heatley's immigration status

he is now under police custody and facing a very serious charge. Does anyone know about his immigration status? Is he a US citizen, can he be bared from entering the US if he leaves?

only if he is convicted of a felony

he is now under police custody and facing a very serious charge. Does anyone know about his immigration status? Is he a US citizen, can he be bared from entering the US if he leaves?

He is a professional athlete. He will get no more than a slap on the wrist.

Maybe a few thousand dollar fine or something, I don't know how he will be able to make ends meet now with only x million dollars minus a few thousand bucks!!

I don't think he'll have a problem getting back into the U.S. Craig MacTavish didn't, and he served time in Massachusetts for vehicular homicide.

He is a professional athlete. He will get no more than a slap on the wrist.

I certainly hope he gets a LOT more than that. I hope he serves time like any other citizen would do. He deserves the book thrown at him for what he did.

Jeez, some of you guys are being pretty harsh. Heatley is a super nice guy with a picture-perfect record as far as being a nice guy goes. Law abiding citizen. Car accidents like this happen all the damn time. And because Heatley's an athlete making lots of money, people jump all over him. You think he meant for that to happen?

~Canucklehead~

I don't mean to compare the two people AT ALL..

But Canucklehead, I don't see how that matters. OJ Simpson was considered one of the nicest pro athletes in the States for years.

I don't mean to compare the two people AT ALL..

But Canucklehead, I don't see how that matters. OJ Simpson was considered one of the nicest pro athletes in the States for years.
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The 2 situations are VERY DIFFERENT!!

I think it's hillarious that people really think that people get off for things becuase they are pro athletes. The very same things that pro athletes get off for regular joes get off for on a daily basis.. but, it's not made public.

I think it's hillarious that people really think that people get off for things becuase they are pro athletes. The very same things that pro athletes get off for regular joes get off for on a daily basis.. but, it's not made public.

True. People very rarely are punished to the full extent of the law.

True. People very rarely are punished to the full extent of the law.
That's cause overcrowding of jails costs taxpayers' money. Heatley may deserve to have his liscence revoked for a couple years, but unless Snyder dies, the kid doesn't deserve much else other than a fine and loads (and I mean loads) of community service he wouldn't normally do with the Thrashers, unless it is proven he was drinking before the accident (toxicology reports take a week or two). Now if Snyder dies, its a whole new ball of wax that this kid is facing. Hell, I knew a kid who went to jail, because the parents of his friends wouldn't go pick them up, and he loaded up a Honda CRX with like 9 people. 5 died on a wet road cause he was goin too fast, and the road slightly curved. He ended up spendin a year in jail for the deaths of five of his friends. Similar situation to Heatley if Snyder dies, which to god I hope he doesn't for his (Snyder's) family's sake.

Jeez, some of you guys are being pretty harsh. Heatley is a super nice guy with a picture-perfect record as far as being a nice guy goes. Law abiding citizen. Car accidents like this happen all the damn time.

Yeah, especially when you down a couple of beers and drive at speeds in excess of 80 MPH on a curvy, hilly residential street in the middle of the night. That's pretty far from "law abiding", last time I checked.

You think he meant for that to happen?

Doesn't matter. In the least.

I don't think he'll have a problem getting back into the U.S. Craig MacTavish didn't, and he served time in Massachusetts for vehicular homicide.

i think this is a very important point that not many people are aware of, but does show us how much has changed over the years. Nobody will ever look at heater the same now that the media is so involved in how the fans view players. MacT was able to restart his life without much problems, and really got things together

I believe the law states that visas can be pulled and immigrants can be extridited from the US if they commit "Aggrivated" Felonies. Most of these wouldn't apply to Heatley as of yet (murder, ****, felony assault etc...) but aggrivated felonies are also characterised in a general sense as crimes that have a jail sentence of 2 years or more.

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The 2 situations are VERY DIFFERENT!!

You're right, because Heatley will get convicted.

In the end, and because of his status, his lawyer will successfully argue that Heatley can give a lot more back to the community by agreeing to a huge community service program where he speaks to youths about the dangers of driving wrecklessly.

