Canucks/Sharks GDT Oct 2/03

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Sharks - Canucks
Thu. Oct 2, 2003 7:30 PM
HP Pavilion - SJ

Post your predictions, comments and follow along here during the game!

Cooke better keep his head up out there. The Sharks aren't going to be too happy about him knocking Stuart out last game. Actually, guys like Ohlund and Naslund should probably be careful too, in case the Sharks are gunning for our star guys.

3-3 Tie!

4-1 Sharks

2-2 tie

5-3 Canucks.

The 'nucks are going to be playing these last 2 games like they are the regular season, so expect more domination like they showed last game.

Any ideas who's playing tonight?

Quote from SJ's official site: "On Thursday, the San Jose Sharks will host the Vancouver Canucks, in the second meeting in a week between the two teams. Last Sunday, the Sharks dominated Vancouver in a 4-1 victory in British Columbia. However, Thursday’s contest will present another challenge for the Sharks as they are playing second game in as many nights and returning home from Sacramento."

Geesh, how 'challenging' can it be to fly from Sacramento to San Jose or maybe the Sharks swam? :p

Excuses I say!

Canucks 4
Guppies 3

Edit: I looked around several sites for tonight's lineups but couldn't find anything. Does anyone know what they are? If so, please post them.

King is apparently playing with Naslund and Bertuzzi

Does mean Bertuzzi plays center?

Does mean Bertuzzi plays center?

That's what I'm wondering too...

I made a mistake, King is playing with Naslund and Morrison. Bertuzzi is not playing. Keane is also not playing.

I'll go with a 2-2 tie.

...hopefully someone kills Parker :mad:.

I made a mistakeMaking a mistake on this board and misleading the faithful is punishable by, by uh, by a fate worse than death.

You must don the Avs' jersey for the rest of the season and say three thousand times out loud: "Peter Forsberg rules and Markus Naslund drools." :teach:

4-2 Canooks.

I made a mistake, King is playing with Naslund and Morrison. Bertuzzi is not playing. Keane is also not playing.

Hmm... I wonder if this means that the Canucks brass has made their decision on whether to sign Keane? You'd think if they hadn't they'd want to see him play as many games as possible.

I think if they were going to sign him, they'd have signed him already and exposed him in the waiver draft. If they sign him afterwards, they have to expose one of their protected forwards and waive him through the entire league... risky business.

= If they sign him afterwards, they have to expose one of their protected forwards and waive him through the entire league... risky business.

I'm guessing that if Keane is signed, he will be the one that gets put on waivers. But the thing that does change is that if a team were to go for Keane during the waiver draft they would've had to expose one of their protected players - which some teams are reluctant to do - whereas on regular waivers I don't think this is true.

I'm guessing that if Keane is signed, he will be the one that gets put on waivers. But the thing that does change is that if a team were to go for Keane during the waiver draft they would've had to expose one of their protected players - which some teams are reluctant to do - whereas on regular waivers I don't think this is true.

You're right in that outside of the waiver draft, you can pick up players without having to send any of your "protected" players through waivers. I didn't really think about the possibility of putting Keane on waivers after signing him, and I think that's what they would do.

However, like I said previously, I suspect that a decision has already been made because Keane is not playing both of the last two exhibition games. If the decision was already made to sign him, it would have been easier for the club to get him through waivers at the waiver draft.

If Keane was signed before the waiver draft he would have had to either have been put on the protected list or exposed to the draft. If he is signed after the waiver draft he will either have to clear regular waivers or someone from the roster would have to clear waivers to make room for him. At least that is my understanding of it. I could be wrong.

Game on! :D

Hey, that was a really nice AmericUn anthem.

Moss? Aggggg! :(

Baumer at forward? I thought I heard Shorty say that...ODD...

I thought the 'Nucks were going with their 'full' lineup tonight?

I hardly think Moss could be considered a regular season player. :rolleyes:

Ricci-Rathje-Cheechoo...

1-0 Sharks

1-0 Sharks. Cheechoo (sp?)

Wooo hooo.

Have no idea who scored but it's 1-1 now!

Salo 2 (Chubarov, May)
Chubarov 1 (Ruutu, May)

22 seconds apart...

