Thing I Love About Travis Green

Anyone who has watched the playoff the last couple years has SURELY noticed this!

Travis Green is a dirty SOB who wont hesitate at all to drill you in the face with crosscheck!

He will do ANYTHING to win!

He plays old time hockey...

* slash to the unprotected areas of the wrist
* sticks to the teeth
* butt end to the kidney
* blade poke to the groin

He is EXACTLY what this team needs! He has the dirty/mean streak in him that we need in the postseason.

Grosek plays this game also, as does Stock. But to FINALLY have a ne of the KEY guys play a game that shows he CARES is what we need!

Thornton just isnt that kind of guy...too laidback and easygoing. Muzz is as big a pansy as their is in this game. You couldnt get him to hit anything if you stuck a pistol to his temple.

But Green is a guy who can light that fire.

Just what we needed...

Here is to a season of teeth littering the ice and opponents bent over holding their groins and grabbing their kidneys!

A gamer was all I wanted and I gamer I finally have!

Later

I agree about Green and like that about him as well but I think that there are a few Canes, Brind' Amour specifically, that would disagree with you about Joe. The difference seems to be that Joe always gets caught when he plays that way,which IMO has caused him to lay off a bit recently. JMHO

Sooner

* slash to the unprotected areas of the wrist
* sticks to the teeth
* butt end to the kidney
* blade poke to the groin

Just what we needed.

Whew! Maybe that's what you needed, but it sounds a wee bit painful for my taste. (backs slowly away from Jeff...)

PS - I didn't realize Green was that type of player. I haven't really seen him since his early days on Long Island, and I just remembered him as a typical proto-forward. Good to hear he brings something "needed" to the table.

Anyone who has watched the playoff the last couple years has SURELY noticed this!

Travis Green is a dirty SOB who wont hesitate at all to drill you in the face with crosscheck!

He will do ANYTHING to win!

He plays old time hockey...

* slash to the unprotected areas of the wrist
* sticks to the teeth
* butt end to the kidney
* blade poke to the groin

He is EXACTLY what this team needs! He has the dirty/mean streak in him that we need in the postseason.

Grosek plays this game also, as does Stock. But to FINALLY have a ne of the KEY guys play a game that shows he CARES is what we need!

Thornton just isnt that kind of guy...too laidback and easygoing. Muzz is as big a pansy as their is in this game. You couldnt get him to hit anything if you stuck a pistol to his temple.

But Green is a guy who can light that fire.

Just what we needed...

Here is to a season of teeth littering the ice and opponents bent over holding their groins and grabbing their kidneys!

A gamer was all I wanted and I gamer I finally have!

Later
I didn't realize he was that abrasive- but knew he was a quality player and 'someone' told me before he was even selected it was odd that Toronto would do that because he's a pretty good player. Well, to hear he ended up then as a Bruin makes me pretty pumped.

Btw- your assessment of Jillson is right on- he looks like a guy who may have a very long career and thankfully it may be as a Bruin. Lets hope its Kyle who?

ThorntoNeely...

Thats exactly what he is.

Last year against Philly, he was slinging that stick all over the ice! he is edgy and wont hesitate to pitchfork yo if it wins a game!

And 2 years ago against the Isles and Sens, he was even nastier than he was last year! he and Steve Webb had a few moments of stickwork that would make a sqeamish fan turn away.

I love that about him.

He doenst care who you are.

He will stick his stick in your groin and skate off!

PJ Stock did this as well when he was a Flyer and a Ranger. He changed his game uponm coming here and lost that something that would have made him even better!

Guys like this keep opponents on edge...gotta love it!

Later

I agree about Green and like that about him as well but I think that there are a few Canes, Brind' Amour specifically, that would disagree with you about Joe. The difference seems to be that Joe always gets caught when he plays that way,which IMO has caused him to lay off a bit recently. JMHO

Sooner

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I think that Sean Hill and Eric Desjardins may disagree with the statement about Joe too.

We're a nasty nasty team right now, at least when it comes to forwards :)

Jeff, I thought that was one of your biggest criticizms of Joe, that he was a chaep player with his stick, and should stand up and drop the gloves rather than poke and slash?

I'm glad to see Green on the B's. I'm looking forward to seeing his edge when toronto comes into town. MOC has done a great job in the last year.

Jeff makes some good points on Travis.

Firstly though, I'd like to commend the Bruins for making this happen. A very nice addition.

For one; we get an experienced Center with size,who can take a faceoff, and has a shot at an "effective" 50 points.

Secondly; I believe this addition made us stronger, at the expense of a divisional rival (Toronto).

Not bad.

What Jeff alludes to is accurate (in part). It depends which Travis shows up; "Playoff Travis" or "Lazy Travis." These two have been playing in the same shirt for 800 NHL games, and more.

I'm betting that we'll get the good guy, with fire in his belly and a renewed spirit. I really think the Bruins nation will take to this guy.

Besides, today we wake up a better hockey club. Let's face it; 800 NHL games of cumulative experience vs. maybe 12 (Hilbert and Zino) in such a crucial spot on the team. Well, you can't quantify that.

I believe this team just improved by about five to ten points, and if healthy, has a shot at challenging those in the Top 5.

jeff, once again you open your mouth(keyboard i suppose) and something ridiculous comes out.

