ya Boucher! Bah bye.
Selfish penalties and an average goaltender, both being overpaid. I'd rather watch Spiller develope.
Guest 10-01-2003, 02:28 PM See ya Simpson, see ya Boucher! Bah bye.
Selfish penalties and an average goaltender, both being overpaid. I'd rather watch Spiller develope.
I'd rather see Spiller develop, and Boucher & Simpson packaged to Washington for Zubrus or something we could use.
PhoPhan 10-01-2003, 02:29 PM While I understand the logic in exposing Boucher, it really angers me because Bierk would be the better choice. Why would we protect Hulse over Simpson? Teams had their shot with Hulse, obviously he won't be selected. The only way I could be happy losing one of them is if we lose Savage too which would free up some dollars, and make room for Taffe.
Hordichuk_24 10-01-2003, 02:33 PM Oh please, don't give me that whole stupid "selfish penalties" rant again... :rolleyes:
Kimahri 10-01-2003, 02:36 PM I'd rather see Spiller develop, and Boucher & Simpson packaged to Washington for Zubrus or something we could use.Maybe management "wants" Simpson gone to make room for Spiller? That could explain the Wilson signing, because Wilson comes cheaper than Simpson and could play in Sprinfield, where as if Spiller makes the team Simpson would be making to much money to be in the press box or the farm.
Matzel 10-01-2003, 02:52 PM Selfish penalties and an average goaltender, both being overpaid. I'd rather watch Spiller develope.
Short and to the point, LT! :handclap: I totally agree.
However, since they both make slightly too much money for what they bring to the table and with a new CBA around the corner - Who knows, there might be no takers... [sigh]
Dancin' Gabe rules! :bow:
Waldo 10-01-2003, 02:59 PM That was a tough dilemma. No matter who was left exposed, the Coyotes would lose something of value. I'm hoping they may slip through. After all, Leafs just recently signed Ken Klee, supposedly a solid stay at home physical defenseman. Everyone had a shot at signing him. There were others that were also available and probably still are but I'm not looking for names. My point is that teams have had free agents to sign and haven't. Simpson may yet slip through. But he still will be undisciplined and that's why he was exposed. I'm hoping that Boosh survives but he may be taken. Nonetheless, his salary may save him. We'll wait and see. But these were reasonable decisions and you'll probably find as many are happy with the choices as those that are not. I suppose that means Bierk will start the next game. Salary was probably important regarding Bierk but I thought he was better able to fit within Allaire's system, being a big goaltender like Burke. I'm happy enough with the decisions, but am hoping they slip through without being claimed.
Dancing Chicken 10-01-2003, 03:12 PM I totally called the Boosh being waived.. Glad to hear it but what makes no sence to me is Simpson.. The Yotes could of traded a pick for him at least.. Hmmm
Hordichuk_24 10-01-2003, 03:16 PM Maybe management "wants" Simpson gone to make room for Spiller? That could explain the Wilson signing, because Wilson comes cheaper than Simpson and could play in Sprinfield, where as if Spiller makes the team Simpson would be making to much money to be in the press box or the farm.
That could be the only logical explanation here. I wouldn't mind if as much if they replaced Simpson with another physical guy like Spiller.
ducky 10-01-2003, 03:36 PM Talk about admitting your mistakes...Handzus and Esche for Boucher. OUCH! :madfire:
I am surprised at Simpson being exposed. I thought he was going to be a leader on the team. It is not like he is the ONLY undisciplined guy on the team.
I wonder if there have been inquiries about Pelletier and the yotes expect him to be claimed instead of Boucher?
boucher was a huge mistake.....given his performance vs the contract he was given. as a 1 mill $ backup he'd be alright....as your future #1 glad to see mgmt admit their mistake and move on.
simpson will be missed although his locker room antics may have eroded any leadership value he has/had.
i'm sure mgmt tried to get something back for these players but found no takers at mgmt's asking price,now they go at the savings of their contracts.
it's interesting that last year many excellant players we're exposed in the waiver draft that went unclaimed and it may happen again.
both boucher and simpson must be feeling very vulnerable and unwanted at this point ....hope it doesn't reflect on their play if they remain with the yotes this year.
