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236nOT 10-02-2003, 01:55 AM To Los Angeles: Pavol Demitra (6.5ml)
To St. Louis: Aaron Miller (3.5ml), Eric Belanger (750k) and 2004 3rd round pick.
With Allison's health in question the Kings could use a premiere center if only for the time being. Though Demitra has played primarily at left wing, he can be used at center and then revert back to a top line winger once Allison returns. The Kings are already in the market for a defenseman and though losing Aaron Miller devistates the defensive corps it simply puts them in a position to trade for a legitimate top line offensive defenseman, a need which they have refused to acknowledge since Blake's departure. If the Kings are serious about contending a marquee defenseman is a must and despite Aaron Miller's outstanding play he and partner Norstrom do not provide the offense from the rear to be considered a viable #1 pair. Losing third line center and faceoff specialist Eric Belanger hurts but considering coach Murray's love affair with Derek Armstrong his chances will once again be limited.
With Peter Sejna now holding tight to a left wing position along side Weight, and Tkachuk's ability to produce with a variety of centers (including Cajanek, Weight and Demitra) the Blues may well be inclined to lose Demitra's 6 million dollar pay check. The well recieved Petr Cajanek (800k) looks to be deserving of a top 2 line center position and consequently a more promising offensive role. Though Cajanek may not be the all star calibre player Demitra is his value to dollar ratio makes keeping Demitra an expensive proposition. Furthemore adding a top 2 defenseman like Aaron Miller who has been signed to a long term contract puts St. Louis back in front of the West Coast arms race that is top 4 defenseman.
Post trade
Deadmarsh Allison Demitra
Frolov Stumpel Palffy
Robitaille Armstrong Pirnes
Laperriere Avery Klatt
Norstrom Corvo
Modry Visnovsky
Tkachuk Cajanek Mellanby
Sejna Weight Bogiunecki
Martins Belanger Drake
Low Johnson Mayers
Pronger Miller
MacInnis Jackman
Like all proposals this is completely hypothetical, all opinions are welcome.
andora 10-02-2003, 01:59 AM me thinks you wasted a lot of effort typing
Ajacied 10-02-2003, 02:45 AM Me thinks you are a Kings fan..
MOOSE55 10-02-2003, 02:58 AM As a Kings fan I wouldn't do the trade cuz our blueline is suspect enough without losing Miller....if the blueline was better, I'd do the trade
degroat* 10-02-2003, 03:06 AM Me thinks you don't know much about Demitra.
He has never played LW in his 7 or so years with the Blues. He played RW for 2 years and center for every other year, including the last two years and he's slotted to center the top line of Tkachuk, himself, and Mellanby in the upcoming year.
I actually wouldn't have much of a problem with trading Demitra at all right now. John Pohl has emerged, but there is no spot for him. Obviously he's not going to be able to replace Demitra, but he could be very effective in Demitra's place.
Miller, IMO, is not a bad start, but I'd want better draft picks to go along with him. If the Blues were going to go after Joseph and unload Osgood (which would add $5M to the payroll), I'd really consider this to get the payroll back down.
236nOT 10-02-2003, 03:34 AM I have for the last two years watched Demitra play center on the top line between Tkachuk and Mellanby (thus Cajanek is slated in his position below). However, as you are aware Tkachuk takes many of the faceoffs in the offensive zone and therefore Demitra routinely lines up to the left. I was wrong to think Demitra was a left winger prior to Tkachuks arrival but for the last two years he has lined up as a center and/or left winger. This doesn't really change anything as Deadmarsh plays left wing to begin with and Mellanby has for two years been the number one right winger. Furthermore considering Bogiunecki looks to be ready for second line duty and Drake is likely good for 20 goals, the right side is hardly a weak spot.
Not too lowball you but this offer is considerably generous considering the offer which was recieved for Kovalev. Miller is a solid #2 defenseman and was chosen to play for the US Olympic team over Hatcher, Schneider and a host of others.
willie 10-02-2003, 04:44 AM While it is not a bad offer, it certainly is not "generous".
As mentioned above, if St.Louis was looking to add Joseph (and had a partner to dump Osgood) this might be a very tempting trade.
They would have to lose salary to add Joseph and this deal does just that. However, they could not be content to add picks/prospects and with Miller they are getting a terrific defenseman to solidify their defense core.
Belanger would also help by adding some scoring to the third line and being able to play in the top-6 in a pinch while his playing his solid all around game.
If they could somehow find a partner for Osgood, I would have think Joseph, Miller & Belanger > Demitra & Osgood.
And Pronger-Miller, MacInnis-Jackman?? :bow:
For the Kings, they would HAVE to have a deal lined up for another defenseman. (or two)
Their defense is INCREDIBLY soft. Losing Miller would completely ravage it. Without question they would have to add a player of similar ilk to Miller.
As for needing an marquee defenseman, why? Our defense, from a defensive standpoint, got BETTER after the Blake trade. And with Modry, Visnovsky & Corvo (who is poised for a big year, just watch) they are hardly inept on the offensive side of things. Not great but not horrible.
And what marquee defenseman are available?? MAYBE Gonchar. But are you prepared to deal Frolov, Grebeshkov, Brown etc.?? It would take a lot of assets to acquire someone like that.
Really the Kings need to add another tough, stay at home defenseman in addition to Miller. They may be lacking a "marquee" name but a Norstrom-Corvo, Miller-Modry, ?-Visnovsky defense is more than adequate.