Muzz is as big a pansy as their is in this game

where do you get off saying that? how many 40 goal scorers in the history of hockey have been what you would consider UN-pansy? murray doesnt drop the gloves, ill grant that. he hustles all over the ice, goes into corners, camps infront of the crease. and you call him a pansy.... jeeze, that pisses me off to be honest. Was middleton a pansy? in your opinion that is? how about kurri? was he? hmmm how about ratelle?

while i do agree with alot of what you say, as i think we are both have alot of the same old time hockey roots.. but since when does every player on the roster have to drop the gloves?

muzz is tough as nails and strong as an ox. "pansy" hardly describes him at all.

glenn

jeff, once again you open your mouth(keyboard i suppose) and something ridiculous comes out.



where do you get off saying that? how many 40 goal scorers in the history of hockey have been what you would consider UN-pansy? murray doesnt drop the gloves, ill grant that. he hustles all over the ice, goes into corners, camps infront of the crease. and you call him a pansy.... jeeze, that pisses me off to be honest. Was middleton a pansy? in your opinion that is? how about kurri? was he? hmmm how about ratelle?

while i do agree with alot of what you say, as i think we are both have alot of the same old time hockey roots.. but since when does every player on the roster have to drop the gloves?

muzz is tough as nails and strong as an ox. "pansy" hardly describes him at all.

glenn

I have to agree with Jeff here. It's not about dropping the gloves when it comes to Murray for me, it's just he has a power wingers build and he skirts around out there sometimes. While "pansy" may be a bit harsh, Murray is a lamb out there. I'll never forget last season when Joe got the third man in penalty because Murray refused to drop them with Andy Sutton. Like I said, "pansy" is harsh, but not too far off, IMO.

Anyone know if he'll be in the lineup for today's game?

while playing senior hockey in NS back when i was still slim=-), our top goal scorer got goaded into a fight by one of the thugs on the truro bearcats team. he proceeded to get the snot royaly beat out of him.

put up zero fight.

we all patted him on the back for trying after the game, and our coach came in the lockerroom and screamed at us all to shut up. he turned to the guy and said, "Do you plan on getting in any more fights this season? cause if you do, give me your jersey right now and dont come back."

At this point in the season i think that he was leading the league or second in points and really was a talented player, he could skate, shoot, and was quite a good body checker too. Point coach was making was.. if you can't fight, don't try. i happen to agree with this. some guys are not expected to fight. murray doesnt go banging the body around on the end boards, but he goes there...

i guess i am a bit biased with murray, but i still dont see any credence to calling him a pansy. a pansy wont play in traffic, or camp in front of the net. a pansy would throw temper tantrums when they get the business end of a craoss check or an elbow. glen does none of this.

folks, we had cam neely. we will never have him again.

Anyone who has watched the playoff the last couple years has SURELY noticed this!

Travis Green is a dirty SOB who wont hesitate at all to drill you in the face with crosscheck!

He will do ANYTHING to win!

He plays old time hockey...

* slash to the unprotected areas of the wrist
* sticks to the teeth
* butt end to the kidney
* blade poke to the groin

He is EXACTLY what this team needs! He has the dirty/mean streak in him that we need in the postseason.

Grosek plays this game also, as does Stock. But to FINALLY have a ne of the KEY guys play a game that shows he CARES is what we need!

Thornton just isnt that kind of guy...too laidback and easygoing. Muzz is as big a pansy as their is in this game. You couldnt get him to hit anything if you stuck a pistol to his temple.

But Green is a guy who can light that fire.

Just what we needed...

Here is to a season of teeth littering the ice and opponents bent over holding their groins and grabbing their kidneys!

A gamer was all I wanted and I gamer I finally have!

Later
Jeff, I hope your were jesting or making tongue in cheek remarks about Green. I mean, surely you wouldn't want a player who would crosscheck an opponent to the face; or deliberately injure a player's kidneys. Please say you were joking.

You said that is just what the team needs. Is that what you think of the beautiful game of hockey, that we need to stoop to barbarianism?
Tell me you're just kidding. Because if you're not, and if Green pulls any of the crap you describe while in a Bruins uniform I hope they throw him out of the league.

Tell me you're only jesting.

Gotta agree with Scotia.......I don't think Murray is a pansy.......he just isn't a fighter........no big deal.........he's good at what he does though. But man oh man......I wish he had that killer instinct......cuz with his size and strength, he could be dangerous.

And not trying to speak for Jeff here (so I apologize if it seems like I'm doing that), but I don't think Jeff is espousing the acts themself....but moreso the attitude that goes along with it. The "I'll go through a brick wall, for the team, and do whatever it takes to win" attitude.

Gotta agree with Scotia.......I don't think Murray is a pansy.......he just isn't a fighter........no big deal.........he's good at what he does though. But man oh man......I wish he had that killer instinct......cuz with his size and strength, he could be dangerous.

And not trying to speak for Jeff here (so I apologize if it seems like I'm doing that), but I don't think Jeff is espousing the acts themself....but moreso the attitude that goes along with it. The "I'll go through a brick wall, for the team, and do whatever it takes to win" attitude.
I can accept that. But Jeff seemed to go on and on espousing the type of violence that civilized people are trying to put a stop to in the NHL...and elsewhere.