2-1 Nucks

who scored who scored who scored?

Darren Langdon is out with a groin injury... how on earth will the 'Nucks manage? :eek:

Nice shift for Chubby...Goal and an assist!

BTW, Salo now has 5 PTS in 5 games...

Boy do I ever LOVE the Salo-Schaeffer trade...

Wow. Cool.

Salo has been very impressive this pre-season. Good for Chubarov to get a goal.

My goodness, Captain Naslund needs to score soon!

Uggggg, 2-2 now.

Holy crap...

Moss caught behind the net :(

2-2

Vinny "I don't want a Cup" Damphousse...

Moss is really proving that he belongs in the league :rolleyes:

3-2 Sharks. :cry:

Who's Moss' backup?

4-2...

2 goals in 12 seconds...

4-2 Sharks

Ehrhoff
Primeau

4-2 Sharks. Bu bye Moss

is there an internet feed of this, the one from the sharks site isn't working atteh moment

Wow Moss sure is showing he's ready to prove himself at the NHL level...

If he whines one more time about being Auld's backup...

Wow, and an injured Hedberg is backup? This'll be a fun blowout.

is there an internet feed of this, the one from the sharks site isn't working atteh moment
CKNW

is there an internet feed of this, the one from the sharks site isn't working atteh moment
CKNW
or
CFAX

*Raises eyebrow*

4-2, and they're not even 3/4ths of the way through the first. When did we get transport ourselves to the 1980s? :confused:

Is it me, or do the Sharks always seem to beat the Canucks in this fashion? I seem to recall, it always (heh) sucks when the Canucks play the Guppies.

I wonder though, obviously Moss isn't playing well, but I find it funny that no one is critisizing the 'Nuck D. Hope Sportsnet shows the goals later, to see how bad Moss looked. Either way, it doesn't matter-hes our 4th string goalie.

Thanks!

End of 1rst.

4-2 Sharks.

Talk about flashbacks to the 80's...

I wonder though, obviously Moss isn't playing well, but I find it funny that no one is critisizing the 'Nuck D. Hope Sportsnet shows the goals later, to see how bad Moss looked. Either way, it doesn't matter-hes our 4th string goalie.
It might matter a little--he's the one that's going to be called up if/when Cloutier or Hedberg gets hurt. Burke plans on keeping Auld in Manitoba the whole year, so......

Of course, there's a chance Moss could get picked up on waivers or traded between now and at some point during the season (something I wouldn't doubt happening). We'll see what happens, I guess.

Thanks!For what?

i guess this is why Moss is still a minor leaguer. Funny how Ed Willis compared him to JS. This is good since after this performance Moss has nothing to whine about. i feel sorry for him, but this is a Professional league.

Yeah, so I'm thinking that whole "Sopel/Slegr" pairing is bad idea...

Ryan Ready is a cool - 3 right now :o

i guess it is clear choice if it comes down to Ready Vs Keane.

The dancing banana emoticon doesn't work.

What else can go wrong? :rolleyes:

Ryan Ready is a cool - 3 right now :o

i guess it is clear choice if it comes down to Ready Vs Keane.

I don't think there was much question before, but I agree that this will settle it.

:banana: :rocket: :hockey:


Banana power still works.

The Sharks DO have some sort of anti-Canuck mojo. It's mysterious, but they do. Other weird teams that always seem to beat us are Chicago (serious anti-Canuck mojo) & the New York Islanders.

The dancing banana emoticon doesn't work.

What else can go wrong? :rolleyes:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

The Sharks DO have some sort of anti-Canuck mojo. It's mysterious, but they do. Other weird teams that always seem to beat us are Chicago (serious anti-Canuck mojo) & the New York Islanders.


And Calgary. Hopefully those mojo would change this season.

:banana: :rocket: :hockey:


Banana power still works.

Show off. :p

Show off. :p


hehe, the Canada Vs China women world cup match is more entertaining.


Go Canada Go

:jump:

hehe, the Canada Vs China women world cup match is more entertaining.


Go Canada Go

:jump:

It's on sportsnet. I've got hockey on the radio and muted soccer on tv. Halftime now though...still 1-0 canada.