Guest 10-01-2003, 04:10 PM What do the Coyotes get for Esche, Handzus, and a 2nd Rounder? Nothing, it's the Coyotes.
That's what we paid for Simpson & Boucher.
ducky 10-01-2003, 04:11 PM 2003-2004 Waiver Draft Order Of Selection
First Round
1. Carolina
2. Pittsburgh
3. Columbus
4. Florida
5. Buffalo
6. San Jose
7. Nashville
8. Atlanta
9. Calgary
10. Montreal
11. Phoenix
12. NY Rangers
13. Los Angeles
14. Chicago
Teams above us that could use a goalie;
Pittsburgh - protected Caron and Aubin. I would take Pelletier OR boucher over either one
Nashville - may prefer Pelltier over Flaherty
Calgary - is rumoured to be looking for another goalie...most likely Pelltier due to salary
Teams that could use Simpson
Columbus
Florida
Buffalo
San Jose
Nashville
Atlanta
Montreal
We could lose two players before our own pick in the first round!
As for players of interest...not many. We could pick up a few enigmas on offence (Novoltsev from Florida, Keefe from TB) but then expose Nazarov I guess...leaving us (potentially) without an enforcer.
Very interesting.
M00se 10-01-2003, 05:33 PM As an Oiler fan I'm hoping that we pick up Boucher. How is he really though? Does he have the potential to be a number 1? I also wouldn't mind Simpson, I'd take him over Ferguson any day. And why was Cleary protected?
Oh please, don't give me that whole stupid "selfish penalties" rant again... :rolleyes:
Ya, hardly a rant just my opinion. I've never been overly impressed by Simpson. If a supposed leader takes selfish penalties then it's not teaching the young guys a whole lot.
Hordichuk_24 10-01-2003, 06:08 PM Ya, hardly a rant just my opinion. I've never been overly impressed by Simpson. If a supposed leader takes selfish penalties then it's not teaching the young guys a whole lot.
A majority of his penalties consisted of either fighting majors, standing up for himself or his teammates, or for playing physical in front of the net. Neither of those are bad penalties, IMO.
Sure he took some stupid penalties at the wrong times. But so did just about everyone else on the team. Losing Simpson will be a big mistake. Remember how soft our defense was before we traded for him?? I do, because it wasn't pretty at all....
If Boucher slips through do we consider that a victory for Barnett? or another reminder on how much we overpaid to acquire Boucher in the first place?
ducky 10-01-2003, 07:06 PM From the main board there is consensus that Boucher and Simpson are two of the most likely to be picked up.
Not good use of assets by management.
From the main board there is consensus that Boucher and Simpson are two of the most likely to be picked up.
Not good use of assets by management.
Spiller is still here, so they were expecting Simpson to get picked.
But that just makes the defense 2x as worse, who is going to provide the vertern leadership?
trade?
wilycoyote 10-01-2003, 07:33 PM With Simpson being in the final year of his contract, I don't see his exposure as such a horrible thing. If Spiller is at all ready for the job, I would rather have someone playing who could be with the team for 10 years then someone who may be here for 1 more. However, the possible lack of leadership on the blueline is troubling.
i'd rather have an experienced warrior like simpson for 1 yr doing his thing,good and bad, while spiller spends a yr in spr. gaining experience.
in today's market how did 1.5 mill become expensive for an nhl d man that provides grit toughness and a clear crease.
boucher was probably a low risk move as apparently not even we want him :)
roadrunner 10-01-2003, 08:43 PM i'd rather have an experienced warrior like simpson for 1 yr doing his thing,good and bad, while spiller spends a yr in spr. gaining experience.
in today's market how did 1.5 mill become expensive for an nhl d man that provides grit toughness and a clear crease.
boucher was probably a low risk move as apparently not even we want him :)
With Helmer out for a long time, things have changed dramatically, IMO. Our D was a bit suspect to begin with. :S
roadrunner 10-01-2003, 08:52 PM If Boucher slips through do we consider that a victory for Barnett? or another reminder on how much we overpaid to acquire Boucher in the first place?