The Greens,Lapointes, Boyntons ... These are people you wanna have on your team when playoff time rolls around ..
They'll battle to the death .. Maybe Joe and Rolly can learn something from these guys ..

jeff, once again you open your mouth(keyboard i suppose) and something ridiculous comes out.



where do you get off saying that? how many 40 goal scorers in the history of hockey have been what you would consider UN-pansy? murray doesnt drop the gloves, ill grant that. he hustles all over the ice, goes into corners, camps infront of the crease. and you call him a pansy.... jeeze, that pisses me off to be honest. Was middleton a pansy? in your opinion that is? how about kurri? was he? hmmm how about ratelle?

while i do agree with alot of what you say, as i think we are both have alot of the same old time hockey roots.. but since when does every player on the roster have to drop the gloves?

muzz is tough as nails and strong as an ox. "pansy" hardly describes him at all.

glenn

Ya gotta wonder about a guy who thinks Michal Grosek brings anything to the table :)

Seriously though, Muzz is far from a panzy, he is not a fighter, but that is hardly a good guage for toughness. Calling one of our most consistent performers a pansy and giving Michal (When I grow up I wanna be Cam Neely but will never be 1/50th the player he is) Grosek a pass is oppressed by some severe bias.

Ratty, you need dirty players to succeed in the NHL. My team, the Canucks have a bevy of 'em (Bertuzzi, Cooke, Ruutu is perhaps the next Bryan Marchment..). You can't win many games without some guys on the ice who can 'even up the score' now and then.

If you don't like it, *shrugs*, tune in a baseball game.

Ratty, you need dirty players to succeed in the NHL. My team, the Canucks have a bevy of 'em (Bertuzzi, Cooke, Ruutu is perhaps the next Bryan Marchment..). You can't win a hockey game without some guys on the ice who can 'even up the score' now and then.

If you don't like it, *shrugs*, tune in a baseball game.
If Travis Green deliberately injures a player's kidney, or throws a crosscheck to his face, he'll be suspended in a McSorley second.
And, rightfully so.

I don't agree we need this type of dirty hooliganism in today's hockey.
Maybe you do. Give me guys with grit, who are not afraid to throw clean checks and muck in the corners without spearing. The game is great enough without the type of activity Jeff was talking about. Do you want to get someone killed, or maimed? Because that is what will eventually happen if the refs and the league don't continue to ban that kind of behaviour.

Later, Ratty

well I don't consider Murray to be a "pansy".

and I really don't want this thread turning into "define a pansy" either.
Murray will take abuse but won't dish it out as far as I'm concerned . There have been hundres of players like him. Some in the HOF , some great all-time Bruins if we stop to think about it.

Also, I doubt Jeff is in any way espousing that essentially he wants to see a Bruin assault somebody.
I also won't speak for him but my gut tells me it's more of an attitude he was looking for as someone else said here.

well I don't consider Murray to be a "pansy".

and I really don't want this thread turning into "define a pansy" either.
Murray will take abuse but won't dish it out as far as I'm concerned . There have been hundres of players like him. Some in the HOF , some great all-time Bruins if we stop to think about it.

Also, I doubt Jeff is in any way espousing that essentially he wants to see a Bruin assault somebody.
I also won't speak for him but my gut tells me it's more of an attitude he was looking for as someone else said here.
If it were an "attitude" he was expressing, Wally, he sure had a strange way of expressing it. But then, again, you can't speak for Jeff.

One thing I like about the b's this year is that there are no Pansies left. McIllness was a through and through pansy. There are so many terrible players on other squads that would never lift a finger to help another player. Muzz will go in the corner and help out. Muzz gets knocked around all the time. Muzz will stick his nose into scrums. So he's not Bertuzzi. But he also is no Cashin or Krapryia or Turdgeon. He just focuses on being as effective as possible. Hitting people won't make you a 40g scorer. If Lapointe spent more time playing heads up hockey rather than trying to be Mr. Tough Guy hitting people late, then a.) He'd be a greater asset to the team and b.) maybe he wouldn't have so many hamstring injuries.

Mr. Tough Guy hitting people late, then a.) He'd be a greater asset to the team and b.) maybe he wouldn't have so many hamstring injuries.
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Have you honestly convinced yourself that his hamstring injury has something to do with hitting people late? I will give you a chance to retract that before I become overwhelmed with laughter.

If Travis Green deliberately injures a player's kidney, or throws a crosscheck to his face, he'll be suspended in a McSorley second.
And, rightfully so.

I think you have to take those comments in jest. Frankly, I wouldn't necessarly agree with all that was mentioned. Green isn't that 'dirty' of a player. Does he lose his cool at times? Yeah. Will he stick up for his teammates and hold guys on the opposition accountable? Absolutely. He also whines a bit :teach: I agree with Mizral though; you need these types of players in the game today.

Ratty, you need dirty players to succeed in the NHL. My team, the Canucks have a bevy of 'em (Bertuzzi, Cooke, Ruutu is perhaps the next Bryan Marchment..). You can't win many games without some guys on the ice who can 'even up the score' now and then.