Testing Bananaman: Honestly, I don't get him.

It doesn't work for me. Really.

Why don't I get the Bananaman? :(

for posting an alternate link for the internet feed, the sharks one wasn't working

Germany and US are going to have a very tough semi-final.

If Canada can pass China, i think our ladies will be able to beat the Swedish girls, and maybe win the World Cup with penatly kick.


:hockey: :hockey: :hockey:


Did i mention that Hooper is amazing?

Testing Bananaman: Honestly, I don't get him.

It doesn't work for me. Really.

Why don't I get the Bananaman? :(



Did you type : banana : ?




for posting an alternate link for the internet feed, the sharks one wasn't working


Try www.cknw.com

Ryan Ready is a cool - 3 right now :o

i guess it is clear choice if it comes down to Ready Vs Keane.

Yeah, keep up King ... and play him ;)

+/- is such a USELESS stat...

Sorry just had to say that :D

+/- is such a USELESS stat...

Sorry just had to say that :D



Thats depend on the circumstance.

For a defenceman, it is a good indication.


For a foward especailyl for fourth liner than ya it is not all that reflective for the performance. For example Heatley and Kovalchuk play on the same team, but Heatley has better +/-, that does tell the difference between both players.


Heatley was -8 last season

Kovalchuk was -24 last season.

That is a handsome 16 goals difference.

+/- is such a USELESS stat...

Sorry just had to say that :D

It's a good team stat, but it still gets used way to much when people are talking about defensive ability.

Thats depend on the circumstance.

For a defenceman, it is a good indication.


For a foward especailyl for fourth liner than ya it is not all that reflective for the performance. For example Heatley and Kovalchuk play on the same team, but Heatley has better +/-, that does tell the difference between both players.

Disagree...

Unless you are really really far into the minus, or the plus, it tells absolutely nothing. There are five players on the ice, yet on any given goal only about a maximum of 3 defenders are actually involved in the play. Stupid, stupid stat. It works the same way on offense.

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Yay!

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Team stat?

You mean total goals scored vs. total goals against?

I'd agree on that...

But used individually, its completely and utterly useless in most cases, IMO anyways...

Disagree...

Unless you are really really far into the minus, or the plus, it tells absolutely nothing. There are five players on the ice, yet on any given goal only about a maximum of 3 defenders are actually involved in the play. Stupid, stupid stat. It works the same way on offense.


Ya, but -24 Kovalchuk is extreme don't u think?

i would not use the word stupid, it is a good team stat like maruk14 said. And there is obvious something about it since Bertuzzi has mentioned last season that he feels more pride getting a better +/- than points.

:star:

Not another inane discussion about the merits of +/-... http://www.ehsl.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif

Hey, no finger waving for you! :madfire:


:p

Team stat?

You mean total goals scored vs. total goals against?

I'd agree on that...

But used individually, its completely and utterly useless in most cases, IMO anyways...

Yep, that's what I meant ... I was just to lazy to type G-O-A-L D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T-I-A-L :D.

"Go Banana"- Ralph Wiggum

I think +/- is a misleading stat. Take for instance, Ohlund, he had a worse +/- than Jovo because Ohlund always has to face the other teams top players. Everyone acknowledges that Ohlund is a lot better defensively than Jovo, but if you were to take +/- seriously it would say Jovo is far superior to Ohlund defensively which is obviously false. There are too many variables involved with the +/- stat for me to take it that seriously.

It might matter a little--he's the one that's going to be called up if/when Cloutier or Hedberg gets hurt. Burke plans on keeping Auld in Manitoba the whole year, so......

Of course, there's a chance Moss could get picked up on waivers or traded between now and at some point during the season (something I wouldn't doubt happening). We'll see what happens, I guess.

He said it, but I don't believe him for a second. If either one of those guys goes down Auld will get the call, I believe. If Crow had confidence issues with Skudra how do you think he is going to deal with Moss?

Bertuzzi should worry more about learning to play D than about some silly stat. Just because a goal is scored while you are on the ice hardly makes you a bad defensive player. However, if that goal is scored as a result of your own shoddy defensive play, then you have reason to feel like a liability (which Bert certainly is).

