Nintendo reminds me why I hate them

Big McLargehuge
09-15-2005, 10:51 PM
http://www.1up.com/media?id=2308865


That, folks, is the super grand ultra super controller that Nintendo has been so worried about people copying because of it's fantastical fanasticness.

It's a ****ing TV remote...with a string attatched to a joystick...errr...what the hell?



Man....they haven't done anything right since deciding to scrap the PlayStation add-on...

Sec of Partying Down
09-15-2005, 10:58 PM
Seems very awkward to me, but it might work. Who knows? It must have it's perceived advantages.

Verbal Kint*
09-15-2005, 11:01 PM
Actually, trying to imagine what it would be like to handle, I think it might have its advantages. Still ahve to wonder how hard it'll be to get to some of the buttons on the remote part.

Unholy Diver
09-15-2005, 11:02 PM
http://www.1up.com/media?id=2308865 (http://www.1up.com/media?id=2308865)


That, folks, is the super grand ultra super controller that Nintendo has been so worried about people copying because of it's fantastical fanasticness.

It's a ****ing TV remote...with a string attatched to a joystick...errr...what the hell?



Man....they haven't done anything right since deciding to scrap the PlayStation add-on...
and you keep reminding us that you are a ****ing video game geek

WeedMan
09-15-2005, 11:29 PM
http://www.1up.com/media?id=2308865


That, folks, is the super grand ultra super controller that Nintendo has been so worried about people copying because of it's fantastical fanasticness.

It's a ****ing TV remote...with a string attatched to a joystick...errr...what the hell?



Man....they haven't done anything right since deciding to scrap the PlayStation add-on...
You play video games way too much.

golfmade
09-16-2005, 12:09 AM
Looks pretty cool to me.

Firefly
09-16-2005, 01:03 AM
I'm excited about it, something different.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334p1.html

An over the top video of what could be done with the controller, but still, there's tons of potential in this. Even something as simple as a golf swing, or a bat, or fishing. First person shooters are a natural with this controller, as IGN admits. Adventure, RPG, sports, racing, FPS, Strategy, Fighting...the way we play them all could be transformed. It's going to be a lot more intuitive and involving. Did I say I'm excited?

DeleteThisAccount
09-16-2005, 01:25 AM
http://www.1up.com/media?id=2308865


That, folks, is the super grand ultra super controller that Nintendo has been so worried about people copying because of it's fantastical fanasticness.

It's a ****ing TV remote...with a string attatched to a joystick...errr...what the hell?



Man....they haven't done anything right since deciding to scrap the PlayStation add-on...
People like you are what's killing the video games industry. Why don't you go choke Hollywood down some more, too?

Seriously, one small bit of change and all you ridiculous anti-change whackjobs start damning Nintendo to the seventh level and back. Why not just try something new for a change? If you don't like playing the kiosk at Walmart, then don't buy it. Stop immediately writing new stuff off, it's ruining it for the rest of us.

Chilly Willy*
09-16-2005, 01:27 AM
That remote doesn't look pleasing to use. I mean a game remote makes you keep both hands together, if you have something that is separate like that, your tempted to move around your arms and what not and yeah...whatever it looks stupid.

I had gamecube, i gave it to my sister...RIP Nintendo, you tried.


I will never part with my Nintendo and SNES though...NEVER! Hopefully the new system they come out with, if and when, will be good.

Big McLargehuge
09-16-2005, 07:09 AM
People like you are what's killing the video games industry. Why don't you go choke Hollywood down some more, too?

Seriously, one small bit of change and all you ridiculous anti-change whackjobs start damning Nintendo to the seventh level and back. Why not just try something new for a change? If you don't like playing the kiosk at Walmart, then don't buy it. Stop immediately writing new stuff off, it's ruining it for the rest of us.


When did anything Nintendo has done new in the past 10+ years turn out right? The closest thing they've done to not sucking was the damn rumble pak. I'd probably give them the benefit of the doubt if they've done anything right.

DeleteThisAccount
09-16-2005, 11:12 AM
When did anything Nintendo has done new in the past 10+ years turn out right? The closest thing they've done to not sucking was the damn rumble pak. I'd probably give them the benefit of the doubt if they've done anything right.
What they've done right is not putting out the same damn system every two years with a little faster CPU and some more polypushing power. How much do the PSX, PS2 and XBox actually differ in architecture design? These are three systems that are essentially the same (from a developer standpoint) and differ only in performance. Developers have been sticking with the "same old, same old" philosophy because they're afraid of losing customers like you, who simply will not accept change. Even the PSP is just a glorified Gameboy with a few pointless features added in. Why not just accept the possibilies that something with two screens, a motion-sensing controller, or whatever, has to offer?