If you don't like it, *shrugs*, tune in a baseball game.
The Nucks remind me of the Broons West- only not as good depth wise but certainly capable of taking a few or maybe 3 in a seven game series vs the Broons; nice team though- fun first line; maybe the best in hockey when Sammy plays second line

I guess I need to clarify ALL my remarks...Lets begin:

MURRAY- yup, I called him a pansy. May have been harsh, but here is my reasoning. I could care less if a guy fights. But I`ll disagree BIGTIME about Murray being tough on front of the net! he is not tough at all on a consistent basis! He seldom hits the crease/slot! he plays near the circles where there is little real hitting! Sure, he works a corner once in a while....as do Hilbert and Axelsson. He is a BIG man who will not play big! he used to play big...remember his firsdt years as a Bruin? Didnt score much but man he was a hitter!

And one thing that I saw from him in the NJ series almost made me throw up...kit was so gutless and COWARDLY! He was totally taken out of that series by the Devils that he was useless. At the end of game 3 I thk it was he came screeching from one end of the ice to the other and drilled a guy in the back of the head with a punch. The guy was tied up with, I believe McGillis....and here comes tough guy Murray throwing his FIRST hit of the entire series! That was gutless and cowardly.

Dont get me wrong...I like Glen Murray. I liked him when he Smoke and Czerkawski played together from time to time. But I dont think he is tough at all.

P.S......PLENTY of 40 goal scorers were TOUGH, scotia.

GREEN and VIOLENCE:

Here is the one that you`ll REALLY want to kill me for :)

While I dont want to see a Bruin maim anyone, this stuff that I talked about DOES have a place in todays game! Fighting does jack crap to deer cheap shots and vilent play. Anyone who feels it does, really ought to have their head checked :)

That said, I feel that EVERY team needs a guy who is WILLING to throw a butt end to the kidney or give and take crosschecks to the teeth!

As I said, its not something that I want to see every night, but it IS a necassry evil in todays game.

In those Islander- Leaf games...Webb foought Domi and Robertss went with Wbb and others as well. NONE of that did anything to stop anything! Well once Green and Corson started the crosscheck game, thinsg started calming down.

Might have been coincidence, but it was what happened. Series remained chippy, but the Tucker on Peca and Roberts on Jonsson junk stopped after guys like Green and Corson showed that they were willing to knock some teeth out, at the expense of losing some of their own!

I am not a proponen of needless violence, but I`ll tell you what....GORDIE HOWE and guys of his stature in his day and age played the game the way Corson and Green played it! And that was the BEST of times for the NHL!

Sticks flew, gloves dropped and at the end of the day, guys respected each other.

Some old time hockey is good even today!

Later

Interesting note from the Sun today:
But Green almost didn't become a Bruin. The Sun has learned that Leafs general manager John Ferguson thought he had a deal on the table to re-acquire Green from Columbus, but the forward had already been moved on to Boston. Ferguson last night refused to comment.

Link (http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2003/10/04/216789.html)

I personally don't believe it for a second. If the Leafs intentions were to keep Green, they would have easily exposed Belak or Perrott ahead of him.

every Leaf fan I hav talked to is HAPPY that Green is gone.

I dont see why, but they are.

Not enough room for him with Sundin, Neiuwendyk and Reichel on the roster.

And I know he wouldnt accept 4th line minutes without causing a stink.

Good upgrade for us and Leafs make out well because they lose the 1.6 contract AND add Petr Tenkrat in the waiver draft!

Later

I disagree with this description of Green. I don't think he's an overly nasty player. In fact I think he's more of a "go with the flow" type. In Toronto, he displayed more of a mean streak because he was lined up with the Domis, Corsons, Tuckers and Belaks. Without them, he's not nearly as mean and nasty.

Regardless, he's still a valuable forward as he does score some big goals and is strong in the faceoff circle. But if I'm building a championship, Green is not the type of player I would be too interested in having. Not strong enough all-around to be a quality checking/shut down center, not skilled enough to be a scoring line center.

He'll add depth and be a solid player, but not a great player to have in the long run.

Travis Green was a great addition to The Bruins. Plus it only cost a 6th rounder! He is a gritty player, good defensivly, solid offensivly and a great faceoff man.

I will say this about Green. MOC deserves total credit for getting this guy. Two words.... ABSOLUTE STEAL!
I've watched every preseason game for the leafs on Leafs TV and Parrott has been a delight to watch, but the reasoning behind Green's exposure was due to Perrott's play and the leaf fans demanding of him being on the leafs. Ferguson was tied, he needed to expose one or the other. Green was seen as an alliance member with Corson/Tucker etc that management wanted to get rid of.
Leafs better hope Perrott continues his excellent preseason play into the regular season.
I never thought I'd say this...but this move was a gem by MOC. :handclap:

time for my 2¢....
I'm glad the B's added Travis Green.

this guy plays with a scowl on his face....and I agree a little with Jeff that he can be one of those "old school" nasty guys. He can be a bit of a whiner too (ok, maybe because he wore that blue leaf....), but I see him as being a consummate "team guy."

hey, they got him in the waiver draft, so don't expect 1st or 2nd line scoring from this guy....but a nice old-time Bruins guy. And at the expense of the Laffs is even better!

I like it.

Can't wait 'til next Wednesday.

Lauri from Tacoma

every Leaf fan I hav talked to is HAPPY that Green is gone.

I dont see why, but they are.

Not enough room for him with Sundin, Neiuwendyk and Reichel on the roster.