At the end of the day, he'll be able to do a lot of good if he embraces such a program. And hopefully Snyder will recover to the point where we can look back at this 5 years from now, and say the incident and aftermath probably saved lives.

It could affect whether he's allowed leave the States or not...

For a number of years Bob Probert could only play games in the States, 'cuz he had some drug charges on his rap sheet and would 't be allowed back into the country if he left ....

Last year, Billy Tibbetts never played in Canada either as he wasn't allowed leave the States......

Having had some fun with the INS myself, I have a hunch on this one:

(Assuming Heatley is convicted of the felony charge here...)
If he was Mexican and didn't have a lawyer, he'd be deported as soon as his sentence (even if suspended) was done.

But, he's going to have a lawyer. A good one. And that is what makes things move at the INS. I think he'll be fine as far as immigration status goes. He may have trouble avoiding prison, however.

Having had some fun with the INS myself, I have a hunch on this one:

(Assuming Heatley is convicted of the felony charge here...)
If he was Mexican and didn't have a lawyer, he'd be deported as soon as his sentence (even if suspended) was done.

But, he's going to have a lawyer. A good one. And that is what makes things move at the INS. I think he'll be fine as far as immigration status goes. He may have trouble avoiding prison, however.What exactly is the INS you speak of?

Yeah, especially when you down a couple of beers and drive at speeds in excess of 80 MPH on a curvy, hilly residential street in the middle of the night. That's pretty far from "law abiding", last time I checked.

His tox. reports are not back yet, so to say something like this is poor.

I think at 22, most of us would drive the same car 80 mph and think nothing of it. Heck, the best part of driving is on curvy roads. It is stupid, but at 22 most of us are.

What exactly is the INS you speak of?

The Immigration and Naturalization Service (of the U.S.). However, sometime after Sept. 11, 2001 the name was changed to the BCIS (Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Service).

His tox. reports are not back yet, so to say something like this is poor.

The toxicology reports may not be back yet, but the police have already interviewed a bartender who served him "one or two" beers before the accident.

I think at 22, most of us would drive the same car 80 mph and think nothing of it. Heck, the best part of driving is on curvy roads. It is stupid, but at 22 most of us are.

Yeah, and when you do something that stupid and ruin someone else's life, you have to pay the price. Heatly deserves to pay a big one, and I hope he is made to do so.

To all you Heatley bashers...RELAX

People have to remember he is still a kid...and from past expiriences kids *uck up. I hope people don't bash this kid because he is a very extremely talented hockey player and from what I have seen in interviews a really nice down to earth kid.

I am not knocking Snyder but people always tend to make someone with major injuries in a same vehicle car crash a victim and the driver a villian.

As soon as snyder stepped into the Ferrari do you think he was saying "hey Danny make sure you do the speed limit"...no he wanted to ride in a ferrari...you know what I mean.

Bottom line is, this was a very unfortunate accident and I hope both players recover well and in Snyders case I hope to see him play hockey again.

I think how Heatley is punished depends on what happens to Snyder. If Snyder makes a full recovery, and hopefully, plays hockey again, I don't think Heatley gets much, probably a stiff fine and hours upon hours of community service. But, after that, it'll just get worse.

To all you Heatley bashers...RELAX

People have to remember he is still a kid...and from past expiriences kids *uck up. I hope people don't bash this kid because he is a very extremely talented hockey player and from what I have seen in interviews a really nice down to earth kid.

I am not knocking Snyder but people always tend to make someone with major injuries in a same vehicle car crash a victim and the driver a villian.

As soon as snyder stepped into the Ferrari do you think he was saying "hey Danny make sure you do the speed limit"...no he wanted to ride in a ferrari...you know what I mean.

Bottom line is, this was a very unfortunate accident and I hope both players recover well and in Snyders case I hope to see him play hockey again.

it is the drivers responsibilty to make sure he obeys the law. heatley did not. its a shame that you can not see that heatley deserves to serve a long jail time. the good thing about it is he is in georgia not where hockey is NOT king. Where justice is served, heatley deserves to rot in jail and think about the crime he commited. yes we have all done stupid stuff in our life but what he did was careless. i dont care if he is a nice guy. he commmited a crime and shold be punished. just because he can score 50 goals does not give him the right to do what ever he wants!