Wow, what a great Q! My only answer to that would be that we paid highly for an asset we needed at the time, and the market has changed. DesRochers was our only choice at the time and that situation has obviously changed for the better. Throw in the pending CBA situation, and the whole picture is even more questionable, IMO.
PhoPhan 10-02-2003, 07:41 AM Now that they have Nash, would losing Nazarov be a problem?
Gwyddbwyll 10-02-2003, 09:39 AM Well Nash is more of a Brad May type of player isnt he.. not a heavyweight.
Man I cant believe they exposed Simpson instead of Hulse. Even if you think Hulse is marginally better.. exposing him creates FAR less of a stir since teams would feel they already passed on Hulse in free agency. I just cant imagine 29 teams will pass on Simpson.. no way. Really surprised they think they could manage without his veteran experience... honestly my first thought was that they are going for Ovechkin after all.
As for Boucher.. almost as surprised. Im not 100% sure he'll be selected but losing those two is a total waste of good assets like ducky said.
The Viking 10-02-2003, 10:00 AM Well Nash is more of a Brad May type of player isnt he.. not a heavyweight.
Man I cant believe they exposed Simpson instead of Hulse. Even if you think Hulse is marginally better.. exposing him creates FAR less of a stir since teams would feel they already passed on Hulse in free agency. I just cant imagine 29 teams will pass on Simpson.. no way. Really surprised they think they could manage without his veteran experience... honestly my first thought was that they are going for Ovechkin after all.
As for Boucher.. almost as surprised. Im not 100% sure he'll be selected but losing those two is a total waste of good assets like ducky said.
The Yotes can retain the rights to Hulse for the length of the contract while they could potentially lose Simpson at the end of this season. Why not risk losing Simpson and if you do lose him, you can sign him after this season.
Some people have called this poor asset management, I would say its is good asset management if Simpson isn't claimed and debatable if he is claimed.
Hordichuk_24 10-02-2003, 01:52 PM Now that they have Nash, would losing Nazarov be a problem?
Yeah, I would sure say so. The west has only gotten a lot bigger, tougher and more physical. If Nash is going to be left to do Nazarov's work, there won't be much of Tyson Nash left...
Matzel 10-02-2003, 04:54 PM I don't know guys - I don't buy this whole 'mis-managed assets' by exposing Boosh in the waiver draft. How long does management hold on to him, just because they OVER-paid when they got him?! The high price they paid for him, when they aquired him, doesn't make him any better on the ice.
To me, the mis-management was getting him for Zus and Esche. Not protecting him now is a great management of assets: Let someone else pay his ridiculously inflated salary. He does not fit into the Allaire style of play. IMO, Bierk can do the same for a lot less, until LeNeveue is ready...
I don't dislike Simpson. I feel he is paid slightly too much for what he does, but I get the feeling, that some of you make him out to be Derian Hatcher's twin brother. That, he is not! (mind you, both take their fair share of bad penalties over the season...;))
Dancin' Gabe rules! :bow:
Dancing Chicken 10-02-2003, 06:26 PM You Gabe loving fool ;)
Its not really the skill its the heart. I was getting so pist at my team for there half ass play last season. Not the lack of skill or the constant change of line but the fact that this team played with out heart or energy. Besides Simpson nobody seemed to give a dam if they were playing. He gave everything to try and energize his team. I would far rather be a fan of a team that loses but trys and gibve there all then a pansy arse team thats afraid to skate orgo infront of the dam net, on either side of the ice..
Yes now I will take a breath and get off my soap box befor I start on Booby..
Matzel 10-03-2003, 03:29 AM You Gabe loving fool ;)
Its not really the skill its the heart. I was getting so pist at my team for there half ass play last season. Not the lack of skill or the constant change of line but the fact that this team played with out heart or energy. Besides Simpson nobody seemed to give a dam if they were playing. He gave everything to try and energize his team. I would far rather be a fan of a team that loses but trys and gibve there all then a pansy arse team thats afraid to skate orgo infront of the dam net, on either side of the ice..
Yes now I will take a breath and get off my soap box befor I start on Booby..
I can see where you are coming from...
Dancin' Gabe rules! :bow:
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