And I know he wouldnt accept 4th line minutes without causing a stink.

Good upgrade for us and Leafs make out well because they lose the 1.6 contract AND add Petr Tenkrat in the waiver draft!

Later

Jeff';

keep in mind - that this board transcends the state of Maine/
when you 'suppose' to know what Leaf fans are talking about, you often miss the point. Travis Green was a 4th line player here/ but a fourth liner who willl be missed.
I don't think you really understand the bead of Toronto/ but feel free to continue to guess.

The Greens,Lapointes, Boyntons ... These are people you wanna have on your team when playoff time rolls around ..
They'll battle to the death .. Maybe Joe and Rolly can learn something from these guys ..

I believe that Jeff has stretched, and overstated this issue. I think he may be reaching. Can't be you say?

Duguay...Whats your point?

I dont know a SINGLE Leaf fanin Maine,FWIW.

So basically, I get ALL of my Leaf info from Leaf fans IN or NEAR Toronto itself!

EVERYTHING I post regarding the Leafs is something I got from a friend or friends in Toronto or its outskirts.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make here.

Certainly the couple dozen Leaf fans I know are not all of Leafs Nation. But they ARE among the true DIEHARD Leaf fans!

And I believe what they tell me. Which is:

* They rather have the freed up 1.6 million PLUS Tenkrat, than an guy like Green who would have had to accept 5-10 minutes of ice per night to keep a job.

Other die hard Leafs fans, such as yourself, likely take an opposing view I guess.

But most whom I have spoken with are happier with an extra 1.6 mill, less whining, more Perrot and Tenkrat.

Later

Ratty, you need dirty players to succeed in the NHL. My team, the Canucks have a bevy of 'em (Bertuzzi, Cooke, Ruutu is perhaps the next Bryan Marchment..). You can't win many games without some guys on the ice who can 'even up the score' now and then.

If you don't like it, *shrugs*, tune in a baseball game.



JUST LIKE THIS BOARD NEEDS TROLLS ... :joker:

Duguay...Whats your point?

I dont know a SINGLE Leaf fanin Maine,FWIW.

So basically, I get ALL of my Leaf info from Leaf fans IN or NEAR Toronto itself!

EVERYTHING I post regarding the Leafs is something I got from a friend or friends in Toronto or its outskirts.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make here.

Certainly the couple dozen Leaf fans I know are not all of Leafs Nation. But they ARE among the true DIEHARD Leaf fans!

And I believe what they tell me. Which is:

* They rather have the freed up 1.6 million PLUS Tenkrat, than an guy like Green who would have had to accept 5-10 minutes of ice per night to keep a job.

Other die hard Leafs fans, such as yourself, likely take an opposing view I guess.

But most whom I have spoken with are happier with an extra 1.6 mill, less whining, more Perrot and Tenkrat.

Later

No Jeff, it just sounds like your Superman with Frequent Flyer Points at times. Conte and Trapp don't profess to know as much about Hockey as you do! (that's a joke, dude)
It just can't go uncorrected - when I'm feeling a completely different vibe - in the same place that you talk about.
No sweat. Had way too many beers last night, and I get chippy just like an old Canadian Hockey Player does. Two minutes for me.

JUST LIKE THIS BOARD NEEDS TROLLS ... :joker:

.. Speaking of trolls..

The Nucks remind me of the Broons West- only not as good depth wise but certainly capable of taking a few or maybe 3 in a seven game series vs the Broons; nice team though- fun first line; maybe the best in hockey when Sammy plays second line

Actually, I agree, the Canucks are quite similar to Bruins West. Our prospect base, like the Bruins, are amongst the worst in the league. Our top players are clearly a touch overrated, but not bad I guess. Perhaps the most striking similarity is our second line scorers, defensive play, and goaltending - all of which are atrocious.

I guess we'll both have trouble rooting for teams that are a 50/50 chance to make the playoffs. Hopefully one of us gets lucky.

Anyone who has watched the playoff the last couple years has SURELY noticed this!

Travis Green is a dirty SOB who wont hesitate at all to drill you in the face with crosscheck!

He will do ANYTHING to win!

He plays old time hockey...

* slash to the unprotected areas of the wrist
* sticks to the teeth
* butt end to the kidney
* blade poke to the groin

He is EXACTLY what this team needs! He has the dirty/mean streak in him that we need in the postseason.

Grosek plays this game also, as does Stock. But to FINALLY have a ne of the KEY guys play a game that shows he CARES is what we need!

Thornton just isnt that kind of guy...too laidback and easygoing. Muzz is as big a pansy as their is in this game. You couldnt get him to hit anything if you stuck a pistol to his temple.

But Green is a guy who can light that fire.

Just what we needed...

Here is to a season of teeth littering the ice and opponents bent over holding their groins and grabbing their kidneys!

A gamer was all I wanted and I gamer I finally have!

Later

Good call Jeff.

When I saw Green bring his stick up into Marshalls face and
nailed him in the neck I was thinking of this post.

After a few more games opposing players might think twice
before heading into contact.

Good call Jeff.

When I saw Green bring his stick up into Marshalls face and
nailed him in the neck I was thinking of this post.

After a few more games opposing players might think twice
before heading into contact.

Too bad it cost the Bruins a goal.

It was a dumb penalty to take. Too many more like that, and I won't be praising Green much at all.