Riddarn
09-16-2005, 11:36 AM
Haha. :biglaugh:

Development doesn't always mean progress. That controller looks unpractical (to put it mildly)

xtra
09-16-2005, 02:01 PM
I am sorta torn.... i don't see how games like Zelda would work with revolution unless they use the GC controller.... but just imagine the possibilities for something like Football being donovan McNabb and rolling out using the thumb stick and then Throwing the ball down the feild with the Remote or swinging a baseball bat Heck even tennis would be fun to play on on video game systems.

Shooting games are going to be fun with this remote...the possibilites are endless but there are some limitations.

But i think Nintendo has done something very smart since before you would only really buy one of hte 3 systems but now MOST* people would choose their favorite between xbox360 and PS3 depending on the 1st party games they like more such as Halo vs. whatever PS has and then but revolution because games GROUP party games are going to be the best in a long time...plus the fact that we will have good RTS games on Revolution should help too.

golfmade
09-16-2005, 03:04 PM
From cnet.com

Controller: Nintendo had hinted that the controller would be the truly "revolutionary" thing about its GameCube successor, and the company did not disappoint. Unveiled at the Tokyo Game Show on September 16, the wireless Revolution controller has the appearance of a wandlike remote control you might use to change the channels on your TV. In fact, it uses a motion sensor, so the movements in your hand can be translated onscreen--imagine, for instance, sword-fighting as Link in a next-generation Zelda title with actual parry and thrust moves, instead of just mashing buttons. In addition to the motion sensor, the controller features a four-way directional pad and two sets of buttons, including an over/under trigger configuration. Flip it on its side in a horizontal orientation, and the controls revert to old-school Nintendo--the D-pad on the left, two buttons on the right--a configuration recognizable to any Game Boy or NES player. It also features an expansion port that allows for the connection of an analog joystick and other control options. But while no one will doubt that the Revolution's controller is unique, is it so radically different from what gamers are used to that it won't appeal to the masses? Opinion seems evenly divided for now, but it will certainly take users getting some literal hands-on experience--and seeing how Nintendo and third-party software developers exploit the controller in its next wave of games--before a verdict is in.

Bubbles
09-16-2005, 03:12 PM
Number of people who have held this controller and played a game with it: 0
Number of people who criticize something without knowing anything about it except a picture: infinity

Moon Man*
09-16-2005, 03:33 PM
Man....they haven't done anything right since deciding to scrap the PlayStation add-on...

Says the guy from mushroom kingdom...

guinness
09-16-2005, 05:51 PM
I've already commented about this at Neowin (only 20+ pages of Nintendo fans vs. not). I don't see it as all that 'revolutionary' (an accelerometer (which has been done before in a controller) and a IR pointer all together in a TV remote...). But the proof is in the pudding, until the games come out, it's all speculation as to how well it actually performs.

I wonder if you can use two of those controllers at once, one in your left hand, the other in your right...

TVanek26*
09-16-2005, 06:35 PM
Meh,I don't play console games anymore except for Madden,and have only bought 1 console game the past 6 months (Madden)

Computer games is where it's at now, multiplayer,better graphics,better controls and more fluid gameplay.

DeleteThisAccount
09-16-2005, 06:48 PM
Meh,I don't play console games anymore except for Madden,and have only bought 1 console game the past 6 months (Madden)

Computer games is where it's at now, multiplayer,better graphics,better controls and more fluid gameplay.
Note that this post only really applies to EA games. Most other games are entirely the opposite. Any competently-developed console game will beat out a PC counterpart in at least 3 of those categories.

guinness
09-16-2005, 06:55 PM
Note that this post only really applies to EA games. Most other games are entirely the opposite. Any competently-developed console game will beat out a PC counterpart in at least 3 of those categories.

Depends futher still, FPS, online RPG's, GTA series, some other types of RPG's/simulations are better on a PC. Consoles are good because they're fool-proof: stick the game in, turn it on, play. Don't have to worry about drivers, conflicts, RAM, having a good GPU, etc. And even though on paper, the X360 and PS3 are more powerful than current-gen PC hardware, wait a few months after launch of either console, HW will swing back to the PC side. Having, said that, you can't get the same horsepower out of a PC for the same price as a PS3 or X360.

EA sports games suck on most platforms other than the old Genesis.

Firefly
09-16-2005, 09:47 PM
I wonder if you can use two of those controllers at once, one in your left hand, the other in your right...

Check out the teaser video, one of the snippets is of a guy drumming with two different controllers. I'd be willing to put money on it being possible to use two at a time.

4 people will be able to use 4 different ones at the same time. Hell, go back to the N64 and look at Goldeneye, how you could use two controllers to play the game. Even though that was RARE who made it, it's safe to say Nintendo is no stranger to a dual paddle control scheme.

