CAMP? 3 significant postives no major negatives

DKH
10-05-2003, 03:19 AM
One month ago we wondered what Sergei Samsonov would be like? From what I saw he was the Samsonov we saw dominate last October. Huge. And lets no forget he could have been a holdout....

Goaltending- I'd say Potvin and Raycroft have looked good to very good since the shelacking at the hands of the Wings nearly 2 weeks ago. Since we live in a 'what have you done for me lately world' I'd say Potvin has righted the ship and looks like he'll play well enough. Raycroft has let in maybe one bad goal and been composed as heck. With Boynton back and veteran group infront of him I see no reason why this tandum can't be atleast in the middle of the pack for goals against/save % by the end of the year. One are the Broons defense should do well at is clearing out infront of the cage. The guys are big and for the most part are a tough group. They may not have the look of the 79 Habs in transition but eliminating rebounds SHOULD be one area they are decent at.

YOUTH: whereas Morrisonn, Hilbert, Samuelsson some of our most thought of prospects didn't either play or make cause for a certain spot three kids did. Bergerson, Jillson and Toivonen all showed in camp they can be key contributors down the line. All three give the impression they may have long successful NHL careers. Its not unrealistic to think all will be in Boston this year at some time and thru experience and continued maturity be top 6 forward, top 3 defenseman and top goaltender. The others may still make contributions this year and I would bet atleast one will- but for now these three players at three different positions showed the highest upside.

Their were a few negatives- 3 injuries: two to key second tier players Lapointe and Zamuner but both should be playing within a month; Hilbert has never got of the ground but the Broons can be patient with him; the question is can Hilbert be patient with himself. He will certainly get his chance at some time and should take solace that the coach knows him well and his attitude in Prov will be watched as much as his skill. He should be fine- but can he make it in Boston?

Zinovjev experiment was the biggest disappointment- lessened somewhat by the Bergeron arrival. Hopefully the Broons have made arrangements to have a support system in place for this apparent home sick kid. I think its huge he gets a dozen games in the AHL healthy and see what type of skills he has. I'd have him in some type of one on one hour long class everyday learning the language, the landscape you name it- Intro to US 101. My gut is he's outa here- never underestimate Siberia in the Spring :joker: MOC and co need to do everything to keep him here till November. Most people who can see the light at the end of the tunnell and have a date to work with can suck it up and work towards that date- here's hoping Zino's heart is in it enough to give it a legit effort.

Other areas that were positive was the addition of Travis Green. He adds depth and a smart, savy game. He'll be invaluable in the final minutes of periods and especially killing the couple of one goal leads late in the game in Toronto. I expect him to get 2 open netters in Leaf land and give it the peace sing sans one finger to the GM box.

One other thing- don't feel good about the Sox today but they get by this one and have Pedro tommorrow I like our chances big time. Starters ERA's on three days rest is 15.00 the last 15 years of post season. Wow; BUT I expect one of Hudson or Zito to buck those odds and pitch a good game- here's hoping its not Hudson. Scary game today because the bullpen is a mess after last night- this game scares the crap out of me and I'd almost be willing to bring in Pedro in 6th or so today to finish it out and go with Wake in game 5 and have Timlin, Williamson and co ready to do whatever it takes in game 5. BTW- Kim looked unhittable the other night- problem was he's been hittitng the opposition- it was the first time he hit 94 all year which is where he used to be. I say if they get to game 5 and beyond this guy has to pitch and pitch well....keep your fingers crossed. I want this 4th game more than Pats if had druthers...GO SOX/GO PATs...but especially Sox

Jeff from Maine
10-05-2003, 03:33 AM
I agree mostly DKH.

But...there was a HUGE disappointment to be:

1. The play of Samuelsson and Huml. This was a HUGE disappointment to me. IMHO, they are going to end up being busts. Maybe its early to totally write them off. But neither of them have any fire. Huml is a sniper who cant shoot at the NHL level. And Samuelsson, well its obvious that he has every tool in the shed, but that NONE of them is a high calibre tool! He has something of everything. But he does nothing well. His puck skills are way below NHL calibre.