Jeff, I hope your were jesting or making tongue in cheek remarks about Green. I mean, surely you wouldn't want a player who would crosscheck an opponent to the face; or deliberately injure a player's kidneys. Please say you were joking.

You said that is just what the team needs. Is that what you think of the beautiful game of hockey, that we need to stoop to barbarianism?
Tell me you're just kidding. Because if you're not, and if Green pulls any of the crap you describe while in a Bruins uniform I hope they throw him out of the league.

Tell me you're only jesting.

JFM's overall point is spot on. Hockey teams need a couple of guys like this to succeed when push comes to shove comes to spear in the playoffs. It ain't tiddlywinks out there. People outside of Bruins Nation regarded our beloved Cam as exactly this sort of player, i.e. the sort that would pretty literally do whatever it took to win the game, whether than means going around someone or through them.

JFM's overall point is spot on. Hockey teams need a couple of guys like this to succeed when push comes to shove comes to spear in the playoffs. It ain't tiddlywinks out there. People outside of Bruins Nation regarded our beloved Cam as exactly this sort of player, i.e. the sort that would pretty literally do whatever it took to win the game, whether than means going around someone or through them.

Please change your avatar...Too depressing.

I saw it. I thought he was damn lucky not to draw a "Match Penalty"..


I love tough hardnosed hockey....but... I have my druthers about cheap shots.

Did everyone except Stock miss the massive cross check he laid out last night against Grant Marshall??

He had his stick right in his neck! Absolutely flattened Marshall.

He is one dirty SOB.

I agree with Jeff in that we need a player like this.

Just to bad his cross check cost us a goal.
If his dirty cheap shot resulted in a goal which cost us a win, why would you agree with Jeff, that this is the kind of guy we need?

Travis Green has other skills. I hope for the sake of the team he refrains from this kind of thuggery. This is just the type of play the league is cracking down on. I'm surprised he only got two minutes. The hit looked pretty ugly.

I like the fact that he has "it" in him to actually hit Marshall like that, but it's not something I want to see him do regularly.

I like the fact that he has "it" in him to actually hit Marshall like that, but it's not something I want to see him do regularly.
What do you mean? It's OK to occasionally take your stick a jam it into a player's throat? Is it OK as long as you don't make a habit of it?

How would you react if, say, Tie Domi crosschecked Nick Boynton like that? Is it OK if we do it, but other teams can't?

I really don't know how some people still believe this conduct has any place in hockey.

I think that it has a place based on the fact that it happens. Not just by Green or the B's for that matter. The board check that Berard recieved that wasn't called, one minute into game one of last years B's - Devils series was just as bad and it wasn't even called. There are dirty players on every team. No team can afford not to have that type of player, political correctness or not.

yea ..someone with heart,grit and a little bit of talent ...those are the kinda players that win in the playoffs, , , we aint gonna fully apreciate t. green until april/may of 04.
seriously lacking in those kinda players since the late 80`s when we had--- byers,miller,plett,kluzak,crowder, neely(of course)
oh yea ---those teams consistantly was a power house in the playoffs year in year out.

I'm not sure it was intentional.
I only saw the replay once, but to me it
looked like Green looked up at the last second
and saw Marshall coming, so he raised his arms
up.

I think teams need players that get under the
other teams skin, just as long as no serious
injuries are involved.

Getting "under another player's skin" is one thing. You can do that, legally, in many ways. But putting your stick to a player's throat with both your hands on it will get under his skin eventually and literally and possibly with tragic results.

Look. I love good body checks, like any other guy. I appreciate a player who is physical, has "grit", clears opposing players away from the net, muscles players off the puck, hits hard in the corners, etc. But this use of the stick HAS GOT TO STOP!

Are we going to wait until we have a death on the ice before our eyes before we wake up and stop supporting this violence.

It seems that people who condone and cheer on this kind of behaviour, have no appreciation for the beauty of the sport of hockey, the skating, stickhandling, passing, etc.

No, we, as fans shouldn;'t be complacent that "every team has a goon so we need one, too". The league is cracking down on this stuff. I hope it does more.

Now, I'll get off my pulpit! Sorry for the sermon.

As someone mentioned a couple posts ago...

You will see the REAL VALUE of Travis Green in the playoffs!

When Stevenson or Rasmussen run/board Samsonov into the boards and NOBODY rushes to their defense...you will understand why we need a guy or 2 like Green!

HE is the guy who will answer that with a crosscheck to the mouth...and that is okay!

Hockeys BEST days were the days of Howe, Richard et al. And that era was characterized by crosschecks, stickwork and fighting.

Those were the glory days of the NHL.

While I am not advocating a descent into a league full of stickswinging thugs...

These guys have their place and an important job.

Also regarding Green....

The shift right before his crosscheck to the face of Marshall, he followed up the Hal Gill drilling of a Devil with his own well placed elbow to the jaw Madden!

This guy is a guy anyone would want in the NHL trenches with them!

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No Ratty! DONT BACK DOWN off your pulpit! Stand up for your beliefs! They are just as valid as mine!

I simply dont agree...and thats okay for both of us.

Listen...I have to totally agree that this game is beatiful. Beauty left the game of hockey when expansion began to dilute the talent pool and teams of nobodies and guys with subpar skills needed to find a way to compete with the big boys!