Firefly
09-17-2005, 01:35 PM
Lots of good Revolution ytmnd's going up...

http://revolutionnoob.ytmnd.com/ <<my favorite.
http://revolutiongame.ytmnd.com/
http://nintendowins.ytmnd.com/
http://revsaved.ytmnd.com/

xtra
09-17-2005, 04:04 PM
Well this is for all of you "traditionalist" who don't belive the controller is a great idea.....There is an add on that makes it work as a normal controller:




http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html


Scroll down to the bottom

DevilFisch
09-18-2005, 02:52 PM
That's just a mock up from IGN. Who knows what it'll be like, though the possibilities for add-ons are huge.

For an industry that has a lot of people complaining there isn't enough originality, Nintendo is refuting that statement. I haven't used it, but having read a number of impressions and demos at IGN and Gamespot, I really want to try it. Hopefully, developers can use it to its fullest potential.

Big McLargehuge
09-20-2005, 01:05 AM
Originality is great. I grew up a Sega fanboy and they were the first company really willing to take a chance. Unfortunately they pretty much were a non-factor once arcades died out and the PlayStation kicked the holy bejesus out of the Saturn.... But originality needs to be followed with substance. Nintendo puts out so many original ideas, but how many of them end up being good, or even viable?

This comic pretty much sums up my thoughts on the situation(and the XBox 360 & PS3):
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050919.gif

Rayne*
09-20-2005, 01:11 AM
******* fanboys make me sick. Have you played a Revolution? No. Have you played a PS3? No. Have you played an Xbox 360? No. Your entire opinion, as flawed as it is, is based on what? A picture. You know nothing about any of the consoles, never mind just Nintendo.

Oh, for the record, Final Fantasy is one of the worst game series ever created.

Cerebral
09-20-2005, 01:16 AM
Oh, for the record, Final Fantasy is one of the worst game series ever created.
Wrong.

Big McLargehuge
09-20-2005, 01:16 AM
I hate the Final Fantasy series. Out of all the games I've played in it I've only enjoyed VI and VII.


And opinions are opinions. We're at a hockey message board where we talk about players most of us have never seen in our lives. It's a free board where we can talk about what we want. If you want everything to be uniformed go to a communist message board.

The entire video game industry is made and broken by pre-release hype. It's almost imposisble for anything to come along with no hype, one way or another, to do anything. If you release something that prospective customers are going to pay good money for you better believe we'll have opinions on it. The controller looks ****ing stupid. They say it's revolutionary, I say it's a mix of an old NES controller turned sideways and a CDi controller. It goes both ways. The GameCube controller, when unveiled, looked like the greatest controller ever, while in practice it's pretty damn bad.

Cerebral
09-20-2005, 01:20 AM
I hate the Final Fantasy series. Out of all the games I've played in it I've only enjoyed VI and VII.

Boo, both IV and IX were extremely solid games. Even VIII was pretty good and engaging (outside of the ridiculous junction system). I'm still searching for my next RPG to play, I finally beat Chrono Cross and I'm debating if I should play Final Fantasy II or not (it's absolutely terrible from what I've heard).

Big McLargehuge
09-20-2005, 01:22 AM
I just never could get into IV...damn spoony bards. IX was alright, but nothing real special. I played through it once but couldn't get myself to do it again no matter how much I tried...that and the downfall of Square main characters started here. Zidane was a ****ing midget monkey man who nobody likes.

VIII was ****ing terrible. I'd rather not speak of that game. Ever.



And anytime anyone needs a new RPG to play I am compelled to recommend Grandia or Grandia 2(Dreamcast version only, the PS2 version is glitchy and slow). They're kinda hard to comeby(well, 2 is fairly easy as long as you own a Dreamcast) but they're well worth the trouble. Best battle system ever. The first one is just what RPGs should be, still the most "fun" RPG I've ever played. The second one is much more serious, but it works oh so well. A darker religious-based storyline is one of the best I've ever played. And that battle-system... :bow:

Cerebral
09-20-2005, 01:25 AM
VIII was ****ing terrible. I'd rather not speak of that game. Ever.
VIII is really love or hate. I'm one of the few people that is in the middle - I didn't find the game all that great but it did get better as the story progressed and I found myself having fun once I actually figured out what was going on.

IX wasn't anything special but it was just a fun game to sit down and play. It was a lot more light-hearted than many of the other Final Fantasies and I found it fairly enjoyable.

VI and VII are definitely the pinacle of the franchise though, both are absolutely spectacular games with amazing soundtracks as well.