I am also wondering if this kid is a smoker. I cant rememeber ever seeing a guy huff and puff as much as this kid does. Nobody on that team is wheezing like him. Many Europeans come here, in basketball as well, with the cigarette as their #1 nemesis. I`m wondering if thats something he does. he appears so out of shape its not even funny.

Cam Mann comes to mind when I think of these guys.

Hopefully they turn it around.

Later

WhamBamCam8
10-05-2003, 05:23 AM
I agree mostly DKH.

But...there was a HUGE disappointment to be:

1. The play of Samuelsson and Huml. This was a HUGE disappointment to me. IMHO, they are going to end up being busts. Maybe its early to totally write them off. But neither of them have any fire. Huml is a sniper who cant shoot at the NHL level. And Samuelsson, well its obvious that he has every tool in the shed, but that NONE of them is a high calibre tool! He has something of everything. But he does nothing well. His puck skills are way below NHL calibre.

I am also wondering if this kid is a smoker. I cant rememeber ever seeing a guy huff and puff as much as this kid does. Nobody on that team is wheezing like him. Many Europeans come here, in basketball as well, with the cigarette as their #1 nemesis. I`m wondering if thats something he does. he appears so out of shape its not even funny.

Cam Mann comes to mind when I think of these guys.

Hopefully they turn it around.

Later


I agree somewhat with Huml, but I think it's way to early to judge Samuelsson. It wouls still take a pretty decent player for me to part with either of them.

Still a Bruin fan
10-05-2003, 05:33 AM
I think we're on the same page with the positives and negatives.

Sticking to the negatives-

Huml has been the biggest problem child.
He was given every advantage to succeed playing with the team's top forwards and only held them back.

I generally agree with Jeff about he and Samuellson although it's much too early to call Sammy2 a bust.
Look how long it took for Axellson to get any credit for his game.
Most people wondered if his lack of scoring was worth him being kept around. Sammy 2 can learn some things about how to play the game from Axe.
Samuellson needs to look at the other swift swede, Axe, and try to be that type of player, only using his more physical style to his advantage.
If he develops some offense too, then he's what I think he should be, and that's a solid 3rd line type with a 2 way game.
I'd move Huml before Sammy 2. If he winds up lighting up the AHL then I look at offers for his services.
Huml was supposed to stake his claim this year and didn't do it.

Zinovjev has been tossed aside with the play of Bergeron and now the trade for Green.
We'll know if he even has a chance of being a player soon enough.
The guy needs to grow up.
He didn't bother trying to learn English while playing in Russia and seemingly was uninterested in the NHL all along.
Now it appears he's homesick already.
If he wants to play in the NHL, then prove it.
If not, then stop wasting everybody's time and go back to where you been.

The camp also showed Morrisonn needs another year in the AHL.
He played pretty well when called up to the Bruins last year.
He's close.

Who's Hilbert?

One other thing...
Burkett is horrible.
Unless the umpire is calling strikes 6 inches off the plate, he has no chance of winning today against Hudson.
It stinks the season comes down to getting hammered today in their own park.
I'd pitch Pedro today and hope Wake has one of those games he's capable of in Oakland.
He'd be the perfect game 7 guy, other than Pedro, with the anxious and sleepy A's trying to hit that knuckler.
Grady blew it by taking out Timlin in game 1.
I was furious when I saw Blown -save- Kim walk out there.

Bruwinz37
10-05-2003, 06:24 AM
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One other thing...
Burkett is horrible.
Unless the umpire is calling strikes 6 inches off the plate, he has no chance of winning today against Hudson.
It stinks the season comes down to getting hammered today in their own park.
I'd pitch Pedro today and hope Wake has one of those games he's capable of in Oakland.
He'd be the perfect game 7 guy, other than Pedro, with the anxious and sleepy A's trying to hit that knuckler.
Grady blew it by taking out Timlin in game 1.
I was furious when I saw Blown -save- Kim walk out there.
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The problem wasnt Kim in game 1. Yes, he shoud not have walked and hit those guys, but he was blowing smoke and the hitters werent touching him. PLUS Durazo has opposite splits....he is better against lefties! Embree has no significant split! Kim should have been left in, Embree hasnt gotten anyone out of significance in months.