To all you Heatley bashers...RELAX

People have to remember he is still a kid...and from past expiriences kids *uck up. I hope people don't bash this kid because he is a very extremely talented hockey player and from what I have seen in interviews a really nice down to earth kid.

Let me get it straight... You are suggesting we take it easy on Heatley because "he is a very extremely talented hockey player"? You've got to be kidding me...

Dany made a terrible mistake. He will pay a price for it. He may be convicted of a crime. He even may go to jail. He will never be seen as the same person by the fans. He will deal with emotional aftermath of injuring a friend. Talented hockey player or not, good kid or not - he will face the consequences of his actions.

Heatley will have to obtain a waiver if he's convicted of a crime or he won't be allowed to reenter the USA from Canada. Customs isn't going to let him reenter when it's a well publicized case they should know about, or they'll be on the hook if Heatley has another accident. Whether a waiver is granted depends on the seriousness of the conviction, and who's willing to take the heat if he has another accident. I can't imagine him being deported, but the reentry issue is serious. Having spent 2 glorious summers working for US Customs at the Peace Bridge, I can tell you that I would not let him reenter without a waiver.

"If you have a criminal record, no matter how minor or how long ago the offence, you may be refused entry to the United States… Under U.S. law, a pardon issued by Canadian authorities is not recognized for purposes of entry into the United States." "U.S. ports of entry are computerized and connected to a centralized database. Information is readily available on criminal convictions in both Canada and the United States. Even though you may have entered the United States without hindrance in the past, you could run into difficulty if your record shows a criminal conviction or a previous denial of entry. Attempting to gain entry without a waiver could result in several weeks of detention at a USINS facility." "If you have a criminal record, you should contact one of the USINS ports of entry well in advance of travel to the United States."
http://www.accmontreal.ca/border.html#usa16

To all you Heatley bashers...RELAX

People have to remember he is still a kid...and from past expiriences kids *uck up. I hope people don't bash this kid because he is a very extremely talented hockey player and from what I have seen in interviews a really nice down to earth kid.

I am not knocking Snyder but people always tend to make someone with major injuries in a same vehicle car crash a victim and the driver a villian.


This is, bar none, the dumbest thing I have ever read on these boards.


As soon as snyder stepped into the Ferrari do you think he was saying "hey Danny make sure you do the speed limit"...no he wanted to ride in a ferrari...you know what I mean.


I take that back. This is.

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The 2 situations are VERY DIFFERENT!!

i hope this is sarcasm... if not, i suggest reading 101

buffaloed

thanks. This is what I thought. He may be like stephen ames and bob probert. Well known athletes whose careers were side-tracked a little because of immigration issues.

This is, bar none, the dumbest thing I have ever read on these boards.



I take that back. This is.



I would agree, although IMO alot of the stuff that's being said about this situation is idiotic. I think Heatley is getting off EXTREMLY easy in alot of people's minds around here.

Heatley will have to obtain a waiver if he's convicted of a crime or he won't be allowed to reenter the USA from Canada. Customs isn't going to let him reenter when it's a well publicized case they should know about, or they'll be on the hook if Heatley has another accident. Whether a waiver is granted depends on the seriousness of the conviction, and who's willing to take the heat if he has another accident. I can't imagine him being deported, but the reentry issue is serious. Having spent 2 glorious summers working for US Customs at the Peace Bridge, I can tell you that I would not let him reenter without a waiver.

"If you have a criminal record, no matter how minor or how long ago the offence, you may be refused entry to the United States… Under U.S. law, a pardon issued by Canadian authorities is not recognized for purposes of entry into the United States." "U.S. ports of entry are computerized and connected to a centralized database. Information is readily available on criminal convictions in both Canada and the United States. Even though you may have entered the United States without hindrance in the past, you could run into difficulty if your record shows a criminal conviction or a previous denial of entry. Attempting to gain entry without a waiver could result in several weeks of detention at a USINS facility." "If you have a criminal record, you should contact one of the USINS ports of entry well in advance of travel to the United States."
http://www.accmontreal.ca/border.html#usa16


Good info. Heatley will likely get probation considering the seriousness of the injuries if he doesn't do jail time. That certainly puts him in the situation Buffaloed describes. Having read quite a bit like everyone else about Heatley I'm guessing that is the least of his worries right now next to the health of his teammate and friend.