I've heard a lot about Grandia and I guess I'll have to pick up a copy some time soon. I'm going to have a tough time getting into another game though, I loved playing Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross back-to-back... :yo:

BORAT
09-20-2005, 11:57 AM
When did anything Nintendo has done new in the past 10+ years turn out right? The closest thing they've done to not sucking was the damn rumble pak. I'd probably give them the benefit of the doubt if they've done anything right.


Well lets see... hmm I mean besides the DS Causing Ravages in Japan, Gamecube Games that Nintendo develloped under their own jurisdiction : Mario , Zelda...

something very little people know but the Gamecube, DS and gameboy Advance have made Nintendo the Richest Gaming division ( and they are no subsidiary of Microsoft and Sony ) in the world

They have played their cards so well that they can permit themselves to do whatthey have done :

by the way that controller will permit you to ex : Yield a sword, fish etc.... haven't you noticed the Gyroscopes inside ?

Imagine Swinging a light saber at the screen !

anyways, once again ! Nintendo plays the same cards Toyota does which caters to not a large volume of sales but Quality and PRICE, The Revolution will be the cheapest yet the most advanced of all three consoles :

Funny enough Nintendo is projected to make the least loss of all Console companies comapred to 4 and 3 Billion for Sony and Microsoft :

so just a few facts

Make no mistake it will be a revolution :

It won't sell as much as the PS2 or Xbox, but

Big McLargehuge
09-20-2005, 06:05 PM
Of course Nintendo is going to be the richest gaming division in the world, they're the only true gaming developer. Gaming is just an "and then" component for Sony and Microsoft. That and while Nintendo has two handhelds out destroying the market Sony just put the PSP on the market about 6 months ago and Microsoft has no handheld system. Take the handhelds out of it and Nintendo is a distant third.


Without the GameBoy Nintendo, more than likely, would have gone the way of Sega. Honestly I wish they would. Their gaming systems have never been the most technologically advanced(and in some cases just laughably bad) but they've always been able to compete because of the first party games.

While the Nintendo 64 was stinking up the market, the Virtua Boy just lost the company lots of money, and Nintedo's former ally Sony was taking over the industry a little game named Pokemon came out for the GameBoy and...well, let's just say any financial worry Nintendo has had could simply be quelled by a new release of a Pokemon game adding a flashy new box and a few new creatures(everyone remember the Yellow version? Top selling video game for 3 or 4 months straight...despite adding nothing more than Pikachu as a starting character, a new iteration of Pikachu, and a couple minor graphical advances.



Anyways, I'm talking hardware only(only brought up Pokemon to reason why they're still in the hardware business). Nintendo makes great games. No one can argue that. No matter how ****ed up they seem, almost every game with from Nintendo can be guaranteed to at least be good. Though their desire to make everything so unique can be annoying to say the least. It's going on a decade since the last real Mario platformer came out(not counting Sunshine since...that's not ****ing Mario...gah...).

Since Super Mario World launched with the SNES only three Mario platformer games have come out for consoles...and two of them don't really count(World 2 was a Yoshi game and Sunshine...*** get!).

Troy McClure
09-20-2005, 06:29 PM
Anyways, I'm talking hardware only(only brought up Pokemon to reason why they're still in the hardware business). Nintendo makes great games. No one can argue that. No matter how ****ed up they seem, almost every game with from Nintendo can be guaranteed to at least be good. Though their desire to make everything so unique can be annoying to say the least.
Their games are great. Very creative and tons of fun to play. You can have all the technical wonder in the world, but gameplay is all that matters. Take a look at all the great Gamecube games. They wouldn't be any better on a system with better technical specs. A fun game like Super Monkeyball 2 would be fun no matter what system it was on.

It's going on a decade since the last real Mario platformer came out(not counting Sunshine since...that's not ****ing Mario...gah...).
Paper Mario was a very good game. The latest Zelda game was tons of fun. The newest MarioKart was awesome. All three sold a ton as well.

I don't get your ripping of the new controller. The remote thing slips into something that is a standard gamecube style controller only it will still have the motion sensing ability. That alone is a great feat. I love that Nintendo is willing to try new stuff. The X-box offers up nothing new. It's pretty much the same style system we've seen for over ten years now. Change is good. The game world has been way too static lately. If it wasn't for multiplayer online play, the X-Box and PS2 would have nothing over the previous systems but better graphics.

I really like what this might do for first person shooters because I've always hated playing first person shooters on a console. The control is just terrible. It doesn't compare at all to PC play with a mouse and keyboard.

Big McLargehuge
09-20-2005, 06:40 PM
Paper Mario isn't a "real" Mario game, it's an RPG. I'm talking platformers. I don't like Zelda games period(those and Metroid are really the only Nintendo series I don't care for).


As a game developer I love Nintendo. There's a reason I had a Mario avatar for a while. I just hate them as a hardware developer.