And it has gotten progressively worse. And it isnt just an NHL thing. Its tied directly to the change in philosophy with our kids. We teach defense and systems before we teach stickhandling and target shooting.

We teach how to bottle up th neutral zone before we teach the drop pass.

Hockey is a game of UGLY now!

And until this game of ugly gets chopped down at its roots, teams at the professional level need the guys like Green, because everyone else has 2 or 3 of them...at MINUMUM!

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Your love of stick swinging is well documented.

I suppose the fact that getting thrown off the ice for what he did cost the Bruins a goal doesn't mean much to you. We don't give up the power play goal, we win the game 3-2.

It's obvious you'd rather win the stick swinging brawl.

I call it like this..its the first game of preseason..and some people got nailed..case in point when, I forget which Jersery defender, handed the puck to Gomez in a bad spot and he got smoked by Mccarthy..few more games in, and I bet you wouldnt see that type of pass...I give Green a little leeway only because it was reactionary and not done on purpose, and its the beginning of the season...to call him dirty already is a bit premature...everyone is still shaking the rust off, its gonna take some time to adjust to the speed of the play

I'm with whatsbruin here. Didn't look intentional, more of a reaction move. Not a good idea, but I can see why it might have happened.

Ratty,

Can I ask you why you want to make this a confrontational thread?

I CLEARLY have said that your opinion is valid...you insist on attacking me and my views.

If you cant have a MATURE discussion on this you might as well tell me right now so I dont waste my time with you.

As Dirt was saying, Marshall was going to crush Green with a HIGH shot....Green got him FIRST!

BTW...you take tremendous liberties with my posts...I am well doucmented for my love of stickswinging???

Show me where that is the case!

I am not a fan of stickswinging...I AM a fan of HOCKEY!

And HOCKEY is a game played by strong fast men who play with sticks and who need to DEFEND themselves, as well as be PROACTIVE wih their aggression.

Maybe hockey is a bit too tough of a sport for some to stomach, but it is what it is...physical, tough and aggressive.

Please respond without the attacks.

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That was purely a reaction from Green, as Marshall was coming after him to level him. Green stood up to him. Good for him. This is what is missing from the team- guys who not only stand up for themselves, but teammates as well. Had Green skated over to him and did this, then yes, it would be a dirty cheapshot. However, Marshall had him lined up, Green saw him just in time to defend himself.

I loved watching Green in the Play Offs. This guy won't take a night off- he's a battler to the end. I know some fans won't agree with me on this, but after what I've witnessed in the last couple of Play Offs from the Bruins, this guy and McCarthy are like a breathe of fresh air around here.

Your love of stick swinging is well documented.

I suppose the fact that getting thrown off the ice for what he did cost the Bruins a goal doesn't mean much to you. We don't give up the power play goal, we win the game 3-2.

It's obvious you'd rather win the stick swinging brawl.

WOW....getting a litle upset there. I think over all Jeff's right....not as far as being the be all is stick swinging brawls.....but at this point in today's NHL the opposing team has to be in fear of it. why else would HILL have wacked Sansonov in the knees like he did? No fear of retaliation and to get away with what they could. It's painfully obvious that the B's had NOONE to keep the other teams honest and when Jumbo Joe got fed up and took things into his own hands we all crucified him for it.

I don't think baiting Jeff is fair, you both have valid points and I think Jeff agrees with you, it's not possible to be that clean and have a chance against today's pugilists. And NO, Stocker ain't gonna keep the hacks honest, but he will keep us entertained....

in a contact sport violent things are gonna occur. if they dont you have figure skating with sticks. lets not make hockey politically correct. mike milbury thought he was Jesus and told his team to turn the other cheek. they have lacked toughness ever since.


This is 100% absolutely true. Mike Milbury queered this team many years ago and literally they have never regained that same attitude they had before it.

I dont condone piling up fighting majors, dont condone stick work, but I do condone very aggressive, very physical play and any time someone takes a shot at one of your guys it must be answered. I dont care who answers it, but *everyone* has to know it is their job to do so.

We can only thank god that Mike Milbury choose to run the Islanders into the ground before he could continue to F up our organization. Can you imagine that if Milbury had been our GM he would have traded Joe Thornton for Oleg Kvasha. Worst GM in the league...BY FAR!

2 years ago, The Isles were known as one of the leagues TOUGHEST teams to play against!

- Cairns, Scatchard, Webb, Peca, Weimer

Those were just a few of the grunts and grinders that team had.

Sure, they lost some of it with the Yashin, Kvasha acquisitions. But Milbury put together a team that most people didnt want to muck it up with too much!

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in a contact sport violent things are gonna occur. if they dont you have figure skating with sticks. lets not make hockey politically correct. mike milbury thought he was Jesus and told his team to turn the other cheek. they have lacked toughness ever since.
If you read my posts I am not advocating figure skating or "political correctness". I stated that good, hard, clean bosy checking is good as well as physical stuff in the corners and in front of the net.

What I can't understand, is why a true hockey fan would condone a player using his stick, especially to the head. To me, this is not hockey the way it should be played.

To say that every team has a goon or two or a dirty player or two, justifies our having one as well, doesn't cut it with me. The league should enforce the rules so that no team HAS to enlist dirty players.