Second....no way you ever use Adrian freakin Brown in a pinch hitting role. STUPID.

Third, you dont walk a TERRIBLE hitter in Terrance Long intentionally when he has an 0-1 count.

Finally...to tie this to the Bruins...thank GOD Gump Little doesnt coach hockey.

DKH
10-05-2003, 07:53 AM
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One other thing...
Burkett is horrible.
Unless the umpire is calling strikes 6 inches off the plate, he has no chance of winning today against Hudson.
It stinks the season comes down to getting hammered today in their own park.
I'd pitch Pedro today and hope Wake has one of those games he's capable of in Oakland.
He'd be the perfect game 7 guy, other than Pedro, with the anxious and sleepy A's trying to hit that knuckler.
Grady blew it by taking out Timlin in game 1.
I was furious when I saw Blown -save- Kim walk out there.
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The problem wasnt Kim in game 1. Yes, he shoud not have walked and hit those guys, but he was blowing smoke and the hitters werent touching him. PLUS Durazo has opposite splits....he is better against lefties! Embree has no significant split! Kim should have been left in, Embree hasnt gotten anyone out of significance in months.

Second....no way you ever use Adrian freakin Brown in a pinch hitting role. STUPID.

Third, you dont walk a TERRIBLE hitter in Terrance Long intentionally when he has an 0-1 count.

Finally...to tie this to the Bruins...thank GOD Gump Little doesnt coach hockey.
I think the one mistake was pulling Kim- he was really brining it at mid 90's and looked to me like he would have gotten Durazo. Everything changed on that move- he lost Kim, lost the game and probably lost the series. Had Kim got the last out I feel the Sox win the series- they still may, but with Hudson and Zito needing only one win and Burkett pitching yikes. The ump will be huge and hopefully he'll give the outside corner to Burkett. I'd be tempted to bring in Pedro in a close game around the 6th and come back with Wakefield and everyone for game 5 tomorrow night. Risky but then you could open with Pedro if they ever got to the next series. I've got two TV's side by side and watching with only the dog....I have that tension usually reserved for Broon playoff games back at the Gah-den. Exciting but very, very scary. Burkett can be very good or a train wreck. Two out of four he's very good, one out of four he's horrible and the other time so-so. Later, but my day has been pretty good so far so I'm looking for things to keep going good. The Pats could get blown out and if the Sox win I'll be ecstatic.

Magnus Fulgur
10-05-2003, 07:54 AM
Jeff, I've often thought that Samuelsson is a smoker. He can go so damn fast, but then he's flushed and huffing. One would think that if you can go fast, that you could cool down easily and not get worn down. All last year there were comments made about his "conditioning". Well, he's not fattish, and he looks strong. So, what else could be the problem? He definitely seems like a smoking hockey player to me. He's got to choose one or the other. Middleton and those guys smoked...but they played against other smokers. You can't smoke and play against non smokers, period.

Bruwinz37
10-05-2003, 08:03 AM
Jeff, I've often thought that Samuelsson is a smoker. He can go so damn fast, but then he's flushed and huffing. One would think that if you can go fast, that you could cool down easily and not get worn down. All last year there were comments made about his "conditioning". Well, he's not fattish, and he looks strong. So, what else could be the problem? He definitely seems like a smoking hockey player to me. He's got to choose one or the other. Middleton and those guys smoked...but they played against other smokers. You can't smoke and play against non smokers, period.

Didnt Al Iafrate smoke over a pack of reds a day?

Gary
10-05-2003, 08:07 AM
Didnt Al Iafrate smoke over a pack of reds a day?

i recall reading a article on big al and he smoked alot for sure. the article talked about what he COULDVE been. they suggested that he only ever played up to 70% of his potential and COULDVE been one the best ever with more effort/heart. i agree.