Taking Miller out of the picture leaves two gaping holes.
jfont 10-02-2003, 05:23 AM Me thinks you are a Kings fan..
you make it sound like its a bad thing..
:D
Ajacied 10-02-2003, 05:26 AM you make it sound like its a bad thing..
:D
It is.. :p
Frenzy1 10-02-2003, 06:44 AM My concern w/ this trade would be Miller's age and the offensive hole it creates... He is 32 (not old by any means), but we are trading Pav, who I believe is 28 and coming off a 90 pt season. (And he is our best playmaker).
Blues have a major concern w/ proven scoring this year. We traded and lost Stillman and Rucinsky and don't have anyone that is proven to replace them. (Then again, every player was unproven at some point). I just don't see the Blues being able to replace his points along w/ theirs.
Pohl is ready to play in the NHL (we don't have a place for him) so maybe we could bring him up, but I wouldn't make this trade because of the potential hole it would create.
ginner classic 10-02-2003, 10:19 AM Aren Miller, E.bel, and Dustin Brown for Demitra and Backman would be a little more fair. Kings could pick up a guy like Simpson off waivers.
Darth Milbury 10-02-2003, 10:31 AM <sigh>
Blues would never do that deal unless in dire financial crisis, talent-wise they get ***** in that deal.
I completely agree. Miller would be the #3/#4 on the Blues and Belanger is a third-line checker. Not enough to get an elite forward like Demitra.
nikolai19 10-02-2003, 01:11 PM I don't think that would be enough to get Demitra. If LA wants Demitra (which I really don't see why we would) it would start with Frolov and probably include either Grebeshkov or Brown.
LA needs some defensive help first and foremost.
c-carp 10-02-2003, 04:15 PM To Los Angeles: Pavol Demitra (6.5ml)
To St. Louis: Aaron Miller (3.5ml), Eric Belanger (750k) and 2004 3rd round pick.
With Allison's health in question the Kings could use a premiere center if only for the time being. Though Demitra has played primarily at left wing, he can be used at center and then revert back to a top line winger once Allison returns. The Kings are already in the market for a defenseman and though losing Aaron Miller devistates the defensive corps it simply puts them in a position to trade for a legitimate top line offensive defenseman, a need which they have refused to acknowledge since Blake's departure. If the Kings are serious about contending a marquee defenseman is a must and despite Aaron Miller's outstanding play he and partner Norstrom do not provide the offense from the rear to be considered a viable #1 pair. Losing third line center and faceoff specialist Eric Belanger hurts but considering coach Murray's love affair with Derek Armstrong his chances will once again be limited.
With Peter Sejna now holding tight to a left wing position along side Weight, and Tkachuk's ability to produce with a variety of centers (including Cajanek, Weight and Demitra) the Blues may well be inclined to lose Demitra's 6 million dollar pay check. The well recieved Petr Cajanek (800k) looks to be deserving of a top 2 line center position and consequently a more promising offensive role. Though Cajanek may not be the all star calibre player Demitra is his value to dollar ratio makes keeping Demitra an expensive proposition. Furthemore adding a top 2 defenseman like Aaron Miller who has been signed to a long term contract puts St. Louis back in front of the West Coast arms race that is top 4 defenseman.
Post trade
Deadmarsh Allison Demitra
Frolov Stumpel Palffy
Robitaille Armstrong Pirnes
Laperriere Avery Klatt
Norstrom Corvo
Modry Visnovsky
Tkachuk Cajanek Mellanby
Sejna Weight Bogiunecki
Martins Belanger Drake
Low Johnson Mayers
Pronger Miller
MacInnis Jackman
Like all proposals this is completely hypothetical, all opinions are welcome.On the surface I can see where you came up with this because some are still under the impression that STL is looking to dump salary. I like Aaron Miller a lot as a player but the Blues are very high on Bryce Salvador and Matt Walker who are also cheap in salary and they just picked up Murray Baron who will add depth.
Blues D right Now
Mac-Baron
Jackman Pronger
Khavanov-Finley
Walker is hurt, So is Salvador but they will be back soon. At that time the D will look like this
Mac-Walker
Pronger-Jackman
Baron-Khavanov
Not bad to me
andora 10-02-2003, 04:21 PM shouldn't salvador replace baron?.. then the defence looks awesome
Spaceace 10-02-2003, 07:30 PM Salvador had wrist surgery,I think, in August or September. They said ot would keep him out until November;hence signing Baron. We'll see when the season progresses.
:banana: -----> dancing to "Kung Fu Fighting" :joker:
c-carp 10-02-2003, 07:53 PM shouldn't salvador replace baron?.. then the defence looks awesomeMy fault, once Salvy is healthy Bear goes to the pressbox.
Nick Blue 10-02-2003, 08:35 PM My fault, once Salvy is healthy Bear goes to the pressbox.
Sorry ccarp but the Bear wont be sitting for Walker.
c-carp 10-02-2003, 10:14 PM Sorry ccarp but the Bear wont be sitting for Walker.Walker was having a very good camp and will push Baron for ice time even with Q's love for veteran D-men. Also if he makes the squad out of camp he will have to clear waivers to go down wont he.
Nick Blue 10-03-2003, 06:15 AM Walker was having a very good camp and will push Baron for ice time even with Q's love for veteran D-men. Also if he makes the squad out of camp he will have to clear waivers to go down wont he.
I dont think so.
I think the pairings are pretty much set:
Pronger Jackman
Mac Baron
Salvador Khavanov
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