For everyone who does not see the point to my post...I am not saying forgive him because he is a hockey player...all I am saying is cut him a little slack because he is still a kid...If Snyder was not laid up in the hospital right now you guys would not be so harsh with your criticisms towards him.

As I know it is also mandatory to wear your seatbelt and Snyder obviously was not wearing his...I understand Heatley faces all types of charges...the law is the law and I understand that but I heard someone saying the Snyders familly should file a civil suit...typicall american always quick to sue someone.

Heatly is a nice kid I have seen him play hockey since his days in junior...he was always polite and down to earth when he was interviewed...All I am saying is give the kid a little compassion because he will need after the events that occured.

And no I do not beleive athletes should get a break and for that matter should not face stiffer penalties either.

Someone else above saying he should rot in jial...for what speeding and losing control...holy **** thank god you donèt run the country I would probably get 2 years for J walking.

I hope both players have a speedy recovery and that Snyder is able to play hockey again

Since the point of the criminal justice system is basically to punish and rehabilitate 'criminals', I'm betting that, unless a judge/jury is particularly draconian, Dany may be considered to have already 'served his time' between knee/jaw rehab, impact on career/earnings and mental anguish. What would society gain by putting him behind bars?

For everyone who does not see the point to my post...I am not saying forgive him because he is a hockey player...all I am saying is cut him a little slack because he is still a kid...If Snyder was not laid up in the hospital right now you guys would not be so harsh with your criticisms towards him.

As I know it is also mandatory to wear your seatbelt and Snyder obviously was not wearing his...I understand Heatley faces all types of charges...the law is the law and I understand that but I heard someone saying the Snyders familly should file a civil suit...typicall american always quick to sue someone.

Heatly is a nice kid I have seen him play hockey since his days in junior...he was always polite and down to earth when he was interviewed...All I am saying is give the kid a little compassion because he will need after the events that occured.

And no I do not beleive athletes should get a break and for that matter should not face stiffer penalties either.

Someone else above saying he should rot in jial...for what speeding and losing control...holy **** thank god you donèt run the country I would probably get 2 years for J walking.

I hope both players have a speedy recovery and that Snyder is able to play hockey again

First off:

Snyder may be living the rest of his life wearing a helmet and having full time nursing care. The chances of him playing hockey in the NHL at this point are not good at all. At this point, I'd call it a pipe dream. This is going to sound brutal and blunt, but you don't seem to be getting it, so here goes:

Snyder is more likely to play hockey in the Special Olympics than the NHL.

Second:

If Snyder wasn't hurt, of course people would be cutting Heatley a lot more slack. The fact of the matter is that Snyder did get hurt, very severely. The fault for this (unless some crazy event occured, like a malfunction of the car, or Snyder putting his foot on the gas pedal) lies with Heatley, and ONLY with Heatley. He was the one in control of the car at the time of the crash.

Third:

He's not a kid. He's in his early 20's, he went to college, I'm sure he was smart enough to realize what happens when you crash a car at 80mph on a winding suburban road.

Fourth:

Snyder may have been wearing his seatbelt. Did you see the photos of the wreck? The passenger side seatbelt is ripped in half. This was not a little fender bender here. The car was absolutely devastated.

Fifth:

If I'm right (and I hope I'm not, I hope Dan Snyder has a beats the odds and has a great recovery) about the medical situation, the Snyder family is going to be paying for this for the rest of Dan Snyder's life. A civil suit in this situation would make perfectly logical sense.

I agree with Silver, and just want to that Snyder *was* wearing his seatbelt, the neurosurgeon said he was.

Since the point of the criminal justice system is basically to punish and rehabilitate 'criminals', I'm betting that, unless a judge/jury is particularly draconian, Dany may be considered to have already 'served his time' between knee/jaw rehab, impact on career/earnings and mental anguish. What would society gain by putting him behind bars?

Other people's lives won't be threatened by his reckless driving.

So if someone kills someone else, if they feel bad (mental anguish), they should get off?

What would society gain by putting him behind bars?

The deterrent effect might save some lives.