Bertuzzi should worry more about learning to play D than about some silly stat. Just because a goal is scored while you are on the ice hardly makes you a bad defensive player. However, if that goal is scored as a result of your own shoddy defensive play, then you have reason to feel like a liability (which Bert certainly is).


Although i think Bertuzzi's defensive play is terrible for the most part, but it is better than it was couple seasons ago if you can believe that, however, that is another story. Don't get it wrong, i don't think +/- is good statistic if you look at it as black and white in all the case and it is indeed misleading, but i don't think it is useless.

Not to pick on Sopel, as I like him...

But say he falls down (I know, Sopel fall down? That's unpossible!), the other team goes on a breakaway and scores. That's a minus for 5 guys on the ice. For this reason, I refuse to put any merit whatsoever in that stat. Anyways...no more +/- talk from me (to appease FBI :D )

Not to pick on Sopel, as I like him...

But say he falls down (I know, Sopel fall fown? That's unpossible!), the other team goes on a breakaway and scores. That's a minus for 5 guys on the ice. For this reason, I refuse to put any merit whatsoever in that stat. Anyways...no more +/- talk from me (to appease FBI :D )



Good point , LOL, Sopel falls down, they should keep a statistic that count how many time a player fall down per game, i think Sopel will lead the league in that category.

Yeah :handclap:

Moss made a save ...... :banana:

(just looking for an excuse to jump on the banana smiley bandwagon before all the seats are taken) :banana:

Well at least Moss settled down after that awful start. I thought we were looking at a 10-2 type affair...

2nd period over, 4-2 still...

Ahh, back to the mind-numbing reality of 21rst Century hockey :)

Who needs goal scoring anyways?

wake me up in a week. :o

wake me up in a week. :o
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big save by the chinese keeper a second ago. I thought we had a 2nd.

:banana:

:banana: :rocket:

big save by the chinese keeper a second ago. I thought we had a 2nd.



Come on Come on, Hooper cannot afford to get another yellow card.

That was a test. Obviously it worked.

Everyone say: :banana:

There's no end to the :banana:

man is the color commentator for this soccer game a homer. she makes don cherry look like a leaf-hater.

hey magnus scored. neat.

Go Arvedsson!

Canada to Final four.


Now :banana: power to force the Canucks to tie the game.

May-Chubarov-Ruutu... hopefully that line plays together.

May-Chubarov-Ruutu... hopefully that line plays together.

So Lindgren then plays with Cooke/Linden? Can't say I like that idea much...unless you have something else in mind...

So Lindgren then plays with Cooke/Linden? Can't say I like that idea much...unless you have something else in mind...
Hmm...

WCE
Sedin-Sedin-Linden
Arvedson-Lindgren-Cooke
May-Chubarov-Ruutu?

So Lindgren then plays with Cooke/Linden? Can't say I like that idea much...unless you have something else in mind...

FWIW (not much), Cooke-Lindgren-Linden is a great line for me in ESPN NHL 2k4 ;) Lindgren has a much better scoring touch that chubs in the game. Anyway, Chubs does seem to be snakebitten most of the time...he gets the chances but has a lot of trouble burying the puck.

Hmm...

WCE
Sedin-Sedin-Linden
Arvedson-Lindgren-Cooke
May-Chubarov-Ruutu?

I keep seeing the Naslund-Morrison-Bertuzzi line referred to as WCE. Can somebody tell me what those letters stand for?? :dunno:
:banana: ----> Dancing to "Play That Funky Music"

West Coast Express

It all has to do with his hands. Chubarov has the worst hands on the team I reckon.

ooooh Nabokov robs King... too bad I would have liked to see King get that one. Man has he ever been dangerous this preseason. They better give him at least a couple games after the way he has played so far.

It all has to do with his hands. Chubarov has the worst hands on the team I reckon.

Or confidence...I think Chubs has more skill than Lindgren personally...hes just been so focused on being reliable defensively. I think Chubs will eventually be a consistent 40+ guy.

West Coast Express

Thank ya.

Damn it Canucks is one game below .500.


i know pre-season is irrelevent, but hopefully Canucks can finish it with a 500 record.