No one has commented unfavorably so far that, in addition Green's check, which could have done serious damage, the resulting penalty cost us a goal. The final score was a 3-3 tie.

Just wait until a player on another team takes a stick and injures one of our players. The vitriol you'll see expressed on these boards will be endless.

2 years ago, The Isles were known as one of the leagues TOUGHEST teams to play against!

- Cairns, Scatchard, Webb, Peca, Weimer

Those were just a few of the grunts and grinders that team had.

Sure, they lost some of it with the Yashin, Kvasha acquisitions. But Milbury put together a team that most people didnt want to muck it up with too much!

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Worst GM in the league....bar none, end of story. Tough to play against? Are you serious? This guy has gotten rid of Bertuzzi, Luongo, and Brewer to name a few. Those are guys that would be tough to play against. The guy tries to overmanage, manages on emotion, and isnt very good at it.

I am serious. You dont have to agree with me....you never do anyway, so why start now?

But those Islanders WERE a tough team! The Leafs had a very physical tough bunch, and the Islanders matched them punch for punch, slash for slash, spear for spear!

Just because they gave away a few guys who were tough means they lost it all?

BTW...Brewer was not in any stretch of the imagination a tough player during his first couple years. he blossomed last year!

Bertuzzi? YUP, a HUGE loss in the toughness area. But they made up for it with a very TEAM oriented approach to toughness!

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If you read my posts I am not advocating figure skating or "political correctness". I stated that good, hard, clean bosy checking is good as well as physical stuff in the corners and in front of the net.

What I can't understand, is why a true hockey fan would condone a player using his stick, especially to the head. To me, this is not hockey the way it should be played.

To say that every team has a goon or two or a dirty player or two, justifies our having one as well, doesn't cut it with me. The league should enforce the rules so that no team HAS to enlist dirty players.

No one has commented unfavorably so far that, in addition Green's check, which could have done serious damage, the resulting penalty cost us a goal. The final score was a 3-3 tie.

Just wait until a player on another team takes a stick and injures one of our players. The vitriol you'll see expressed on these boards will be endless.


Ratty there seem to be two things at work here that will easily clear things up. First, I don't think that most hockey fans would condone the stickwork that goes on and if they had their choice would like to watch clean, physical, good hockey. The problem with this is that the league does not do enough to eliminate the stickwork, therefore it still exists, therefore some players still commit these infractions, therefore most teams have that type of player(s). I agree that none of us would like to see one of our players get injured by a cheapshot, but I personally think that it is less likely to happen if there are a few players who have no problem with responding in kind, on the roster.

I am serious. You dont have to agree with me....you never do anyway, so why start now?

But those Islanders WERE a tough team! The Leafs had a very physical tough bunch, and the Islanders matched them punch for punch, slash for slash, spear for spear!

Just because they gave away a few guys who were tough means they lost it all?

BTW...Brewer was not in any stretch of the imagination a tough player during his first couple years. he blossomed last year!

Bertuzzi? YUP, a HUGE loss in the toughness area. But they made up for it with a very TEAM oriented approach to toughness!

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They may have been physical, cheap shotters, or good fighters, but they didnt win a playoff round so I dont see how they could have been that tough to play against.

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To say that every team has a goon or two or a dirty player or two, justifies our having one as well, doesn't cut it with me. The league should enforce the rules so that no team HAS to enlist dirty players.

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This is not realistic. Look, the Bruins don't really have any goons. We have a barely effective fighter/mascot. We also have some guys like McCarthy, Green, LaPointe who won't brook any bull$%&! from the opposing teams -- this is the important part. If we are going to skate guys like Bergeron and Sammy, you've got to have people around to handle the occasional yahoo who tries to run someone. I really can't believe there is this much angst over someone hitting Marshall of all people.

I think it was my comment that kind of started this whole debate, so I should say my stance on the issue. I like Travis Green because he has that nasty streak in him, and won't back down from anybody. I didn't really LIKE when he cross checked him in the neck, but I like that he isn't afraid to in order to send a statement. We need more guys like him in a couple of years when our kids mature and we start making playoff runs.

They may have been physical, cheap shotters, or good fighters, but they didnt win a playoff round so I dont see how they could have been that tough to play against.


I agree with Jeff here, many of us have played hockey and other sports at varying levels and there are those teams that you just don't want to play, regardless of how talented/successful they are. I played catcher on some very good fast pitch softball teams when I was younger and there was one team that we beat handily almost every time. The only problem was that they would NEVER slide into home plate. I knew that every play at the plate was going to result in a collision. It got to the point that (despite my protests) if we had a big enough lead the coach would put the backup in late in games just to save me from getting injured. They weren't a good team, but I hated playing them 2x a year.

I agree with Jeff here, many of us have played hockey and other sports at varying levels and there are those teams that you just don't want to play, regardless of how talented/successful they are. I played catcher on some very good fast pitch softball teams when I was younger and there was one team that we beat handily almost every time. The only problem was that they would NEVER slide into home plate. I knew that every play at the plate was going to result in a collision. It got to the point that (despite my protests) if we had a big enough lead the coach would put the backup in late in games just to save me from getting injured. They weren't a good team, but I hated playing them 2x a year.


Ok, I give up....they are a tough team to play against that arent very succesful. Semantics.......